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[Aerogin]

Ok, How hard do RDM hit normally?, I'm not saying RDM should be a melee class, I'm just wondering how hard they hit, thanks.:thumbsup:

[Xyphere]

That's the most vague question I've ever heard/read...

[Aerogin]

What do you mean by vauge?
I'm just wondering, what should be a RDM's Main job, to Heal or attack?:spin:


ED: Still, how hard do they hit?:confused: :handsdown Melee wise..

[leii]

umm a little lower than paladin hits?

[Deathguise]

I'd say healing over attacking. In the earlier levels we can melee alright, but the higher we get the worse we get at meleeing in EXP parties. We are more use in the back line in EXP parties IMO.

[Xyphere]

I thought you meant point wise...

We hit a little under PLD

[TheMidg]

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Wyverns outdamage you!

[modnar]

Originally posted by TheMidg
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Wyverns outdamage you!

Realy? How did you check that? Your DRG is only lvl 10, and you can't see the damage done by an other person's Wyvern...

I sometimes melee as a RDM in a party. I have a macro that switches my gear, and when I attack I switch to melee gear. STR, DEX, and ATT. It can be fun if you know your job well and you know that it is appropriate given the circumstances (ie: not to do it as a rule).

Don't forget that we have B for our sword rating, which is almost the same a Warrior gets for Sword, G.Sword, etc. So you are not horrible at but actualy decent.

Now about the damage being less that a PLD, I am not sure. I sometimes hit the same amount as a PLD. Not a rule that I hit less, but it does happen.

[Apple Pie]

DRK, PLD and WAR are able to have access to some of swords with higher base damage and DPF (damage per frame) that we, RDMs, are not. Therefore, it is obvious that they outdamage us.

Basically in XP PT, we usually eat INT/MND+ foods while attackers eat atk+ ones. PLD eats def+ foods and PLD50+/WAR25+ uses Defender. That's why it looks as if we did the same as PLD did. However, take a look at them when you go farming. They farm too weak mobs about 1.5 times as fast as we do due to better weapons and stronger WS such as Vorpal and Swift Blade.

WAR has exactly the same skill for sword but when they are working as attackers, they use Aggressor, Berserk and Warcry. 95% of RDMs in XP PT sub either BLM or WHM and we don't have access to those JAs. What is more, WAR has some nice gears that boost both accuracy and attack like Haubergeron (Accuracy +10, Attack +10). Except for Assault Jerkin (Accuracy +3, Attack +18) and Enhancing Sword (Accuracy +8, Attack +16), we have nothing like that. If we concentrate on accuracy, we aren't able to get enough attack and vice versa.

Therefore, we're behind PLD and WAR whatever sub jobs we choose. Well, don't be disappointed. We have some nice tools to make up for the gap.

[little ninja]

at lvl 49 i was watching the 2 sword weilding rdm hitting in the mid teens in garliage citidel (sp?) most those times he was either missing with one, an sometimes both. as i was hitting in the high 20's, low 30's.

as a rule i dont care if they melee with me, when they just want to cap there sword. otherwise id rather have them in the back keeping everyone refreshed, the mob debuffed, an dispelled, an add a secondary nuke/cure when needed.

i seen alot do the melee an fall behind on the other stuff. sadly i havent seen a super rdm yet, who can handle everything all at once, :(

[Kafeen]

Originally posted by modnar
Realy? How did you check that? Your DRG is only lvl 10, and you can't see the damage done by an other person's Wyvern...
He's right though. MY DRG is 53 and my RDM 57. When I'm farming in similar areas my Wyvern hits for about 70 damage, my RDM hits for about 50. In exp parties it probably about 20-30 vs ~10.

[Aerogin]

Thanks for the responses, Just thinking what would be good for subbing NIN?, Other then THF..


thanks:spin:

[Sepukku]

Yeah we don't hit the base damage as much as a WAR or DRK, but a WAR or DRK cant add Damage Spikes to himself, add Elemental Damage to his swords, Haste himself, Cure himself, SLeep links, Reduce damage taken to him to 0, Enfeeble the enemy, etc....

[modnar]

Originally posted by little ninja
as a rule i dont care if they melee with me, when they just want to cap there sword. otherwise id rather have them in the back keeping everyone refreshed, the mob debuffed, an dispelled, an add a secondary nuke/cure when needed.

i seen alot do the melee an fall behind on the other stuff. sadly i havent seen a super rdm yet, who can handle everything all at once, :(


I sometimes do. :p
I have macros that do me a lot of good, I jump in and out of Melee during 1 fight. I engage and disengage as needed even if the mob is not dead. (Just because I started hitting it does not mean I stay there until it is dead).

I noticed with RDM, you act the best when you don't lean only in 1 direction. Some people that melee forget their other duties because they feel trapped and don't disengage when they need to.

For me, when I draw my sword it is like me casting a spell: do it, get done with it and do the next one. All in the loop of duties that need to be done.

Be wise with what you do and ensure you are doing the best for the party's interest. That is what being dynamic is all about.

[Darkedge]

Originally posted by modnar
you can't see the damage done by an other person's Wyvern...


I thought you could, if you didn't filter out actions performed by others.

Yeah we don't hit the base damage as much as a WAR or DRK, but a WAR or DRK cant add Damage Spikes to himself, add Elemental Damage to his swords, Haste himself, Cure himself, SLeep links, Reduce damage taken to him to 0, Enfeeble the enemy, etc....

But WAR and DRK aren't support mages so why would they, thats like comparing WHM and NIN :o

I haven't partied with an RDM who was able to melee well, but if modnar has a way that allows him/her to melee it can work, just note modnar isn't full time battle mage but does focus on the RDM role primarily-dynamic versatility.

So many things in this games are entirely situational that RDM will never have to melee 100% or not be allowed to melee, as for every occasion there's an exception.

[Sepukku]

quote:Yeah we don't hit the base damage as much as a WAR or DRK, but a WAR or DRK cant add Damage Spikes to himself, add Elemental Damage to his swords, Haste himself, Cure himself, SLeep links, Reduce damage taken to him to 0, Enfeeble the enemy, etc....

Im talking about farming+soloing Too Weak and Easy Preys. Just about everyone my level cant outfarm me except DRGs and THF/RNG and RNG/THF.

Edit: Oops, also meant to quote the "But WAR and DRK aren't support mages so why would they, thats like comparing WHM and NIN" line

[Coinspinner]

If a RDM want's to damage an IT mob... he's got nukes. :o

Silly sword-mages. :p

[modnar]

Silly sword mages? lol. I guess if you compare us to actual sword weilders. :p

But how bad can it be? I have a macro that switches me to my sword, and changes my equipment so that I have +2(or so) STR, +4 DEX, +8 ATT, and +15 accuracy. This is of course after I have done my job of Dia, Gravity, and -AGI (BLM spell), so I would not be missing any more than a normal DD in the party normaly.

Sure I can nuke instead, but I need the MP for an upcoming Refres/Dispel. Sure I can rest, but I will get up to cast soon. Sure I can back-up heal, but I can do that and swing my sword at the same time anyways (Attack is done automatically). Maybe I can stand a bit until the moment is right for what ever needs to be done next, or I can pull out my sword and give the mob a few wacks with no penalty to my MP or duties.

So far, I have not found a clear-cut cycle of things that I do. I am always evaluating and re-evaluating my actions depending on the battle situation (mob, party members' HP and MP, enfeebling state, chain number, etc, etc).

I say keep that head clear and always think not only "outside of the box", but without a "box" AT ALL.


PS:
Ok, this is seperate from what I was saying about melleeing:

how many RDM thought of sleeping/pulling the next mob on the chain since the mob at hand is almost dead? Its the pullers job right? But if you arrange it, you might be doing the puller a favour b/c he can use the extra time to damage and kill the mob at hand (THF and RNG are usualy pullers right?) Its something that is there and up for the taking! :thumbsup: Not only Jack of all trades,but multitask all the way!!

[Deathguise]

^^My fear of that would be the mob buffing itself, or the Refresh cycle having to be started again, or having a small amount of MP and needing those precious ticks before the mob dies to keep me going until Convert is back up.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea though. :D

[vampiracarb]

LOL, this is the silliest thread I read in a long time....well since I last read the flame/whine DRG forum.

Ok, How hard do RDM hit normally?, I'm not saying RDM should be a melee class, I'm just wondering how hard they hit, thanks.

Come on dude, no way your serious.
Friggin...such a vague question the best answer to give you is go play rdm and go get hit!

[TheMidg]

Originally posted by modnar
Realy? How did you check that? Your DRG is only lvl 10, and you can't see the damage done by an other person's Wyvern...

Wow, you sure know how to prove a point :rolleyes:

How is the fact that my DRG is level 10 relevant? And yes you can see damage from other people's Wyvern's...

Good job :thumbsup:

[modnar]

Originally posted by TheMidg
Wow, you sure know how to prove a point :rolleyes:

How is the fact that my DRG is level 10 relevant? And yes you can see damage from other people's Wyvern's...

Good job :thumbsup:



I had a point? :confused: Was that supposed to be a flame?!

I had a question and a comment. "Realy? How did you check that?" was the question, and the comment "Your DRG is only lvl 10, and you can't see the damage done by an other person's Wyvern..." was to point out the origins of the question...

And frankly the others did the job of addressing my question and backing up your comment much better than you did...

Don't read too much into comments like that. Sometimes people are not saying things to be sarcastic, but are actualy being sincere. :thumbsup: