New Jobs And Summon With Xbox360 Release!!! [Archive] - Final Fantasy XI :: Dreams in Vana'diel

michaeldue

06-10-2005, 06:09 AM

Quote: from http://www.the-magicbox.com/.....
"Square Enix revealed new details on the Xbox 360 version of Final Fantasy XI. The draw distance will be twice as far as the PC version; the game will also have new jobs and summons not found in the PC/PS2 version. A beta test of the game will begin as soon as the console is launched."

- HA HA what a lie... It goes against everything SE has ever said before about never excluding people from certain magic spells or jobs. SE would never make a job or summon that could only be obtained or made availible for the XBOX owners. They work towards just the opposite goal, thats why they created Charged items like the Warp Cudgel. So people who have choosed a NO-mag.-type job can still warp if they got the gil for the cudgel.

I'm not saying that there won't be new jobs or summons when the XBOX version is released. Actually I hope there is, but I don't think it will be for XBOX owners only. I think this article is something someone just made up from bits and pieces they've heard from somewhere else.

Mitsurugi

06-10-2005, 06:26 AM

Well, it doesn't confirm the new jobs and summons, but I found this handy piece of information at GameSpot, about future plans the FFXI has.

Hiromichi Tanaka tells Famitsu that he's in the initial stages of developing an unnamed next-generation project, talks Xbox 360 FFXI details.

In an interview published in the latest issue of Famitsu magazine, Final Fantasy XI producer Hiromichi Tanaka disclosed that his development team is currently working on a new massively multiplayer role-playing game for next-generation consoles.

Tanaka declined to comment on whether the MMORPG in development will be a successor to FFXI or a new product. He did confirm that the technical demonstration shown for the Xbox 360 during E3 was one of the experiments his development team had created to see what kind of graphics a next-generation console could achieve.

Tanaka also disclosed that the Xbox 360 edition of FFXI will sport graphics of a quality similar to the currently available PC version of FFXI. However, he added that the development team is seeing if the Xbox 360 can display graphics for about twice the distance than the Windows version.

The game's beta test is slated to begin simultaneously with the launch of the Xbox 360 later this year. Similarly to the Windows beta, the Xbox 360's beta test will be conducted on servers separate from the rest of the FFXI world. One of the main objectives for the Xbox 360 version's beta testing is to see if there are any problems with the game's network environment, since this will be the first time Xbox Live will be allowing a connection from an external system.

This is sort of what Magic Box posted, but it does not say about the new jobs and summons. I believe that was just thrown in for fun, but who knows. Maybe the beta servers will be used to test new content beforehand for the Xbox 360 version. Personally, in order for FFXI to grow as a game, it needs whole new content, rather than the ole new items/modified stats deal. It needs to come into the next-generation of consoles with a bang, and in order for them to do that, they'll need something big. Who knows what will happen.

Kailea

06-10-2005, 07:35 AM

well Magic box just wored it wrong, like they always do, I think they ment.....

"New jobs and Summons will be added in a new expansion, that will be release with the X-box360 version and also will become avalable seperatly for PS2 and PC owners"

but like I said, untill the FFXI website says this...I call BS on it ^.^

Macht

06-10-2005, 08:17 AM

Well I guess Kilea-D didn't bother to read everything on the thread first posted on here discussing this. But aside from Magic Box's horrible wording there is the Gamespot section but also another source that Neighbourtaru had presented to us.

It quotes:

- the 360 version will have a draw distance roughly 2x of the PC version
- when you play the HD version, you'll be blown away
- 360 version beta will start the same time as 360 is released
- PS3 version may happen if/when Sony brings out HDD
- new jobs will play completely differently to existing jobs
- when asked about new summons: "hehe..."
- end of Promathia is likely to be a new area

The source is from JonnyRam which you can find at: Gaming Age (http://forums.gaming-age.com/showthread.php?t=50906)

EDIT:

As far as the statement says "- new jobs will play completely differently to existing jobs" it leaves me to wonder how differently. From the sound of it an Alchemy/Chemist type and Blue Mage sound very feesible as well as possibly a Dancer.

Other then that I saw someone suggesting it would be Gun Mage, but the physics of that is still to similar to something a Red Mage can do that it wouldn't really be that much different then.

As far as Chemist, Blue Mage, Mime, and Dancer those definatly change the style of play were it justifies the meaning of "will play completely differently". Each of those four definatly played differently on every FF game they've been in. And when I mean differently I mean there was completly no relation to the battle systems already in play, it wasn't purely a mana drain, item drain, or edurance of any sorts.

In Chemist they expended various cobination of items to produce different results, the very idea of how they make still feesible on FFXI is possibly were the different gameplay comes in. Then Blue Mage relied on the monsters to learn spells, this again is a complete change with having the learned monsters spells/abilities being temporary. Mime well that should be a no brainer on it. Finally a Dancer on previous FF part of what defined their difference was their effects only lasted while they were in dance once they stopped the effect ends.

EDIT AGAIN:

Also before the idea of Gun Mage continues, the only huge defining difference to it that Ranger doesn't already have is the Blue Bullets. In FF's design that can be rendered just by the form of new bullets, which will beef it up that list more then just having the 4 or 5? bullets possible to use. The Gun Mage though was basically FFX-2's version of the Blue Mage also so they conflict in intrest.

Rai-Jin

06-11-2005, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by michaeldue
Quote: from http://www.the-magicbox.com/.....
"Square Enix revealed new details on the Xbox 360 version of Final Fantasy XI. The draw distance will be twice as far as the PC version; the game will also have new jobs and summons not found in the PC/PS2 version. A beta test of the game will begin as soon as the console is launched."

- HA HA what a lie... It goes against everything SE has ever said before about never excluding people from certain magic spells or jobs. SE would never make a job or summon that could only be obtained or made availible for the XBOX owners. They work towards just the opposite goal, thats why they created Charged items like the Warp Cudgel. So people who have choosed a NO-mag.-type job can still warp if they got the gil for the cudgel.

I'm not saying that there won't be new jobs or summons when the XBOX version is released. Actually I hope there is, but I don't think it will be for XBOX owners only. I think this article is something someone just made up from bits and pieces they've heard from somewhere else.

lol no one said its only for xbox o.O its just they are coming with its release...we all know 1000000% that the only diffrences between the games on diffrent consoles are the graphics and thats it.

the gameplay will NEVER be diffrent on the diffren consoles

Dragon Ghost

06-11-2005, 02:12 PM

Kailea-D likes too dress up like mithra dragoons.

I hope this information is true. Would be fun too level up a diffrent job.

Gekoman

06-12-2005, 04:01 AM

Originally posted by Dragon Ghost
Kailea-D likes too dress up like mithra dragoons.

I hope this information is true. Would be fun too level up a diffrent job.

I think your life revolves around bashing Dragoons especially Kailea-D.

I think your a shallow minded twat :thumbsup:

I believe also that the interview is most likely false, they may as well tweak the current jobs instead of making new ones.

Dragon Ghost

06-12-2005, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Gekoman
I think your life revolves around bashing Dragoons especially Kailea-D.

I think your a shallow minded twat :thumbsup:

I believe your a dragoon and no one likes you! :thumbsup:

Gekoman

06-12-2005, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Dragon Ghost
I believe your a dragoon and no one likes you! :thumbsup:

It looks like not many moderators like you much either judging from your warning list ;)

Dragon Ghost

06-12-2005, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Gekoman
It looks like not many moderators like you much either judging from your warning list ;)

Its looks like not many partys like you judging by your LV ;)

sudo

06-12-2005, 02:37 PM

how is it that an xbox 360 will be able to draw distance 2x that of my pc?

I spend over $1k on individual parts alone (grafix card cost me 200 dollars by itself) to make myself a kick ass gaming machine. (just the box, not counting monitor or sound system)

I seriously doubt the xbox 360 can match my computer's specs. Hell, I run doom 3 on high resolution and still clock in 50+fps.

Just what do they mean by 2x draw distance of a pc? I always thought that the draw distance was a factor of how much bandwidth I'm getting for what to draw and a combination of how much ram and grafix card and processor can handle.

So unless they somehow take like $700 loss and sell the xbox 360 for$300 when the pc has parts that alone that sell for that price.

I simply find this statement to be very "magical" on the part of magic xbox. How can they claim to be able to draw farther than a high end gaming PC for a priced to buy colsole system?

Jei

06-12-2005, 03:06 PM

Wonder if S-E will break their concept this time about bringing multi platform together. From the sentence "not found in the PC/PS2 version" it is possible too that they are talking about the next expanstion for all platform which isn't released on anything yet so it's still true about not found on PC/PS2.

kuu

06-12-2005, 05:22 PM

I spend over $1k on individual parts alone (grafix card cost me 200 dollars by itself) to make myself a kick ass gaming machine. (just the box, not counting monitor or sound system)

You obviously haven't analyzed the specs on the next generation consoles.

Computers aren't game consoles, they play games, but not made for games.

xbox360 and PS3, and the still mysterious revolution are specialized for game consoles.

Xbox360 on game performance should beat any consumer based PCs today, much less your 1k computer.

The PS3 GPU itself is about as powerful as 2 of Nividia's top of the line PC cards itself, stated by Nividia's own Prez.

And even if you have yourself a top of the line AMD, The Xbox360 has a 3 core IBM 3gig processor, while the Cell for PS3 has a supposely even more powerful 8 core 3.2gig.

You can't really beat that for a good 2 years. Only reason they're so cheap because they're mass producting it.

Dux

06-16-2005, 04:51 AM

Uber Console X and its 50 gigamegabustabit capability won't make items drop any easier, or make a bad player any better just because when they make their party wipe they can see it in more detail.

SE will definatly never ever create an Xbox only class or set of classes so thats meaningless too.

Perhaps the the $Box2 beta will have a new class that will not be avialable on the PC/PS2 version until it comes out officially but hey, who cares. You really gonna buy another copy of the game (which you may not even be able to use your official POL ID on anyway) just to get an unneeded class a few months before anyone else?

Jonnyram

06-19-2005, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Jei
Wonder if S-E will break their concept this time about bringing multi platform together. From the sentence "not found in the PC/PS2 version" it is possible too that they are talking about the next expanstion for all platform which isn't released on anything yet so it's still true about not found on PC/PS2. This is not going to happen. For the foreseeable future, everything will be multi-platform. If it comes out on the PS3, they might start tweaking the graphics a bit for the 360/PS3/PC versions and leave the PS2 behind in that sense, but the content will be multi-platform for the foreseeable future.

I think the 360 version will have improved draw-distance because they'll actually bother to optimize the code. The PC version is ridiculously unoptimized, but since they have to recode things for the 360 anyway, they're probably making little improvements where they can.

asphoRe

06-19-2005, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Jonnyram
I think the 360 version will have improved draw-distance because they'll actually bother to optimize the code. The PC version is ridiculously unoptimized, but since they have to recode things for the 360 anyway, they're probably making little improvements where they can.

Agreed, I only hope that the FFXI Config itself allows configuring of more graphical options, like AA and AF(Anisotropic Filtering). Many ATI card users have to revert to very old catalyst drivers just to get the AF to work. I can sympathize with that because the game looks way too grainy without AF.

Killerclown

07-05-2005, 12:39 PM

wont believe it until i see it

Kalledon

07-06-2005, 05:08 AM

I saw several interviews during E-3 coverage that stated their would be an expansion coming out AFTER the Xbox 360 release. This expansion would include new jobs and they hinted that something was in the works for Summoners but they did not say if it was just more blood pacts or actual new summons (maybe they'll give spirits an overhaul.)

kuu

07-06-2005, 06:05 AM

I believe also that the interview is most likely false, they may as well tweak the current jobs instead of making new ones.

With things like this it's never false, as internally there will always have these things in development.

The real problem is if they every make it to the public. Things get push back, and things get scrapped, reused, etc.

It is still pretty far away, so development team and the management teams will put their heads together serveral times on the topic. We'll Get a clearer picture as we get nearer to xbox360 launch.

Usually things get revealed, like Sea, within about a month before launch. New classess might be a bit faster as those take much more beta time.

The fact that their mumbling about it means at least it's pass the concept stage. This means that there is probably solid ideas inside S-E and how to go about it.

Kalledon

07-06-2005, 08:47 AM

With things like this it's never false, as internally there will always have these things in development.

The real problem is if they every make it to the public. Things get push back, and things get scrapped, reused, etc.

It is still pretty far away, so development team and the management teams will put their heads together serveral times on the topic. We'll Get a clearer picture as we get nearer to xbox360 launch.

Usually things get revealed, like Sea, within about a month before launch. New classess might be a bit faster as those take much more beta time.

The fact that their mumbling about it means at least it's pass the concept stage. This means that there is probably solid ideas inside S-E and how to go about it.

Clearly we need to sneak someone in and get the inside scoop. =P

:+:Pal[A]diN:+:

07-06-2005, 10:15 AM

IF it is true, new jobs? cool. new summon? cool. But it probably wont be 360- only.

pearlsea

08-15-2005, 09:44 PM

The added content wont be 360 only, im pretty sure, id be stupid for them to make it 360 only unless microsoft will pay them to make the new features 360 only. and the point about making the graphics better on the 360, why cant they redo the code or what ever to improve it on the PC, i score 4600 on the bench3 and thats with a cheap $100 video card (but i have a AMD 64 3500+, and a GB of ram), so i can play the game with the settings maxed out, no there is no reason to be able to revamp the graphics if there going to do it for the 360 anyways.

Enialas

08-16-2005, 02:32 PM

if they do create a new class for XBox's beta test it'll be on Atomos server only. after the test, if it keeps in game, they'll upload it into the main system. xbox might have been the first to try it out, but if you get that expansion you'll be able to. to have a job on the main servers that only xbox users can play in a multiplatform game will be the biggest mistake SE will make, even if they decide only having xbox users playing is the direction they want to head.

so if they get to test "job x" before I get to, so what! I still haven't played PLD, WAR, MNK, BST, SAM, NIN, DRG, and DRK! When I started playing, CoP was already released and the only jobs available that I cared to play were RDM & SMN. Knowing this, why did I pick Elvaan instead of Taru? Elvaans look cooler, and Tarus are so cute they must be EVIL! Besides, comming from a D&D background I had some misconceptions of Elvaans.

I'm sure those who have been playing since japanese beta and have every job at 75 would be jealous, or at least defeated Maat for every job, but knowing somethings comming and you don't have to blow your gil to have it changed many times in a month, you should be happy noobs comming in are going to have thier hard earned gil wasted and lost when they transfer to a real server. jokes on them!

silentsteel

08-26-2005, 02:41 PM

YAY EVILNESS! *cough* who says we're evil? just cute ^o^.

Caspian

08-26-2005, 06:08 PM

Here's what I'm wondering: Will the expansion be released for ps2 and pc when it becomes available for 360 beta? Or will it only be available for ps2 and pc when the beta for 360 is over?

TheGrandMom

08-26-2005, 09:13 PM

Well I look at it like this, if the 360 is released late Oct or early Nov, shortly after that the beta will start. They said you'll be able to register for the FFXI after your purchase of the 360. So probably an online registration via Live. Now the beta should last about 2 months at least. So let's say the beta starts mid Nov and lasts till mid Jan., then they would have to compile stuff and fix things. Probably give it an in house test and then finalize and roll it off the assembly line. So around Marchish? for retail release? That sound about right?

But I don't think that it will be put out for the PS2. I could be wrong but I hope I'm not. The PS2 had its day and now its holding back its brethren. Time to move on to hopefully the PS3.

Pai Pai Master

08-26-2005, 09:45 PM

They won't cut off updates to the Playstation 2 version. Just because its sales weren't as spectacular as the PC version in North America does not mean the same for Japan.

Even so, it's not like Square Enix can give the excuse of limited capabilities on the PS2. If anything, the Xbox360 is even more limited when it comes to expanding Final Fantasy XI because of its measly 20 GB hard drive. How does Square expect to extend the life of FFXI by bringing it to the X360 when the hard drive will be halfway full once you're done installing it?

Enialas

08-27-2005, 05:32 AM

TheGrandMom

08-27-2005, 09:41 AM

Just because the initial release hd is limited in size doesn't mean that another version can't be made. The smaller hd is a smaller loss if it doesn't go over well. If its popular, then a bigger hd could be on the horizon.

As far as the PS2 not being supported anymore, the JP's love to have the newest and brightest tech. I'm sure that Sony is counting on this with the release of the PS3. In turn, if the sales are big and they release a hd for the PS3, it's possible that SE will discontinue support for the PS2. While they may have a portion of the FFXI market, its not the majority.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if there was a "back door" agreement with MS. They release FFXI on the 360 to infuse new blood into FFXI and SE helps boosts the 360's sales with a promise of halting support for the PS2 eventually. MS loves to corner the market so this wouldn't surprise me one bit. Of course, everything we think is just conjecture but it does seem likely that PS2 support will be discontinued somewhere down the line.

Pai Pai Master

08-27-2005, 05:00 PM

Community: Are you still going to support Final Fantasy XI on the PS2?
Yasu Kurosawa: Yes. I can't talk about the Sony's plans to support their own hardware, but I know that we will continue to support the software.

You forget that Tanaka himself said that his own plan for FFXI involves getting it on as many platforms as possible, thus greatly strengthening the possibilities of success. It would mean hell for Square Enix to discontinue support for the PS2 version, especially with the clouded future of next-gen gaming in Japan.

TheGrandMom

08-27-2005, 08:24 PM

Clouded future? The PS3's will sell like hotcakes. I don't think that is clouded in any way.

Talk is cheap. I have heard many times "Oh we are going to do...." "Yes, we'll still....." and in the end they don't. In the end its all about what is better for them. If the PS2 is holding back more development because of its limited capabilities, you can guarentee that support will end........when is the question.

Caspian

08-27-2005, 09:34 PM

I agree with grandmom on the hd question. I can easily see MS coming out with a new 80gig hd a few months later, charge another 100 bucks or something. Ppl get pissed off about stuff like this, but they know they'll end up buying it anyway.

LadyPeorth

08-28-2005, 01:27 AM

The more systems that can play at once, the more people will play. More people playing means more revenues. Alot of people were unhappy when they learned PSOs could not be played together.

Discontinuing support after such a short time would make people pretty resentful (like forcing people to buy expansion packs right away or saying you must buy this to play it now). People don't like to be forced and as much fun as FFXI is, if the price tag for the next month is $315 instead of $15...even if only a one time charge, you will see a customer drop, before the PS3 users get into it.

TheGrandMom

08-28-2005, 05:41 AM

I can easily see MS coming out with a new 80gig hd a few months later, charge another 100 bucks or something. Ppl get pissed off about stuff like this, but they know they'll end up buying it anyway.

LOL Exactly. It's about the $$ and not about making people happy. If they know it will succeed then they will do it.

Same goes for discontinuing support for the PS2. After the PS3 is released, many of the people with PS2's will eventually buy one. Now we know that the hd is not coming out when the system is released, so the stragglers that didn't buy it right away have time to still decide. Eventually the hd will come out and eventually FFXI will come out for the PS3. Since they have stopped hdd support for the PS2 already, there won't be additional people starting up. (Ever think why they stopped? Lack of sales and the release of the PS3 are the most likely reasons. Only thing that baffles me is that I think SE was counting on Sony releasing the system with a hd or a hd at the same time. Sony has now nixed that and this has probably thrown a wrench into SE's outlook.) So no new PS2'ers and many of them buying a new system within the first 6-8 months.... This certainly dwindles the amount of people playing on the PS2. Also more people with a different console or no console could be buying a PS3 and you could hook them to FFXI. The draw of better graphics and richer content helps too. The outlook is for the PS2 crowd to diminish, they are already seeing to that. This is exactly what they want so when they discontinue support, it won't hit them that hard and they will rebound. So all in all, the PS2 is going to be gone. Like I said before the question is when.

As far as supporting the PS2, I think they will for a while. Definately with downloadable updates and disc releases remains to be seen. It's already difficult to find the PS2 CoP version since they have lower production or even halted production on it. (Easy way to get around this is to buy the CoP PC version and then find someone with the PS2 version and use their discs with the cd key from the PC version.) My guess is they will support the PS2 version for no more than 2 more years. Certainly long enough for the PS2 fanbase to dwindle significantly and then they can easily nix it.

rezz00

11-02-2005, 03:44 AM

k, I havent read the hole thread... too much text lol

Haven't you heard of the new Expansion "Treasures of Aht Urhgan" that will bre released at the same time, i guess, as the new xbox. There will be a new job, Blue Mage and there also is a video showing a blue mage using that fire breath from the lizards. Just check FFXI hompage^^

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/multimedia/wind/index.html

neighbortaru

11-02-2005, 07:14 AM

Macht

11-02-2005, 07:39 AM

rezz00, I know you are new here, but please read the thread (specifically the date) before you post. this is an old post and bumping it to say something everyone already knows by now makes you look, well, silly ;)

Lol, curse you neighbortaru!

Every post i find I want to make statment on like that I find you've already done it :angry:

Anyway, like neighbortaru stated you should of checked the DATE! Also I'm sure there was like 4 or 5 posts that are newer with the info about "Treasures of Aht Urhgan".