Cop end very soon !

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

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How many more chapters do you have planned for the current expansion Chains of Promethia?

FFXI Team:

While we can't give you an exact number, we can say that we are approaching the end. In the near future with the coming patches you will start to see that we are almost there.
==============================================

From latest interview with FFXI team


I wish no more gay patchs
Give us full patch finish the full story :dead:

http://ffxi.stratics.com/content/editorials/zigrah/mayinterview.php

[Kailea]

I wish no more gay patchs
Give us full patch finish the full story

Good lord you and others I know need to learn patience, that is what half this game is anyway. Wait and you shall be rewaroded.

If they released the whole thing at once, then peopel would rush through it and then complain that there was no added content for like 4-6 months

[Vinen]

Originally posted by Kailea-D
Good lord you and others I know need to learn patience, that is what half this game is anyway. Wait and you shall be rewaroded.

If they released the whole thing at once, then peopel would rush through it and then complain that there was no added content for like 4-6 months

I prefer to complain about incomplete content when I purchase a expansion! CoP has been out 9? months now and its still not complete! Thats a worse record then SoE! with Everquest Expansions. Where is the endgame content from CoP again...(other then wyrm's but to be honest, outside of a few classes, they dont drop anything worthwhile)

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by Kailea-D
Good lord you and others I know need to learn patience, that is what half this game is anyway. Wait and you shall be rewaroded.

If they released the whole thing at once, then peopel would rush through it and then complain that there was no added content for like 4-6 months

We waited more than enough freakin 9 months or whatever
reward new area or so not really what i want
my reward is complated COP =p cuz it was really pain to complate all this missions just want to finish them (64 mission complate so far..) i miss zilart so simple ;; 4/5/6/8/12/14/16 and you cant call 12 mission can be soloable and DM give you zm14 clear =p so only 5 missions left and all freakin easy and overkill with lv75

already 1 of my set pt quit the game im worried if others quit or so lol who knows XD

[Frumply]

Taking a year to pan out the missions is fine, that's their way to hope that people dont quit after finishing up the missions.

I do have a beef with this in terms of CoP, however, as they stated in magazines prior to release that the missions will be playable to the end from the get go.

[Blood Red Poet]

I don't think this really needed its own thread...

And there is high-level content in CoP. Some of those new BCNMs, ENMs, and Ouryu Cometh BCNM have yet to be beaten on some servers(or little more than once). Plus it has content for all levels, I don't understand whats the difference outside everyone gets to have fun outside one group.

[Manatra]

Originally posted by Kailea-D
Good lord you and others I know need to learn patience, that is what half this game is anyway. Wait and you shall be rewaroded.

If they released the whole thing at once, then peopel would rush through it and then complain that there was no added content for like 4-6 months

I buy an expansion pack to get an expansion to the game, not next years compilation of patches.

[Yashin]

Originally posted by Kailea-D
Good lord you and others I know need to learn patience, that is what half this game is anyway. Wait and you shall be rewaroded.

If they released the whole thing at once, then peopel would rush through it and then complain that there was no added content for like 4-6 months

I know right people? I mean CoP will prolly be finished by the time he gets a party...

[Blood Red Poet]

I buy an expansion pack to get an expansion to the game, not next years compilation of patches.

Well thats how this game works. Wanna quit?

[Vilurum]

Zilart expansion was handed out bit by bit, exactly the same way. If you neglected the precedent (perhaps by not paying attention, as Zilart was complete by the time most of us NA players were high enough to do the endgame stuff with it), you only have yourself to blame.

Don't complain that your expectations of the expansion weren't fulfilled, when your expectations go against what had already been established with the previous expansion. Unreasonable expectations do, in general, tend to go unfulfilled, get over it. :P

Admittedly, Zilart's story didn't take as long to be finished. Also admittedly, Zilart's story is also laughably short and simple compared to CoP's story too, and ditto for the challenges of the fights. Remember to have some perspective.

[Ziguld]

Well thats how this game works. Wanna quit?
Well thats a great outlook on things. Instead of trying to make the game better lets be glad it has some glaring flaws. :rolleyes:

[TheGrandMom]

Oh for pete's sake, every MMO has flaws. Some large, some small but they are there. If its a flaw that ruins the game experience for you then the only logical thing to do is find another to play.

As has been said, this is the same way they've been doing it all along and will continue to do it. To most people its not a "glaring flaw", it just is what it is. Some people will whine and others will practice anxious patience.

So if they release it all at once and people dedicate themselves to being some of the first people to finish, what then? I imagine they'll come to forums and whine about how it was too short or too easy and now they want more. So now you've just disappointed them.

If they do just what they are doing, then they have people come and say they want it all NOW! Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Either way someone ends up disappointed.

[Blood Red Poet]

glaring flaws.

Its not a flaw, it is how the game is built.

[LadyPeorth]

CoP 2-3...still...hafta kill the Minotaur and finally get the hell outta the capped level 40 areas =\

[Pai Pai Master]

Originally posted by Vilurum
Zilart expansion was handed out bit by bit, exactly the same way. If you neglected the precedent (perhaps by not paying attention, as Zilart was complete by the time most of us NA players were high enough to do the endgame stuff with it), you only have yourself to blame.


I agree, but a little thing to point out, Zilart was nowhere near complete when Americans got the game. As I recall, my friends and I were enjoying the final Zilart missions which were recently released when American beta ended and the game was launched stateside. The Zilart expansion continued to be patched out with the addition of Dynamis and Ballista.

CoP has and will be done the same way as Zilart. The first 5-8 months are spent releasing mission content and gameplay fixes, and the last 8 and so forth months will most likely be spent releasing new additions to gameplay, I.E. completely new endgame content in the vein of Dynamis, and possibly a new Conflict system.

I hate to say it, but you don't have much room to complain about CoP's release when it comes to so called "incomplete expansions" if you've been playing since before CoP was released or even announced. If you've been OK with paying the monthly fees for the game, you should at least make the committment to understand how things are done around here.

I'll give you something good to look forward to if you still haven't been able to put aside the fact that the game is expanded that way. Chains of Promathia is 2 gigs large. That's an insanely massive expansion. So, something big must be on its way.

[Feenicks]

Originally posted by LadyPeorth
CoP 2-3...still...hafta kill the Minotaur and finally get the hell outta the capped level 40 areas =\
You're going to be disappointed when you're finished in Phomiuna and head on to Riverne Site #A01.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

You guys who think we complain you dont get the point

COP missions so freakin long+hard people just want to finish them and dont compare zilart missions with cop even if zilart was released with many patchs its so freakin easy and only few missions while cop 64 mission complate so far and still not done god ><

[TheGrandMom]

Originally posted by l)@RK-l)EVIL
You guys who think we complain you dont get the point

COP missions so freakin long+hard people just want to finish them and dont compare zilart missions with cop even if zilart was released with many patchs its so freakin easy and only few missions while cop 64 mission complate so far and still not done god ><

LOL!! This is a bad thing? Hard means you'll have to take your time to do them. Taking your time means not whizzing through them and thinking WTF (i.e. Zilart). Isn't that the entire point? To keep you entertained and coming back for more?

[Blood Red Poet]

There is no MMORPG quite like FFXI, with its deep plot and themes... and its cutscenes.

CoP takes that and makes it ten times greater. Amazing plot, cutscenes, and very interesting challenges. It is also very long... that is not a bad thing.

[Pounce]

Just playing devil's advocate, but you could also argue the exact opposite.

FFXI is also somewhat unique in that it almost totally lacks a dynamic player-driven story (unless you count HNMLS drama).

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

I dont care if you think i have point or not

But i know my set pt and many other set pts at my server want just to finish them if you didnt complate all this missions you have no right to talk and make comments about us ww

and stop talking about how huge cop is and all this new hnm and so..NO one give it a shit we talking about the cop missions here not other things

[Blood Red Poet]

I have seen you countless times complain about the lackage of sky2... >.>;.

The CoP missions are likely to be completed in the next two updates and afterwards they will be adding a lot of high level content, so says a recent interview. I don't think whinning is going to speed up the process. "ww"

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by Blood Red Poet
I have seen you countless times complain about the lackage of sky2... >.>;.

The CoP missions are likely to be completed in the next two updates and afterwards they will be adding a lot of high level content, so says a recent interview. I don't think whinning is going to speed up the process. "ww"

I Didnt and never wil if i really complain about something it was about SE how they release missions on that way not cop itself

And trying to be ass and telling me winning wont speed progress doesnt make you wise this topic wasnt about winning or anything like this im just happy that they will release rest of missions very soon so just go complate your nation mission and get rank 2 before you talk about cop missions from your way of talk you know nothing abou them

[Kafeen]

Originally posted by l)@RK-l)EVIL
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How many more chapters do you have planned for the current expansion Chains of Promethia?

FFXI Team:

While we can't give you an exact number, we can say that we are approaching the end. In the near future with the coming patches you will start to see that we are almost there.
==============================================

From latest interview with FFXI team


I wish no more gay patchs
Give us full patch finish the full story :dead:

http://ffxi.stratics.com/content/editorials/zigrah/mayinterview.php

They could give you the full story in one go, but then you'd have a year to wait with no more new content to keep you entertained until the next expansion. It takes time to make new expansion packs.

[TheGrandMom]

Originally posted by Kafeen
They could give you the full story in one go, but then you'd have a year to wait with no more new content to keep you entertained until the next expansion. It takes time to make new expansion packs.

Exactly they are doing it in a logical way so that it keeps people entertained. A MMO is about entertainment and people that don't have anything to look forward to quit. Less $$ in their pocket.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by Kafeen
They could give you the full story in one go, but then you'd have a year to wait with no more new content to keep you entertained until the next expansion. It takes time to make new expansion packs.

And thats the reason why like 95% of my server dont even bother with cop missions

Most ppl will only do them if there is new gods or complated missions to go do them

unless SE only think of the like 5% of ppl who think of doin the missions if its not complate -___- and those 5% like 90% of them dont like SE way of giving the missions so slow orz

[tnt118]

Originally posted by l)@RK-l)EVIL
And thats the reason why like 95% of my server dont even bother with cop missions

Most ppl will only do them if there is new gods or complated missions to go do them

unless SE only think of the like 5% of ppl who think of doin the missions if its not complate -___- and those 5% like 90% of them dont like SE way of giving the missions so slow orz

Man, I'm really glad not to be on your server then.

I can't wait to see the whining and crying about how long and hard the missions are when people finally do decide they are worthwhile, and then it takes them a month or more to do them all ... instead of getting them done slowly over the course of several months.

[Blood Red Poet]

Though I am not done with CoP... I am very close, just before sea access, so please don't bring up that point, and only have few quests(not counting AFs, WSes, and Black Belt... I plan to do all those later) away from completing the entire list. I am also 75, don't let the avatar fool you, ask anyone in my server thats what I am in all the time outside missions, exp partys, and HNMs.

I don't know about your server, but in Midgardsormr over 40% of the server has at least Tav's access and another 15% is on Chapter 3 or higher.

"wwwwwww"

[Vilurum]

Speak for yourself about wanting to finish them. I enjoy *doing* them.

I too would like it if S-E added a lot of missions in each update ... not so that the story would be *finished* sooner, but so there would be that many more missions to *do*, and that much more story to see, in the process. I don't want the story to be finished, I'm enjoying it way too much to want to see it come to an end.

You and your static may be concerned about "completion" and "rewards". I am not. I know a good half my static, as well, is at least as much into it for the ongoing fascinating story as for any practical benefits.

If most people don't want to bother with it until they can be "rewarded" ... sucks to be them, they're missing out on a challenge and a good story, *and* if there ever do come "rewards", they'll be a wee bit behind (to the tune of a few months, after scheduling hassles, for most people) when it comes to getting access to them.

But other than academically I'm frankly not concerned with what you or other people want from the missions, only with what *I* want from the missions, and what my static companions want from the missions (as I do depend on their motivation to help me make progress too, after all). I assume you similarly don't care in the slightest about what I want from the missions, only what you want.

And again, let me repeat ... you may *want* the missions to be bang, over, done, moving on ...

But if you actually *expect* that, you're a fool. Because that's not how it was done with rank missions, and that's not how it was done with Zilart missions, so why on earth you would expect it to be done like that for CoP missions is beyond even my grasp of illogical reasoning (and I consider myself pretty good at thinking outside the logical box). Doesn't the concept of "precedent" have the slightest meaning to you?

[Kafeen]

Originally posted by Vilurum
But if you actually *expect* that, you're a fool. Because that's not how it was done with rank missions, and that's not how it was done with Zilart missions, so why on earth you would expect it to be done like that for CoP missions is beyond even my grasp of illogical reasoning (and I consider myself pretty good at thinking outside the logical box). Doesn't the concept of "precedent" have the slightest meaning to you? Not just the Zilart missions. Nothing in the game has been done like that. Level caps have been inceased, original missions were added, new quests, equipment and items have been added. MMORPG's all work like, new content gets added to them over time.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

vilyrm dont put your words inside my mouth same go with blood red

i never said the missions is hard! plz finish them so hard omg and your the only fools and like what i said before no one is freaking whinning and cring cuz the missions is long or hard cuz they not hard skill>missions its just im happy i can see THE COMPLATED STORY SOON is that bad?
if your server 40% got tav acces that doesnt mean shit here maybe 80% got that alreaady of the high lv players you know only need 1 missin clear to get that area? we talking about the ppl who complated the 64 missions here not chapter 3...

and i dont want the missions to be over cuz they "hard" or "long" i never said that i just want to know the full story cuz after 9 months you start to forget many parts of the story

and Vilurum plz plz plz stop your shit... no one ever do this missions and dont **enjoy them* and dont speak about me or my set thats we doin them for *reward* only i started the missions and i know there is no real reward than story and what i said at old topic thats most other ppl i asked! said why bother with cop when there is no real reward other than story so i said again stop puting your words inside my mouth

[TheGrandMom]

Originally posted by l)@RK-l)EVIL
vilyrm dont put your words inside my mouth same go with blood red

i never said the missions is hard! plz finish them so hard omg and your the only fools and like what i said before no one is freaking whinning and cring cuz the missions is long or hard cuz they not hard skill>missions its just im happy i can see THE COMPLATED STORY SOON is that bad?
if your server 40% got tav acces that doesnt mean shit here maybe 80% got that alreaady of the high lv players you know only need 1 missin clear to get that area? we talking about the ppl who complated the 64 missions here not chapter 3...

and i dont want the missions to be over cuz they "hard" or "long" i never said that i just want to know the full story cuz after 9 months you start to forget many parts of the story

and Vilurum plz plz plz stop your shit... no one ever do this missions and dont **enjoy them* and dont speak about me or my set thats we doin them for *reward* only i started the missions and i know there is no real reward than story and what i said at old topic thats most other ppl i asked! said why bother with cop when there is no real reward other than story so i said again stop puting your words inside my mouth

Everyone is different. Everyone does things for different reasons. The difference here is that some people have the patience to want to wait for more missions and some have less patience. Some like the way SE releases things in smaller chunks and some do not. You play your way, others will play their way.

But one question I have to ask. What does this mean exactly?

Originally posted by l)@RK-l)EVIL
vilyrm dont put your words inside my mouth same go with blood red

[tnt118]

and Vilurum plz plz plz stop your shit... no one ever do this missions and dont **enjoy them* and dont speak about me or my set thats we doin them for *reward* only i started the missions and i know there is no real reward than story and what i said at old topic thats most other ppl i asked! said why bother with cop when there is no real reward other than story so i said again stop puting your words inside my mouth

You complain about people putting words in your mouth.. and then pretend to know the mind of the entire FFXI community? Nice try, but I think not. I know this is "only" a message board, but people will take you more seriously if you actually try to use grammar and punctuation .. I had to read that 3 times and I still don't understand what you are trying to say. What you wrote in this post sounds like it came out of the mouth of an 8 year old.

[Balfree]

Quoting above poster for empashis.

I'm not the best example for english is not my main language but atleast i try to make it so my writing doesn't hurt anyone's brain. :angel:

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Your retards... add something useful to the topic or leave

what your saying is true and i dont mind everyone have diffrent view than others and i respect all
but you cant say the current missions right now and the reward is worth it ((for most ppl i know (im not talking about myself here cuz thats not my type) and lss i got i asked most say why even bother yet we wait till there is "something" or complated missions to do

and if you didnt notice yet most of you keep talking about shit in this topic and things i didnt say keep your shit for yourself plz this topic isnt about whinng i dont give it a shit for ppl who did the missions or want to do them or not this topic isnt about this ppl asked me some silly questions so i answered them

i know freakin cop is cool and i know about it more than what most ppl here talking

lets say you play norml ps2 rpg game then you near the final boss then you get msg you gotta wait 4~5 months to fight him orz SE did this many many many times and you keep talking about things of topic this topic about SE saying we finish cop story~ soon thats all so wtf and how this topic turnd into this?
answer = some noobs talking about what they dont know and trying to be smartass and keep changing what the topic is about

[Blood Red Poet]

hi am hi DORKEVIL. Bloo ray puet is so sotuip. I want to have mor CoP missions fo r me to do. Vylimurs shut up you re jus same us as Bloo ray, so shut up.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by tnt118
and then pretend to know the mind of the entire FFXI community? Nice try

I said the ppl at my server every guy got skyII is already known now so yes i know the entire FFXI community at my "server" happy now? and plz keep your shit for yourself no more shit not related to the topic fools like you make the fourms bad if you have something useful to say add it

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by Blood Red Poet
hi am hi DORKEVIL. Bloo ray puet is so sotuip. I want to have mor CoP missions fo r me to do. Vylimurs shut up you re jus same us as Bloo ray, so shut up.

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Example of dumb guy have to nothing useful to say or add

[Blood Red Poet]

I agree, what I said was a great example of someone being useless.

[Vilurum]

If someone would be kind enough to post a readable translation of those arguments for me to respond to, I'd be most appreciative.

[Blood Red Poet]

I wrote it, and I am not sure.

[TheGrandMom]

Originally posted by l)@RK-l)EVIL
Your retards... add something useful to the topic or leave

what your saying is true and i dont mind everyone have diffrent view than others and i respect all

Contradict yourself much? Calling people retards and then saying you "respect all" is totally asinine.


Originally posted by l)@RK-l)EVIL
but you cant say the current missions right now and the reward is worth it ((for most ppl i know (im not talking about myself here cuz thats not my type) and lss i got i asked most say why even bother yet we wait till there is "something" or complated missions to do

Then say something like "For me and many people on my server, including my LS, the current missions right now are not that exciting and worth it." Though I highly doubt you speak for all the people on your server.

Originally posted by l)@RK-l)EVIL
and if you didnt notice yet most of you keep talking about shit in this topic and things i didnt say keep your shit for yourself plz this topic isnt about whinng i dont give it a shit for ppl who did the missions or want to do them or not this topic isnt about this ppl asked me some silly questions so i answered them

Whining: To complain or protest in a childish fashion.

When you complain over and over about something you have completely NO control over, then you are complaining in a childish fashion which equals whining. So, therefore, yes people are whining and others can legitimately call them on it.

The above portion of your post is infact whining and including profanity doesn't really improve your eloquence.

Originally posted by l)@RK-l)EVIL
i know freakin cop is cool and i know about it more than what most ppl here talking

Yes you have stated more than once how "uber" you are than others. Funny thing is, you don't know jack about anyone. This is one of the reasons why people are not respecting you, because you are not respecting them.....even though you say you "respect all".

Originally posted by l)@RK-l)EVIL
lets say you play norml ps2 rpg game then you near the final boss then you get msg you gotta wait 4~5 months to fight him orz SE did this many many many times and you keep talking about things of topic this topic about SE saying we finish cop story~ soon thats all so wtf and how this topic turnd into this?
answer = some noobs talking about what they dont know and trying to be smartass and keep changing what the topic is about

Again, this is asinine. A console game is not the same as a MMO. They are 2 entirely different animals. They do not release partial bits of a game to the public in a one player game. The closest you can come to your example is how a game can be one in a series (i.e. .hack games). The entire series tells a story but the story is so long that the game is put out one at a time.

[Manatra]

/ignores the recent bickering

The thing with CoP and RoZ is the "locking" of these missions artificially inflates the expansions life, because they don't need to actually develop new content, just open another zone that was made a year ago :p

Basically yeah, Blood Red Poet, you've learned to live with it, so have I. But in all honesty, if you had a choice between the "unlocking of missions" and actual, new freshly developed content, I'm sure you'd go for new, freshly developed content over what we currently get.

Basically, if you read this article you might get an idea of what I'm getting at (has foul language sprinkled throughout, but is a funny read):
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/manifesto.html

Essentially, the way that SE is doing its updates is akin to a complaint on that list. Guess what, many of the players have learned to deal with it, but it still doesn't hide the fact that it is a fundamental problem with the game... I'll quote the Slashdot blurb regarding the Gamer's Manifesto:

The top 20 things you always knew were wrong about games, but were afraid to talk about, since you thought that was just the way it was."

Get the angle where I'm coming from?

There is one thing you can't deny though, a very large portion of the population in FFXI is getting rather annoyed with the way SE has been going about their updates~

[Blood Red Poet]

Everyone knows how annoying the download system is. Now imagine you had to download all of the CoP patches at once. People wouldnt be able to play for days and it would take you +15 hours to get it all done on highspeed interent.

[Vilurum]

Well, put it this way. That content takes a lot of time, creativity, effort, people, and money to create. It's fair enough to assume it was already all developed when CoP was released. It's also fair enough to assume it would take, oh, the better part of a year to develop another batch of content of a similar size. So, S-E can do one of the following two things:

- Release the content 100%, when it is finished, and then start developing the new content, and not release any new content for the next year, until *that* is 100%, and continue in that vein.

- Release 50% of the main content. Then a few months later, 20% more. Then another 20%. Then the last 10%. Then let the fully released main content sit around a while and maybe add some side stuff (like Zilart finished its missions, then added gods, Dynamis, Ballista). And be developing the next expansion's content the whole time, so that by the time you run out of things to release, you can start the process again on the next expansion.

It's not rocket science which is the smarter move. Do the first one and you have people blast through it all in a month or two and then spend the next ten months complaining about how the game never adds anything new.

Honestly, the *pace* of the latter one is more suited to the majority of the people playing the game. Things are added about as fast as they can catch up and start taking advantage of them, rather than an overwhelming surge (that some people can take advantage of and most people will just be overwhelmed and not get around to it any faster than if it had been released piecemeal) and then absolutely nothing for a long time (since it had all already been released).

The people who can blast through everything real quick are the *vast* minority. It would involve a *massive* corporate undertaking to invent content fast enough to keep such people happy. So, they quite simply don't. Those players do not contribute a substantial enough part of the game's income to justify such an expense.

It's better to annoy them somewhat (and yes, possibly even risking their quitting the game) by making them have a little bit of patience, than to get your company's finances in the red going uber-gung-ho developing content, just to keep such a small number of people happy.

That is why, although the content is already finished, it is not all available from the get-go. If it were, there would be nothing left to add. Do not underestimate the time, personnel, or money it took to create it in the first place. S-E is not this magical source of game development that can create new content out of thin air and instantly. As I said before ... have some perspective.

[Feenicks]

Exactly - SE has to decide which demographic of their customers they should cater for, and the most sensible one to choose is the largest one. Slowly releasing content over time helps to keep it fresh for everyone involved rather than just dumping everything on the populace at once. The only people who are bothered by this are the people who blitz through an entire CoP update on the day that it's released. How are SE supposed to keep up with these people who probably play more hours of FFXI than the number of hours the developers work on it.

I think I may have said this before somewhere else, but people like Dark Devil (who, and this is my opinion, flood this forum with verbal diarrhoea everytime he posts) will never be satisfied with any release schedule that SE take on. If all content was unlocked right from the beginning, he would have finished the content months ago and be sitting around saying 'Is that it? Hurry up and release more content SE!', for the best part of a year until the next expansion comes out. And then, the process would repeat.

I'm really not into looking down on others over the internet because it just looks ridiculous, in my opinion. But Dark Devil, I really think you need to grow up. It's very difficult for us to take you seriously. It's also difficult for us to understand what you're saying - I think you should take more care and effort in your posts if you want to get your message across clearly.

[Manatra]

Originally posted by Blood Red Poet
Everyone knows how annoying the download system is. Now imagine you had to download all of the CoP patches at once. People wouldnt be able to play for days and it would take you +15 hours to get it all done on highspeed interent.

I'm not referring to the download system...

[Frumply]

Vilurum, I believe your argument would be valid if not for one thing: the flow of content is far too slow. Trickling releases is perfectly fine -- It's a system we're used to seeing in many medias. It is a problem though when, after waiting several months for new content, what's added is some new items that most people don't give two shiznits about and maybe 1 mission part. The addition needs to satisfy the audience yet have them anticipating the next one; in the case of CoP missions, the additions are typically too short to be satisfactory. Sure, they would get flak either way, but if S-E plans to keep mission release speeds this slow, they should just be doing seasonal updates with a larger chunk of the story released at one time. It'll be easier on the pickup players this way as well, since these missions often involve a lot of prep time.

[Icemage]

Speaking as someone who has been on the "cutting edge" of the missions as they've been added, while I do think there is a valid point that most of the CoP storyline thus far has been pretty lackluster as far as rewards for time spent, I don't think the rate of additions is the issue. If it were, everyone would be done with all the current missions, and we all know that isn't true.

I think some of the discontent regarding CoP is that there just doesn't seem to be much tangible reward for completing the missions. Thus far through 8-3, you get:

Access to Promyvions, Tavnazian Safehold, Lufaise Meadows, Misareaux Coast, Phomiuna Aqueducts, Sacrarium, Riverne A & B, Al'Taieu, Grand Palace of Hux'zoi, The Garden of Ruh'met.

1 limited-use 5 charge Ducal Guard's Ring (Teleport-Jeuno).

1 unlimited use(24h recharge) Tavnazian Ring (Teleport-Tavnazian Safehold)

Outpost and AH access to Tavnazian Safehold.

Access to several ENM battlefields (Monarch Linn, Spires of xxx), and the recent addition of the new Ouryu BCNM.

1 new interesting quest in the form of In the Name of Science, which lets you spend inordinate amounts of time to acquire EX items which are mostly of dubious value.

The above all sounds pretty good until you realize just how much time and money you've spent to beat all the missions. The storyline is great, but it's generally one-shot content. I'd like to see S-E give us more of a tangible reason to return to some of these areas (other than a handful of NMs that not many care about).


Icemage

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by Feenicks
will never be satisfied with any release schedule that SE take on. If all content was unlocked right from the beginning, he would have finished the content months ago and be sitting around saying 'Is that it? Hurry up and release more content SE!


So we back to same thing... Did i say im not satisfied With cop? many people here go off topic and talk about me not the topic itself this topic all what its about thats SE will release everything soon so i will see the full story soon thats all
god -_-
yes its more like many empty areas and so but im more than satisfied cuz i like the story very much and its same reason why i do san/win/bas/zilart/cop missions...
like what i said before when i started cop ""i know"" there is nothing other than story so far as a reward some new empty areas you never visit back doesnt mean anything really...

if you see Vilurum last post he say SE dont release full content at once and thats the reason now why people dont even bother with cop they will just wait till there is full content then do them i know many ls at ragnarok i asked them myself why dont do cop and they said its too long+hard for almost nothing to gain from doin them i even asked the most hardcore hnmls at ragnarok they got like 25~ guy who cleared all cop and all wished if they didnt bother with cop... same with many other ppl
And when skyII released i was near the final bc after few hours and i saw everyone who went this far so yes its easy to tell howmany people got skyII at my server i can even count them
cuz i stayed at altaue for like a week killing the mobs for the belts quests so yes everyone go in or out i see them lol but people here dont want to believe anything people who cleared full cop are really really limtid the question is WHY this thing released before like 10months why people dont do them..... there is something wrong and you should know what its by now

and sorry for longpost XD

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until you realize just how much time and money you've spent to beat all the missions. The storyline is great, but it's generally one-shot content. I'd like to see S-E give us more of a tangible reason to return to some of these areas (other than a handful of NMs that not many care about).
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[megax11]

I like to think of it like this.

I have spent odd ammounts of money and time to get where I am in COP with my group (chapter 8-2.) Now doing this has two merits and I'll explain them.

First of all, I like the storyline, it's one of a few reasons I ever chose to play FFXI over any other MMO, or play a MMO period. I used to think MMO weren't for me, however a FF story is a FF story so I have to ride this one out until they release their last EXP pack. On this note also, I like to think of the gradual release of the story as the world growing around you. If you got to Al'Taieu within the first 2 months of COP being released, the story would feel rushed IMO. I like the fact it took 5 months and 2 days for Vana Diel to learn of Al'Taieus existence. It adds to the effect of feeling as if new uncharted areas are being discovered over the course of time, and time that's beyond your control, thus making the world "grow" around you.

Second off, I never let the idea of getting to Al'Taieu as a form of decoration stick to my mind. I know some people who just stopped doing COP once they got to Al'Taieu, as if it were the thing they wanted the most. To say they got access to a really cool area, and barely anyone else does. My group presses on. Our job isn't finished until COP is finished. That there alone, regardless of how long it takes to be released, is reward enough. Beating ROZ is like soloing the rank 2-3 Dragon of each nation, compared to COP. Thirteen missions compared to 50 missions and that's just being on COP 8-2, it's very daunting, and a great ammount of work, but if there's no challenge as a member of my group says, then why even play the game? Just for leveling?

I feel sorry for those who only want Al'Taieu access. Then those are people who wasted their time. To say they saw "sea" before many others isn't as rewarding as completing a hard ass storyline. I'm glad they're releasing COP little bits at a time. Makes things feel realistic and up to scale.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by megax11

Beating ROZ is like soloing the rank 2-3 Dragon of each nation, compared to COP. Thirteen missions compared to 50 missions and that's just being on COP 8-2,

64 mission complated cop so far not 50 XD
/cant wait for next patch =)

[DerekKnight]

Originally posted by l)@RK-l)EVIL
64 mission complated cop so far not 50 XD
/cant wait for next patch =)

Hard to call a lot of COP "missions" when after you speak with a person, the mission log will update with a new "mission." Quite a misnomer.

[megax11]

Well then that makes ROZ even easier Derek.

If you count the small NM Pot you fight on ZM12, there's 7 total missions that deal with fights. Don't count the Pot, and it's 6 missions with fights. If ROZ had no CS and only fights, there woulda been 6-7 missions period and it'd end.

Yea a lot of talking is in order for COP, however a lot of it also takes place within the same sub chapter. However, look at all the fighting you have to do -

COP 1-3: BC Fight, COP 2-3: NM fight, COP 2-5: BC Fight, COP 3-3: 2 NM fights, COP 3-5: BC Fight, COP 4-2: BC Fight, COP 4-3: 2 NM Fights, COP 5-2: BC Fight, COP 5-3: 3 BC Fights, COP 6-2: NM Fight, COP 6-4: BC Fight, COP 7-4: 3 NM Fights, COP 7-5: BC Fight COP 8-1: 3 NM Fights, COP 8-2: NM Fight, COP 8-3: BC Fight

That's a lot of bang for your buck IMO. SE mentioned once that after they finish releasing all of COP's missions, they were gonna release endgame content to later COP zones. Whatever that means I have no clue, but it could be rewarding down the line, for those who don't think the story is reward enough.

[Vilurum]

megax11, you missed a few: CoP 1-2 is one BC fight. CoP 1-3 is two BC fights. CoP 5-1 is one NM fight. CoP 5-2 is three NM fights and one BC fight. CoP 5-3 is one NM fight and three BC fights. (Plus all the ones you already mentioned, and this is not counting some difficult area crawls - 50-cap Pso'Xja, and Hu'Xzoi, come to mind.)

And just to set the record straight on the mission count, it's not even 50 missions actually. Counting cutscene-only missions but *not* counting various section headers (which number a good 15 of the entries on the mission list: the eight chapter titles, The Road Forks, Emerald Waters, Memories of a Maiden, Three Paths, Past Sins, The Pursuit of Paradise, and Where Messengers Gather), there are 47 CoP missions so far.

List follows (if you don't wanna read it, don't, I didn't write anything after it). And yes, the mission names *are* correct for those two things in chapter 3, they are both named Comedy of Errors.

Chapter 1: Ancient Flames Beckon
1. The Rites of Life (1-1)
2. Below the Arks (1-2)
3. The Mothercrystals (1-3)

Chapter 2: The Isle of Forgotten Saints
4. An Invitation West (2-1)
5. The Lost City (2-2)
6. Distant Beliefs (2-3)
7. An Eternal Melody (2-4)
8. Ancient Vows (2-5)

Chapter 3: A Transient Dream
9. The Call of the Wyrmking (3-1)
10. A Vessel Without a Captain (3-2)
11. The Road Forks - Emerald Waters - Vicissitudes (3-3 San d'Oria-1)
12. The Road Forks - Emerald Waters - Descendants of a Line Lost (3-3 San d'Oria-2)
13. The Road Forks - Emerald Waters - Louverance (3-3 San d'Oria-3)
14. The Road Forks - Memories of a Maiden - Comedy of Errors (3-3 Windurst-1)
15. The Road Forks - Memories of a Maiden - Comedy of Errors (3-3 Windurst-2)
16. The Road Forks - Memories of a Maiden - Exit Stage Left (3-3 Windurst-3)
17. Tending Aged Wounds (3-4)
18. Darkness Named (3-5)

Chapter 4: The Cradles of Children Lost
19. Sheltering Doubt (4-1)
20. The Savage (4-2)
21. The Secrets of Worship (4-3)
22. Slanderous Utterings (4-4)

Chapter 5: The Return Home
23. The Enduring Tumult of War (5-1)
24. Desires of Emptiness (5-2)
25. Three Paths - Past Sins - Southern Legend (5-3 Louverance-1)
26. Three Paths - Past Sins - Partners Without Fame (5-3 Louverance-2)
27. Three Paths - Past Sins - A Century of Hardship (5-3 Louverance-3)
28. Three Paths - Past Sins - Departures (5-3 Louverance-4)
29. Three Paths - The Pursuit of Paradise - Spiral (5-3 Tenzen-1)
30. Three Paths - The Pursuit of Paradise - Branded (5-3 Tenzen-2)
31. Three Paths - The Pursuit of Paradise - Pride and Honor (5-3 Tenzen-3)
32. Three Paths - The Pursuit of Paradise - And the Compass Guides (5-3 Tenzen-4)
33. Three Paths - Where Messengers Gather - Entanglement (5-3 Ulmia-1)
34. Three Paths - Where Messengers Gather - Head Wind (5-3 Ulmia-2)
35. Three Paths - Where Messengers Gather - Flames for the Dead (5-3 Ulmia-3)

Chapter 6: Echoes of Time
36. For Whom the Verse is Sung (6-1)
37. A Place to Return (6-2)
38. More Questions than Answers (6-3)
39. One to be Feared (6-4)

Chapter 7: In the Light of the Crystal
40. Chains and Bonds (7-1)
41. Flames in the Darkness (7-2)
42. Fire in the Eyes of Men (7-3)
43. Calm Before the Storm (7-4)
44. The Warrior's Path (7-5)

Chapter 8: Emptiness Bleeds
45. Garden of Antiquity (8-1)
46. A Fate Decided (8-2)
47. When Angels Fall (8-3)

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Also just to clear something for DerekKnight
yes some missions not fight but you need like 3hours just movin from area to another talking to npcs to clear it or get keyitem from area for example who remember the gay mountin? XD

while at zilart you clear missions with same cs no need to do anything for example zilart 1 2 3 7 9 10 13 15 16 [dunno if final bc count as 17 or 16 one of them is cs >.> ] and zm12 shame to call it mission so freakin easy -_-

[tnt118]

while at zilart you clear missions with same cs no need to do anything for example zilart 1 2 3 7 9 10 13 15 16 [dunno if final bc count as 17 or 16 one of them is cs >.> ] and zm12 shame to call it mission so freakin easy -_-

Easy by today's standards, sure. To be fair though, when the mission was released, the level cap was 65 or 70 (I forget which.. I *know* ZM8's origonal level cap was 65, but I don't know if the level cap was raised to 70 before, at the same time, or after ZM12 was put in).

Not trying to start anything, just pointing out that over time as SE allows players to get more powerful, more and more things get easier and easier. I think this is one of the (many) reasons why they took such a heavy-handed approach to level capped areas in the CoP missions.

[megax11]

I know Vil, about the BC fights, I thought though, we were past 50 missions, but I see that isn't true.

On the BC part, I was giving Derek the benefit of the doubt with ROZ. :p

COP is massive though in terms of story content and it isn't even over. IMO I hope that the next EXP pack combines the best elements of ROZ (new jobs, avatars, etc,) along with COP massive story structure. I hope they don't do one or the other, and every other EXP pack is content based with less story, or more story and less content. We can have the best of both worlds can we not? Or at least dream we can. :biggrin:

[Paul]

I can understand why they don't release everything at once because the hard core player would get done in a week or two if it was then probably quit the game cause they already did it all. Instead SE choses to unlock new missions and zones very slowly with each patch every couple months. The stuff was probably already done all the areas and stuff being on the CoP disc and the patchs just unlock them. Its just a way to make some more money most likly

I don't see why so many people are upset and keep saying they get nothing about of doing the CoP stuff. I think your forgetting its a game. Isn't it suppose to be fun doing the missions and progressing the story thats what most games are about. Now I too did all the missions as soon as they come out. I beat the egg bc as soon as it came out and had a lot of fun doing it. But I had good time doing the previous battles and seeing the story. When I bought CoP i set out do the missions as soon as they come avaiable the I think one of the main goals of FFXI is to do missions it gives you a sense of acomplishment for beating them, its like similar to what other offline FF games would offer you. So it requires you to spend in game money to do them but its not really all that much, I didn't find them all that hard besides one bc that shouldn't be a factor in people not doing them.

[safyre]

I think that everyone should realize that the reason we all want a new expansion is because we love this game. We love the game so much that we strive for it to change and become better so that we can keep being interested in it. I want the same thing, but I know that ill have to wait, and because I love playing this game I will.

(P.S.- I have to admit, I really would like some new jobs to go for, but there's hoping for ya i guess.)

Sincerely,
ARSafyre

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by tnt118


still complated zilart like 10% of the current cop which is not done yet ..... >.>;;

And i agree with Paul the games its about the fun and story but most people too bad wont give that a shit when it come to online game XD they just gonna say why bother with cop