Dragoon: PT role?

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I am not a big fan of DRG. This is not a thread to flame drg's but.. What is their purpose in PT's. Can someone inform me of one? Thanks!

[Kuaiffxi]

leech xp

[Kafeen]

Originally posted by Kuaiffxi
leech xp Idiot.



They're damage dealers. As aswell as their high STR and high damage lances their Wyverns are also capable of decent damage. Although thier damage isn't very good on bones, like Ranger's they use piecing weapons and specialise in flying and soft targets.

As well as this they work as good trick buddies for thives. Not only can their weapon skills easilly chain with thieves to get distortion, very useful on alot of commonly fought mobs, but they can high / super jump when required to reduce their hate allowing the tank to take control again.

[Coinspinner]

DRG is one of the better melee DD till lvl 60, where they really start to miss out on the better equipment other melee DD get, but is still good until 65, where other DD get better WS for their position in the lvl 3 SC, or just have better DoT or functionality. DRG function as a Distortion opener and mob-turner for Thief's SATA until level 65, then they open Light for DRK and THF (though by now, they may have difficulty turning the mob.)

[Rogan]

They are there to deal damage and do a little hate shifting. They deffinitely are one of the better DD until 60, imo better than mnk drk or war. Them missing out on haubergeon and such is a big downfall. What people have said and this is really true, is others miss out on what the wyvern does. Normally about 600-800 damage a fight, where I might do 2200 a fight and a drk/mnk/war 60+ might do 3k a fight. So if you add that up it can come quite close. I remember a whm had a parser log in my party before 60 maybe lvl 57 or so, my wyvern outdamage the pld and rdm combined on some fights (mostly when they didnt use spirits within) and I outdamage the mnk and drk. 50+ with a thf in the pt they can be a big help as far as sata goes, they can be a sata buddy and leap the hate away with super jump, or try to pull it away from the tank so the thf can sata the tank and then you can lose it with super if necessary. This works with /thf 60+, however like someone said it might be harder 60+ to get it away from a tank.

[GSDragoon]

Originally posted by Kafeen
Although thier damage isn't very good on bones

I would argue about that.

[Mephisto]

Originally posted by GSDragoon
I would argue about that.

too bad thats on a weak mob, with a WS that absolutely blows without 300tp. I can do more than that as my PLD with that WS on those.

[Coinspinner]

One thing I do hate about DRGs... is how they jump away the hate when Trick Attack is used on them.... the mob always comes for me. Even at lvl 70 they do that crap... I'd rather see Sneak Attack fail than take 1k damage MB worth of aggro to the face. -_-;

[GSDragoon]

Originally posted by Coinspinner
One thing I do hate about DRGs... is how they jump away the hate when Trick Attack is used on them.... the mob always comes for me. Even at lvl 70 they do that crap... I'd rather see Sneak Attack fail than take 1k damage MB worth of aggro to the face. -_-;

Your tank must suck then, or your nuking too much. I do that all the time mid fight. Distortion SC on me, high jump hate, turns back on the PLD, 800 dmg MB, hate stays on PLD...

Or the DRG could be smart and get Barone gear for +emnity and provoke+ WS so the THF can SATA + WS on the tank.

[Coinspinner]

Nah, this is on fights with a SC, so it's either at the start (silly PLD voked instantly as it was brought back ._.) or I've just rested till the SC was ready and cast Choke or whatever. In all fairness, the DRG would have more hate on him (his WS, + THF's WS + SC) and only vaguely better defense, worse if Berserk is up, but it's still annoying when it happens. Takes more than a voke and flash to peel either hate, one of us is gonna take some lumps, I'd rather it was the guy with better evade and HP. ><;

[GSDragoon]

Like I said, your tank sucks. Have the DRG provoke first and SATA on the PLD, then when SATA timer is up again, the THF can safely SC on the DRG and he can jump the hate away.

[Ian112]

I find it funny that ou try to stick up for the damage quote vs. bone mobs by showing a screen shot using 300 tp against a weak ass mob :mad:

[Kiaza]

What a lot of DRG's fail to realize there is around 2 to 3 lance weapons, correct me if I'm wrong, with a hidden "blunt" type effect. So the argument with weak versus bones shouldn't be an issue.

[Khaeos]

Originally posted by Kiaza
What a lot of DRG's fail to realize there is around 2 to 3 lance weapons, correct me if I'm wrong, with a hidden "blunt" type effect. So the argument with weak versus bones shouldn't be an issue.

Exactly. One of them is called the Bourdanasse, and with its attack at 84 and Hidden Effect of Blunt Damge, dragoons would match if not surpass monks on damage with bones. Don't believe me? I've seen it done.

Dragoons are Damage dealers, plain and simple. They are also a prime SATA shifter. Dragoon provokes first, then thief SATA's off PLD to put the hate squarely on the PLD. From there, as in my case as I normally play a DRG/THF or DRG/WAR, I would do my own SA, or the thf can do SATA off me and the mob wouldn't move much.

Dragoons is one of the most under-appreciated jobs I have ever seen. I can deal damage equal to a DRK at my level (I'm not going to argue about whether or not its true. I used to be in an spt with a well equipped DRK), as well as WAR. MNK and RNG may be the only classes I admit to out damaging us. But yet so many people don't give them a chance, they just sit there and follow people who say DRG's are bad like mindless sheep...which they are.

Anyway, I'm not here to start a rant....so to any people who may decide to argue or try and flame the DRG job again, keep it to yourself.

[Ian112]

You can deal the same damage as DRK? The only reason people say this is because DRK put them selves above all , when in fact their damage is not too special. If there was no such thing as souleater/last Resort MNK/DRG> DRK easily.

How easy is it for a DRG to get his/her hands on one of those blunt type weapons... if it were easy then there would be no Bitchin' Drgs that whine all the time in this forum.

Please PLEASE stop complaining about DRG it is better than you all think, just because it doesnt comprare to some jobs (which are basically more expenisive too) does not mean that this whole DRG forum should be rant infested, because i want to learn and see chat about DRG strategies... not faults and setbacks.


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[Khaeos]

Originally posted by Ian112
You can deal the same damage as DRK? The only reason people say this is because DRK put them selves above all , when in fact their damage is not too special. If there was no such thing as souleater/last Resort MNK/DRG> DRK easily.

How easy is it for a DRG to get his/her hands on one of those blunt type weapons... if it were easy then there would be no Bitchin' Drgs that whine all the time in this forum.

Please PLEASE stop complaining about DRG it is better than you all think, just because it doesnt comprare to some jobs (which are basically more expenisive too) does not mean that this whole DRG forum should be rant infested, because i want to learn and see chat about DRG strategies... not faults and setbacks.


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Someone with intelligence! I rarely see it here on the forums, sadly enough.

Bourdanasse is a lvl 70 weapon, but there are a few lower level weapons that are blunt. I can take a look around and see what I can dig up. Also, leveling up staff is also a worthwhile quest. We have an A or A+ in lance, and a B (or it may be C) in staff, which is not at all bad.

[mccoulick]

If you have a DRG that can't pull the hate from the tank for SATAWS then he sucks. I have no problem with that. Once again people come with bone arguement which is totally stupid because if you are a DRG even with a blunt lance the only reason to go to KRT is that you don't have sky access, well than get off your ass and get it because it is A LOT better than KRT. KRT is not good unless you have a MNK if not 2. Bones are hard to kill, have more than one annoying AoE attack and the place is crowded. Why would you choose that over fighting weapons or golems in sky?

[Kailea]

yeah I am a DRG/THF, and it take forever to get a PT at level 46, and it is because of the mindless morons that say DRG blows....but when I do get a PT, I show them everytime in amazment that I do not suck ^.^

I am leveling up Staff for undead just incase...but I would rather have a Blunt Polearm like Bourdanasse, so if anyone can give me a list or show me where there is a list of all the hidden blunt effect polearms :p I would be so happy ^.^

[GSDragoon]

Originally posted by Ian112
I find it funny that ou try to stick up for the damage quote vs. bone mobs by showing a screen shot using 300 tp against a weak ass mob :mad:

It was doing 800+ consistantly to Tough coffer mobs in Eldieme. Not super great, but definatly not shabby at all. I would tank every time I would do that.


Originally posted by Ian112
How easy is it for a DRG to get his/her hands on one of those blunt type weapons... if it were easy then there would be no Bitchin' Drgs that whine all the time in this forum.

I picked up a heavy lance not too long ago. My comments here:
http://ffxi.cogn.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49456 The lv70 one is about 400k.

IMO, the Heavy Lance isn't as good as a leveled staff. For the lazy DRG's out there, ya, it's going to be much better.

[Thegod]

kaz nice sig, i love that series, kazuma fights in the most off the wall fashion...

coin is a very good blm, he's given me great advice to help me blast my BLM to level 60, im not trying to discredit you, but coin knows what he is talking about.

I would also like to know more about this hate shifting, as a former full time DRG basher, i have opened up to the drg


i saw a stat para showing a drg outdamaging a RNG (my current job) thats wut cause my turn around and opened me up to inviting more drgs(theres always one seeking no one wants to invite them.


so sata , thf scores critical, 400 dmg onto pld, where does the drg come in to all of this??? I mean me as the rng , my thf friend is quick, we can sata SC off the pull with pericing to viperbite....


i dont get why a drg would be better, and yea assuming 6 shadows is more then enough time to set up sata (it is even with double attacking mobs)

[LadyPeorth]

DRG is the trick parnter and damage dealer. They can do massive damage, shed all the hate of a SATA+Dancing Edge/Shark Bite if there is a thief present. Mostly however...DRG is meant to stab the thing till it falls down dead...unless they're subbing a mage job as has been explained by others

[Elsurion]

Originally posted by Ian112
I find it funny that ou try to stick up for the damage quote vs. bone mobs by showing a screen shot using 300 tp against a weak ass mob :mad:

And he uesed a Staff Type Weapon, which is better vs. boneys.

[Kibagami]

But you know that WS he used has a 5x damage mutiplier just like sidewinder. In my expirience using WS on too weak or ep mobs when they are low in life will show less dmg than when using it against normal xp mobs. I'm not going to argue if staff is actually good since i don't use them at all but i will say that a 5x damage multiplier is an interesting thing to mess around with.

[Mila]

I think drg's role is relatively hate-free DD... they make Warrior, Samurai(and even RDM :p) tanks more viable IMO. They are all but obsoleted in standard pts tho :(

[kissboys]

KRT sucks so getting a blunt spear is kinda pointless for xping. Even then since the effect doesn't work with WS it still messes up DRG. It doesn't matter anyways since in the endgame every other class performs better on gods and HNMS (not serket or other pussy solo ones). Wheeling thrust just plain is the worst WS they could have given DRG