How bad has the gil selling got on your server??

[mrmong]

Well recently ive decided to level nin from 37-75, taking a look at the armor i need, jujitsu gi, fuma kyhan, hairpin etc.....price have gone waaaaaaaay up since i first started this game (few months after NA PC release). I am from ramuh server, i think ramuh has a reputation of being a little slower when it comes to server trends, but currently Hairpin is 900k-1M, fuma is 700k, jujitsu gi is 400k, these prices are ridiculous!

So i try my luck with camping these NMs, what do i see? DRG!!!! every where there is either DRG or a THF with a mage or someother PT member, always the same - no linkshell, always anon, always seeming to be mid level 60ish (at least it looks from their gear) lol i even remember camping amemit out of boredom with a bst friend of mine and seeing a pt of 5 DRG and one rdm taking out lizards.

I rarely ever camp the regular NM's, im in a HNMLS and normally only do the 3 big ones, but i even started to see some "gil sellers" (im not really sure if they are but my LS mates say they are) at behemoth................its really getting out of hand.
Im just curious, seeing how ramuh is "slow", to see how bad it is on the other servers, and if they are even dealt with on other servers.

[Gman]

It's pretty bad on every server.

I cant say that most of the major ground NM's are camped yet. I think for the most part (at least on my server) the gil farmers are satisfied with just farming smaller NM, and mobs with nice drops.

Things that are camped non-stop by gil-farmers on my server:

-Mee Degee Punisher (Ochuidos Kote)
-Amemet (Amemet skin)
-Stroper Chyme (Archers Ring)
-Most NM in Davoi (Jujitsu Gi, etc)
-Gobbues in Zi'tah (cuttings and moss)
-Ooze in Beadeaux (Dodge earring)
-Ghelsba outpost and every mine for chopping and mining
(probably more I cant think of atm)

Some have moved on to other harder NM such as Aquarius, and I've heard they camp Serket, roc, and Simurgh too, but I've never seen them there.

Rumors have been rampant that they are trying to get sky, but I cant see them being smart or coordinated enough to get through the Zilaart missions by themselves, let alone beat the sky NM's.

I've noticed more and more groups of high level gil farmers (70+) lately, which means they are probably using purchased accounts for farming the higher tier NM. Although it's bad, I dont think it's as bad as it was 6 months ago.

[divisortheory]

Don't worry, they'll get to Sky. It's only a matter of time. Two of the most notorious Gil selling groups on my server have recently obtained Sky. One of them got a Byakko's Haidate today in fact. Really, it's only a matter of time.

[Illusion91]

Its really is getting out of hand...these A holes will be the reason i leave.....i cant live with it everytime i log on

[DakAttack]

Seraph's gil sellers have lessend in their amount. Kiss sticks to the Valk Emperor now, and I know there's a few other groups as well. Seraph is still screwed by its own players who blame the problems on gil sellers then proceed to undercut and overcharge. The gil sellers don't make as much as they used to anymore and certain don't cause as many problems as gil sellers on other servers. It's all in the players' minds.

[Shiro_Hayate]

I never understood, even with gil sellers, how the hell prices got so inflated and shit. I'm also wondering why Final Fantasy Xi is the only game where gil-selling got so screwed over. I've finally canceled my Final Fantasy XI account, gave everything to link shell and so did my gf. I don't think gil selling with ever get fixed, so Im going to play American games where money selling usually does not exist. It seems like any translated overseas game that becomes huge here (caugh, Lineage 2) gets infested with Chinese gil-sellers (majority of the ones I've met are Chinese, I'm gonna say they're all Chinese =P). Good luck with everyone who stays, just remember..it's a game. Don't get pissed off like I was when I saw prices go fucking high and I was trying to get my gf things.

[Alucath]

Uhm, I have a friend who plays EQ2, and I play WoW occassionally. Gil selling's a big problem, just probably not as big as it is in FFXI. Go to IGE and you'll see- they farm for every game out there.

[Shiro_Hayate]

Originally posted by Alucath
Uhm, I have a friend who plays EQ2, and I play WoW occassionally. Gil selling's a big problem, just probably not as big as it is in FFXI. Go to IGE and you'll see- they farm for every game out there.

It's not a big problem for me in WoW. I played EQ2 but Sony screwed up the economy so I quit. And besides, we can trust Blizzard to ban anyone who they think is a hacker (even if they are not). And as of now, World of Warcraft prices have not sky rocketed, and thanks to the instances, soul bounds, and pvp systems any gil seller that enters the game will get killed and that company would lose profit. This applies at least to PvP servers. Besides, the best items in game are Honor System orienated now. Problem with Final Fantasy XI was that they wanted to make the economy completely controlled and run by players. It was a great idea, everything started out cheap...but look at what we have now.

Unless Blizzard gets stupid and makes everything that's good not "Bind on Pick Up" then the whole game will be screwed. There might be an inflation coming, but there is not a massive influx of Chinese farmers shoving their asses in. And even if they do come in and ruin the game, if they're on my PvP server, I'm gonna have the pleasure of shoving my axe up their ass. If we could do that in Final Fantasy XI, things might be different, I'm sure some people here would dedicate their linkshell to camping gil-sellers and making their lives hell: I sure as hell would.

[Pounce]

One theory I've heard is that FFXI and Lineage2 suffer more from RMT due to the fact that the demand for "uber items" is greater than most other MMORPGs.

MMORPGs I've played extensively include UO, Eve Online, FFXI, and WoW. While RMTs are definitely present in all those games, the only game where I've seen them so blatantly obvious and disruptive is FFXI.

[Rychiar]

Yeah play Lineage 2...a game which is revolved around having to buy adena just to get anywhere in the game. You think FFXI is bad.... Its not anywhere close as bad as L2

[Vinen]

FFXI is flawed in that... many of its best items are droppable (tradeable).

[Gman]

Originally posted by divisortheory
Don't worry, they'll get to Sky. It's only a matter of time. Two of the most notorious Gil selling groups on my server have recently obtained Sky. One of them got a Byakko's Haidate today in fact. Really, it's only a matter of time.

Sounds like they are playing more for fun than profit then. Byakko is no pushover, and takes a good alliance with knowledge and skill to beat him. Does that sound like your average gil-farmer? Most of them are dumb as a brick wall... look what they do for a living :rolleyes:

The Amemet team on my server have some NICE items now. The THF has scorpion harness, the WHM has vermillion. Why would they get such expensive items if their only goal is just to profit as much as possible? They must actually ~enjoy~ playing to an extent.

[kuu]

FFXI is flawed in that... many of its best items are droppable (tradeable).

What are you talking about? many of the best things are rare/ex. I don't see any osodes on sale, even though they are tradable. I don't see a lot of the good things being over priced.

Over priced is usually the middle area where surprise surprise, the biggest userbase are.

Things used to be somewhat overpriced, but now the economy has somewhat adjusted to it by simply moving aways from npc gil. Farming 100k isn't very hard these days.

Making new gil is still an underlying problem I believe since money supply is decreasing. But anyone can make decent AH gil these days.

[Gman]

Originally posted by kuu
What are you talking about? many of the best things are rare/ex. I don't see any osodes on sale, even though they are tradable. I don't see a lot of the good things being over priced.


I agree to an extent. How much would you pay for a Joyeuse if it was able to be put up at AH? I know I would dish out at least 1 million for it. Same with a Moldavite earring, or Unger Boomerang. Some of the truly best items in the game are rare/ex. Unfortunately some aren't. :(

[CarbonFibre]

I saw a group of people who appeared to be gil sellers at Serket camp last night on Midgard. They seemed to have spent a lot on gear (at least some of them), and all were /anon and without a linkpearl except one. I remember them from when I was partying in Boyahda Tree. They were a party of 6, mostly /anon but the ones that weren't were rank 1, all without linkshells. They were exping off of Goobues in the high 60s and seemed to not be too great at the game. At Serket camp, they all had titles of Roc Star, so it's clear they've gotten claims before. Also, I heard they tried to MPK the linkshell that got Serket Tuesday night.

[divisortheory]

Originally posted by Gman
Sounds like they are playing more for fun than profit then. Byakko is no pushover, and takes a good alliance with knowledge and skill to beat him. Does that sound like your average gil-farmer? Most of them are dumb as a brick wall... look what they do for a living :rolleyes:

The Amemet team on my server have some NICE items now. The THF has scorpion harness, the WHM has vermillion. Why would they get such expensive items if their only goal is just to profit as much as possible? They must actually ~enjoy~ playing to an extent.

I don't doubt that they enjoy playing. One of the most notorious gil sellers on my server has both a Thief's Knife and a Kraken Club. His group is actually quite skilled. They don't restrict themselves to the typical gil farmer NMs. The other day I showed up and started killing placeholders for Novv the Whitehearted, and along he comes with his Thief's Knife. You might ask yourself well fi they are really gil sellers why keep 80 million gil worth of items when they could sell it and feed themselves for a month? My guess is that this particular group is not as hard up for cash as the rest. They play for fun and sell gil at the same time. He does go around Jeuno every now and then shouting {Kraken Club} 50,000,000G {Do you need it?} but of course nobody takes him up on the offer.

I think this particular gil selling group is becoming your typical HNM linkshell with one exception. Drops which better their members are kept, otherwise they are sold on the AH and the gil is sold.

[kuu]

Most of the small time gil sellers are your average everday players.

Some extra spending money from gil doesn't mean you can't buy yourself good equips, chat with friends and LS members, and advance your character.

Say the only reason one would RMT is because he's doesn't want to pay the monthly fees. Well $13~ a month is like what? half a mil gil? I don't bother to search ige.

That's like 3days-1week farming out of an entire month of fun.

[Frumply]

In Carbuncle:

A few months ago, gilsellers finally got into the shihei business. the constant 7000~8000/stack prices have fallen to 5500, and have caused undue suffering to woodworkers making some change from said item.

Chocobo digging wasn't all that bad this last winter; with the exception of the one A10'er that always came out at the same time of the day and the weekend where everywhere was dry, even some hotspots like Yuhtangah were empty. I can't say if it's more of the gilsellers at work here, but nowadays things have gotten a little slower, more often.

The Kuftal crew all wear Scorpio harnesses now, and have been sighted camping for simurgh and such. If you think about it, there is nothing wrong with this; playing with better gear means increased efficiency. High-demand/low-supply (relatively speaking) items rarely drop in value, meaning that they are able to raise profits without losing anything in return.

Also, if you think of it another way the gil sales is slow enough that they have the extra cash to afford these things. After all, with the value of G's at a constant nosedive it'd be silly for them to hold back stock if there was demand. Prices may rise again when the x360 version or if any sort of expansion comes out, but most likely only for brief periods.

[Stokes]

KC doesnt sell for 50M on you server >_> It sold for 100M on midguard lol -.-

[kuu]

KC don't sell on my server.

No one sells because hands change so quicky to a rich person who don't need extra gil.

Almost the same as a speed belt. You hear people asking, but no one really sells one, maybe once in a blue moon.

[divisortheory]

Same with KC and SB on Valefor. It's never up on the AH. But, I know that Kraken Club typically chances hands for about 50 million. Speed Belt, I don't know. The market on that is so closed and underground I don't even remember the last time I saw one listed on AH, heard someone shouting to buy one, or heard someone shouting to sell one.

[kuu]

Just goes to show that no matter the mmorpg concept *cough WoW cough* praised, the age old problem remains the same.

All items no matter how you try to change it is situational to supply vs demand.

Sometimes I wish I can pay for for some of the rare/ex stuff then quest for them, or wait 5 months on a HNMLS to pass down.

Heck I wish people would sell the osode already, would of saved me a lot of trouble.

[Shiro_Hayate]

I got a question, how many of you seriously wish you could stab a gil-seller? =P I do I do! I believe Final Fantasy XI is completely hopeless now. Remember when Leaping Boots cost 250k, or even 75k. And when Hairpin cost around the same price? LOOK AT THEM NOW! Is it gonna get better? Hell no! Worst part is people are leaving the game yet the problem is STILL getting worse.

Oh and by the way, money problems do not exist in World of Warcraft because of the way the game was designed. High level items cannot be purchased, they must be dropped by "HNMs". However, HNMs are in Instance dungeons (a special dungeon that only your party has access to, and for every party that enters are new dungeon is created), and there are no fucking 9 day respawns. I really wish Final Fantasy XI would do something like this (not Dynamis, that's too fucking hard to get into, and what about the other 75 levels). I really do miss the way Final Fantasy was when PC release first came out, no random shouts gonig around, Fire Crystals didn't cost 8 damn thousand a stack, and so on. I don't want to leave the game yet, cause I have so many fond memories....but why must others fuck up the game =(

[Blood Red Poet]

I believe Final Fantasy XI is completely hopeless now.

You believe wrong. Gil Sellers only helped inflation, they didn't create it. For someone who mentions end-game problems, shouldn't have at least touched the end-game?

[Vinen]

Originally posted by Blood Red Poet
You believe wrong. Gil Sellers only helped inflation, they didn't create it. For someone who mentions end-game problems, shouldn't have at least touched the end-game?

I didnt bother reading the thread. Actually something I agree with you for once BRP.

FFXI's biggest issue is this. It has far to few money sinks for how much money is being brought into the game each day. The ecnomony is too player driven and not controlled well enough. 90% Player Driven Ecnomony = BAD. What needs to happen is vendor prices need to be lowerd to encourage people to buy from vendors, thus removing money from the game. Well, that is just a partial solution, this game still needs a helluva lot more then that to fix the economy.

[tdh]

Lakshmi has been run rampant with gil sellers. There have been times I've seen the Monster Stigma camp site have more LAG than Lower Jeuno. I've had people in Davoi try to, basically, talk lower level players, or unrelated job out of hunting for the Juitisu Gi, or the DRG NM's Polearm. I've also seen about 20+ people hunting Stroper Chyme. I've also been the victims of attempted MPK's.

Funny thing is, that I run around wearing my full Elvaan RSE and the Iron Musketeer's Armet, while being /anon. (I like the way it makes ya look like an all white demon. hehe :biggrin:) So they see me there and think I'm a perfect candidate for a MPK, then I switch into my Scythe and Mythril +1 set (I like the INT+6 for Drain, Aspir, and Absorb spells) and kill with little problem. The only problem is, I often hunt with a buddy. The time in Davoi I had a THF who just turned Lv.45. Wanted to test out TH2, he was having problem with the NM's Wyvern beating on his head, so a host of other Orcs racing to kill him too didn't help. Fortunately my Spinning Scythe and Poisonaga helped keep hate on me. (And here I always thought Poisonaga was a useless spell. lol)

Another time it happened to a friend who was Lv.42 trying to get his RSE in Ordelles. I guess the gil sellers thought he was there hunting Stroper, I showed up just in time to save him.

Snipers rings are up to 1M, I think I heard the Hairpin was 800k-1M. Everything seems to be expensive on Lakshmi.

[Shiro_Hayate]

Originally posted by Blood Red Poet
You believe wrong. Gil Sellers only helped inflation, they didn't create it. For someone who mentions end-game problems, shouldn't have at least touched the end-game?

Maybe because I'm a level 75 DRK and I don't use it anymore? Who the hell bothers to update their info anyways.

Tell me how is it not hopeless when all the prices just keep rising higher and higher and higher.

[Blood Red Poet]

Because people just keep on getting richer and richer? The reason they cost so much, because people can pay that much.

And, I am surprised, you don't realize you don't need to camp HNMs for high-level crafting materials? BCNMs, ENMs, and sky gives you just about all the crafting items you need.

[kuu]

However, HNMs are in Instance dungeons (a special dungeon that only your party has access to, and for every party that enters are new dungeon is created), and there are no fucking 9 day respawns

Ok.. profanities and blatant overly exaterating aside. Instance, tigger, or spawn camp, they all require massive cooperative effort. So there is a line. Thus supply vs demand.

Osode can be sold, why is it not sold? because the line is amazingly long. It doesn't sove the problem of a good item = rare item = you chances of getting it = low.

Good items are rationed= rare= long line = price.

If good item can be gotten easily, there would be no need for lower end items, this easy, thus non rewarding.

I have no remorse for people that that complain price raise, if everything else gain is equal. 8k for fire cystals comment is damning you because it's an item anyone can farm. Why don't you farm it yourself? Because it's not worth your time, thus it's cost is "cheap" compare to what you can make.

The ecnomony is too player driven and not controlled well enough. 90% Player Driven Ecnomony = BAD

You're bring in a very sensitive(in acedemic terms) debate of Market vs Communist. So I'll avoid those overtones.

If everything is attendence based (I.E trigger, quest). The the harder it is, and thus the more attendence.

The line starts around the block. I don't like waiting on line, I believe this line is unfair, why can't I do another way of equal value. solution -> AH, where highest bid wins.

Yea, those people who skip work to be the 1st ones to see Star wars ep3, could have paided the wages of their skipped workday, and just see it. And you won't have mssively long lines with people groaning. Of curse that won't be "fair", it's just the princple of the matter you know.

[amastacia]

Situation on Asura is absolutely terrible.

O. Kote = more than 1.5 million
Emp. Pin = usually more than 1.2 million
Leapers = usually more than 1 million
Fuma Kyahan = 800k (yuck)
Juji Gi = 800k
Cassie Earring = last sale for 3.5 million, by a gil seller

Those are just the big boys. Nearly every NM with a worthwhile drop (and even some non-NM mobs like Nightmare Bats in Ifrit's Cauldron) is camped almost non-stop by gil sellers.

There is an LS of them in sky too. They have pop items for all 4 gods, and seals from Genbu and Suzaku. Last weekend they tried to KS Kirin from an NA HNMLS.

A few members from that same HNMLS and a few members from my LS (originally just me, a THF friend, and another RDM friend, the rest came later) were in Fei'Yin for Capricious Cassie. Our original trio (joined halfway through by a NIN) had him down under 50% when the same gil seller LS that tried to KS Kirin started Cure spamming to KS us. We managed to hold claim until 20% when hate control got so impossible that we couldn't do any damage because CC wouldn't sit still. Her AoEs eventually got both our mages dead, and we finally wiped with CC under 10%. Luckily, the gil sellers wiped too since all of their mages died while unsuccessfully attempting to KS.

Once the rest of the people from both LS's arrived, we all raised, rested up, had a nasty little KS war that ended up with one of the gil sellers CFH'ing on Cassie. We Escaped, came back in to try again. Got him down to 20% before they successfully KS'd by Cure bombing + Invincible, and they immediately CFH'd. We killed CC while CFH'd just to finish the insanity, and to make sure those bastards didn't make any gil for their troubles.

3 separate GMs told us to fuck off, but in slightly more polite terms.

So yeah, server migration to anywhere the gil seller LS BloodSky is not, {Yes, please.}.

[DakAttack]

Sounds like you've got a rough time there. I don't know what that's like because everybody has befriended the gil sellers and they now walk among us seamlessly on Seraph. If you know who they are you can spot them in a crowd but most people are either too new to know them or have long forgotten about them.

It's still funny the way players blame the economy on the gil sellers. It isn't them as much as it is the impatient people who will buy at any price just because they have the money.

Of course that's only Seraph where the gil sellers have made themselves scarce.

[samskeyti]

Gilsellers have been attempting to steal King Behemoth now on my server. As far as I know, they haven't succeeded yet in getting a kill, but it's only a matter of time. Maybe they'll move on to Fafnir next.

I think they will also be farming Kirin in the next couple of weeks. They farm pop items 24/7 and have been able to beat Byakko and Seiryu.

Too many people already competing for sky NMs and ground kings, now gilsellers will MPK and KS you if you happen to claim something they want.

Out of control for sure. Tbh, it's becoming so much of a hassel to me, if it doesn't get fixed soon I'm probably going to trash my account. There simply aren't any NMs around that a person can legitimently hunt without getting MPK'd and harrassed.

It's not fun anymore.

[Xyphere]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

If every legit player in FFXI could take 5 minutes out of their day and send an email to SE, they would address the problem immeadiately. We'd have a "Valentines Day Massacre" all over again.

[Cali]

Originally posted by Xyphere
We'd have a "Valentines Day Massacre" all over again.

For the blue Earth!!! Kill the co-ordinators! mm.. I mean, Gil farmers.

I wonder what SE can do though, the gil farmers earned enough to buy new accounts anyway(no, IP ban never work).

Well, let's hope gil farmers grow a brain and realise if they don't let us earn gil, they won't get any gil either, and then they are out of job~ lol Wishful Thinking.

[TheGrandMom]

Originally posted by Xyphere
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

If every legit player in FFXI could take 5 minutes out of their day and send an email to SE, they would address the problem immeadiately. We'd have a "Valentines Day Massacre" all over again.

I totally agree. I've been advocating for a massive mail program for legitimate issues for a while now. Not email because they just hit the delete button and poof! A regular mail flood within a certain time period would garner more attention. Simply pick a week, address a topic, and have thousands of people commit to sending a piece of mail within that week. Issues I found with this are that A) People don't like giving out their personal info (i.e. name and address) even to a company that already has it on file, and B) You would have to give them this info and your in game info also to prove that you have an active account, they will just ignore anonymous letters. So between these 2 issues, I have found that people are very uncomfortable doing this.

[Yarr]

people always over look the real problem. Forget gil sellers, its the gil buyers that piss me off.


People love to get mad at all the gil sellers, and rightly so I guess.

the real problem here are the douche bags buying the gil and paying the high prices. If no one bought the gil, there would be no gil sellers.

Thats why on my server I dont allow anyone who is a known gilbuyer (someone just as bad as a gil seller) to join my linkshell or my linkshell public events. Ifrit is a really Japanese HNM LS heavy linkshell so theres few top NA linkshell, mine being the top one.

actually ifrit is so bad that my linkshell is the only linkshell to have killed all three kings (NQ and HQ). Only one other NA linkshell has killed King behemoth.

All thanks to a Japanese linkshell who apparently sells the abj for gil and then sells the gill to IGE. Or so the rumors go...

[Pai Pai Master]

Mass banning of gilsellser would do nothing.

Gilsellers would return in the form of new characters, and while they EXP to the levels they need to be, regular players would be camping the NMs and instead of doing the right thing by undercutting the prices to make them more natural and reasonable, they'd just want to sell for the highest price, and then post on message boards about how they hate gilsellers 5 minutes later.

It's how the world works. I've taught myself to just ignore gilsellers. They're there, they suck, but there's nothing you, me or Square Enix can do about it.

[Frumply]

Prices rose due to demand, and these aren't prices that are likely to change anytime soon. The most obvious sign of this is how Utsusemi2 is going for 400k on Carbuncle... You get enough of that crap to throw away if you do rabbit BCNMs.

[Niland]

if you don't like gill-sellers, don't buy gil.

[kuu]

ENM has also hurt the economy.

People that once farmed have been all going to EMN.

Eventually the market will even itself out, as the drop items, and crafting items regulate itself.

For now you can bitch all you want that silk is worth 20k and sole is 30k and silent oil 20k. Everyone uses them, but no one farms them.

Banning every gilseller will not solve your 10k utsusemi, 30k sole. In fact that are usually the first ones to help it, by increasing supply.

[Shiro_Hayate]

Originally posted by Pai Pai Master
Mass banning of gilsellser would do nothing.

Gilsellers would return in the form of new characters, and while they EXP to the levels they need to be, regular players would be camping the NMs and instead of doing the right thing by undercutting the prices to make them more natural and reasonable, they'd just want to sell for the highest price, and then post on message boards about how they hate gilsellers 5 minutes later.

It's how the world works. I've taught myself to just ignore gilsellers. They're there, they suck, but there's nothing you, me or Square Enix can do about it.

I have a question about gil sellers. If Square-Enix were to change the ToS upon the next patch and have it pop up like all over the place in the game before activating FFXI and one of the lines were something like "Everything in FFXI (items, money, data) are properties of Square-Enix, if any of these thing are sold you will be charged blah blah per gil advertised". I'm not so familiar with law, but wouldn't that work? They'd be making money too...

[Macht]

Originally posted by Shiro_Hayate
I have a question about gil sellers. If Square-Enix were to change the ToS upon the next patch and have it pop up like all over the place in the game before activating FFXI and one of the lines were something like "Everything in FFXI (items, money, data) are properties of Square-Enix, if any of these thing are sold you will be charged blah blah per gil advertised". I'm not so familiar with law, but wouldn't that work? They'd be making money too...

Won't really work. First off legally banning someone is a lesser penalty then charging them, you can be banned from anywere and have close to no backing proof and the law won't stop it still have to have some but almost anything will qualify.

If they do charge it'll only work with those who agree to the ToS that have no conditions were international copyright comes into play, international copyright doesn't cover the data being transfered itself only how the databases transfer the data. This is kind of a double-edge sword because it also means anyone that is under an international setting with the ToS SE can ban with no reason and have no legal recourse against them, but if they attempt to charge then legally it becomes each parties choice if they want to pay them or not it can't be legally enforced.

Then if they do start making it a definat "You will be charged for this action" type of deal that's bad business practice it'll reduce the possible playerbase out of fear of falsly being accussed and charged for it.

EDIT:

Also to add if they were able to get that implemented then it just means the price the gil sellers charge will just go up to compensate for the fee they incur. It'll probably reduce the activity but unlikely it'll get rid of it.

[DakAttack]

Also remember what happened to RO and botting. They've given up on trying to stop it. If SE allows players to report gil sellers and buyers they'll start a giant witch hunt that will catch several innocent people in the crossfire.

[kuu]

Also remember what happened to RO and botting. They've given up on trying to stop it. If SE allows players to report gil sellers and buyers they'll start a giant witch hunt that will catch several innocent people in the crossfire.

A witch hunt is already in place, just luckly not to the level where a large section of the community becomes paranoid.

Well to guess to an apocalyptic ffxi gilseller world:

Anyone who NM steals= gilseller
Anyone who farms more then 5 hours = gilseller
Anyone who beats you in monster pull = gilseller
Anyone who's speaks chinese = gilseller
Anyone who's rich =gilseller
Anyone without a pearl = gilseller
Aynone with rhyming names =gilseller
Anyone who owns a history = gilseller
Alientate and mpk all gilsellers

Did I miss any stereotype?

Welcome to the ffxi twilightzone

[Cali]

Originally posted by kuu
A witch hunt is already in place, just luckly not to the level where a large section of the community becomes paranoid.

Well to guess to an apocalyptic ffxi gilseller world:

Anyone who NM steals= gilseller
Anyone who farms more then 5 hours = gilseller
Anyone who beats you in monster pull = gilseller
Anyone who's speaks chinese = gilseller
Anyone who's rich =gilseller
Anyone without a pearl = gilseller
Aynone with rhyming names =gilseller
Anyone who owns a history = gilseller
Alientate and mpk all gilsellers

Did I miss any stereotype?

Welcome to the ffxi twilightzone

Anyone who is anon = gilseller
Anyone who has good gears = gilseller
Anyone who camp the NM I am camping = gilseller
Anyone who is repeatingly camping the same NM because they couldn't get the rare drop(|luck| |Can I have it?|) = gilseller
Anyone who is DRG = gilseller
Anyone who camp with more than 6 people from their LS = gilseller
Anyone who doesn't reply to my ultimately important tell = gilseller
Anyone who doesn't speak my godly language = gilseller

That's all I could think of :spin:

[DakAttack]

I'm a Drg, I'm fairly rich, I camp NMs, I beat people to the pulls... I've become a gil seller! Aiiieeee........ kekela ^_____________^

Anyways I have a picture of four or five Elvaan Dragoon all in AF with the same hair style and color all with random generated elvaan names, and all without pearls. Freaky, I know.

Bah I don't have it anymore, but it was freaky. I guaruntee it.

[Cali]

Originally posted by Impaction
I'm a Drg, I'm fairly rich, I camp NMs, I beat people to the pulls... I've become a gil seller! Aiiieeee........ kekela ^_____________^


You are in danger now, better watch out ;)

New update to list:

Anyone who is leveling in an area with valiable NM, and accidentally link the mob, or got unwanted add, so had to train to entrance = gilseller (Yes, all the little dunes trainers are dead now, wipe the n00bs)
Anyone who is BST = gilseller
Anyone who is BST, and has pet = gilseller

[Kailea]

yeah that list is BS lol.....I am a DRG, and sometimes when I hunt NMs I take off my pearl and go anon, now I am not rich...but I have above decent gear and always hunt NMs for 4-6 hours when I go, or to me it is not worth it to go. and alot of the times I beat people to the tag because of the way I have my macro setup with my controler. And I have never sold gil, never will sell gil, and never will buy gil EVER!

[Frumply]

>If SE allows players to report gil sellers and buyers they'll start a giant witch hunt that will catch several innocent people in the crossfire

Don't forget that the biggest problem is inaction on the most blatant offenders. Customers are unhappy because the workers are at popular hunting grounds, very popular NMs, etc. which "normal" folks go to as well.

[Nameless]

Originally posted by Kailea-D
yeah that list is BS lol.....I am a DRG, and sometimes when I hunt NMs I take off my pearl and go anon, now I am not rich...but I have above decent gear and always hunt NMs for 4-6 hours when I go, or to me it is not worth it to go. and alot of the times I beat people to the tag because of the way I have my macro setup with my controler. And I have never sold gil, never will sell gil, and never will buy gil EVER!

It's a joke.

[tazirai]

Originally posted by Cali
Anyone who is anon = gilseller
Anyone who has good gears = gilseller
Anyone who camp the NM I am camping = gilseller
Anyone who is repeatingly camping the same NM because they couldn't get the rare drop(|luck| |Can I have it?|) = gilseller
Anyone who is DRG = gilseller
Anyone who camp with more than 6 people from their LS = gilseller
Anyone who doesn't reply to my ultimately important tell = gilseller
Anyone who doesn't speak my godly language = gilseller

That's all I could think of :spin:

pretty much covered

Originally posted by kuu
A witch hunt is already in place, just luckly not to the level where a large section of the community becomes paranoid.

Well to guess to an apocalyptic ffxi gilseller world:

Anyone who NM steals= gilseller
Anyone who farms more then 5 hours = gilseller
Anyone who beats you in monster pull = gilseller
Anyone who's speaks chinese = gilseller
Anyone who's rich =gilseller
Anyone without a pearl = gilseller
Aynone with rhyming names =gilseller
Anyone who owns a history = gilseller
Alientate and mpk all gilsellers

Did I miss any stereotype?

Welcome to the ffxi twilightzone

yap, I love ffxizone.. my favorite show......

Originally posted by Niland
if you don't like gill-sellers, don't buy gil.

Correct, but people alwasy look for a leg up,
I blame one thing for gil buyers .. well primarily one thing I see my NA friends complain about, Accuracy items. Seems thats what everyone seems to berate players for so they think they need to buy =100000 Accuracy items to be able to do anything.

just something ive noticed...

Originally posted by Pai Pai Master
Mass banning of gilsellser would do nothing.

Gilsellers would return in the form of new characters, and while they EXP to the levels they need to be, regular players would be camping the NMs and instead of doing the right thing by undercutting the prices to make them more natural and reasonable, they'd just want to sell for the highest price, and then post on message boards about how they hate gilsellers 5 minutes later.

It's how the world works. I've taught myself to just ignore gilsellers. They're there, they suck, but there's nothing you, me or Square Enix can do about it.

I pretty Ignore gil sellers also, the thing that pisses me off is the greed of the Players who then turn around and blame gil sellers.

Example: go to jueno and look for a stack of firecrystals.
last purchase price is 4k.. Cool ill get a few stacks.

you inpur 4k and get the message you didnt get it.
4.5k still no luck
5k Finally you get a stack
you just spent 1k more than you wanted to even though the last few stacks sold for 1k less.

You try for another stack
5k = no go
5.5k for the next stack.
that isnt Gil selling its pure greed.


Originally posted by Yarr
people always over look the real problem. Forget gil sellers, its the gil buyers that piss me off.


People love to get mad at all the gil sellers, and rightly so I guess.

the real problem here are the douche bags buying the gil and paying the high prices. If no one bought the gil, there would be no gil sellers.




Gil sellers are a problem.

Gil Buyers ARE the ones who create the problem, If they didnt demand it there would be no market.

just as Yarr said.
GREED is Bigger than gil sellers or buyers to me.
People always try to push the envilope and that causes un needed inflation.

Also those items that are"MUST'S" just to level up arent musts. they are luxury items. You dont need =20000 Acc to level up.
You dont need to spend 400k on an earing that gives you +5Mp

Whatim going to say is going to fall on Deaf ears but if players top berating other players for Their equips.
they would one
1) Stop the need for gil buying
2) Stop gil sellers
3) Put a clamp on the rapid greed
4) Stop telling people to be the best you need that +5 MP or you suck.


but this wont happen so to deaf ears it falls.

[Cali]

:spin: Well written, well written~ I seriously wish I could put it that nicely :spin: *Cali uses Dream Hat+1, Cali got a ginger cookie, Cali hands tazirai a ginger cookie.*

Also the people that just bid for the highest price in history(regardless of it being the oldest) caused the price inflation too... I can safely say, I can put my Monster Signa up for 1gil, and I am sure I will get the full price sent to me. I tried lowering the price of several items(since the newest price is lowered), so I placed at low price, wanting to rid the history of the higher price, but instead, people paid me the high price >.>;

[Sheila]

if players top berating other players for Their equips.
they would one
1) Stop the need for gil buying
2) Stop gil sellers
3) Put a clamp on the rapid greed
4) Stop telling people to be the best you need that +5 MP or you suck.


Umm... no.

Not everyone is that stupid nor vain. Most of the people I've seen who are into the 'luxury' collecting are very smart and calculating individuals. What other people think hardly affects their buying decisions.

That's like telling the leaders of HNM LSes to not pay the insane prices of the items they can afford. These are prices which they can pay and you're expecting them to sit tight and be happy with mediocrity when they're constantly raising large amounts of money which NEEDS to be used.

The gil NEEDS to be spent because in case you aren't paying attention.. inflation means the value of gil is going down while actual items are going up. The sooner you buy, the better the deal.

But you're telling me it's plain ole greed? Then the whole endgame is about greed! There is such thing as hierarchy, there are people who will be priviledged enough to get what others can't. Simplify the gil inflation problems as much as you can, the problem is you need to accept the fact that it's a lot more complicated than "omg ppl want items make it stop".

the people that just bid for the highest price in history(regardless of it being the oldest) caused the price inflation too

Again, no. The person who put it up for a high price knowing it would sell caused the inflation. Supply and demand. Simple as that.

Not everyone is sitting there staring at their screens thinking "I must pay 3k for fire crystals or I'll hold my breath!".

What in blazes are you expecting them to do? Wait for prices to lower?
By then other people will pay up.

My point is that this is a complicated cycle that doesn't start nor end at one spot. Trying to place blame will probably make you feel better for all of two seconds.

[Kailea]

I agree, it is no one person or groups fault that this has reached such a high level. The blame can be placed on all of us as a whole.

[tazirai]

Originally posted by Sheila
Umm... no.

Not everyone is that stupid nor vain. Most of the people I've seen who are into the 'luxury' collecting are very smart and calculating individuals. What other people think hardly affects their buying decisions.

That's like telling the leaders of HNM LSes to not pay the insane prices of the items they can afford. These are prices which they can pay and you're expecting them to sit tight and be happy with mediocrity when they're constantly raising large amounts of money which NEEDS to be used.

The gil NEEDS to be spent because in case you aren't paying attention.. inflation means the value of gil is going down while actual items are going up. The sooner you buy, the better the deal.

But you're telling me it's plain ole greed? Then the whole endgame is about greed! There is such thing as hierarchy, there are people who will be priviledged enough to get what others can't. Simplify the gil inflation problems as much as you can, the problem is you need to accept the fact that it's a lot more complicated than "omg ppl want items make it stop".



No no, I actually agree with you.
It may be hard to believe but im speaking just on 1 segment of the population, the lower levels 1-45(50), Basically the pre AF levels.
Im rich to so I cant say I wont buy high ticket items, when I can obvisouly afford them. The greed im talking about is the way people try to push the market unfairly, then some poor sap comes along(im the poor sap sometimes), and spends 5.5k on firecrystals when the last selling point was 4k. thats what im talkin about. I could care less if some HNMLS puts items on the market for 5 mil. If someone can afford it buy, by all means.

Im talking about the lower level players that cant afford to buy an Poerful Rope. Not the rich high level player that s currently leveling a lower level job.

there are things in the game which people berate each other for simply because they dont possess said item. So what are those players options.
1) Farm gil? Some people dont have the time nor inclination to farm items even though some of us make the time to do so.
2)Buy Gil? Easiest way out they can stop the harrassment, have some gil in their gobbiebags and have "fun"
"Although its not my idea of fun"

Me personally I dont play for endgame only, So i cant speak on what happens in most HNMLS, even though i'm casual member in a few. I hope on get a cool title, I dont ask for drops the fights do it for me. Then I never look back at that HNM again, except screenies. The game has generated a fair amount of greed among players and not just at "endgame" levels. But across all levels.

The issue is much more complicated than banning gil sellers, and for a game it gives alot of people alot of stress just to log in daily.
Money stress, HNMLS stress, Normal stress, etc.
You cant ban every greedy player because theirs no way to force someone not to be greedy.
What im saying is that IF players stopped beratting other players about what equips they are wearing it would solve alot of things.
Not everyone is as strong willed as you and me Sheila, I dont expect them to be, Unfortunately their fellow players do.

I know When i first started ffxi that I didnt wear the "BEST" gear just to level, I wore level appropriate items, So did most japanese.
Hell Monster signa used to sell for 10k on Ramuh. Rabbit charm was the most expensive at 100k. In todays game people DO, down each other in level up PT's for not having Haubergeon or a snipers ring.
When you fight HNM's I think those Equips should come into play, But just for normal level up?

[Sheila]

The greed im talking about is the way people try to push the market unfairly, then some poor sap comes along(im the poor sap sometimes), and spends 5.5k on firecrystals when the last selling point was 4k.

The Auction House was an amazingly well thought out system, it allows for 24/7 economic growth. This is why one can not blame someone for putting 5.5k for an item which you believe to be on average 4k.

The AH is a 24/7 system. Chances are the person who put it up for 5.5k saw it for 5.5k or more at the time he put it up.

The options you listed are the wrong options for such a player. This person wants to be a smart buyer, all they can do is plan carefully.

If the peak play hours are for example: 12am EST. This means chances are there will be more crystals on the auction at 12am-2am. The more up on the auction, the lower the price becomes because people want to sell. That's common sense for a buyer, wait until the demand is lower than the supply.

In normal level up and HNM battles, having on the whole 3% stronger equipment by getting HQ and god knows what honestly means nothing. Anyone who thinks expensive equipment outweighs actual playing skill and reputation is highly mistaken and it's their loss.