So my HNMLS was discussing Tonight...

[Psymerga]

On how should Kirin's Osode be handed out, based on jobs and of course, seniority...can't give an osode to a newbie that just joined the first day, of course.

Looking at its stats, we all got into an argument, but it was basically the top 3 priorities being bard, monk, and ranger...

though I think, 1 war and I think 5 ninjas wanted the osode too...how does your HNMLS hand out osodes? Are they any useful for Samurai or BST? Thanks for your imput.

[{Pug}]

Bard?

[ZQM]

It's the most useful for MNK, they take the most benefits out of it's stats.

BRD it's not really useful for. Errant has the same +mages stats except for the MP, AND it has -emnity.

NIN it's really useful for, since Scorpion Harness isn't that good at 75. High DEF, AGI, and VIT is very useful for tanking HNM.

RNG it's decent for, expecially for WS.

SAM it's only useful for on WS.

WAR it's useful for WS, and when def-tanking a mob where you don't want the -STR -DEX from Koeing.

BST mostly only useful for WS. Good for charm also, however it should be given out to classes on reason that help out the LS, and a BST almost always uses a jug.

So I'd say MNK > NIN > RNG > BRD > WAR > BST > SAM.

[Corrado]

I'd say priority nin > rng > mnk.

Other jobs in whatever order.

Its by far the best piece of body equip for nin & rng.

[Bladers]

rng > mnk > nin

[Demetrios]

The Osode should be given to MNK & RNGs first assuming they are deserving. Both of those classes will wear the Osode during major HNM, while NIN would not. NINs fighting Kirin or KB (basically the two major things we are able to tank/kite well) should not be wearing the Osode, but rather an Arhat Gi(or+1) to keep hate. Basically it's a status item for us NINs, our Scorpion Harness +2. I enjoy mine but I am leveling up RNG now so that it will be put to real use for my HNMLS rather than remaining a trophy.

[Fire]

RNG > MNK > NIN > WAR > SAM

How ever my LS uses a point system (DKP) for Items where as item goes to person with most points and its for there mainjob~

[Seoul]

Kirin's Osode is useful for ALL jobs that can equip it. The question of how useful it is for each job, is open for debate.

That armor should be given to the oldest and most active members of the LS that can equip it and wants it, regardless of their job.

[zorca]

I don't see why a mage will find Osode as useful as melee jobs such as mnk, nin or rng.... Giving it to anyone regardless of their job is such a waste of the Osode imo. It's like giving defending ring (from KB, damage taken -10%) to a DRK or BLM saying that the -10% dmg reduction is useful when they get hit :P

[Demetrios]

The only mage job who can get the Osode is a BRD... I don't see where you're coming from. Anyway, BRD does make use of the stats from it (30 MP, 10 CHR, and a feeling that they can acutally get something cool out of HNM.)

[zorca]

For +10chr u can get that from Earrant body.... the 30mana is nice to have, but it's definitely not that useful compare to the other stats like +10str to melee jobs imo. It is true that brd rarely gets cool stuff from HNM/gods, relatively speaking ; )

[Caspian]

smn>blm>whm



:P

[CarbonFibre]

Samurai of course ;)

[Mephisto]

the extra def from osode helps when a bard does sleepga

[Ziguld]

Chr isnt the only important stat off the Osode for bard. Whatever it is, Osode makes Finale, Elegy, and Threnody land more often and last longer.

[ganhosi]

the osode is a status symbol, people wear it in towns and take it off for fights mostly.
stats wise its not all that great, scorpion harness, most cursed gear owns it
In my HNMLS we distribute the loot with a point system, personally I think rng's would most benefit from it, since they cant wear SH or haubergeon/hauberauk etc...

[sudo]

depending on the area a bst actually will need the +10 chr quite a bit.

For the optical hat mob room, a bst needs to charm VT hecteyes constantly or use their 2hr ability to actually contribute to link control.

The 10 chr actually will help a lot. But yes, for situations where bst is used as a DD with other jobs mixed in, the gear probably benefit mnk or rng more since bst can wear haubruk.

If you want to use bst fore agro and add control 10 chr goes a long way espically if you have to recharm. There's not much else better a bst can wear in the body slot for charming. Blows the af body and JSE body out of the water for chr.

A bst can't use errant so if it was down to bst and brd I think the bst needs it more. Also for everyday exp solo use say for merit points, a bst has a much greater need for chr than a brd. Failed charm = death at higher lvs. Even one failed charm can instantly kill you within 10 seconds.

A brd in pt even if with higher resistance to their songs vs exp mobs can always just try again. It's not life or death if elegy lands. It helps a ton but it's not instant death for the brd or tank.

[CarbonFibre]

Originally posted by sudo
depending on the area a bst actually will need the +10 chr quite a bit.

For the optical hat mob room, a bst needs to charm VT hecteyes constantly or use their 2hr ability to actually contribute to link control.

The 10 chr actually will help a lot. But yes, for situations where bst is used as a DD with other jobs mixed in, the gear probably benefit mnk or rng more since bst can wear haubruk.

If you want to use bst fore agro and add control 10 chr goes a long way espically if you have to recharm. There's not much else better a bst can wear in the body slot for charming. Blows the af body and JSE body out of the water for chr.

A bst can't use errant so if it was down to bst and brd I think the bst needs it more. Also for everyday exp solo use say for merit points, a bst has a much greater need for chr than a brd. Failed charm = death at higher lvs. Even one failed charm can instantly kill you within 10 seconds.

A brd in pt even if with higher resistance to their songs vs exp mobs can always just try again. It's not life or death if elegy lands. It helps a ton but it's not instant death for the brd or tank.
This sounds pretty good. Also keep in mind that BST can melee as well, so that STR and DEX + will help in that area as well.

[Fire]

Originally posted by sudo
For the optical hat mob room, a bst needs to charm VT hecteyes constantly or use their 2hr ability to actually contribute to link control.


At Lv75 (req for Osode) the hecteyes are only decent challenge - even match so thats pretty untrue, and yes I know you were just using it as an example :P

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by ZQM
It's the most useful for MNK, they take the most benefits out of it's stats.

BRD it's not really useful for. Errant has the same +mages stats except for the MP, AND it has -emnity.

NIN it's really useful for, since Scorpion Harness isn't that good at 75. High DEF, AGI, and VIT is very useful for tanking HNM.

RNG it's decent for, expecially for WS.

SAM it's only useful for on WS.

WAR it's useful for WS, and when def-tanking a mob where you don't want the -STR -DEX from Koeing.

BST mostly only useful for WS. Good for charm also, however it should be given out to classes on reason that help out the LS, and a BST almost always uses a jug.

So I'd say MNK > NIN > RNG > BRD > WAR > BST > SAM.
I stopped paying attention to anything you had to say once you said only good for sam during WS and Errant is close to same quality for BRD.

You. Have. No. Idea. How. Much. It. helps. Those. Two. Jobs.

ANYONE who claims Haubergeon +1 is better than Osode for SAM either doesn't want a SAM to get an osode, or simply hasn't tried it themself/seen it. Errant? WTF? Errant is trash, yeah it has +10 CHR, but as a good BRD, you're gona get hit periodically and the -10 agi, -10 vit get you absolutely destroyed. Stats going for BRD on the Osode: 10 CHR sure, 50 light elemental (you'd be suprised). +10 MND, +10 VIT/AGI (incredible for BC situations or when shit hits the fan in EXP situations). And the bit everyone seems to forget, the 30 MP. Now i know MNKs, NINs, and even RNG desire MP and all but... yeah. Errant should only be used for recovering MP imo. I'd rather use minstrel coat over Errant in nearlya ll situations. You should have enough petty +CHR from other equips to even need it from Errant.

I agree that MNK NIN RNG are all good canidates though. Our LS divided BRD and RNG with top priority, however a MNK and NIN have received one as well. BRD/RNG/NIN all kind of a toss up for priority in aiding the LS. It's incredible for MNK, WAR and BST as well but unfortunately they just don't contribute as much as the previous jobs. Well WAR does, but they can rock Adaman Hauberk.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by zorca
For +10chr u can get that from Earrant body.... the 30mana is nice to have, but it's definitely not that useful compare to the other stats like +10str to melee jobs imo. It is true that brd rarely gets cool stuff from HNM/gods, relatively speaking ; )
Every JP HNM LS funded BRD the Osode first >.>

[ZQM]

You seem to misunderstand. I was talking on pure end-game material, and pure benefitial to the LS. It should go to the jobs that benefit the LS more, not to what job it benefits more.

Originally posted by Nodachi
ANYONE who claims Haubergeon +1 is better than Osode for SAM either doesn't want a SAM to get an osode, or simply hasn't tried it themself/seen it.

And what exactly does Osode going to offer over Haub+1? Please tell me how 4 DEX and 4 STR are going to be better then 12 ATK and 12 ACC when you're fighting something that everybody has trouble hitting. Also, all the important SAM WS modifiers are STR, so the other +stats aren't going to be helpful.

Errant? WTF? Errant is trash, yeah it has +10 CHR, but as a good BRD, you're gona get hit periodically and the -10 agi, -10 vit get you absolutely destroyed. Stats going for BRD on the Osode: 10 CHR sure, 50 light elemental (you'd be suprised). +10 MND, +10 VIT/AGI (incredible for BC situations or when shit hits the fan in EXP situations). And the bit everyone seems to forget, the 30 MP. Now i know MNKs, NINs, and even RNG desire MP and all but... yeah. Errant should only be used for recovering MP imo. I'd rather use minstrel coat over Errant in nearlya ll situations. You should have enough petty +CHR from other equips to even need it from Errant.

Again, it should be going to a class for reasons of LS gain, not self gain. All of the points you brought up our for self-gain. BRDs to get a lot of hate in events, and that's where the -Enmity would be beneifital; +AGI and +10 VIT isn't going to help you much in a situation when you pull hate then.

However, the BRD in my LS has been landing more debuffs and they have been lasting longer ever since he got Osode, so it is supperior to Errant. ;)

[tnt118]

My opinion has always been that while Bards maybe shouldn't be choice #1 for who recieves the Osode, they should be on a *very* short list of those who do get it.

[Nodachi]

Have you not began to notice yet that around level 69 or so +attack doesn't seem to effect your damage output much? I dare you at 75 to just take your haubergeon off completely and tell me the damage difference. Acc is still nice, i'll give you that, but optical + snipers is more than what you should really need. I mean, you can't expect to always land hits on Kirin, it should just be expected that you'll miss a lot regardless of equips.

In end game i'll take +STR over attack anyday. Keep maybe amemit +1 on for some +attack but +STR helps your regular attacks and WS so much more than the petty +attack from equips.

You act as though +4 STR and +4 DEX is petty at that level, but when you've already maxed it out in every other equip or through merits, any additional + you can get that others may not have (such as from osode) is priceless and will tack on that much more damage or even up that much more of a chance for a critical attack. These stats are also going to contribute more to your SATA'd WSs you may be doing as /thf much more than +ATK or ACC will do, and that aids your LS tremendously.

Sam have great evasion going for them, but unfortunatly through the standard "Good equips" such as haubergeon, the - evasion dampers it. With Osode, not only do you ditch the - EVA, you gain the +10 AGI, helping cut down on times you get hit and or receive critical hits.

Quick note on errant, if enmity is really your problem, just cap out -enmity in merits and that should be plenty for most scenarios.

[ZQM]

Again, your bringing up either points for self gain instead of LS gain or not endgame material.

Originally posted by Nodachi
You act as though +4 STR and +4 DEX is petty at that level

Hitting once more then makes up for 4 STR, and 12 acc will make you hit more than once. You said yourself that you you'll miss a lot regardless of equips. The added damage on normal hits of 4 STR doesn't mean anything if you can't the mob. And yes, adding 12 ACC does make a huge difference. If I take of snipers/haub/whatever, I notice a big dip in accuracy (and this is coming from a class with a +accuracy move).

These stats are also going to contribute more to your SATA'd WSs you may be doing as /thf much more than +ATK or ACC will do, and that aids your LS tremendously.

I stated (twice infact) that it's use was for WS.



So you would honestly use Osode when fighting Nidhog/Kirin/whatever over Haub+1 when buildling TP?

[zorca]

but as a good BRD, you're gona get hit periodically and the -10 agi, -10 vit get you absolutely destroyed.

As a good BRD, u shouldnt get hit periodically lol. By the time u're eligible for the osode, u'll probably doing HNMs and Gods most of the time. A good brd should never pull hate when fighting those, so I hope u only referred to BCNM battles. But then, many BCs have a lv requirement, so u can't even use osode for those cases.

Yes, different LSes have different ways to distribute drops and that's certainly fine. I just don't understand why some people think brds do get priority over other jobs when it comes to the benefitis of the osode.

[Sasuke]

MNK > BRD > BST > RNG

A MNK benefits more from osode battle wise IMO inc MND VIT STR DEX.
To top it off 3 of the 4 god armor MNK hands down puts them to more use.
RNG get Kote even without it they do great.
BRD BST well the CHR alone is too good to pass and the +30mp a nice touch.

Am not interested in adaman hauberk nor do it think I will get it over other 6+ melee

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by zorca
As a good BRD, u shouldnt get hit periodically lol. By the time u're eligible for the osode, u'll probably doing HNMs and Gods most of the time. A good brd should never pull hate when fighting those, so I hope u only referred to BCNM battles. But then, many BCs have a lv requirement, so u can't even use osode for those cases.

Yes, different LSes have different ways to distribute drops and that's certainly fine. I just don't understand why some people think brds do get priority over other jobs when it comes to the benefitis of the osode.

As a bard you should alleviate your PT from any linked monster. Hopefully your lullabys will all stick, but if you're say. .. PTing off of aura statues, i don't care what your setup is, you will get resisted from time to time. So yes, even outside of BC situations you will find yourself taking hits more than any other mage except for maybe kamikaze BLMs. (75 BRD with osode)

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by ZQM
[QUOTE]Again, your bringing up either points for self gain instead of LS gain or not endgame material.
Please explain to me what your thought of LS gain is?



Hitting once more then makes up for 4 STR, and 12 acc will make you hit more than once. You said yourself that you you'll miss a lot regardless of equips. The added damage on normal hits of 4 STR doesn't mean anything if you can't the mob. And yes, adding 12 ACC does make a huge difference. If I take of snipers/haub/whatever, I notice a big dip in accuracy (and this is coming from a class with a +accuracy move).
At 75 i would chose the larger amounts of DEX over the ACC from Haubergeon +1, yes.



I stated (twice infact) that it's use was for WS. Right, that's wonderful. Now realize I'm not saying it will only help with WS, but helps with your WS as well as your entire play.
So you would honestly use Osode when fighting Nidhog/Kirin/whatever over Haub+1 when buildling TP?
Yes. There's also an importance to doing the most damage possible per swing on NMs. There's a reason why 2 handed weapons are nice against NMs and that's damage per TP given. Take a THF and say a DRK who land every single hit they swing. Let's even pretend that over the same amount of time they do the exact same damage. That DRK is going to be more useful due to the fact they gave less TP to the monster than the thief. TP gain is great, but it can cost you as well if your regular damage isn't so hot.

Ask to borrow an Osode from your LS, or be fortunate enough to get the Abj. for Adaman Hauberk and run some tests. I'm not out here to go against people to make them look like a fool or start needless flames, just tired of people missunderstanding a lot of how stats shift in this game.

[Demetrios]

Errant? WTF? Errant is trash, yeah it has +10 CHR, but as a good BRD, you're gona get hit periodically and the -10 agi, -10 vit get you absolutely destroyed. Stats going for BRD on the Osode: 10 CHR sure, 50 light elemental (you'd be suprised). +10 MND, +10 VIT/AGI (incredible for BC situations or when shit hits the fan in EXP situations). And the bit everyone seems to forget, the 30 MP. Now i know MNKs, NINs, and even RNG desire MP and all but... yeah. Errant should only be used for recovering MP imo. I'd rather use minstrel coat over Errant in nearlya ll situations. You should have enough petty +CHR from other equips to even need it from Errant.

You are too much fo a stat whore IMO. Just because it says +10 VIT or +10 AGI does not mean it will have an effect on tanking. Unless you are entirely pumping VIT, defense, and singing Minne 24/7, a bard will never take a hit well. +50 Light resistance... helps bard take Banishga 3 from Byakko, which shoudln't even be going off in the first place if your stun order is working.

NIN does make use of the MP if you're creative. Know what the stats are on the Cassie Earring? Converts 50 MP to HP. Wearing the Osode plus that earring is another 30 HP.

Quick note on errant, if enmity is really your problem, just cap out -enmity in merits and that should be plenty for most scenarios.

You know you can only get -2 enmity or +2 enmity from merit points... that is hardly anything close to the errant body.

[zorca]

As a bard you should alleviate your PT from any linked monster. Hopefully your lullabys will all stick, but if you're say. .. PTing off of aura statues, i don't care what your setup is, you will get resisted from time to time. So yes, even outside of BC situations you will find yourself taking hits more than any other mage except for maybe kamikaze BLMs. (75 BRD with osode)

Yes, a bard should alleviate your PT from any linked monsters, BUT how often do u get link at 75? if you xp on weapons those are mainly t-vts so landing lullaby isnt a problem. For the golems i'd have to say ur puller is being careless if u get constant linkage.

I know some pt do in fact pull another monster to camp and having the brd sleeping them before the current one is killed for high chains, in that case anything that helps u landing lullaby would help. Still, since such situation is very limited, I don't see why brd gets priority over other jobs like a mnk can benefits the +str +dex +mnk from it.

Also, once u're at 75, chances are u'll be spending a significant amount of time fighting HNMS and Gods, which I believe osode is pretty much useless in those situation.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by zorca
Yes, a bard should alleviate your PT from any linked monsters, BUT how often do u get link at 75? if you xp on weapons those are mainly t-vts so landing lullaby isnt a problem. For the golems i'd have to say ur puller is being careless if u get constant linkage.

I know some pt do in fact pull another monster to camp and having the brd sleeping them before the current one is killed for high chains, in that case anything that helps u landing lullaby would help. Still, since such situation is very limited, I don't see why brd gets priority over other jobs like a mnk can benefits the +str +dex +mnk from it.

Also, once u're at 75, chances are u'll be spending a significant amount of time fighting HNMS and Gods, which I believe osode is pretty much useless in those situation.
Right, well i'm use to crazy ranger or monk setups and chaining 16-18, both setups require me to pull in order to get these chains. During this i catch a barrage of random AOEs from weapons, JAs from skeletons and so on.

And Demetrios. I'm well aware of the amount of enmity - you can receive from Merits, however a BRD really shouldn't be concerned with enmity much except for maybe when you fight Faf/hog. Even then if you go as SMN sub enmity won't be your problem, but as whm, tossing curagas left and right will earn you some hate.

Yes, i'm a stat whore. To address golems, my PT always PTs in the center for quicker chains. Unfortunately no matter the skill level of our players, random magic will aggro random pops.

Lastly i don't know why everyone thinks MNK with osode aids the LS like they think it would. Thinking the STR and DEX is helping them do raw damage. Have you guys seen your monks melee any of the gods? All i see them do is chi-blast. The bits on Osode that actually help MNK in NM situation are mainly just MND, the MP if they sub whm, and i suppose the VIT.

I respect your posts Zorca and Demetrios, you showed actual knowledge and experience on this before posting.

[ganhosi]

For me there is nothing better.. the +10 str helps with SATA when I /thf. the +10 chr is good for brds, +10 agi good for rng.
It all depends
For a 75 Sam, you should have a +str gear swap macro anyways

[coolffxi]

well 90% of the people who i see osode on are rng.. i have talked to may hnm ls on my server... usualy the rng gets it...not always. i have been seeing sam take a huge likeing to the cursed armor.:thumbsup: so i would go rng> everything else :cool:
<<<rng lol

[Kite322]

My opinion:

RNG/MNK > BRD > WAR/SAM > BST

Of course it comes down to attendance and participation/attitude as well, a BRD that shows up 50% more than a RNG should get it first.

[Halato]

The reason it's so useful for monk:

The best mind gear that most monks can get in the body slot is 3, Osode has 10! That's no joke, that's a huge boost to mind, their main damage stat against gods and other HNMs.

Regarding Melee:

Monks best weaponskills, asuran and dragon kick, are both greatly modified by STR and VIT. Osode would offer +6 STR than any body slot gear and +6 VIT. We can't get those stats together otherwise, anyway.

Another huge benefit is the pure STR. STR effects monks differently than most jobs due to their fast attack rate and weird mechanics of H2H damage.

Dex/Agi have their own applications. DEF is nice on a monk as well.

EDIT:
And by the way... the reason to give a bard the Osode isn't because it's the most effective piece of gear for them... It's because they slave away the same as everyone else in Sky, and deserve the chance to get the uber armor they are rightfully allowed to wear.

The only ranger I know that has/used the Osode says he really can't notice a huge difference, but really likes wearing it^^.

The only other point to stress here... Monks buy an entirely new suit of armor and jewelry to fight gods/HNMs. We have no other application for mind stat, so there's nothing wrong with giving them some armor that increases that stat more than anything they can buy/quest/camp. Monks put a lot of work into maxing mind stat... so return the favor a little. Do you think I *LIKE* leveling whm to 37 as a galka for 5 meesly points of mind?!

[GASGUL]

RDM>...... then who cares,

no im not biased,

:angel:

[ibroyles]

Originally posted by Halato
Do you think I *LIKE* leveling whm to 37 as a galka for 5 meesly points of mind?!

lol

Originally posted by GASGUL
RDM>...... then who cares,

no im not biased,

btw RDM can't equip

[Faranim]

Multiple Things:

As Far as which job "Benefits" the most from Osode. I'd definately have to say:

RNG > MNK > Other Melee > BRD

Yes, I'm a BRD. Yes, I have an Osode. And Yes, BRD benefits the least from it. Key word here is least. There's obviously benefits for BRD (such as higher DEF/VIT, +30 MP, and more STR), but compared to the benefits a melee job gets, BRD really doesn't gain much from an Ososde when compared to Errant. Heck, I still use Errant on many Gods / HNM because of the -Enmity and +hMP.

RNG benefits the most because of the damage modifiers on Sidewinder/SlugShot. Most 75 RNG without an Ososde will wear their AF, which to my knowledge doesn't add any +Stats. Osode will increase WS damage signifcantly.

MNK second because of the massive +MND, and when a MNK melee's they beneft from the STR DEX and VIT also.

Other Melee (SAM, BST, NIN, WAR) get grouped together because most of them have alternate level 75 gear that is still pretty decent, and giving Osode only provides marginally better performance.


Now, as far as who should actually get it? It depends a lot on your Linkshell Policy.

For our HNMLS, Each member is only allowed *one* significant body armor. Significant meaning Noble's Tunic, Body Abjuration, and Osode. The only time a member can get more than one of these is if (for example), a body abjuration drops and there's nobody else but you who can actually equip/use it. If a Body abjuration drops and multiple people can use it, the people who don't yet have any body armor take priority.

For Body Abjurations it's mostly:
A. Look at who's there to lot on it
B. Look at who can use it / who needs it
C. Decide who gets it (this is usually very simple since A and B will typically narrow you down to 1-3 people).

Because Osode is Tradeable, we base it on:
#1. How long the player has been in the linkshell. Even if we have EXTRA Osode, we won't give them out until a player has proven that they want to be in our LS and have contributed to it.
#2. How often the player attends Water Hunts, Trigger Runs, God Runs, Kirin Fights. Players who have been in the linkshell a long time but hardly ever go to sky won't be getting an Osode for a while. Members who make an effort to attend sky runs will be rewarded with an Osode sooner.
#3. If for some reason there's multiple people who become "Eligable" for an Osode at the same time, their Job will determine who gets it.

IMO Dedication to a HNMLS is the most important thing you can have from a member. Giving all of your Osode to RNG just because it's "best" for them is a bad idea. You'll likely get a lot of Senior non-RNG who complain about not getting Osode.

And I'm sure that newer members wouldn't mind seeing Ososde go to a more dedicated / deserving member, even if their job benefits less from it.

Hell, I was given Byakko Haidate and Suzaku Sune-Ate for my BRD when there were other jobs (NIN/RNG for Haidate, MNK for Sune-Ate) who didn't have it yet, but I still had priority. Nobody complained, it's just how we run things.

Point Systems are bound to eventually fail, because they are used as a measure to counter-act greed and item-whoring. Don't invite Greedy people into the Linkshell, and distributing items becomes much easier.

[GASGUL]

i feel so so cheated ><;

hmmmm maybe i can have my manequin wear it,

[Discordian]

We've discussed about the Osode in my LS and we've made it a priority to give it to those deserving despite job. If you can wear it you will be considered, numerical need on how cool it makes your job is removed. We did this because bards get very little out of endgame but get yanked around for getting others items all the time, its basicly standing up for whats right.

[Lily]

Originally posted by zorca
Yes, a bard should alleviate your PT from any linked monsters, BUT how often do u get link at 75?

Hehe, if your ls is doing Dynamis 2 times a week, and generally the bards are the first to die (along with the blms), then its uses may be more apparent. :)

It benefits bst quite a bit, but I dunno, the fact of the matter is, in actually engaging stuff like Kirin, jobs like rng, mnk with chi blast, nin and brd are doing most of the work day in, day out. :) So they see more use out of it.

But yeah on the rare occasions when your ls is in mob territory like Sorrow Valley for Aspi, Haku hunts, or Fafnir camping, the extra chr helps on landing charms consistently, in case of aggro or whatever. Oh and Fira, I'm pretty sure the Millioneyes can range from DC through EM to T. Not just DC and EM. ;x

As for Kirin, you won't get any tp if you hit for 0 dmg, which I see a lot. I believe the str helps out with this problem, in terms of breaching his defense. Plus throw in the higher dex, and you see more returns on your criticals versus normal mobs. :)

[Serif]

Originally posted by zorca
As a good BRD, u shouldnt get hit periodically lol. By the time u're eligible for the osode, u'll probably doing HNMs and Gods most of the time. A good brd should never pull hate when fighting those, so I hope u only referred to BCNM battles. But then, many BCs have a lv requirement, so u can't even use osode for those cases.

Yes, different LSes have different ways to distribute drops and that's certainly fine. I just don't understand why some people think brds do get priority over other jobs when it comes to the benefitis of the osode.

The only main benefit that BRDs get from Osode on HNMs that I have seen are Fafnir/Nidhogg. It also depends on your PT setup. BRDs do get a lot of hate at Fafnir/Nidhogg, seeing how you are either Garuda/Ballad 1+2/Various Etudes/Prelude 1 + 2/Curing/Etc.,/Elegy/Threnody.

It doesn't seem like a lot, but when done over and over hate tends to build up quite fast. And then -Enmity doesn't really help. I would much rather prefer +10 VIT and +10 AGI from these 2 times. Accompanied with my Terra Staff and Genbu's Kabuto that is +30 VIT and +10 AGI. Which is very helpful for a Tarutaru. Also if you are very active in a Kirin fight, sometimes you can possibly get hate, which is like 1% of the times I have fought him. Oh yeah Tiamat is the same way. But most people don't fight him.

[LionhartPLD]

mnk>rng>nin>war>brd>bst

[Discordian]

Originally posted by LionhartPLD
mnk>rng>nin>war>brd>bst

This equates to
Already got stuff > Also already got stuff > Had stuff before previous person > wants adaman body for his collection > Is waiting for god armor to be free lot so that he can get it within the next year > Hopes that war gets adaman body soon so that he can get it.

There's a difference in utility and fair and many jobs get a lot before bard even gets a taste yet people rely on bards to help them get what they want. You can kill anything in the game with your AF1 set of armor look at a lot of Paladins and whitemages, yes abjuration and crafted stuff is good but in no need required.

[Serif]

Originally posted by LionhartPLD
mnk>rng>nin>war>brd>bst

I don't understand the NIN and WAR before BRD. The only useful thing it is used for with NIN and WAR is EXP. BRDs actually use this on HNM. NINs would use Arhat's Gi +1 and WARs would use their Body piece which is +8 Enmity, correct me if I am wrong.

I do agree though that MNK>RNG are 1st two. But I would think it would go in this order. MNK>RNG>BRD>NIN>WAR/SAM>BST

[ZQM]

Originally posted by Serif
The only useful thing it is used for with NIN and WAR is EXP.

Actually, it's the best body for Steel Cyclone on Gods. The +10 VIT on Osode really ups the damage by quite a bit. It's the best body for tanking Jeuno HNM since you don't need Enmity then, but Haubergeon works fine aswell. I'm also leveling WHM sub to try that out at Fafnir/Nidhogg, +30 MP would be nice then.

I'm not saying that WAR should have larger priority, just pointing out it has more uses. I used one for a bit and wasn't impressed. Haub worked better on meleeing HNMs/Gods, Haub worked just aswell tanking Jeuno HNM, and AF body worked out better tanking true HNM. The only place I was impessed with it was how it improved WS damage. Now I just borrow one of our RNG's when doing Steel Cyclone and give it back once I WS and saving up for E.Body instead.

[LionhartPLD]

Originally posted by Discordian
This equates to
Already got stuff > Also already got stuff > Had stuff before previous person > wants adaman body for his collection > Is waiting for god armor to be free lot so that he can get it within the next year > Hopes that war gets adaman body soon so that he can get it.

There's a difference in utility and fair and many jobs get a lot before bard even gets a taste yet people rely on bards to help them get what they want. You can kill anything in the game with your AF1 set of armor look at a lot of Paladins and whitemages, yes abjuration and crafted stuff is good but in no need required. I never said that was the farest order but I believe thats the best order of usefulness.

and serif I know osode looks cute as hell on taru brds >.> but its just not all that good for brds. 10 vit and all that will not save your ass >.>; It's really good on NIN in combination with the seiryu kote. I've used both scorpion harness and osode vs most HNM and I dont see any difference in the evasion but I do see a difference in hate holding abilities and slight decrease in dmg taken. I'd only use arhats on things like the dragons and certain gods/hnm like byakko and stuff.

wtf is a jeuno HNM? you mean ground HNM? o.O;

[Discordian]

Originally posted by LionhartPLD
I never said that was the farest order but I believe thats the best order of usefulness.

and serif I know osode looks cute as hell on taru brds >.> but its just not all that good for brds. 10 vit and all that will not save your ass >.>; It's really good on NIN in combination with the seiryu kote. I've used both scorpion harness and osode vs most HNM and I dont see any difference in the evasion but I do see a difference in hate holding abilities and slight decrease in dmg taken. I'd only use arhats on things like the dragons and certain gods/hnm like byakko and stuff.

wtf is a jeuno HNM? you mean ground HNM? o.O;

Jeuno HNM is probably the 3 hnms around the connecting zones such as roc, serket, and simurgh, lumberjack doesn't really count since well.... who really cares about that one?

[Fell]

Whoever wines the least ^^.

[ZQM]

Discordian is correct, though I also considering ones like Bune, Serket, ect Jeuno HNM. Basically ones that used to be considered hard HNM but now are easy.

[sudo]

T.T

bst always at the end....