The other 2 dragons o.O *New HNMs*

[Archwolf]

Vrtra is the Hindu (Vedic) god of chaos. He is believed to be a primordial being existing before the formation of the cosmos, and was slain by the goddess Sarasvati.

In Hinduism, Vrtra (Sanskrit, "storm cloud") is a dark cloud of ignorance and sloth personified by a demon serpent that was vanquished by Indra. The story is the subject of several Vedic hymns, mentioned in the Rg Veda. A.G.H.

In KRT

http://img34.exs.cx/img34/4177/Tab041008170704a.jpg

http://img34.exs.cx/img34/6286/Tab041008170715a.jpg

http://img34.exs.cx/img34/7633/Tab041008171120a.jpg


In Norse mythology, Jormungand is one of the three children of the god Loki and his wife, the giantess Angrboda. The gods were well aware that this monster was growing fast and that it would one day bring much evil upon gods and men. So Odin deemed it advisable to render it harmless. He threw the serpent in the ocean that surrounds the earth, but the monster had grown to such an enormous size that it easily spans the entire world, hence the name Midgard Serpent. It lies deep in the ocean where it bites itself in its tail, and all mankind is caught within his coils.

At the destruction of the universe, Jormungand and Thor will kill each other.

In Uleguerand Range

http://sykes.tarupanic.com/images/100804jormungand.jpg

http://sykes.tarupanic.com/images/100804jormungand2.jpg

[Archwolf]

http://sykes.tarupanic.com/images/100804jormungand4.jpg

[Yukimura]

Damn that Dragon is friggin sweet. Nice screenies ^^

[Xyphere]

Nice. Does he have true sight? cause it looks like he is going after the Taru in that last pic

[Fire]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v350/highwind1/Vrtra1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v350/highwind1/Vrtra2.jpg

[balz]

nice:thumbsup:

[redhotfanboy]

so

Guivre : People leveling in Kufta :: Vrtra : People leveling in KRT?

lol

[djjosh71]

KRT?

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by redhotfanboy
so

Guivre : People leveling in Kufta :: Vrtra : People leveling in KRT?

lol

These 3 dragons make Guivre look like... a bunny in east ronfaurre. After you fight one of these you feel like you could solo Guivre.

[Archwolf]

/nod

[Kuy555]

Originally posted by djjosh71
KRT?

King Ranperres Tomb

[goyagokou]

These things are no joke, Jormungand is almost undamagable, he resits hits both physical and magically more then Kirrn, virtually none of the 75 blm with best gear were able to hurt it and the 75 rangers were only doing 40-80 dmg on it and he has very high HP. Think about fighting this thing with 3-4 VT-IT aggros links, the whole fight. And also put in that it takes at least 10 mins at full attack mode to kill it 1% point. He also does a flying move that he uses to cast Bilzagaa 3 in 2 secs flat. And then does a physical attack move when he lands again, he can very, very, very easily 1 shot a whole allances of 18 people. Fun stuff. :spin:

[Golgan]

jeez, how the hell are u supposed to beat these guys!? :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:

[Archwolf]

Honestly, from what I can see... a straight up alliance of 18 75's cannot win against any of these. Tiamat is the same as Jormungand, cept fire instead of ice... and the zone is a little easier, except when it goes to night and the corses pop. There has to be something else too these fights.

[Sting]

http://www.mikulcak.de/ffxi/PC1206.jpghttp://www.mikulcak.de/ffxi/PC1207.jpg
http://www.mikulcak.de/ffxi/PC1208.jpghttp://www.mikulcak.de/ffxi/PC1209.jpg
http://www.mikulcak.de/ffxi/PC1210.jpghttp://www.mikulcak.de/ffxi/PC1211.jpg
http://www.mikulcak.de/ffxi/PC1212.jpghttp://www.mikulcak.de/ffxi/PC1213.jpg
http://www.mikulcak.de/ffxi/PC1214.jpghttp://www.mikulcak.de/ffxi/PC1215.jpg
http://www.mikulcak.de/ffxi/PC1216.jpghttp://www.mikulcak.de/ffxi/PC1217.jpg
http://www.mikulcak.de/ffxi/PC1218.jpghttp://www.mikulcak.de/ffxi/PC1219.jpg
http://www.mikulcak.de/ffxi/PC1220.jpghttp://www.mikulcak.de/ffxi/PC1221.jpg
:)

[Corrado]

http://www.apby07.dsl.pipex.com/clp831.jpg

10 rangers in main alliance, non-stop attacks for 10-15 minutes.. we took down that tiny amount of his hp.

We had around 100 people in total. We got owned :sweat:

[sourjirou]

omfg 10 rngs and thats all you could do. holy crap :eek:

[PaladinsArc]

I watched a group of people get annhilated by it. Incase you were wondering why 10 rangers didn't do squat... I think I saw the average ranged attack damage do 19-23 damage.

-Arc

[Corrado]

Average damage 55-60 with hellfire. Slug Shot 350-400.

Next time i'm trying bow + bodkin arrows..

[chyper]

The Fuck.. How can u beat it? if u put together all the best players in Vana'diel u might be abel ehh:sweat: ??

[Piroth]

We tryed to kill Jormungand, gave up after he wiped us twice only had 22 ppl there no where near enough to deal with adds
also nice pictures Sting and that Galka in full koenig .. omg o.o;;;;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Piroth/777.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Piroth/clp01772.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Piroth/clp01782.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Piroth/clp01800.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Piroth/clp01803.jpg

[michaeldue]

Last pic!!!

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!

Just an idea - why dont we gather all people on the server or just the 300 always standing around in lower jeuno - go fight, CALL FOR HELP on it and then let everyone smack it up? Just to see if it is possible to kill? I know it wont drop anything or give exp if you "Call for help" on it
- but just to see if it CAN be killed by if faced by 300 people.

Im in the Hades server - if anyone is up for the idea - Im game :)

[chyper]

I think thoze dragons is imposible to gauge ... Well I know all NM is imposible to gauge to. but this is real I don't think u can be abel to beat em... I may b wrong but after what ive heard this dragons are away stronger than Kirin wish *was* Vana'diels Most powerfull HNM!! what ya guys think?!

[csBahamut]

I think it is going to be all about add control now. Though, that's just my speculation and hope that more jobs besides nukers, tanks, and mages will be needed for HNMs(like needing DRGs, SAMs, and such for crowd control).

[cutelilkitty_56]

omg...I would have to say that last pic is really crazy....soo many
dead people....wow how do you beat that thing....gotta say though the dragons are friken sweet

[BlueIX]

Nice pictures. That one player's name is ironic...'Deadinsixty'. lolz :sweat:

[Etah]

Would this work?
Honestly, the only way i can see beating one of these guys...is to have an alliance with 14 rangers/ninjas with the best gear possible and to use the rest of the slots all on the best arrows, and then 4 plds with best gear. And then to have like...4 full alliances with just all white mages and red mages. that might work, but it would take FOREVER!!! heh...also gonna want to have some scrolls of reraise for the people fighting. And so, the battle plan would basically be, the attacking alliance goes to fight the dragon, and the alliances of whitemages and redmages all choose one person to cure, and so there would basically be about 4 people to cure each person fighting. Two would cure one person at a time, and then when they run out of mp, they would rest, and the next two would cure, and so on. as for the rangers and plds, they would just keep laying it on the dragon, but in the event that the rangers somehow ran out of arrows...which i cant see how, since they should have like 30-40 slots full of arrows if they did all the gobbybag quests. well, if they ran out of arrows, then someone would have to deliver some to them O.O heh...I suppose if you try fighting somewhat similar to this, and if the whms and rdms stay as far away from AOEs as possible while still being able to cure their target, then this might work. GL, HF! lol
:spin: :sweat: :spin:

[Etah]

How much damage does a summoners astral flow do to these things? has anyone tried yet?...heh, if it does like 300 damage or so...that would be, 900 damage times as many summoners used if it actually worked =^_^= heh, the summons wouldnt even have to be attackin the dragon, they could be attackin some other enemy, since the astral flows are AOE...the mob would have to be rather close to the dragon though :confused: :dead: :confused:

[ShokotanKnight]

*looks at the last death screenshot* Wow, just wow....:handsdown

[SiC]

We took it out a couple of days ago with 32 peeps, battle was about 2 hours long.
http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/sic/ffxi/j/1.jpg
http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/sic/ffxi/j/2.jpg
http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/sic/ffxi/j/3.jpg

[chyper]

W0000T Nice =) Congratz:biggrin: ur tha man!! JP who take it down right?

[Etah]

WOW!!!!! i cant believe its already been beaten!!! heh, what were the drops?, did they get anything good?

[Lostbeatz]

damn you SIC...

remind me to equip my subligar and punt you if i see you in jeuno...



:dead:

did u get a special title for killing him?

[Golgan]

supposedly Jormundgand is the easiest of the 3 new dragons to beat. it drops the Mercurial Pole, it does like 7 dmg, gives +30 mp, and occasionally attacks 2 to 4 times.

[Etah]

i assumed tiamat was the easiest tho...cause, wasnt tiamat defeated on the shiva server a couple days ago?

[PaladinsArc]

Sting, if you don't mind me asking... but what are you video settings? Those screenshots look so amazing compared to mine...

-Arc

[Tetsura]

I know for a fact that Tiamat has been beaten on Pandemonium, ran by the leader of one of the top JP HNM LS's in the server and checked him (for bazaar), his title was along the lines of "Tiamat Tamer". This was 2 days ago.

[SiC]

To tell you the truth the defense, strength, & HP of all 3 dragons are about the same. The difference is their SPs which they use multiple times and the environment you have to fight them in.

Vrtra Summons Skeletons and Ghosts constantly and you fight in a area with VT skeletons and ghosts (from a lvl 75 point of view).

Jormungand uses Blood Weapon which takes about 200-300 HP from you per hit and adds it to it's own health there are also a bunch of T-VT Bombs and VT-IT Elementals in the area.

Tiamat uses Mighty Strike and in the area there are various EP-T mobs.

Vrtra doesn't fly so it's AoE isn't as powerful as the other 2. When the other 2 fly, their AoE is about twice as strong, and it's normal hits (Ice for Jormungand and Fire from Tiamat) when flying will go right thru Blink/Utsusemi.

Taking the SPs and environment into consideration, I would say:
Vrtra>>>Jormungand>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tiamat
Strongest-------------------------------------------Weakest

[Smunky]

Have ya'll been able to spank the other 2 Dragons yet? SInce you took out Jorgunmand I would assume Tiamat went down as well.

[Dont Bot Play Fair]

So what Servers have they been killed on and what LS?
Shiva~Nela's Team is all i know so far
Alexander~Sics LS

[SiC]

We have some agreement with other HNMLSs that we wont touch Tiamat for 1 week and give the others a chance to take it down. Don't ask me why but the HNMLS leaders agreed upon this....... Currently we're working on tactics to take down Vrtra.

[Tetsura]

Originally posted by Arvy
So what Servers have they been killed on and what LS?
Shiva~Nela's Team is all i know so far
Alexander~Sics LS

Pandemonium~ Simd's team

[csBahamut]

It seems like there should be a 4th dragon hiding somewhere.

4 FF elements: Fire, Water, Earth, and Wind.

4 FFXI HNM Dragons: Tiamat, Jormungand, Vrtra, and ???.

Just a speculation.

[Lostbeatz]

Originally posted by SiC
We have some agreement with other HNMLSs that we wont touch Tiamat for 1 week and give the others a chance to take it down. Don't ask me why but the HNMLS leaders agreed upon this....... Currently we're working on tactics to take down Vrtra.


the "NAS" on alexander are pitiful...haven't beaten Kirin yet...and not so dedicated to camp the strong HNMS (or just dont want to complete against Orznet and those other hardcore jp hnmls that always claim em..) "NAS" on Alexander are soooooo 80's...
[probably due to all those LS feuds, and LS just staying with their clicks and not helping each other out (from a LS point of view) ]

:dead:

[Etah]

but what about ice, light, and dark, along with thunder though...i mean, those are elements in the game too...:spin:

[Golgan]

for vrtra u need to take a bunch of bst's with u and charm everything in the cavern and throw it at him! :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin:

[Omniblast]

Originally posted by Golgan
for vrtra u need to take a bunch of bst's with u and charm everything in the cavern and throw it at him! :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin:

You can't charm Undead...

[Katouu]

I was just wondering... Behemoth summons KB after a while... Adamantoise summons Aspidochelone... Fafnir summons Nidhogg... These 3 dragons are uber... you think that after killin em 3-8 times a HQ dragon might pop? :x

[Seymour]

Originally posted by Katouu
I was just wondering... Behemoth summons KB after a while... Adamantoise summons Aspidochelone... Fafnir summons Nidhogg... These 3 dragons are uber... you think that after killin em 3-8 times a HQ dragon might pop? :x

that's what I assume too but anything harder than what these dragons already are is just....

[Tetsura]

Originally posted by Tetsura
I know for a fact that Tiamat has been beaten on Pandemonium, ran by the leader of one of the top JP HNM LS's in the server and checked him (for bazaar), his title was along the lines of "Tiamat Tamer". This was 2 days ago.

Checked it again, it's actually Tiamat Troucer.

[kumaeru]

Tiamat Trouncer, Vrtra Vanquisher, World Serpent Slayer.

[Taoist]

Originally posted by csBahamut
It seems like there should be a 4th dragon hiding somewhere.

4 FF elements: Fire, Water, Earth, and Wind.

4 FFXI HNM Dragons: Tiamat, Jormungand, Vrtra, and ???.

Just a speculation.

fafnir is the 4th maybe?

[LionhartPLD]

On leviathan , Jormungand has been defeated by: Bossanova , DoctorZ
Tiamat has been defeated by EternalForce. I also checked Kaazu whom is in Bossanova and his title was World Serpent Slayer so I assume Bossanova also beat Tiamat but no confirmation. He may have gone with EF but I'm not sure.
All are JPHNMLES with insane equipment.

No one has beaten Vrtra yet to my knowledge.

[Monkor]

Maybe having a few SMN with your group if you fight Vrtra and have them all 2hr when it starts to summon the ghosts and skeles would help out a bit.

[Tetsura]

Originally posted by LionhartPLD
On leviathan , Jormungand has been defeated by: Bossanova , DoctorZ
Tiamat has been defeated by EternalForce. I also checked Kaazu whom is in Bossanova and his title was World Serpent Slayer so I assume Bossanova also beat Tiamat but no confirmation. He may have gone with EF but I'm not sure.
All are JPHNMLES with insane equipment.

No one has beaten Vrtra yet to my knowledge.

World Serpent Slayer is Jormngand, not Tiamat.

[LionhartPLD]

Originally posted by Monkor
Maybe having a few SMN with your group if you fight Vrtra and have them all 2hr when it starts to summon the ghosts and skeles would help out a bit. well he summons for the entire fight so that wouldnt help much becuase it would only hold the first wave off. not to mention the natural mobs that are around. once you kill them they will eventually respawn. you pretty much need 1 alliance to kill Vrtra and a few more alliances to handle mobs and summoned mobs.

about the title: my mistake, either someone posted the titles wrong or I misread. so I guess Bossanova only beat Jorm. But I know for a fact that EternalForce beat Tiamat.

[Golgan]

I know that Jormugand drops the mercurial pole, but what significant items does Tiamat drop?

[Fire]

Hermes Gaiters
+12mp
+8evasion
+12% faster run/walk
smn whm blm mnk

Liberty Blue on Bismark is the only LS on our server to have beaten one of the 3 dragons.

[SiC]

Two down, one to go
We had about 40 peeps in this battle (although we probably could've done it with less), the battle itself was about 2 hours long.

http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/sic/ffxi/t/1.jpg


http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/sic/ffxi/t/2.jpg

Next is Vrtra

[Roboyto]

Good Luck.

[Etah]

O_O two hours?! wow...heh, thats a long time to fight :eek: :sweat: :eek:

[ZiZou]

I really don't see how Tiamat could be easier than Jormagand. The surrounding stuff around Tiamat is just as hard. VT corses are no joke, they AE silence and charm people. Thats as bad if not worse than bombs which can easily be stunned or kept slept the whole time. Eles pop just as often at Tiamat as well. The thing about Jorm that may seem like an advantage is the para on his AE which really can be cured fairly easily and quickly, both do terrorize which is much worse and uncurable. I think it boils down to the SP which I believe Tiamat's is much worse than Jorm's. Mighty strikes with this dragon was hitting a well equipped pld( missing 3 koenigs but basically best buyable eq) for 550-600 on mighty strikes which it can triple attack. Below 20% where he starts spamming AEs, this becomes a major problem. Of course if it was a fully koenig pld with defending ring it might not be as big of an issue but even if that, it's gotta be worse than Blood Weapon which only drains HP meaning a longer fight. The damage you will probably be outputting when it SPs is probably equal to if not greater than his drain amount so when it SPs it just means a standstill instead of deadly triple attack mighty strikes that can one-shot plds. I just wanted to point this out for those who say Jormagand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tiamat. I think Tiamat is probably harder but I haven't fought Jorm yet so I guess I dont' know for sure yet.

[Serif]

I have a strat that seems 100% for Vrtra but needs only 1 outside alliance maybe 2.

Just need people to believe in it >><<;

I swear to god it will work.

[SiC]

When Tiamat used Mighty Strike our PLDs were getting hit for about 380-399 HP. I have the entire battle parsed and the PLDs never got hit above 400 HP. On the other hand Jormungand hits our PLDs for an average of 300 HP and also drains 200-500HP depending on your VIT and defense during it's SP, Blood Weapon.

As for the surroundings, Timat has 3 EM-VT Arch Corses that spawn only at night and a maximum of 2 EM-VT elementals that spawn during certain weather conditions. I've only seen the elementals there about 25% of the time.
For Jormungand there are a total of 5 T-VT Bombs and a total of 5 VT-IT elementals during certain weather conditions. The weather is usually double ice so you'll most likely see the elementals about 90% of the time.

During both battles we had external parties to take on the mobs in the area, during the Tiamat battles the external parties were pretty much sitting around picking their noses. In the Jormungand battle there were having some difficulties and had a few deaths.

Now that I've fought all 3, I'll rephrase my last statement to:
Vrtra>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jormungand>>>Tiamat
Stronger--------------------------------------Weaker

[aphon]

Raph,(ZiZou) is making comments without ever fighting Jormungand... he is so silly w

and yea, i completely agree with Sic about the mobs that spawn around Tiamat, i watched TV 90% of the time when we at Tiamat on Friday because it was really boring and there was nothing to do.

[Corrado]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v431/lax/pic9.jpg

Thats how hard Tiamat hit without mighty strikes active..

Plds equip : http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/profile.xml?54297

Hardly gimp :\

[SiC]

SS of my log file (in HTML format) created by the Japanese Parser FFRep & FFReplo. This is what kinda damage our PLD in full Koenig was getting from Tiamat during it's SP, Mighty Strike.
http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/sic/ffxi/t/sp.jpg

[Fire]

Bombs do spawn where Tiamat is aswell. Granted they're only T but when they spawn at night with 3 corse and 2 eles all at the same time it can be fairly difficult ;)

I believe our plds only got hit 300~400 or so by Tiamat in allmost full koeing, one missing body one missing boots.

[Moggymog]

I examined the Jormungand fighting area a few times and it looks like you can definately fight him in a pretty clean area, similar to Tiamat's as you may encounter a few battles. The area around Tiamat didn't seem to be that bad but it wasn't always so easy, sometimes the other alliance didn't pull popping wind elementals off right away and aeroga3 on the tanks kinda sucks. Wind elementals were out all the time but only like 2 of them could possibly come over to the fight scene and sometimes they didn't. Same with the Corses, three pop but only two can come over into aggro range and most of the time its usually just one you gotta pull. Couple bombs but I believe they're not VT.

I was in the outside alliance for like 10 minutes and I didn't even do anything, just sat around, healed a bit. Triple attacking on mighty strikes was pretty rough at around the end of the fight, since even if our PLD had full HP he couldn't survive that. He seemed to hit stronger and stronger as the fight progressed. I can't really speak about Jormungand until we give it a go later this week. But Tiamat was defiantely a pretty fun fight when he was going crazy and I'm hoping the same from Jorm.

[Awntawn]

I'm told that a JP LS on our server has 1 RNG marathon all 3 corses all night with strider boots. Basically once daytime hits he'll zone and they disappear... Pretty good idea, would have to take a lot of skill though on the individual player's part though :eek:

[Xyphere]

Originally posted by Awntawn
I'm told that a JP LS on our server has 1 RNG marathon all 3 corses all night with strider boots. Basically once daytime hits he'll zone and they disappear... Pretty good idea, would have to take a lot of skill though on the individual player's part though :eek:

Holy Crap

[ZiZou]

It was hitting Lax for 55X at times when it was under 20% because it starts hitting for alot more. It's like Genbu when it starts hitting for a shitload more near the end and thats what this guy was doing. I remember Lax going in there and getting 1 shotted by a mighty strikes triple attack. The damage it would do to me with 23 vit add and 26% damage reduce with 532 defense was well....look:

http://webspace.utexas.edu/eldamns/FFXISS/Ridiculous.JPG



Before 20% it never hit me for more than 500 on mighty strikes, but below there it decided to tear ass. Thats why I say the fight on Tiamat doesn't really start til 20%. Of course full koenig could change that alot. Does Blood Weapon do drain damage in addition or does it just regain that HP?

[Corrado]

Originally posted by Awntawn
I'm told that a JP LS on our server has 1 RNG marathon all 3 corses all night with strider boots. Basically once daytime hits he'll zone and they disappear... Pretty good idea, would have to take a lot of skill though on the individual player's part though :eek:

Wouldn't a thief be better for that job? Since they have flee & much higher evasion than rangers. Or a paladin wearing crimson cuisses? Or maybe a ninja.. high evasion, utsusemi & the mobs only spawn during the night (+25% movement speed). A rng would be better off doing damage to Tiamat than kiting the adds.

Sounds like bullshit :\

[Sabastion]

Someone on Seraph has the title World Serpent slayer or something is that a title from the new hnm drgs?

[Taoist]

thats the title for beating jormungand i believe