Best Soloer?

[Alone]

What class is the best soloer at 75? I understand that BST is the best at gaining EXP, but I mean killing high level mobs, NM, low HNMs, ect. From my understanding, there's THF, NIN, RDM, and BST.

NIN/WHM|RDM - Stronger Blind/Paralyze/Slow. Second highest evasion. Probably strongest (offensively) combo. Can't kill thing that are highly accurate? Can't kill things that have lots of AOEs?

THF/NIN - Highest Evasion. Bloody bolts to regen HP. Blind Bolts stick? Sleep Bolts stick? Ninjutsu sticks? Can't kill thing that are highly accurate? Can't kill things that have lots of AOEs?

RDM/NIN - Very strong Stoneskin, faster Utsusemi recasting/casting time. All debuffs, sleep+nukes, refresh, convert (Safe?).

BST/WHM - Extremely good if there's a lot of pets to charm, but problems if there's not enough mobs? Jugs not good enough?

[Fingus]

BST/NIN?


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[Koyasha]

I voted Red Mage, but it's a little more complex than that. BST is good in an area where there's a lot of enemies they can charm. If there's just one monster, on the other hand, or all nearby monsters are uncharmable, the Red Mage will win hands down. Some of the most amazing solos I've seen so far have been done by Red Mages in places I'm sure no BST could possibly do it. On the other hand, I would imagine that there are situations where a BST would excel that a RDM would fail at.

I also think that with enough potions, almost any class can solo a *lot* of things. It'd just be terribly cost-inefficient to do so. If a Warrior or a damage dealer were carrying say, 50 Max-Potions, they could heal 25,000 HP of damage. It'd just cost unbelievable amounts of gil to do it. Cool for someone ludicrously wealthy and bored, but not something that can be counted on for average soloing anything.

I also understand that Paladin/Red Mage is pretty good at soloing powerful mobs too, particularly after 66 where they would get Phalanx.

[Sindinista]

From fiirst hand experience, soloing with RDM is a ton of fun.

Also, is it just ironic that your name is "Alone"? XD

[Pai Pai Master]

RDM/NIN for teh win.

MNK/NIN is pretty darn cool too.

[Chroney]

BST!

[modnar]

I am not going to post because I don't think you have all the jobs that qualify to be on the "Best Soloer" list. What happened to Dragoon, Paladin, and Ninja?

[Teffie]

SMN?

They can marathon anything in the game :/

[Silkiv]

Rdms , thfs, and nins make a big deal that they solo.. Bragging or showing pictures and movies as if it's rare.

Bst don't need pt and if they said they can solo and had pics or movies that they could solo everyone would say "So what?"

Therefore...

Bst are the best solo.. they solo so much that it's not a big deal when they claim they can solo. :p

[modnar]

So true... BST should not be on this list because the question does not apply to it (because there is no doubt).

[2.0]

No BST shouldn't be on the list because they don't ever solo. They always have a pet to fight with.

[fuz]

But it's only 1 human playing a bst.

[Mephisto]

BST - obvious
SMN - can marathon just about anything there is
NIN - needs a haster to solo some of the big stuff, but can handle lost of NM's alone ;o

[Wind Adept]

Originally posted by 2.0
No BST shouldn't be on the list because they don't ever solo. They always have a pet to fight with.

Why doesn't this apply to SMN? BST gains pets through using their job abilities, as SMN gains pets by using spells. Other classes solo using their job abilities and spells as well. I don't think this is a very good reason not to include BST, although I do agree with Silkiv and modnar.

[Salurdan]

If by soloer you mean farming purposes, I may be biased but MNK is a damn good soloer. You get chakra, and with the way things usually go, you will have taken just about as much damage as your chakra can heal you for every 5 min. Not to mention our insanely high HP can keep you going for a while.Counterstance when used against Too Weak to be Worthwhile mobs is amazing, at least from my experiences, I seem to counter almost every hit from a too weak mob. :biggrin:

[sudo]

Bst does have HQ pet broths >.>

We don't necessarily always need pets in the area to solo.

Sea Horror = pwned
NM skeletons in eldemine necropolis = pwned
Avatar primes = very tough but a bst can solo it, much easier now with the merit call beast timer reduction and relic gloves if you ever get them.

Just some of the examples of stuff that bst's can solo in no pet areas.

Despot = pwned, very risky to solo but no one else can do it at all, usually 2 bst do it very safely. I have not seen any other job even attempt this.

Oni Carcass = pwned, a nin would do just as well here.

Jelly Ring NM slime, I've had friends that soloed the the ring for themselves but it took them some 3 hrs to do it.

I haven't tried to solo the NM demons like marquis alocene (sp) in castle zhavel baley's. But it's an interesting challenge. I'm curious if anyone else tried to solo that guy with another job.

I've also heard of bst's that have soloed ash dragon as well as lord of onzozo. But I don't have any proof of this though it would be a tough fight but I can see it winning.

No bst I know of has soloed serket though but I'm not sure if it was a matter of loosing claim or whatever. Bst/nin works the same here I'd guess if he packed lots of potions.

Unguar, vouyer (sp), Guvire, and bune, I don't know if they are soloable but it'd be one hell of a fight. I see potential but I haven't been that sucidial.

I think most ppl don't give courier carrie enough credit.

Which NM's can a rdm or nin solo that a bst can't?

Well mostly the highly camped NM's like aquarius not because the bst is too weak. It's mostly cause ass hats come by and steal the NM between pet swaps.

I don't know of many NM's that are soloable by a rdm/nin that a bst won't be able to as well. Anyone got a few off the top of their head?

[sudo]

Also to clear up a misconception about phalanx:

It won't save you from an EM or tougher NM.

By all tests done on the rdm forums, and personal testing, phalanx really only knocks off maybe 5-10 damage per hit.

Awesome spell for farming too weaks that hit you for something like 20 damage a hit and below. Slap on stone skin and you're good to go for a long time farming these things.

End game mobs hit for 150-200+ damage per hit. Weaker NM's will smack you for around 50 damage. (I'm not considering very weak NM's like hoo muu ju. Only considering lv 50+ nm's.)

An up to 2-10% reduction in damage is nice but doubt that will make or break you as a pld/rdm. You got 1300 hp, / 120 damage per hit with phalanx, that'd run you some 10-15 hits before you die. You got cures but not that much MP.

Better to go as a pld/nin and blink tank things. That one works much better. You see pld/nin tank fenrir. pld/rdm doesn't work as well.

[Deathguise]

I'd say it's mostly based on situation.

[Kilgraw]

Originally posted by sudo
Also to clear up a misconception about phalanx:

It won't save you from an EM or tougher NM.

By all tests done on the rdm forums, and personal testing, phalanx really only knocks off maybe 5-10 damage per hit.

Awesome spell for farming too weaks that hit you for something like 20 damage a hit and below. Slap on stone skin and you're good to go for a long time farming these things.

End game mobs hit for 150-200+ damage per hit. Weaker NM's will smack you for around 50 damage. (I'm not considering very weak NM's like hoo muu ju. Only considering lv 50+ nm's.)

An up to 2-10% reduction in damage is nice but doubt that will make or break you as a pld/rdm. You got 1300 hp, / 120 damage per hit with phalanx, that'd run you some 10-15 hits before you die. You got cures but not that much MP.

Better to go as a pld/nin and blink tank things. That one works much better. You see pld/nin tank fenrir. pld/rdm doesn't work as well.

http://www.max-evolution.com/rdmffxi.php

At my level, phalanx reduces 20 damage a hit. 75, a Rdm with 300 enhancing will reduce 30... The difference between using phalanx and not, when fighting an EM or Tough, is enormous

[Aliria]

I go for the RDM because as you can Melee the creature you can also heal yourself and do some real magic damage as well. So i find that is also the best job to fight any kinds of monsters:biggrin:

[Kilgraw]

It's all situational. Thieves/Ninjas can fight some mobs I can't fight, I can fight some mobs they can't, same goes for a Beastmaster. Every job has their weakness. Throw a ninja or thief against a monk mob, they go down. Throw a beastmaster in eldieme, there's nothing for them to charm. Throw a red mage against something that hits insanely hard, we go down.

[Jei]

If I have a choice, I'll definitely solo with Thf/Nin just for treasure hunt. What else do you solo for if not for drops?

[ClydeArrowny]

Which NM's can a rdm or nin solo that a bst can't
Well, on my server both a rdm and a thf/nin have solod behe...never heard of a bst doing that ;/

[Gman]

Originally posted by sudo
An up to 2-10% reduction in damage is nice but doubt that will make or break you as a pld/rdm. You got 1300 hp, / 120 damage per hit with phalanx, that'd run you some 10-15 hits before you die. You got cures but not that much MP.

Better to go as a pld/nin and blink tank things. That one works much better. You see pld/nin tank fenrir. pld/rdm doesn't work as well.

Actually, if a PLD has a Vermillion Cloak, and solos with a maxed skill earth staff, he can solo very well. Everytime they reach 100tp they can do spirit taker to get back lots of MP. Add in the damage reduction from the earth staff, and a jelly ring if they have it, and they have decent survivability.

[Mila]

Originally posted by sudo

Which NM's can a rdm or nin solo that a bst can't?



Special arena (burning circle, ect) mobs.

Example? Mission 5-1 :P

[Tifa]

RDM/NIN is no doubtedly the best soloer. With 3-4 levels of fast cast which reduces the recast on Utsusemi a LOT, coupled with the best Stoneskin/Phalanx to cover if shadows fall, I don't see how any other combo has better survivability.

[Fire]

Originally posted by sudo
Jelly Ring NM slime, I've had friends that soloed the the ring for themselves but it took them some 3 hrs to do it.

I haven't tried to solo the NM demons like marquis alocene (sp) in castle zhavel baley's. But it's an interesting challenge. I'm curious if anyone else tried to solo that guy with another job.

Done both THF/NIN (30~45mins for sewer syrup) ;3

I've also heard of bst's that have soloed ash dragon as well as lord of onzozo. But I don't have any proof of this though it would be a tough fight but I can see it winning.
Sounds like BS to me, I've seen how Ash dragon rips through the mobs there. There isn't enough lizards near him.

No bst I know of has soloed serket though but I'm not sure if it was a matter of loosing claim or whatever. Bst/nin works the same here I'd guess if he packed lots of potions.
THF/NIN can and has solo'd Serket

Originally posted by Tifa
RDM/NIN is no doubtedly the best soloer. With 3-4 levels of fast cast which reduces the recast on Utsusemi a LOT, coupled with the best Stoneskin/Phalanx to cover if shadows fall, I don't see how any other combo has better survivability.
Watch a rdm/nin try to solo aquarius and come back and say that ;3

[Mila]

uhhh rdm can solo aquarius w/ sleep > nuke > sleep

[Fire]

Originally posted by Mila
uhhh rdm can solo aquarius w/ sleep > nuke > sleep
Ya.... Go try to sleep aquarius and tell me how that works out for you. looooool

[kuu]

The legendary ninjas that have nothing better to do then take bets on which HNM to solo next.

Seriously with enough medicine they can do a lot.

Most NAs don't think about that, as they believe it all comes from emty pockets.

[swingfly]

Originally posted by Mila
uhhh rdm can solo aquarius w/ sleep > nuke > sleep

No but Rdm/(Blm) and Blm/Rdm solos Aqua with Gravity + Nuke.


Originally posted by Fire
THF/NIN can and has solo'd Serket

As can and has Rdm/Nin, Nin/Whm, Whm/Nin and most likely more job combinations.

The thing about this game is that most jobs can do really well solo if we use an appropriate sub and good equipment. Add Medicine to this and a Brd/Nin could probably solo for example Serket.

[Kilgraw]

Originally posted by Fire
Watch a rdm/nin try to solo aquarius and come back and say that ;3
I've seen it before actually... /Blm is ten times more effective on him though.

[kuu]

NO one said anything about the big scorp.

Nin/(whatever, usually whm) has a better chance then a thf/nin. They have other tools (yes these stuff work) besides shadows as well as 1 extra. They also do more damage then thf, have a subitle blow, and have better eqs to choose from.

Thf/nins have extra eva, and perfect dodge, but i think nin's beat them.

[Mila]

-_- gravity then... w/e... same damn thing.

not like I'm high enough lvl to try anyway D:

[Kilgraw]

Your high enough level to duo it with a Blm.

[Mila]

k now find me a blm that has the balls to try -.-;

edit: tell me if it's possible for a bst to solo SL w/o medicine @ lvl 65 :cool: