TP Bonus weapons

[LadyPeorth]

Now this new item makes a TP skill seem like 100 TP more than it normally is. So your 200TP Spirits Within is like a 300 TP Spirits Within. It caps at 300TP...but does the bonus stack with itself?

Would a 100TP skill...assuming you had the Marital Bow in ranged and Marital weapon in hand...be like 300TP skill? or would the bow's bonus only apply to its ranged attack.

By the same fact...would dual weilding the same Martial weapon produce the same effect?

[kazuri]

Are you sure about this? IMO it sounds way too overpowered, I was assuming that TP Bonus was something similar to Store TP, gaining more TP per hit...

I can't test this out myself, but I'd really appreciate it if someone else could test this out.

[fuz]

That seems like an extremely obvious exploit; so obvious I'm very sure you can't.

I'm also pretty sure that having a martial weapon like a bow in your ranged won't pass any TP bonus to your main (if non-martial) weapon, and vice versa. I doubt SE is that stupid.

[LadyPeorth]

Originally posted by fuz
That seems like an extremely obvious exploit; so obvious I'm very sure you can't.

I'm also pretty sure that having a martial weapon like a bow in your ranged won't pass any TP bonus to your main (if non-martial) weapon, and vice versa. I doubt SE is that stupid.

Shall we talk about the subligar selling for more than you bought it at?

I'm not calling SE stupid, but sometimes things are used not as they intended *cough*Utsusemi*cough*. Still it helps to have it fully tested anyway

[fuz]

I dunno what subligar you're thinking of, but I've never had that happen.

Utsusemi is a different circumstance as the application is much less direct with plusses and minuses subbing nin vs. other jobs, and very limited at utsusemi:ichi until lvl 37. For martial weapons, TP bonus when you have 100% tp is very up front and it's very obvious in its effects.

[LadyPeorth]

Originally posted by fuz
I dunno what subligar you're thinking of, but I've never had that happen.

In Tavnazian Safehold, you can buy two subligars. You could technically for a short time buy the subligar, then resell it somewhere else for more gil than you spent buying it. Spend enough time doing runs or sending subligars to mules and such and you could accumulate a decent amount of money.

Originally posted by fuz
For martial weapons, TP bonus when you have 100% tp is very up front and it's very obvious in its effects.

The obvious effects are sometimes seen through different lenses. The Asuran Fists spam before the TP fix. SE didn't see that coming and they corrected it.

I just want to know if there is a bug with marital weapons

[fuz]

In Tavnazian Safehold, you can buy two subligars. You could technically for a short time buy the subligar, then resell it somewhere else for more gil than you spent buying it. Spend enough time doing runs or sending subligars to mules and such and you could accumulate a decent amount of money.

People do this all the time with just about every item. Simple business of supply and demand. I don't see this as an expoit, bug, or even unethical.

Ashuran fists got fixed really quickly. I don't see or hear anything about the martial weapons having obvious, or any ********.

*edit* That's wierd, it got censored... :confused:

[Asurasan]

The subligar was being sold to vendors for more than you could buy it from other vendors, that was the problem.

Its not the same as buying something on the AH in one town and selling it for more in another.

It was a "bug" and they fixed it.

[ArsDraconis]

What if the martial weapon is dual wielded?

WAR and DRK have access to both the 1 handed sword and axe martial weapon.

Does this mean that if a WAR/NIN dual wield the Martial Anelace and Martial Axe, he can fire off full power Spirits Within whenever he reaches 100% TP?

[LadyPeorth]

Originally posted by ArsDraconis
What if the martial weapon is dual wielded?

WAR and DRK have access to both the 1 handed sword and axe martial weapon.

Does this mean that if a WAR/NIN dual wield the Martial Anelace and Martial Axe, he can fire off full power Spirits Within whenever he reaches 100% TP?

Or he can dual weild the Anelace or the Axe twice. The Marital weapons aren't rare so you can dual weild them. So far we've had no answers though on if the effect stacks

[iglak]

it's unlikely that the effects stack.
the effect probably only works for weaponskills used by that weapon. dunno though.

[LordBiGGs]

yea, i would assume the bonus is only on the main weapon. sub probably wouldnt effect it. so using a martial main would give tp boost, martial sub would do nothing since its not involved in ws.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

The effect dont stack i tested it not workin

[Alauna]

Correct. The "TP Bonus" applies to Weapon Skills, thus only applies to 1 weapon at a time. I have yet to see a Ranged WS that involved the Main Weapon, or a WS that involed both the Main, and the Sub.

[LadyPeorth]

Originally posted by Alauna
or a WS that involed both the Main, and the Sub.

When dual weilding, some weapon skills gain an extra hit. Rampage I believe is one of them

[CarbonFibre]

Originally posted by LadyPeorth
When dual weilding, some weapon skills gain an extra hit. Rampage I believe is one of them
Yeah I'd assume that most of the Ninja weaponskills are this way since it's assumed you'd be dual wielding and so many are multi-hit.

[ClydeArrowny]

All physical WSs that I know of gain an extra hit with dual wield.

[SelfdestButton]

You'll see a difference in TP but certainly not in damage. I'll have to check mob tp after the use of a dual wield weapon skill, but I know for fact that Viper bite (as an example) gains no extra damage from the off hand. The TP return seems to calculate the first hit as an entire attack round, which in this case is 10 TP, while not actually factoring an extra hit.

I'm told that Dancing edge is the same. 14 TP if it all lands with dual wield, 9 without and no difference to average damage.

EDIT: technically Viper bite is calculated as 1 hit, 2x damage. (shrug)

[ClydeArrowny]

With Dancing I can clearly see a diff in dmg on exp mobs between 9% and 14% TP returns for dmg.
With viper, go to qufim as /nin. Do viper to a giant while dual wielding. Then do it with only 1 dagger. The dual wield one will to about 2X as much damage cause its 2 hits instead of one. Although the second hit does less to exp mobs, it /does/ show an effect.