View Full Version : Will this cause the prices of HQ staves to fall? I hope so.
Rodin
12-13-2005, 07:59 PM
Bahamut's Staff LV75 DMG55 DELAY366 Rare/Ex
MP +30
Summoning Magic Skill +5
Avatar Perpetuation Cost -3
SMN Staff
Okay...so if a lot of SMNs do this fight, and chose this, that means pretty much an entire class will be selling it's HQ staves once it gets to 75.....So do you think this will cause the prices of HQ staves to fall?
SMNs won't sell HQ light and Dark staves though......they need those >_<
silentsteel
12-13-2005, 08:02 PM
heh, that'd be nice, but its not just the smn that use them, Blm then to use them a lot too for their ele spells.
Rodin
12-13-2005, 08:05 PM
Yes, but you'd think, if 75SMNs got this, they'd be selling their staves...I plan on doing RDM, and having a full HQ staff set when I can afford it, I'm hoping that with the 75 SMNs who have this, there will be a signifigant drop in price.
lionx
12-13-2005, 10:12 PM
Unlikely, when you get full HQ staves, you wanna keep them for another job unless you are dirt poor and cant farm jack. >_<
I don't think so. The perpetuation cost as I heard only lowers the MP cost to summon but doesn't lower the MP consume while the avatars are out right? But the HQ staffs lower both cost of summonning and keeping them out.
After all, you have to complete all CoP to be able to fight bahamut... I say there are more players who can't go fight bahamut than the ones that can. Not to mention RDM BLM PLD BRD that will keep their HQ staffs too, and I don't think anyone who completed CoP will only have 1 job 75. SMN after all is great to have for mission/quest/BC but are not a very popular merit choice, many SMN level either BRD or RDM for merit points.
nanatsu
12-13-2005, 11:26 PM
- perpetuation cost lowers the amount of mp your avatar drains while it is out. It has no effect on the cost it takes to summon an Avatar.
Rones
12-13-2005, 11:33 PM
Don't need CoP complete to fight him. Just need to be in chap4 which is just after beating diablos. Not too hard for most.
Tan'o
12-14-2005, 12:20 AM
Most might keep it for level cap stuff also.
You do need to complete CoP to fight Bahamut. The events take place after you've killed (THE COOKIE MONSTER). Beating him though atm does not give any rewards other than a title and a Whipser of the Wrymking. There is speculation of a second BC, called "The Wrymking Decends" against Bahamut as well as the 4 CoP Wryms (though it'd take more than 18 to kill those 5...)
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all 5 dragon god at once, sheesh. maybe S-E last resort to keep us from summoning bahamut D:
This thing should be able to 1 shot and EM-T mobs at any level if we are able to summon it.
Zaptruder
12-14-2005, 07:59 AM
I don't think so. The perpetuation cost as I heard only lowers the MP cost to summon but doesn't lower the MP consume while the avatars are out right? But the HQ staffs lower both cost of summonning and keeping them out.
By definition:
Perpetuate: To prolong the existence of; cause to be remembered.
I think a good bulk of level 75 SMNs have at least one other mage job at 75, so I would have to say no, this will not lower the cost of HQ staves. What are the other mage jobs that a level 75 SMN might also have at level 70+? WHM, BLM and RDM. Can these job classes make use of HQ staves? Damn straight and in particular the latter two job classes would own a set of elemental staves.
It depends...inv space is not free. You moogle can only hold so much... you have 8 elemental staves vs 1 staff...
well I would keep light staff and dark staff...but others...you can always buy them back later when you need them.
It will depend if the need is great enough.
Blood Red Poet
12-14-2005, 11:39 AM
Bahamut can't be summoned, he doesn't have an avatar 'model' like Diabolos. No one has been able to reach the second battle, nor know its exact stats.
Tan'o
12-14-2005, 02:36 PM
I think a good bulk of level 75 SMNs have at least one other mage job at 75, so I would have to say no, this will not lower the cost of HQ staves. What are the other mage jobs that a level 75 SMN might also have at level 70+? BLM, WHM and RDM. Can these job classes make use of HQ staves? Damn straight and in particular the latter two job classes would own a set of elemental staves.
Exactly! Also, with the way inflation seems to be going, I wouldn't be surpised the people that do sell off pump the price up a few 100k at the same time.
(ps. switch whm and blm. I think you made a typo ^^;)
(ps. switch whm and blm. I think you made a typo ^^;)
Thanks :rofl: Darn it, I didn't see that one while proofing it. :thumbsup:
Bahamut Kaiser
12-15-2005, 06:37 PM
I think alot of the HQ staffs are not used on most other mage jobs, 99% of them only use the one that increases cure potency and the one that increases MP regeneration, the other 1% of tanks get the one that reduces physical damage. Very rarely do you see anyone but Smn using the rest. I'm vague on Blm use of staffs, I haven't heard anything about these boosting elemental attacks for each staff, if that is so then that is 1 other job who has a serious use for them. I don't envision all the other jobs swaping all the elemental staffs for any other reason though.
JeanRC
12-15-2005, 07:43 PM
smn, blm, rdm are those job that use all or most of the staff.
smn use it for the reduce mp use on avatar summon and maybe even their avatar attack.
blm use it for their attacking magic spell according to the spell element. HQ increase damage by +15% compare to +10% on non HQ
rdm too use it for attacking magic spell but also more importantly on enfeeble magic spell like enfeeble spells like paralyze, slow,gravity,bind etc on level pt or hnm.
with HQ staff all this work really well.
As a rdm i usually switch between elemental staff for my enfeeble spells.
If you ask me about the price for the staff, i say its worth every cent of the HQ staff comparing the effect it give then other equipement.
If you cant get a whole set for your smn,blm,rdm at least get some more important one.
Example for smn get HQ wind, dark,ice and maybe earth? not very sure since my smn is only 39+
for blm get HQ ice, thunder and maybe fire or water?forgot to get dark too for sleep make it simple get the most useful one that level up pt need to mb for renkei. i am sure ice is very good and thunder for a lv 75 blm as its the most damage spell when u hit 75.
for rdm u need HQ ice for paralyze and bind, wind for gravity and dont know what i forgot lol. dark for sleep and maybe for blind ? and maybe earth for slow.
this few are the most important one to me for those jobs.Buy it if you can although i cost something like 1.5-3M for each
MNKs and PLDs also use staves. MNKs use Terra and I believe Apollo (Not sure if this affects Chi Blast, but there's +2 to MND there) and PLDs use Terra as well. So it's not just mages. When you think about it, there's demand for those staves and more than likely, your average end game SMN will not just drop his HQ staves for this one either. Rather, they'll just add this new stave to their collection.
Also, if you did enough gobbie bag quests, then you shouldn't need to worry about inventory issues. Inventory issues are a thing of the past, even for NINs now that they can stack stacks of tools together.
there are some superstitious about elemental staffs and crystal synthing too. so some people may still keep their staffs for this.
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