Darwin award goes too. . . .

[Ivadell]

ok let me set this up. One of our LS members is a 100 Bone crafter, and does all the LS Scorp harnesses. He usually signs them for us. Well our LS guy caught wind that the RMT has one of his signed harnesses. Hilarity insues. . . .




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working the details out. . .


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can it be. . .


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oh my those mithra sure are tricky. ><



now I know this seems alittle extreme, but trust me i think i speak for everyone on the Sylph server when i say that these guys are jerks and deserve more than just being robbed.

[Rico]

That was low. I don't care who's playing. You honsetly don't do crap like that... :mad: Dude robbed a persons Scrop harness how can be mean when he polietly asked for scrop harness +1. This thread states not that gil sellers are mean. It's more like people can be assholes. :thumbsup: The idiot is only scouping down to the gil sellers level.

[kazuri]

Yea, no offense but that was low. Although they're breaking the rules and may deserve it, you still don't do stuff like that. Just because others don't show respect and fair play doesn't mean you should too. :o

[PsychoMatrix]

You're pathetic. Even if he's a gil seller, that doesn't mean he deserves to get his things stolen.

I'm not even worried about gil sellers anymore. I work around them. But it's people like you that make this game crap. What are you, 10, 12 years old? Do you not know right from wrong? .... And here you are... Pretty much calling him trash....

(PS: If this seemed offensive, that's because it's supposed to be)

[Darkwarrior]

I don't know about other servers, but in Ragnarok RMT steal and camp H/NMs and they're not really "legit players" and imo they deserve it, this is just a small payback...:spin:

[Ivadell]

Pyscho I really don't think you have a fuckin clue about what you are saying. "You work around them." That must mean you sit in Jeuno randoming other noobs. Every try to work around Phantom Worm while these jerk-offs drag all of Kuftal right on top of you? Or trying to kill certain beastman gods and have them train other l inking mobs over to you, Or maybe you've worked around them stealing Fafnir when it goes yellow for a split second. Or maybe when they try and steal Kirin? Of course who am I kidding everything can be resolved with just alittle bit of respect. I love it how everyone bitches about these guys when they are jacking your shit, but god forbid we the legit players take matters into our own hands. Everyone else then becomes Lord Byron acting proper and respectful. To be honest if i was that guy I would have desynth'd the damn thing right in front of him, slapped him and then warpped. If you guys wanna flame this thread go ahead, but please come with something more credible than "I work around them" , cause thats just fuckin lame. pussies.

[Elyon]

Iva's right, Chest & Co. are royal douchebags. I can't believe you feel sympathy for them. Seriously, anyone stupid enough to give away their Scorp like that deserves to have it stolen. It's not like Chest missed his harness anyways, he had another one by 10PM.
Think about it from the crafter's perspective. What would you do if you found one of your harnesses on a gilseller? How's a crafter supposed to make a name for himself if people start to think he's crafting for the RMT?

[Lovy]

Once I had an issue: one guy had stolen my mob, he said "sry, lol". It was the only monster in that area I needed, but that guy was just killing everything. And I had to go back to city. If it was possible to duel in FFXI, I'd do it immediately, was very angry.
Next time I saw him just not far from Windurst gates, he was lvling his new job. I was acting as BLM/RDM and had lots of Orange Juice. So I ran in front of him and was killing everything I saw in one cast of spell. He couldn't pick up any mob, so he was in despair and picked one tough Crawler. He was dying on my eyes, I was standing and watching. I could heal him, but didn't; so he died. Of course he didn't loose much at his low lv, but anyway I felt no good myself. Felt like if I lowered myself down to his lv. This feeling means a lot. Even if somebody's not very good, it doesn't mean you should be the same, otherwise everyone will be pure shi@.

After being tricked that guy can do the same to somebody to revenge and so on. I've seen how this works.

[Rakhir]

Of course they deserve some of it. Its like kicking the neighborhood bully in the nuts after they take your lunch money. Its not going to cripple them for life, but they know you don't like getting picked on. They've done so much crap to our server that we need pay back in some form or another.

[Jeryhn]

To the OP: You, sir, are a dumbass.

What makes you think these people won't follow you everywhere you go and MPK the hell out of you (or your party) now, each and every chance they get?

[Seldzar]

Because they have to spend their time gil farming.

[Macht]

I agree that if you can't get the GMs to handle your situation to improve the game then we as the players should try to "take matters into our own hands". However there are 1,001 different ways you can do that some of them are well thought out and promote positive responses. Some are out of blind rage or straight out stupidity that only promotes negative results and in turn causes more negative results.

There is so many usable methods in the game to make an opposing stand to an action without making a violent act to the ones doing something wrong.

Anyone ever thought of starting a LS to setup actions against the players that can be proven as doing something wrong? You don't have to kill them, you don't have to steal actual items from them, all you have to is simply make the area less profitable for them or assist to remove the chances for these players to steal a monster.

Not that hard if a group has already beaten you to the claim in a fair match for the HNM, then be willing to sacrifice some time making sure that the party which got the HNM can focus just on it so that they can't loose claim on it for even a second.

Even if they do lose claim ever attempt to claim to just give back to them to help reduce the possibility of some gilseller group causing problems?

How about the LS setup focusing on what's obviously already known areas of problems with mass trains and working to counter them?

You can't hope for change without some sacrifice, if you yourself is unwilling to put the effort then why expect others to put the same effort?

Sadly a good majority of players like to complain but are unwilling to make a sacrifice. Instead they see methods of revenge as being justifiable actions when it isn't.

[Darkwarrior]

Macht I play the game to have fun(right:sweat: ) not spend my game time following a gil seller group all day, might aswell quit:dead:

[pagodaman02]

ROFLROFLROFLROFL Good job. Impressive swindling.

[Macht]

Originally posted by Darkwarrior
Macht I play the game to have fun(right:sweat: ) not spend my game time following a gil seller group all day, might aswell quit:dead:

There's my point in action. Yes the game is to have fun, but you are interacting with others as well. How the hell you expect a legit crafter to get business if the crooked ones, regardless of reasoning behind it, are stealing gear from others.

There is just so much that's negative being promoted in that action, that you are harming positive development and not improving the rate of fun that everyone could have. If I see you complaining about gil sellers and not willing to sacrifice a little time then someone should slap you.

If there really is so many people opposed to gilsellers you should easily be able to get people to be willing to sacrifice at least 1 time out their sessions each week to stop gilsellers. Do you see that happen? I sure don't, simply because no one's willing to make such a sacrifice. So if you aren't willing then you shouldn't be complaining.

EDIT:

The whole logic concept of "Beggers can't be Choosers" comes to mind.

[Darkwarrior]

How the hell you expect a legit crafter to get business if the crooked ones, regardless of reasoning behind it, are stealing gear from others.

Gil sellers are not others, they're gil sellers:spin:

And sacrifice? SE > ban > no gil sellers:thumbsup:

[Macht]

Originally posted by Darkwarrior
Gil sellers are not others, they're gil sellers:spin:

And sacrifice? SE > ban > no gil sellers:thumbsup:

They do work at it but like I said gil seller or not that PC still stole from another PC when you get down to it. Two wrongs do not make a right, it just breeds more wrong actions.

Promoting something like this and you'll certainly have other PC attempting to do this also. Eventually one of the PCs that steal from another PC is going to be stealing from one that is playing legit. All this because someone thought it to be right justice to steal from another PC weather they are a gilseller or not.

I personally am glad now I'm not on either of your servers, I would hate to have one of you steal from me because you think I'm a gil seller. It's bad enough I already had one person acusing me of that on the game because I've spent so much time in Maze of Shakrami in my 50s trying to fund myself before finding better methods.

[Ivadell]

I think all on this thread that post in favor of the gillseller need to finish leveling to 75, and then go out and try to compete for the same items these guys are monopolizing. i.e. Alk bracelets, Pallas bracelets, Phantom Worm, God triggers, Amemet, Aquarius, etc. . . no one under lvl 70 minimum has a friggin clue about this. So shut- up and go get MPK'd by these guys, call a GM and watch as the GM say's their is nothing they can do, then go to a random game forum and cry because it's so unfair. This is war.

[Kagerou]

We had a thread when GSDragoon did somewhat the same thing (promised to help with some AF, got gil and warped). We all know what happened after that... :(

[Macht]

Originally posted by Ivadell
This is war.

Even in war there are rules, some you may have to break. If you do have to get your hands dirty you generally want to keep it unknown, not parade it out everywere you can that changes the whole aspect of what you did.

This ends up more like someone wanting attention. Wanting to hear a "alright that's what the little ****** needed". That is endorsement of a negative action and should not be done, not matter what justicifications you can try and rationalize.

Also if you are blind which I don't think you are last I knew stuff that non-75s could hunt were also effected by gilsellers, so it doesn't require lv. 75 to see this occuring. I know it pretty well when I was trying to hunt Argus, still I didn't once think of resorting to an action like this.

Originally posted by LotusWing
We had a thread when GSDragoon did somewhat the same thing (promised to help with some AF, got gil and warped). We all know what happened after that... :(

Unfortunate as that is, but when you say "We all know what happened after that... :(" I do not. Still it sounds like the result was a negative action, and negative isn't gil seller exclusive but as long as you keep promoting negative action that's all you can really expect to see.

[Gosai]

I thought it was hillarious.

[Metrou]

How did the gil seller get a Scorpion Harness signed by your LS mate?

[Fire]

I'm gonna have to agree with the thread poster here. When gil sellers come to King behemoth and steal and mpk you by claiming him when it goes yellow you pretty much lose all caring for them. Also I noticed as well every one who posted "pro" gilseller is like lv10~55 lol. Probably because this level range makes up 70%+ of the gil buyers on all servers. GG

[Aenomaru]

Fuck gil-buyers, fuck gil-sellers.

[Ivadell]

I know it pretty well when I was trying to hunt Argus

ok but how many mobs down where Argus is can be used to MPK someone. Ok I see that you are a ranger, when the day comes for you to get you a nice pair of Crimson Gauntlets, but your LS is having a really hard time because Gil Sellers are monopolizing the trigger NM's, refer back to this post.

[Rodin]

Not just in the 70s. I was attempted to be MPKed by Logitech (banned now, thank you Valentines Day Massacre) WHen I was leveling with my set in the 50's.....seriously, if my set paryt could take amemet, we would have, because for some reason, the damn mob kept coming unclaimed when their BLM cast sleepga II (would have taken a simple flash) But no, I kept on my merry little way leveling, and guess what the GM did....SQUAT....If you support gilselling, you're supporting the type of lives these people have. They're not going to try and improve themselves by sitting around playing a game to make money. If they don't like their lives, they should go and get REAL jobs. People have called me Ignorant, people have called me racist, but seriously, do you know the types of lives the people have over there? My neighbor moved here from china. She said it's a horrid place. The only way her family could survive was by an illegal trade (not saying anything.) The government has TOTAL control over you, and can kill you if they SUSPECT you of wrongdoing. This goes out to those who think they know what life is like in china. LEARN BEFORE YOU CAST THE STONE AT ME. Seriously, didn't any of you guys see the discovery channel special about the children who ran away from home, and crossed the border to Korea? It's horrible over there. And if you support that, I think you're the one who's ignorant. Don't say anything to me about what you think about the chinese, because I will tell you, it's a lot different than what it appear to be.




Sorry for the long rant, but I've been a little pissed at the people who support this. They think everything is all fine and dandy. People are being beaten, people are being killed. And mind you, it's not just men, it's women and children too.

[Rico]

All I'm saying is that gil sellers aren't the only stupid ones, we got stupid players too. Yesterday a LS was fighting king behe and they got it down to a very low % so I heard. And some Taru Thief took the claim and called help -.- so they had to wait for it to regain its health and fight it again. Also heard gill sellers tried to steal it =3. I'm not to found about gill sellers. But I wouldn't scoup down to there level.

[Tatooa]

It seems whenever someone posts a success, people show up who just want to bash their accomplishments no matter if it's right or not. They do it because it makes them feel better about themselves because they can say "look at how much better I am than that guy". Then several people jump on the bandwagon and the guy ends up looking like a jerk. Not to mention this is especially the case when the person posting is outside the close-knit network of freinds that act cute and nice and then slit the throats of the outside forum members.

I for one say good job, Ivadell. It may not get rid of them, but it will send a messege that we don't like what's going on.

[Feenicks]

I for one say good job, Ivadell. It may not get rid of them, but it will send a messege that we don't like what's going on.
What makes you think that they don't know this already? And what makes you think that they even care?

I'm struggling to understand what actions like this actually achieve apart from a personal sense of peace brought about by vindicating some form of vengeance.

[Decland]

thats the problem with this game, too many pasifistic pussies.

GMs wont do shit about Gil sellers, we have to take matters into our own hands.

If u have a chance to screw over a gil seller/s DO IT! These Chinese/Japanese pricks need to be stopped.

These people who posted in support of them, write there name down, find them in game, givem hell. Theres no room for whiney little pacifistic nerds who aint had pussy since pussy had them.

loooooooooooool

[StarRaven]

Go Go Mithra :biggrin:

They deserve a lot worse for what they have put a lot of other players through. I'm so sick and tired of all these gil sellers :mad:

[yuukei]

Originally posted by Decland
thats the problem with this game, too many pasifistic pussies.

GMs wont do shit about Gil sellers, we have to take matters into our own hands.

If u have a chance to screw over a gil seller/s DO IT! These Chinese/Japanese pricks need to be stopped.

These people who posted in support of them, write there name down, find them in game, givem hell. Theres no room for whiney little pacifistic nerds who aint had pussy since pussy had them.

loooooooooooool

No one is posting in support of gillsellers. If you were actually reading the responses you'd know that.

The problem is that people are thinking that parading around whatever bad deeds they've done to a gil seller is worth parading about. It's not. Someone did some evil shit to you and you did some evil shit to them. But let's not be idiots and actually believe that it was done for the "good of the community". He wanted to take care of the reputation of his LS. He did so. It was a selfish act and he could give two shits about any of you and what any gilseller has done to anyone else.

No one seems to care about the kind of problems this could lead to. People mistakenly doing this kind of stuff to other people who aren't gilsellers. You wanna call me a pacifistic pussy? If you ever did this to an innocent person I'd call you a self righteous warmonger and label you just as bad as any gilseller that did these things.

Macht had a good idea about people getting together and actually working together to get things done. If you guys don't want to get together to do things the right way...if you'd rather just go off and do the same things that the very people you hate are doing, things that you already see as wrong and look down upon, then you're no better than the people you hate, and you're just being hypocrites. Deal with it.

(Edited because I got carried away.)

[Macht]

Originally posted by Ivadell
ok but how many mobs down where Argus is can be used to MPK someone. Ok I see that you are a ranger, when the day comes for you to get you a nice pair of Crimson Gauntlets, but your LS is having a really hard time because Gil Sellers are monopolizing the trigger NM's, refer back to this post.

Heh, picked the wrong person to put such a challenge against. As for mobs killing me down there, apparently you don't know the tricks to transfering hate it's quite possible for a person to put a good army of wights on someone and get them killed.

Wights still kicked me around pretty good down there if they got to get the hate changed on to me. Which even then if I beat them I was out for a decent amount of time that someone could get argus and I couldn't do a thing about it.

Well see though, I'm sure I may be annoyed with it but I will never once resort to such a level. That's a definate promise.

EDIT:

Thanks for the post yuukei, I agree with you on what you said. I've actually tried 8 times to get a group started on my server to setup preventative measures to stop gilsellers but every time it failed, I was constantly running into people who'd complain but when I offered them a chance to participate in making a positive effort against it. Well just guess what the response was, "I don't have the time, what's fun about that?".

People complain about gilsellers messing up their fun, they given an option to try and correct this so they can have more fun in a positive aspect and yet they refuse :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Tallonx]

Originally posted by Decland
thats the problem with this game, too many pasifistic pussies.

GMs wont do shit about Gil sellers, we have to take matters into our own hands.

If u have a chance to screw over a gil seller/s DO IT! These Chinese/Japanese pricks need to be stopped.

These people who posted in support of them, write there name down, find them in game, givem hell. Theres no room for whiney little pacifistic nerds who aint had pussy since pussy had them.

loooooooooooool

Allright, My feelings about gilsellers are about the same as the rest of you, I don't like them, I don't like that they steal my NM's, i don't like that they steal my Coffers, I don't like that they steal my gil, so why in the world, if we don't like them from stealing from us, would we steal from them? I understand what you're doing, and i'm sure ur server is different from ours, but that would kinda make me mad on both ends.

And as for the quote, You say Japanese/Chinese like their the only ones doing it, and I onno, maybe ur server is different from ours, but there are plenty if not more American gil sellers than chinese or Japanese.... I've infact never seen a japanese gil seller, you can say, that its because i'm lvl 47 and blah blah blah, well i've been p laying this game for as long as I can remember, and i know it like the back of my hand, so i know whats going on, don't use my level as an excuse to flame me >.<

/sigh :P <3 all FFXI players

[Xyphere]

If a gil seller had a Scorpion Harness or anything of that calibur signed by me, I would have done the same fucking thing. I sure as hell wouldn't want some gil seller wearing gear created by me, so I say good job.

I can't believe some of you are defending them... apparently you don't realize how bad the gil sellers' take over is getting, or you're just oblivious to all the shit they've pulled.

[DakAttack]

I don't see anything stating he recieved the traded harness or that it was signed.

[yuukei]

And I sure as hell don't see anything about people defending gilsellers. NOONE is saying the gilsellers are right. If anything they are saying that YOU are just as bad as THEM for pulling stupid shit. And that pulling stupid shit like that is only going to cause MORE problems. It's NOT going to make anything better. If anything some innocent is going to get caught in the middle of it or worse. You people need to get a clue and take note of the history of the world all the way up to the present day.

Responding to bad acts with more bad acts never did anyone any good. When some crafter steals your scorpion harness from you because they thought you were a gilseller and desynths the damn thing in front of you like someone suggested then you'll see what I mean. And when that happens I'll laugh at you. Because you deserved it.

(Edit) It's called Karma, and the more gilseller-like acts you pull on people the more gilseller-like karma you build up.

[Sindinista]

That's hilarious! XD

[Ivadell]

Ok I understand the whole "united front", and "join together and defeat them with love" thing you guys want to see. But the simple reality of this is, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. This game is just like real life, sure it would be easier if all the people in the US would realize that drinking and driving is a morally wrong thing to do, but does that stop them? Nope. It is human nature to want to act on your own and follow your own course in life. This individual acted knowing completely the repercutions of his actions, and yet he still did it. Why? I think that it was because as a crafter there is a sense of pride when you make a item of that calliber and have your name on it, just to see a retard running around with that item MPKing people trying to better themsleves. If the harness wasn't one of his signed ones, I know for a fact that he could of cared less about this RMT having it. That harness went to someone in the LS that has been working long and hard to get one, and that honestly deserves it.

That all being I'd like extend the offer for all of the people who posted negatively against him to render a solution about how to deal properly with someone MPKing you just so they turn around and sell it. I ask one small request though. That when coming up with a possible solution, please think with common sense, and rational. Otherwise I won't even bother to accept your proposal as worthy. Like I said in my earlier post if it was me who was doing this, i would have desynth'd the damn thing right infront of him. And maybe would have sunk to thier level and dragged some Raptors and Gobbies over to him as well, yea I know that is childish, but I have a job at 75 i've done end game shit, and tbh i'm super bored. And seeing this idiots squirm and having to work twice as hard to earn a living make my heart smile :)

[little ninja]

Originally posted by Macht
Heh, picked the wrong person to put such a challenge against. As for mobs killing me down there, apparently you don't know the tricks to transfering hate it's quite possible for a person to put a good army of wights on someone and get them killed.

Wights still kicked me around pretty good down there if they got to get the hate changed on to me. Which even then if I beat them I was out for a decent amount of time that someone could get argus and I couldn't do a thing about it.

Well see though, I'm sure I may be annoyed with it but I will never once resort to such a level. That's a definate promise.

EDIT:

Thanks for the post yuukei, I agree with you on what you said. I've actually tried 8 times to get a group started on my server to setup preventative measures to stop gilsellers but every time it failed, I was constantly running into people who'd complain but when I offered them a chance to participate in making a positive effort against it. Well just guess what the response was, "I don't have the time, what's fun about that?".

People complain about gilsellers messing up their fun, they given an option to try and correct this so they can have more fun in a positive aspect and yet they refuse :confused: :confused: :confused:

yeah there are numerous ways to transfer the hate. if i remember correctly, our rng did shadowbind to a crawler, an a thf near it got wacked a few times. then when it went unbound it went after the thf. bind from a mage works in the same sort of way.. an once i had a mob purple chasing me around for about 10 mins once while i was camping lizzy.. odd to cause i was afk for 10 min an never ingaged anything.. i came back to see thing thing trying to hit my ninja...

an thing is once you do it to one mob, if other link, so starts the carnage.. i aggree we must do something, but there isnt much of an option for us. yeah we can go to a camp like macht says... but can we keep this up 24/7 the way the gil sellers do no,, nor do i think doing it one or 2 days a week will effect them any. yeah we can go fuck with them in the amemet camp.. but what do we do about the other 10 camps?

"eye for an eye", or "spare not the rod from the wicked" say what you want. S.E wont do anything. if more the 50 people all claim gogoiblow has mpked them. then S.E seriously needs to keep a track on them. witness it first hand. bann them an anything related to the account of the card thats purchasing it..

[Siber]

Maybe I missed it in all the arguing, but what exactly is so wrong about a gilseller wearing an item signed by you? In no way does it make you less of a man or anything, and it would have to take a rather large fool to say "Wow.. a Gilseller is wearing that guy's named item; it's obvious that guy supports gilsellers in everything they do! He must help them MPK people too!" Bullshit, I say. You're just looking for an excuse to try to hurt them in some way.

Also, I think most of us need to step back and remember something: it's a game. Just a game; nothing more, nothing less. Entertainment is its purpose. I know most of us have invested a lot of time (and I also know many of us have spent too much time, I know I have) into the game, but that still doesn't make it more like real life, does it? So simmer down. Have the gilsellers really made the game less fun? Okay, so you may have to farm in less efficient places to get gil, so take a friend and have a good time, or take a large group of friends and just dick around the whole time. I don't know, the way I see it, MPK attempts are just another challenge to overcome that make the game just that much more interesting. Yes, death is a rather large frustration, but when you beat the MPK attempt, it's one hell of an accomplishment. But I digress.

Ivadell, how can you ask for people to come up with a logical and rational solution based on common sense when your solution is neither logical nor rational itself. You don't seem to like the idea of the gilsellers "better themselves," but can you honestly say that no one else in this game has the exact same motive? Yes, there are the people who will be like "You need help with G1 paper? Sure, why not!" and they know they'll never see the level 50 character again, but most everything in this game is done in order to better yourself. I know that what the gil sellers do is wrong, and I hate them for it, but are you honestly going to hold it against them that they want to help themselves when it is very much so human nature to be selfish (arguable, yes, but from my experience this seems to be the case). I in no way condone monopolization for gilselling purposes (gilselling itself I'm fine with, just not in the manner that the stereotypcal gilseller does it), but hell, there are players in game who MPK as well, but very little stink is made about them because they're not also an [I]evil gil seller.

[Macht]

If there really are so many that want to make such a change then with 100 could effect 1 area with each member spending only 1.5 hrs of their time with just a single person each of the 1.5hrs breakdown each week. Then with 6 again can effect an with that 6 only spending 1.5hrs, but with areas that like a lv. 75 would need 6 to control like that generally don't seem to be as big a need for them to always be a pressence there.

So they could spend 1.5 hrs there then give 2-3 reprieve and another group spend 1.5 hrs there just focusing on preventing gil sellers from doing an action that can harms others.

Preventing something like for example Argus, since it's spawn is like 12-24 hrs. have rounds going every 3-6 hrs spending just 1.5 hrs there and it would definatly reduce the chances of someone trying to link hate. If you break it down like that then in 1 week to protect that area with 1 person spending 1.5 hrs 1 time a week then you'd only need 28-56 people.

For simplicity sake well say the monitor times being 12:00, 3:00, 6:00, 9:00 (For this one needing 56 people). It doesn't mean it'll prevent any wrong doing from occuring but it does mean that there are 84 hrs each week were it's less likely. This with each person only spending 1.5 hrs and only 1 time each week picking 1 of 6 hrs time.

Get another 56 or 28 and you can guard another area. Not every single area has to be guarded either, just the apparently obvious ones were these actions can cause the most problems. Even then only has to have someone there willingly spending time either killing monsters in the area or assisting some who does happen to get a train on them.

I could try to figure out the manpower and all to ideally cover what's needed each week to prevent trouble in various areas, just I don't have the time as I'm writing this post. I can only get the general idea of it mentioned right now. Most I'd imagine would be needed is around 28-168 people per vital area (So for 10 areas about 280-1680) to give it some preventative measures.

Unless over 50% of the server is gil sellers or people in support of them, then you should have enough players always present that could take part in this. Again only having to spend 1.5 hrs a week, which I'm sure everyone playing FFXI has to play more then 1.5 hrs so that time should be nearly nothing for them in a year it's 79.5 hrs spent.

Of course as your reach lv. 75 the number of people that could assist to do such measures gets less. With those areas the best you can probably do is prevent a death or if you can identify who the target of the train is warn so they can zone, or if possible sneak/invis them so it ruins the MPK success rate.

Don't know about anyone else but I've noticed I can see pretty well when something bad like an MPK is about to happen my I'm just sitting there watching the players, but when you are the one fighting the camera fixing on the mob makes it a bit tough to see what's going on around you so someone just being present to see I'd think would be a good assist.

Like I already said though, no one seems to really care to be able to make these setups. You could even break it down by LSs, have defenders by LS and that LS just defends 1 area having a single or party protecting it for just 1.5 hrs depending on the area and protection/assistance that can be provided or is needed.

[Fockr]

Just because gil sellers camp HNMs doesn't mean anything. Especially that they arent legit players. These gil sellers just play more than we do and if they get claim on HNM, well they deserve it.
Why would you steal their harness anyway? You need to grow up and work around it. Just because they are now claiming shit you want doesn't mean they're bad people. Just try to beat them to it if you can next time and maybe then you won't have to lower yourself to the level where you're stealing from them.

[Xyphere]

Originally posted by Impaction
I don't see anything stating he recieved the traded harness or that it was signed.


Well our LS guy caught wind that the RMT has one of his signed harnesses

Thank you...

[Macht]

Still point is it's words without much backing proof of it. None of the photo's shows evidence of the gear that guy had being what that person had created. All it depicts is someone stealing a good quality item from another with a written backing story to it that may or may not be true.

The closest I can see is that the other player was asking this crafter for a +1 version. Nothing about what the guy already had being something the other crafter made, out of spite or feeling insulted that this guy would make a request to him he decides to agree to just steal the equipment?

That disturbs me because like I had already said I was accused once of being a gil seller because of the time spent in Maze of Shakrami making money in the past. So now if this crap catches on how am I to trust a crafter to make me something and not run off with it because some people still thinking I might be a gilseller. It just hurts a business practice that's more reputable and actually encouraged in the game.

[RogueWolf]

WHy u people still arguin. Wats done is done. the moron Stole the harness and i couldn't agree more with what Fockr said "These gil sellers just play more than we do and if they get claim on HNM, well they deserve it. " I hate them as much as the next person but if u want to beat them, beat them at their own game. the fact that u post pics of u jakin a scorp. harness only makes u look retarded. i bet u prolly sold that same harness at the SAME price they sell it. and if u gave it to a friend that he will eventually sell it at the same price or even more. Only way to stop the fluctuation of the prices in any server is for people to Actually go farm wat is expensive and sell it at lower prices, and i havent anyone seen that yet.

-Rogue.

[Ivadell]

/sigh, you people are idiot's. ok so this post will die. It makes no difference to me what so ever if you find that there is no proof of it being signed, or no proof of him actually stealing the harness. I don't care. simple point is this RMT was dumb enough to give his harness to a person he knows does not like him. In that point right there, anyone even if you are not a RMT deserves to have their stuff taken. Also you can try and discredit it all you want, thats fine, if you don't then conversations on these forums would be very one sided.

Oh and Macht your post on the 3rd page at the bottom, you know the one about having people man areas. Are you really that narrow minded, once more I'll say it again. GET TO LEVEL 75, AND EXPERIENCE END GAME SHIT. it's hard to get people gathered for a simple god hunt you seriously expect people to do all of what you said, maybe yea it would help, but the reality of that happening is like a govt. realizing that War is really doing more damage than good. Not enough people give a shit about RMT, hell I don't even, but the many that do care decide to take matters into their own hands. Good for them. I say keep it up, and if you need a hand send me a tell. This game is a perfect little version of how a country acts, Rich get Richer, and the poor stay poor, everyone has a bitch about wrong doings , yet no one can figure out how to solve the problem that will actually work. pretty much the US in a nutshell.

[Necro923]

What good is it going to do if you steal an item from 1 person? The rest of the world is not going to know about it, its not worth it..

[ClydeArrowny]

I'm not gonna attack or defend the OP, just gonna state something that the lower lv poeople may not know.

Now with HNMs, they pop once every 21-24 hours, some take longer to pop. You also usually have 3-8 other LSs to compete against which makes it hard to claim. Also, if you are an LS who doesnt bot, its even harder to claim. So lets say you have a 10% chance to claim it. Ok so now youve gotten lucky enough to claim it. Do the gil sellers leave you alone? No. They attempt to MPK; and as soon as the NM goes yellow, they steal it.

Now, just dont let it go yellow some may say. So, lets use Capricious Cassie as an example. He has a move called "Sweet Breath" while makes everyone who is close enough to see him fall asleep. If everyone in the ally is sleeping, Cassie will turn yellow. Now this is easy enough to counter...just eat poison potions. But guess what? gil sellers will poisona you as soon as you use one ^-^ use a stack and they poisona each one and youre out 32k gil ^^ They just keep casting poisona on you till it uses sweet breath, then claim it themselves. Keep someone out of range of sweet breath? Thats all fine and dandy...except it has such a large range you would have to run a hella long time and wouldnt make it in time to wake people. 99% of the time gil sellers will claim it before you have a chance to. So, they basically will steal it from you every and any time you camp it unless youre incredibly lucky, yet stealing it back is wrong? So, basically that means you have to let them have that HNM, which drops 2 items nothing else drops, Cassie Earring and Amity Cape. So, were forced to buy Cassie earrings and amity capes from only gil sellers for 6mil(CE) and 12 mil(AC) just because they always steal it? That or camp it with a 10% chance of winning claim and if you win claim 5% chance youll have the chance to kill it thanks to the gil sellers(.5% chance e.g. 1/200 chance[btw thats 1 kill every 200 days if you camp it every day])? IMHO thats just BS.

Simurgh? practically the same thing only his boots are 14-20 mil and his horde lullaby isnt quite as bad as CC's breath, so lower chance of it going white and higher chance of killing once youve claimed.

Its one thing if they beat you to a claim honestly...its another when they steal an HNM from you every chance they get.

[DakAttack]

Originally posted by Xyphere
Thank you...

"Caught wind" means by word of mouth. There's no picture proving it was signed, or that even he recieved the harness. Way to be an ass Xyphere.

[Caspian]

Idea: Though it would require some intervention on SE's part. I'm sure they know the spawn times of the HNM's, so couldnt they theoretically just send a GM to the spawn point for the duration of the battle and keep an eye out for mpk'ing and mob stealing. Surely they have some sort of power to get rid of mobs. Then they could just suspend the offending players and let the winning ls go on there merry way. Granted, I do realize that would require SE to put some effort into this, but surely enough letters and emails would get them off their asses and solve problems they know exist while actually putting forth very little effort.

[ClydeArrowny]

When you call a GM about it they tell you to /t every gill seller and /sh and /s as well telling them you dont need "help" from their poisona. Yeah effective.

[Caspian]

Originally posted by ClydeArrowny
When you call a GM about it they tell you to /t every gill seller and /sh and /s as well telling them you dont need "help" from their poisona. Yeah effective.
Lol, on that yer kinda outta luck unless SE ever decides to give the GM's a little more power. But if whatI was talking about ever went into effect, shouldnt that help stop getting mpk'd while fighting a hnm or something?

[Fire]

Guys, just give up on trying to explain things to the Lowbies. They won't care untill it effects them.

All you lowbies should go back to buying gil so I can sell my shit on AH for more.

[Fockr]

lol Fira..
Alright just drop it. No one likes these guys but like some poeple already mentioned, doing it to one person isn't gonna do shit but show how low you are. Oh and btw.. It isn't hard to organize God fights at all, infact, that shit gets boring from doing it so much. Just be a little quicker next time and then maybe you won't get your triggers jacked.
And no matter how real it seems, this shit is just a game so don't take these fucking forums so god damn seriously lol......... <.<;
rawr!

[little ninja]

Originally posted by Prince Caspian
Idea: Though it would require some intervention on SE's part. I'm sure they know the spawn times of the HNM's, so couldnt they theoretically just send a GM to the spawn point for the duration of the battle and keep an eye out for mpk'ing and mob stealing. Surely they have some sort of power to get rid of mobs. Then they could just suspend the offending players and let the winning ls go on there merry way. Granted, I do realize that would require SE to put some effort into this, but surely enough letters and emails would get them off their asses and solve problems they know exist while actually putting forth very little effort.

i wouldnt doubt it if they have watched 1000+ fraped movies, seen 1 billion pictures of it going on. they still dont do anything. an even s.e claiming it would not allow a monopoly of hnms, should actually act apon it..

lol "work around it". yeah man its no problem. so we claimed an hnm. got mpk'ed,wasted 3+ hours of our lives, lost exp, an 20mil+ in drops.. no biggie :rolleyes:

fackin stupid.

[bah]

Something similar happened on my server. One of the more famous RMT on our server was trying to find a Cassie earring. So a pld offered to sell one to him for 4 mil and a Durandal. RMT agreed so they traded, RMT put up his stuff, the pld put up a Bone Earring, RMT accepted. I think the RMT shouted in Jeuno for like 2 weeks that the pld was a "swindlr lier". Needless to say the pld is my hero.

[yuukei]

Point 1. Macht provided you with a solution to a problem that could actually work. There's nothing narrowminded about his plan. It's a good and logical one, pure and simple. The fact of the matter is, and the fact that I've been trying to drill into you people's heads is, despite all of your complaining about gilsellers, no one cares enough about the server to do anything about it. None of you, not one of you cares about the health of the server's economy. You only care when it affects you personally. That guy only cared about the reputation of the LS. He doesn't care about the community. None of you do. If people cared they would work together on a wide scale to do something about it. But this is just a game. It doesn't matter enough to you. So it's a waste of time coming up with any solutions to the problem, because none of you could care less.

You complain and complain and complain. And when someone comes up with an idea that could help, you rag on him because it involves work. Not only that but you (Ivadell) were already ready to blast his idea from the start. You knew you were. Because you knew it'd involve some work. And you don't have enough faith in the FFXI community to want to do that kind of work. And you're absolutely right. It's not Macht who's narrowminded for coming up with that idea. If anything he tried to keep an open mind and tried to place the determination and will to fight of the community higher than it is. He tried to allow you guys to show that you do care enough to do something. If anything those who think that the NA doesn't have it in them to do it are the ones being narrowminded. But you know what? You're still right. The fact is that high level people just don't care enough to do anything about it. They just don't. Either that or they're lazy. It's one or the other. Whichever one you choose doesn't matter. We're still all defeating ourselves.

Point 2. Don't bring something as stupid and as asanine as lowbie vs high level into this. That has nothing to do with this. You don't have to be a high level to understand what happened between that gillseller and the OP. You don't have to be a high level to have a moral opinion about this and that was what this was mostly about before. Morality. And a person's idea of morality has nothing to do with his knowledge of high end content.

And the fact that high levels can't get together is also indicitive of the fact that no one cares. You guys are a bunch of hypocrites. Just because he's lower level than you he doesn't know anything? At least he's making an effort, rather than throwing in some offhanded comment about how lowbies shouldn't talk. You don't have to be a high level to understand how gilsellers and HNMs and crap works. You guys come in here and bitch about it enough that even someone with a 3rd grade reading level could figure it out. Don't try to pretend that being level 75 gives you some kind of otherworldly knowledge about the innerworkings of the game. If you really believe that, well then you're deluded too. There's already too much knowledge and information spread out over the net to say that anymore. You've all shared your experiences with everyone here. And even though not everyone has personally experienced what you have, some of them already know what's going on because you shared that information with them. Don't explain how things work to someone and then accuse them of not knowing a thing about it. High levels themselves already gave the lower people everything they need to know about what's going on at level 75. They don't need you holding their hands forever, and you're certainly not better than them in any way, shape, or form.

Especially if you can't find a way to band yourselves together to fight off gilsellers. Gilsellers who are lower level than you have already banded together and are defeating you and inconveniencing you at every turn. No matter what you say, if you guys can't work together, there's no way you're going to win this. Gilsellers will always be a step ahead of you. Pissing off one of them won't do anything and it's ridiculous to think that it will. If you don't want to work together or if you just CAN'T because of your OWN shortcomings and lack of community, then I guess you can wait for SE to save your asses. Good luck with that.

You're right about one thing. The NA community is just as typical and predictable as always.

[Nodachi]

I have no respect for those who show sympathy for gilsellers. To me if they show sympathy for them, they are most likely gil buyers or trash themselves. I say props to ripping these fucktards off.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by yuukei
The fact of the matter is, and the fact that I've been trying to drill into you people's heads is, despite all of your complaining about gilsellers, no one cares enough about the server to do anything about it. None of you, not one of you cares about the health of the server's economy. You only care when it affects you personally.
How dare you make such a generalization. And who are you to do so?

[little ninja]

machts idea was good i will give him that. but the flaw is that you are asking players. some hardcore an some not to sacrifice there gaming time to try an stop a 24/7 operation. im sorry but thats impossible. one reason is im only on for around 2-3 hours most nights. but its just not i. its alot of players. why should i give up a 95% of my time to play the game, trying to stop gil sellers. just for me to log, an them keep at it. the other problem is they camp many things. zi tah, gustav, kuftal. an so on. its next to impossible to keep all locations under extreme pressure, an for what, as soon as we log to go to bed. guess what. there still there. third problem in doing so thins no longer becomes a game to relax me. this becomes a second job. i mean i already work 40-60 hours a week. an now you want me to police gil sellers for another 14 hours a week..

the reason why we bring in our lvl vs your lvl is for the simple reason, that players think they have a good idea of what really goes on during an hnm run/god run. why because thats what they've read. not many have exp'ed getting amemet to 1/4 of its health with only 3 guys, to see have of kuftal tunnel comming down on your ass. they havent felt that kinda frustration. an they havent lost that kind of gil profit. they havent seen 2 guys take your claim when it was half dead an called for help, and your there left helpless, as you an your alliance gets slaughtered. sure we can write about it all the time, but until your there, an your dealing with what exactly some of us are dealing with. you dont really have alot to comment on. so why do we bring it up, cause we have morons, who say simply, "work around it".

gil sellers are 75, they camp hnms, nms, regular mobs, an ive even seen them running around in sky. yeah they banned together cause they work together, an yeah they will always be 1 step above us. cause there 24/7 player operated. while people like myself are 3 hour operated. an buy your last post you are obviously just another low lvl who thinks they know whats going on...

[yuukei]

Originally posted by Nodachi
How dare you make such a generalization. And who are you to do so?

I'm making the same kinds of generalizations that high level players make towards low level players and my words are based solely upon the reactions posted in the thread and the type of remarks you get from a lot of high level players when stuff like this comes up. I don't have to answer to you or anyone else. Why not go after the people generalizing other things? About certain classes and low levels and so on. My remark was directly solely towards those who complain yet come up with excuses for not doing anything or who don't want to do anything about the issue at hand. That pisses me off more than anything else. And I did it in that way to get my point across. You don't have to include yourself in that group if indeed you aren't. I'm not so blind as to think that there aren't people who care. I spoke my words in a heated fashion, but these are my opinions and I'll speak them as I see fit, whether you approve of it or not. I'll challenge some other person's opinion if I think I need to, but never will I say that they don't have a right to voice their opinion. I'd like to know who you think you are in that respect.

Having at least have said that I will acknowledge that there may be some people out there that care about the community and their server and etc.

As for sympathizing with gilsellers. As I said before the majority of people do not do so. No one is saying the gilsellers are right. Don't sit there and try to twist "you're wrong for doing that" into "you support gilsellers". I simply don't see the point in celebrating because you performed the same kinds of horrible acts a gilseller would. And hell I'm not even saying that you shouldn't stand up for yourself and do what you want to against whatever gilseller jumps on you. If I got pissed off enough I might even do the same thing. But it's not a cause for celebration. Both acts are stupid. Stealing is stealing. MPK is MPK. Whether it's for revenge or for making sure your LS reputation is clean, none of it is something to celebrate about. And it sure as hell isn't a step towards solving a problem. If you guys want to solve your problems, giving people whom you might think are gilsellers grief is just going to cause more trouble. You should try to work together instead. I stand by that and will continue to stand by that one point.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by yuukei
Why not go after the people generalizing other things? About certain classes and low levels and so on.
Who's to say i don't? lol.

Good response though, you stuck with your argument and backed it nicely.

As for my comment about those who hold sympathy for the gilsellers. It came mainly from the first few posts following the OP. I agree as well that this isn't somthing we should post and ooh/ahh/praise about, but at the same time it disgusts me when people back the gilsellers. They are, by deffinition, criminals. They bring nothing beneficial to the game and ruin both the economy and mentality of some players.

[yuukei]

Originally posted by little ninja
an buy your last post you are obviously just another low lvl who thinks they know whats going on...

I've played this game since the NA release in Nov a very long time ago so I know quite a bit about what's going on.

Listen, I'm done arguing with you guys about this. Honestly I don't want to argue with you. I see the need to work together as a community. I used some harsh words but I used them for a purpose. Yes I believe that we can do something about things IF we really want to. Yes I believe that there are those that actually care about what's going with the way the economies are getting screwed up and the way players are getting trashed. I chose my words because people need to take note. People NEED to get together and do things as a community and work together. Don't say it's impossible because it isn't. Macht's idea was pretty flexible. You wuoldn't be doing it 2-3 hours every night. But his idea is only feasible if we can get people to listen. Hell nothing is ever going to change at all unless we get people to listen. Without that you're just complaining to hear yourselves talk. I stand by the fact that if you're not willing to make the effort and put in the the time needed then you really just don't care enough. I'm sorry but I firmly believe that.

So what if I'm lower than you? Do you honestly think that makes a difference in the grand scheme of things? Do you think that because you're a high level that this is a high level only problem and that you're the only ones that can deal with it? Why would you feel this way? The largest base of users are mid-low levels aren't they? Aren't they going to become high levels eventually? Do you think I'll be a lower level forever? Why do you want to create some kind of rift between you and lower players? If you want to make a difference, you NEED them. We can't afford to be dividing ourselves like this. Little Ninja, I empathize with all the frustration and hardships and disappointments you guys are having, honestly I do. But no one is doing anything about it. If you really think I don't know what's going on then dammit work with me. Work with everyone else. Work together. Because the way things are going now it's only going to get worse. And yeah actions like stealing from other people is a big part of making things worse. Someone is going to get caught in the crossfire. People are not going to be able to trust one another. And the gilsellers will gain even more and more ground. And no one seems to care about that.

I'm done.

[Axil]

Originally posted by yuukei
I've played this game since the NA release in Nov a very long time ago so I know quite a bit about what's going on.

Listen, I'm done arguing with you guys about this. Honestly I don't want to argue with you. I see the need to work together as a community. I used some harsh words but I used them for a purpose. Yes I believe that we can do something about things IF we really want to. Yes I believe that there are those that actually care about what's going with the way the economies are getting screwed up and the way players are getting trashed. I chose my words because people need to take note. People NEED to get together and do things as a community and work together. Don't say it's impossible because it isn't. Macht's idea was pretty flexible. You wuoldn't be doing it 2-3 hours every night. But his idea is only feasible if we can get people to listen. Hell nothing is ever going to change at all unless we get people to listen. Without that you're just complaining to hear yourselves talk. I stand by the fact that if you're not willing to make the effort and put in the the time needed then you really just don't care enough. I'm sorry but I firmly believe that.

So what if I'm lower than you? Do you honestly think that makes a difference in the grand scheme of things? Do you think that because you're a high level that this is a high level only problem and that you're the only ones that can deal with it? Why would you feel this way? The largest base of users are mid-low levels aren't they? Aren't they going to become high levels eventually? Do you think I'll be a lower level forever? Why do you want to create some kind of rift between you and lower players? If you want to make a difference, you NEED them. We can't afford to be dividing ourselves like this. Little Ninja, I empathize with all the frustration and hardships and disappointments you guys are having, honestly I do. But no one is doing anything about it. If you really think I don't know what's going on then dammit work with me. Work with everyone else. Work together. Because the way things are going now it's only going to get worse. And yeah actions like stealing from other people is a big part of making things worse. Someone is going to get caught in the crossfire. People are not going to be able to trust one another. And the gilsellers will gain even more and more ground. And no one seems to care about that.

I'm done.
well said.

[Ivadell]

I can't wait until people who play this game for profit outnumber the people who play this game for the sheer pleasure.

Yuukei, to let you know I think people who have not experienced things such as having NM's stolen mid fight and being MPK'd, generally have a one-sided view on this matter, i'm sorry if this seems closed-minded but, these aren't The Golden Bat or V emp being taken, alot of people, not just one, have put their hard earned effort into winning claims, and having them taken by people that don't deserve it. So i am better than those "lowbies" why? Because I've experienced all this first hand. Reading how to kill a God on the net is nothing remotely compared to doing in game. And you would be surprised to know that alot of low level char's don't know as much as you think. Regardless of your opinion, you are not going to justify your thoughts to me, I have learned the hard way how to handle these matters in my own hands. And I am completely truthful to people asking for advice/help whatever, GM's are completely worthless, and these certain people will attempt to kill you to get what you have. I have played numerous other MMORPG, and this one by far is the worst, I have found other intrest's now instead of this game, and I have no problem steering people away from being let down by this game. If i was one of those "i'll figure it out on my own type of people" I would be one salty motherfucker when I actually got somewhere in this game just to find out it's all a load of crap.

Ok so I have one more thing to say then I will never post on this matter again.
- All of you nieve players who think you can change the game with respect, courtesy, rainbows, and smiles. Have fun and good luck with that, wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.

[Macht]

Well said yuukei.

Little Ninja, observing level is the most horrid way to judge someone's knowledge. Especially if they are an observer like I am. I know for a fact that you don't know I've actually watched event like you described in the Amemet and King Behemoth.

I've been to many of these zone since lv. 50. I've blown over 200k in powder prysms and silent oils, just to reach those zones and see what it's like. I've even saw a BST hunting Amemet and minutes later the area getting flooded with monsters, I think I actually died on that one.

I observe how everything goes high level areas and low. The way people hunt and interact with monsters like Hoo Mjuu the Torrent is exactly what you'll see happen with Amemet. No player is willing anymore to heal or assist from the side a player that's gotten claim on a NM, the HNMs unfortunatly in refference to how they use to be for a scale of measure I only have what there is to be read.

By the time I was able to really seen an HNM fight it seemed to match very well with the trouble and problems I've seen described as of late. That method I came up I did it with my own time availablity in mind, I as well would not want to have to be in a zone manning it every time every day. Which is why what I had put required so many people and yet still the requirement is low enough that it's under 50% of the size of every server's population I've heard of.

Even further the amount of players it would take to just man an area to prevent what would be considered bad actions at any given point of time would be (going with manning 10 areas again) 60 people. In a server were you can have 3000 people at any given time that means you are only having 2% of players actually active to pevent bad actions from happening.

On my worst week I spend a total of only 18hrs, 2 hrs weekdays and 4hrs weekends. So spending only 1.5 hrs a week is only 8% of my time, that to me seems very meager almost nothing. Of course this is still all only preliminary work because of player unwilling to even give it a chance, aka closeminded. It definatly isn't planned to a point that will be an absolute solution and would need adjustment, but what adjustments is impossible to say without being able to properly apply the idea.

I am aware that if a player was present manning the area that for things like HNMs it may be met with some aggression simply because the state of how everythings gotten the group hunting the HNM would think that the person's trying to steal the HNM from them. That's how badly paranoid it's gotten that an act of good faith could be misconstrued as an attack.

Just an FYI if someone is going to call someone closeminded or openminded again, here's definitions of both so we are clear on it:

close-mind·ed adj.

Intolerant of the beliefs and opinions of others; stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas.

o·pen-mind·ed adj.

Having or showing receptiveness to new and different ideas or the opinions of others. See Synonyms at broad-minded.

broad-mind·ed adj.

Having or characterized by tolerant or liberal views.

Now I don't think close-minded fits me. Since I am offering a new idea. Close-minded is someone taking the idea and instead of really trying to work with it and find how to adapt it to work better they immediatly disapprove it. Now close-minded does fit a particular person here but it sure is not me.

[yuukei]

Originally posted by Ivadell
.....Ok so I have one more thing to say then I will never post on this matter again.
- All of you nieve players who think you can change the game with respect, courtesy, rainbows, and smiles. Have fun and good luck with that, wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.

I know I said I was done with this but I guess I'm not. I'm not asking for rainbows. I'm asking for action. I'm not asking you to treat gilsellers with respect. I'm asking you to behave like a community.

I'm not saying GMs are the answer. I'm not saying people aren't going to try to kill you for what you have. I'm saying that if you team up, just like they do, you have a better chance of succeeding. And I'm also saying that if you DON'T team up, if you give up on the game and you don't wanna fight them in a way that will actually do some real good, well then those who play this game for profit WILL outnumber the people who play this game for sheer pleasure. And that's for certain. And no amount of stealing from gillsellers or mpking them is gonna change that. All that's gonna do is cause problems between innocent players.

And wtf is hard to understand about people who spend all of their time and effort killing placeholders, and fighting to get an NM down to 5% of its health only to get mpked and their mob stolen? What's not to understand about people going to an area just to get some exp, only to be killed by gilsellers because they don't want them around their spawn points? I mean come on, do you really expect people to be so stupid as to not know how difficult and horrible and frustrating an experience that might be? Dammit if you could see the faces I'm making right now as I'm actually sitting here taking in what you're basically saying. It's all I can do to keep myself from blatantly flaming you at the moment. Do you think that a person is really that stupid? I mean I know the human race in general isn't very bright but come on, that's just BS. If I can see how horrible it is when real world actions like wars and death and babies dying and rape and all sorts of evil shit happens then I can very well understand that it's bad shit when someone mpks you repeatedly after almost a full day's worth of work trying to get an HNM. It's BS for you to sit there and claim you're better than me because I haven't experienced that crap first hand. You're basically just calling me retarded and incapable of understanding what's going on around me.

I don't even have any more words for this. I'm officially disgusted.

[Ivadell]

You're basically just calling me retarded and incapable of understanding what's going on around me.



Take that how you want. But yea I think maybe you would have a different mindset on this matter if this was an everyday occurance. And also flame me all you want, thats seems to me like it would alittle more intresting to read than what you've posted earlier. If I wanted to be lectured, i would go watch Dr. Phil.

[yuukei]

Originally posted by Ivadell
Take that how you want. But yea I think maybe you would have a different mindset on this matter if this was an everyday occurance. And also flame me all you want, thats seems to me like it would alittle more intresting to read than what you've posted earlier. If I wanted to be lectured, i would go watch Dr. Phil.

Then it's better if you go off and watch Dr. Phil because it's obvious you don't really want to do anything about the problem and you're just looking for praise and attention. And if that's the case then that's fine. You're welcome to go and search for that all you want.

[Ivadell]

seeing as how I'm not the one in the photos, i'm not really looking for shit. I made this post, because it's friggin hilarious. that's it. I didn't even think it would go this far, but hey if you guys want to drag it on, then by all means keep going, I can keep posting random bullshit as long as you can make excuses not to think this is funny. Thats all guys. also thanks for the educational post on adjectives, next time I'll just resort to calling you a dirty fist-fucker.

[Fire]

Lol

[little ninja]

Originally posted by yuukei
Then it's better if you go off and watch Dr. Phil because it's obvious you don't really want to do anything about the problem and you're just looking for praise and attention. And if that's the case then that's fine. You're welcome to go and search for that all you want.

an how do we go about solving the problem. machts idea, while it is valid. has alot of holes. how can you police an area, when gil sellers send 100+ mobs after the claimers of amemet, or aquarius. without sending around 60+ to help out. because honestly you cant. how would machts ideas work in hnm. once again youd need a vast amount of players to prevent the mpks, an even then how can you stop them from stealing a mob who went unclaimed because of that bullshit an called for help.

one of my last hnms was serket. we were all there an we lost the claim. so we sat around hoping for a d/c. or major deaths. when all of a sudden the gil selling ls came in with a shit load of mobs. so frustrated with it as i was. voked the mobs an started killing them as fast as they tried to bring it. ( mnks pawned bones all day long) everyone who was still there that was after serket jumped in to save the ls out.

the saddest part about all of this is the simple fact that it just isnt gil sellers. its other players as well. they are just as bad if not worse then what the gil sellers ever did. mobs are still held for hours apon hours. mobs are still claimed an called for help on while the other pt gets wiped out. nm's an hnms are still being monoplized. were still being mpked.

S.E just doesnt care. they are allowing this to take place at every nm, an hnm. because if they were to act. theyed be losing a ton of income from the players, an a cut of the profit ige makes. i have no faith in S.E anymore, an once im done with FFXI. i will never touch a S.E online game again.

sorry to tell you all this. BUT THE INMATES ARE RUNNING THE ASYLUM.....

[Ivadell]

sorry to tell you all this. BUT THE INMATES ARE RUNNING THE ASYLUM.....


lol going in a sig.