Food BS

[Chrisman182]

has anyone else realized that with this new update, us plds are gona go broke just by exping?

fish mithkbabobs are now like 15k a stack on asura
so i was told to switch to shallops tropicale, wich lasts 3 hours, and dosnt stack, but that is now at 5k on asura and ill probly die once or twice in that 3 hours so ill have to use it again and waste like 5k. this gayness is seriously making me consider quitting, now im never gonna get enough gil for gluttony/merc earing/whatnot.

anyone else pissed about this?

[csBahamut]

Or you can visit the NPC in Windy on the right days(or When Windy is in 1st or 2nd), and get it for 1600-1700 gil each.

[Chrisman182]

dude....... your like my best friend man, thanks a LOT.
but uh.... u know where the npc is?

[Chrisman182]

just checked like every NPC in windy....... windy is in first, anyone know where it is sold??

[Chrisman182]

cooking guild dosnt have it, that food place beside cooking guild dosnt have it. its just not there man...........

[Thoronas]

Try looking here (http://ffxi.somepage.com/npcdb/display-npc.php?npc=1108)

I havent checked but according to somepage that guy is off on the price.

[Vavara]

Sold from: Taajiji (Windurst Waters, Standard Merchant) (Price: 12762 - 13141 gil)

[Chrisman182]

O.O great
guess its back to quitting for me ><

[Vavara]

Heh, so leveling cooking and make your own food ^^

[Thoronas]

Also what about boiled crab? I don't think thats gone up in price has it?

[Vavara]

Thats probably because Crab has been nerfed quite badly. It gives like 1 VIT or something.

[Chrisman182]

yah its been right nerfed, even though it sucks now, its still gone up to about 15k from 10k

[csBahamut]

I checked the NPC myself, and it has gone up(prolly due to everyone buying it up).

What food you should use really depends on your def. All the food that adds a % now has a max cap, but some of the high level foods don't give much to lower levels. Thus, you have to find the right food for your level. Testing is still going on, but I'm sure plenty of info will be out within a month or 2. Food isn't a one item rules all anymore. Now you have to actually think to play!

[Damane]

sigh.... thank you for makeing this game even more complicated -_-

[Lodoss]

I use Shallops now, I think they much more cost effective than my old steamed crab or even chief kabob. Most of the people griping right now are people who dont experiment with different foods and find new alternatives.

I for one am glad they changed the foods, been using crab for many levels now and I was tired of it. I think as a person progresses, they should upgrade equipment, spells, etc. Why should food be any different?

[Chrisman182]

i dont care about tryin out new shit, the price isnt even that more than fish mithkas. its about how it lasts 3 hours and costs 4500.
i die alot in my pts rite now, so if i die within like an hour of using it, im out 4k, that pisses me right off

[Razoul]

Anyone have a website that describes all the changes they made to the food?

[Rhayn]

Originally posted by Razoul
Anyone have a website that describes all the changes they made to the food?

No, but I've been testing some of the various defensive foods and collected data from other sites.

Here's what I've found so far:

Boiled Crab DEF+27% Cap 50 VIT+2

Steamed Crab DEF+27% Cap 65 VIT+3

Fishkabob DEF+25% Cap 90 VIT+2

Chief Fishkabob DEF+25% Cap 95 VIT+2

Black Curry DEF+?? Cap ?? VIT+3

Shallops Tropicale DEF+28.5% Cap 120? VIT+5

The foods haven't really been "nerfed" and Boiled Crab gives more DEF+% than before the update. However, only low level paladins can get the full benefit of crab now because of the cap. As soon as I get some info on Black Curry, I'll make a helpful chart listing which defensive food you should use based on your base defense for optimal boost.

Shallops Tropicale also give DEX+1 INT+1 and MP+20, so assuming you don't die too often it really is the quintessential paladin food now.

If you do die a lot, just get Fishkabobs. They're going for 9k on Bismarck now, up from 5k. I know that's moderately cheap, but even 15k for a stack is low relative to other jobs costs since a full stack lasts 6 hours. A stack of shihei or arrows lasts a fraction of that time and costs nearly as much.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if fishkabobs don't come down in price shortly. Blue Lady and Nebinomites were fished in relatively low amounts because the demand for fishkabobs was only moderate. Now that basically all high level tanks will be using them (or Shallops Tropicale), demand is up, which means more fisherman will supply them. Just give it some time to even out.

EDIT: I personally agree with Lodoss. I like the cooking changes because it adds some variety to the level grinding and to what cooking supplies are demanded. In fact, I'll probably be one of the fishermen helping to supply Blue Lady and Nebonimites very soon. :biggrin:

[Ziguld]

Shallops cap at 100def. +4vit

If someone can find a 200-250def cap food, please let us know.

[Asherek]

Don't discount Seafood Stew.

Def: +25% HP: 20 DEX: -4 VIT: 6

[Sathington]

Yesterday, I used Shallops Tropicale (DEX+1, INT+1, MP+20, VIT+4 and 42DEF added). They are going for 6k on my server and lasted 3hours. The mp bonus is nice and the overall food effect seems to be great.

Im going to lvl up my cooking now, the variety of food makes it worth it now. And being high lvl in fishing, well I wont have to rely on the AH prices.

[Ara]

Originally posted by Asherek
Don't discount Seafood Stew.

Def: +25% HP: 20 DEX: -4 VIT: 6

How long does that last?

[Glucian]

Originally posted by Ara
How long does that last?


3 hrs. It's what I used from 67-68 in Bibiki Bay. Cost was 7k, only 4 in AH. I bought 3 of em. Went back later and the price was 8k with 3 more sold after me and 1 up.

It's a mid 80's cooking synth. I think I am going to level cooking on a mule for it unless a better alternative is discovered.

I was paying 22k for 12 hours of xp on Steamed crab. Now I pay 28-32k for those same 4 hours. Is it worth it? I dunno. But don't cry about leveling costs unless you are a Ranger :P

[Brayden]

I've never heard of a food "cap", what is this about?

[JP_Ikari]

So Boiled Crabs will only work if you're levle 50?? And beyond that you're pretty much already SoL'd?? I don't quite understand what's going on yet, but this is making me want to switch to Fishkabobs due to that level cap. Can someone explain more as to how that works?? I'm trying to understand it and since Boiled Crabs only work for 50 (with the benefits), what do you get if you use it beyond 50 (it's what I have right now, since I barely make any HQ's off Boiling Crabs).

JP

P.S. Making Fish mith's are hell to make cause of the ingredients, now wondering, um...did they also nerf the results from 12->6 like the Mith kabobs??

[Rhayn]

The "caps" are just a max defensive bonus that the food will given. For example, if you had 400 defense and used a Boiled Crab, you'd normally gain 108 defense, bringing you to 508. However, the max defense bonus you can get from Boiled Crab is 50, so it'd only bring you to 450 defense instead.

That's why boiled crab is nice for low level jobs (where there defense is 190 or less) but other foods are better for high level jobs, because they can make full use of the higher defense cap.

[JP_Ikari]

Originally posted by Rhayn
The "caps" are just a max defensive bonus that the food will given. For example, if you had 400 defense and used a Boiled Crab, you'd normally gain 108 defense, bringing you to 508. However, the max defense bonus you can get from Boiled Crab is 50, so it'd only bring you to 450 defense instead.

That's why boiled crab is nice for low level jobs (where there defense is 190 or less) but other foods are better for high level jobs, because they can make full use of the higher defense cap.

Cool, thanks for the answer Rhayn :thumbsup: .

JP

P.S. Guess time to cough up cash to make my own Fishkabobs ; ;.

[Elesirdur]

Thank you for posting this thread and all the information. I was wondering why my Defense and Vitality was so low after consuming my Boiled Crab on Monday's Onzozo training session. I wonder how attack-based foods have been modified (read: nerfed) or even magic-bonus foods?

[JP_Ikari]

Indeed Elesir, but wondering, where's a good website that has these info?? Anyone know??

JP

P.S. Since attackers primarily used Mithkabobs, and with the galkans eating raw stuff, I wonder which one got nerfed, if there is one.

[perry]

http://home.comcast.net/~firebirdjim/ffxi/food.htm

[Elesirdur]

Tried out Fish Chiefkabobs and was getting the same pre-patch effect as I was getting with Boiled Crab, with a few additional Defense points. Got the +3 Vit and extra 90 Defense, which with Defender put me up to 552 - I was in good partying form.

However, I payed a painful 25,000 Gil on that stack of fish chiefkabobs. Sure I get 12 hours of party food time, but that's a very high price to pay for food. :mad:

[Kurgan]

I'm really liking Shallops Tropicale. The fact that it lasts for 3 hours means I only need to have 1-2 with me when I go leveling. For 6k each at the Auction House in Jeuno, that's not too bad. I have a friend in my linkshell that can cook them for about 3-4k each, so I get them a little cheaper. I'm really enjoying the VIT and defense bonus but especially the MP+20 bonus. Very nice.

[JP_Ikari]

I was deciding on getting the Shallops tropicale since it was only 5k in Garuda, in Jeuno, but there was only 6 available. And since i had 34 Boiled Crabs, i decided to go exp with it. I normaly have 268 def, and with Boiled crabs, my Def was at 319 (+51 def with food) and I guess that only equates to +19% def?? The VIT increase though was 2 like what everyone already said. The crabs in Kuftal was still doing the same damage that they did to me when I was using the crabs pre-patch. I was about to switch over to Fish mith's but damn, it jumped up to 12k a stack. I guess since all this pre-patch crap and the AH fee's, it will go up in price ; ;. Anyway, I'm still going cook the crabs til i'm satisfied enough (and since I need to have the steamed ones anyway, might as well make em). But that +20mp does look too good though.

JP

[Sathington]

Originally posted by perry
http://home.comcast.net/~firebirdjim/ffxi/food.htm


According to the Japanese site, tazvanian salad would give

20HP, 20MP, 5dex, 6vit, 5agi, 4Chr, C150@600 (25%) and good for 3hours.

I think I’m going to just grab one and test it out.

[Pesh138]

Originally posted by JP_Ikari
I was deciding on getting the Shallops tropicale since it was only 5k in Garuda, in Jeuno, but there was only 6 available. And since i had 34 Boiled Crabs, i decided to go exp with it. I normaly have 268 def, and with Boiled crabs, my Def was at 319 (+51 def with food) and I guess that only equates to +19% def?? The VIT increase though was 2 like what everyone already said. The crabs in Kuftal was still doing the same damage that they did to me when I was using the crabs pre-patch. I was about to switch over to Fish mith's but damn, it jumped up to 12k a stack. I guess since all this pre-patch crap and the AH fee's, it will go up in price ; ;. Anyway, I'm still going cook the crabs til i'm satisfied enough (and since I need to have the steamed ones anyway, might as well make em). But that +20mp does look too good though.

JP

Fuck you douche!

[Lakai]

Dex+2; Vit+4;Int+1 Evasion +5; Resist sleep; and some other stuff on black curry, this is what i use for exp.

[Sathington]

Well i can confirm that Tazvanian salad does give out these stats

20HP, 20MP, 4dex, 6vit, 4agi, 4Chr, C150@600 (25%) and good for 3hours.

I was getting 105def points. very nice food.

15k for one on Titan.

[Tatsuji]

If you do any soloing with your PLD and have a mage subjob I found ginger cookies to be extremely useful. They increase your mp regen while resting making your downtime far less. I often combined them with Selbina milk, that way I have the milk's regen effect while fighting and the cookies effect while resting. I've made 19 as PLD in a matter of a week with this method.

[Weeeekujata]

My food prefence:

#1 Lemures Salad
This is simply the best food it's a HQ taco, once thing I did notice is when I tank hard hitting stuff, this reduces the dmg by a very noticible dmg. Maybe im just imagining stuff ^^

Tazvanian salad/Taco 20-25k unit /40k stack respectively
This is simply the best food overall, 20mp & hp, VIT, I've used this since lvl 55(pre patch i used fishkabob & shallops, than when the taco era came i switched to that, i also took a year break from pld 55, to lvl many other jobs ^^)

My Personal Favorite dish: Turtle soup

This is simply a amazing food. The bonys has +6 VIT(or was it 7) & 10% UNCAPPED hp bonus, so my 1620 hp + food = 1782 atm.
I dont recommend this food unless you have some koenig pieces, and your defense is going to hit 500+, but with that requirements this food help a lot in situation such as kiting, or straight up tanking many mobs. the reason why 500+ is where you hit high diminishing returns on defense, whereas vit takes a nice point where it lowers your overall max dmg curve down considerably in the right amount.

fun fact with taco+brd songs you can effectively hit 900+ defense.

[Taskmage]

Both of those foods are very expensive, though. Tacos are ~5k on Lakshmi and the NQ Salad runs about 20k. Turtle soup is good food for soloing or boosting Soul Eater or Spirits Within, but it uses Acorns and Chicken Bones, both of which are a pain to obtain and not used in many other synths, so they're typically not in stock or absurdly overpriced at the AH. Same thing goes for the Red Terrapin that give the soup its name, only to a lesser degree.

If you're interested in alternative defense food, you might want to check out the relatively new pasta recipes (http://ffxi.somepage.com/recipedb/list.php?tool=Noodle%20Kneading) that use noodle kneading. All of them give Store TP and a % bonus to max hp (though capped) and Vongole Rosso and Nero di Seppia give defense boosts as well.

I realize I'm answering ancient questions with this, but this page (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/food.php#Melee_Defense) gives a complete listing of all the commonly used defense foods (excluding the pasta) and their caps. Fish Mithkabobs can be purchased in Kazham from Nuh Celodehki at I-7 for less than 1k each. Shallops Tropicale is available from Taajiji in the Timbre Timbers Tavern (Windurst Waters F-10, top map) but only if Windy is 1st in conquest and your character is a Windurst citizen. It costs about 13k even then, which is probably more than you would pay at the AH these days.

[Weeeekujata]

Leveling cook help`s a lot, do it on a mule it pays off long term ;).

ill admit i dont have monetary problems, but ill also admit food is one thing that makes a world of a difference.


chicken bones... damn chicken bones, im lucky if i find a couple a week anywhere

[Omni]

was just passing by and the op said 15k/stack for fishbobbies was O.o... then the next person posted saying u can get them for 1600-1700 each... how is that any better?

[Crode]

As a PLD if things get out of hand i always pull hate and tell the party to zone. I'm not bragging, but if i were to buy food it wouldn't do me any good to buy it then die later. I expect to die when i go into the pt, so food really is just BS to me. Plus i'm in Valkrum ><

[eriatarka]

you wont die so easily if you use food /slap

once you get out of dunes atleast..

[Aeni]

As a PLD if things get out of hand i always pull hate and tell the party to zone. I'm not bragging, but if i were to buy food it wouldn't do me any good to buy it then die later. I expect to die when i go into the pt, so food really is just BS to me. Plus i'm in Valkrum ><

In order of expendability ...

Tank
Every other melee (Except THFs, because SE gave them flee for a reason and so like the cowards they really are, they should just look after themselves and get out of harms way)
Every other mage that do not have raise II or III
WHM

If a WHM dies first in battle, I don't say ...

"Tank, you have failed."

I say ...

"Party, you have failed."

But, just because a WHM shouldn't be dying, does not mean that the WHM shouldn't at least attempt to provide support for as long as it is feasible before getting the Dickens out of there so that you can return and raise the party.

Of course, if you're in the middle of magic aggro land, then you're screwed. {Homepoint}{Yes, please.}

[Taskmage]

As a PLD if things get out of hand i always pull hate and tell the party to zone. I'm not bragging, but if i were to buy food it wouldn't do me any good to buy it then die later. I expect to die when i go into the pt, so food really is just BS to me. Plus i'm in Valkrum ><In Valkurm your food of choice is probably Boiled Crayfish, which you can get for about 400 each at the pub in Port Sandy. Even if you die once every half an hour you're only losing about 400 gil an hour, which is easily recovered by selling even the cheapest drops off exp mobs. The rest of the time that food is giving you up to 25 more defense, more than double what Protect gives you at that level, causing you to take less damage, drain less mp off the healer, which is allowing your party to chain longer and faster and take tougher mobs, netting much more experience.

If you were higher level and using expensive food that lasts for 3 hours, you might have more of a point. The last thing you want to do is get to a party, eat your 10k Shallops or 30k Salad, then find out they're incompetant and die on the first pull and lose an hour worth of farming for nothing. In that situation I'd suggest testing the water; waiting a couple fights to eat or eating a less expensive, stackable food. When you get past 30 it won't be your role as often to sacrifice yourself for the party. Black mages get Escape at 29 that can bail a party out of any dungeon, and in open areas most parties should be able to Sleep a mob long enough to get a head start to the zone line.