war/nin 74 + one of the best jobs..

[mrrhypon]

Imagine a war/nin 74 + best equipment there is.
it will have utsusemi-ni affcourse for blink tank but think about the gear it can wear. i'm talking about my fantasy's here. imagine a war75/nin37 with krakens club for fast tp gain and juggernaut in dual weild for uber damage ( juggernaut = + 30 damage ).
then a full set of war AF relic gear which gives + many stats and + a ton of enimity. an AA fight earring which upgrades dual weild effect. .... I really think this could be one of the best tanking jobs ingame ( can keep hate and will outamage pld, nin for sure.. don't forget warcry and berserk ) but then again, you will first need like 15 mil gil. ( though nin's have a little more evasion and pld's a little more def )

[SAVAGE]

Actuallly relic gear isnt that great, some of it is but there is much much better stuff.

[mrrhypon]

yes true but not for enmity and if war/nin 74 + wants to be a main tank it needs lots of enmity

[loh989]

ninjas have a "little more evasion"

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

[Izual]

Throw in kirin's osode + full god armor, adaman hauberk, and ridill, and you have the galka war that tanks for us^^

[bladecloud]

+emnity is overrated, better off getting armor that boosts damage so you can keep hate.

[Ozymandis]

Originally posted by loh989
ninjas have a "little more evasion"

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

NIN do get a lot more evasion. Having played both now, on my NIN I probably evade or parry 10-40% of the hits from an IT mob depending on type. However, HNMs are much higher in ability than exp mobs compared to the player. I wonder how many hits NIN can evade in that case? I do know from exp'ing that as mob level rises the number of hits we evade drops dramatically.

[ZQM]

You'd use Kraken Club against HNM?

You must really hate your LS then, cuz you're just asking for a full-alliance wipe out.

And yeah, AF2 gear sucks. God gear is basically as good as it gets for tanking WAR.

Izual, tell your WAR that I said "fuck you" :p :(

[mrrhypon]

Ridill + Juggernaut
Adaman Hauberk + all other tulia god equipment
2 lvl 74 + 5 STR rings

maybe that's the best gear for war yeah..

[GroundZERO]

I made a war like your talking about.. but now im getting rid of account and game =/

for fun here is what i had.

uncursed equipment: Adaman sollerets(feet) Adaman mufflers(hand) Adaman breeches(leg) Hecatomb subligar(leg) Hecatomb harness(body) Koenig schaller(head) Koenig handschuh(hand)

God equipment: Suzaku's Sune-ate(feet), Byakko's haidate(leg), Seiryu's kote(hand), Genbu's kabuto(head) * had kirins osode but returned to LS when i decided to quit*

Accessories: Jelly ring, Bomb queen ring, Pixie earring, Supanomimi(earring)



weapons: Ridill, Joyeuse, Byakko's axe, Seiryu's sword, Dagger of trials, Ulfhedinn axe, juggernaut

if u wanna know more info or whatever*cough* just pm me

[Sanada]

How was it Groundzero? Would love to know.

[bladecloud]

My current equipment:

Head: adaman celeta, genbu kabuto and optical hat
Body: adaman hauberk and Kirins's osode
Legs: Byakko Haidate
Hands: adaman mufflers, sieryu kote, AF2 hands and dusk gloves
Feet: adaman sollerets, suzaku sune-ate, AF2 feet and dusk feet

Rings: Flame ring x2, Sniper rings x2 (no good for war, I use them on my DRK) and mermaids ring.
Neck: ryl. guards and bloodbead
Earrings: pigeon, +sword AA earring, pixie and arte del sol
Back: Behemoth mantle and Amemit+1
Waist: Lifebelt and +45HP hume belt

Main hand: Juggernaut, Earth Staff and Byakko's axe
Off hand: Ridill
Ranged: CC boomerang+2

Things I need: Herc ring(1m), 2x +5 vit rings(1m each), BBQ ring, bloodbead ring, cassie earring(800k), cursed hectacomb hands/feet/maybe legs (700k-1m each) and of course the peacock charm(7m)/kraken(22m)/speed belt(9m) dream equipment.


My thoughts on warrior: I love this class so much more then my craptastic DRK.
Honestly when I got Ridill, the class became so much better. In exp PT's it's so much easier to pull hate from ranger sidewinder with just a voke and a few seconds of combat. The damage overtime with Ridill is why I think it's so much better then kraken.

I'm thinking about selling my Juggernaut for a Woodville's axe.. that +30 atk aint all that great :/ I notice a small increase in normal hits but my WS DMG went down a decent amount.

No matter how good your equipment is.. you are never really a *desired* class for Fafnir/Nidhogg/King Behemoth/Byakko(without thf sub). I just play DRK/WHM for these 3-4 fights and use Ridill+souleater when I can. It's a good idea to lvl a 2nd class to play for these kind of things.
Warriors can do anything a ninja can in HNM fights, and in some cases much better. You have a pretty big role tanking Kirin and stuff like Aspidechelone :)

[Voila!]

Originally posted by GroundZERO
I made a war like your talking about.. but now im getting rid of account and game =/

for fun here is what i had.

uncursed equipment: Adaman sollerets(feet) Adaman mufflers(hand) Adaman breeches(leg) Hecatomb subligar(leg) Hecatomb harness(body) Koenig schaller(head) Koenig handschuh(hand)

God equipment: Suzaku's Sune-ate(feet), Byakko's haidate(leg), Seiryu's kote(hand), Genbu's kabuto(head) * had kirins osode but returned to LS when i decided to quit*

Accessories: Jelly ring, Bomb queen ring, Pixie earring, Supanomimi(earring)



weapons: Ridill, Joyeuse, Byakko's axe, Seiryu's sword, Dagger of trials, Ulfhedinn axe, juggernaut

if u wanna know more info or whatever*cough* just pm me

First level 75 warrior on Seraph eh? Thats pretty neat. The struggle must have been horrific. :(

Tell us how much your account sells for, huh? You could probably supply yourself with pizzas to last you a month or two with it. Although if you don't sell it, much repsect to you, BECAUSE I WILL BECOME THE NEXT LEVEL 75 WARRIOR OF SERAPH WITH FULL GOD GEAR.

[Kibagami]

You know I still really wonder about WAR/NIN. It may be i don't have Utsusemi: Ni, it may be i'm not 75, it may be i've never fought a God HNM. But really, if you don't go WAR/NIN just don't go?

I know you can take with a grain of salt my opinions but it's just that i can't believe one simple spell is what makes the difference. If this HNM are as incredible hard as they sound then i don't understand how Utsusemi even stands a chance against them. In a previous argument i stated that Utsusemi:Ichi was nothing incredible in the first few lvls you atain it, then ZQM stated that what makes Utsusemi work is a BRD's Elegy. Now i've read the Bard forums and they all say that landing debuffs on this HNMs is really hard. So out of pure guessing I dare to say that if you can keep Utsusemi Ichi and Ni up enough time to make a diff then you can clearly tank without it. Is it going to be easier? nope. Does it mater if you can? nope.

A few months ago there was this thread about WAR subs where ppl would only say: "Go NIN once you can dual wield axes and never change it". (Ok i'm exagerating but that was the general concept). Then after a few posts here and there a lot of ppl started noticing again that WAR/MNK can take you all the way to 75. In the THF's forums i was one of the ppl that suported the THF/WAR combo as usable all the way. At first they started saying that without utsusemi you would die pulling and stuff like that, then they said: ok yea you can do it and it works good.

In Kujata most players are not only single minded but are mostly lazy and cheap. I mean i've known WAR/NIN around 67 without utsusemi >_>. But they do WAR/NIN cuase "it's the best". And most ppl are the kind that only pick advanced jobs for parties and stuff like that. I know that comment is off topic but it really makes me wonder. I mean everytime i do a search all the WAR sub NIN. Some sub thf will farming. But i doubt they reallly know what's going on. I may be frustrated by all the lame WAR/NIN wannabes i know. But really....you can't tank those things without a NIN sub?

[ZQM]

Originally posted by Kibagami
I know you can take with a grain of salt my opinions but it's just that i can't believe one simple spell is what makes the difference. If this HNM are as incredible hard as they sound then i don't understand how Utsusemi even stands a chance against them. In a previous argument i stated that Utsusemi:Ichi was nothing incredible in the first few lvls you atain it, then ZQM stated that what makes Utsusemi work is a BRD's Elegy. Now i've read the Bard forums and they all say that landing debuffs on this HNMs is really hard. So out of pure guessing I dare to say that if you can keep Utsusemi Ichi and Ni up enough time to make a diff then you can clearly tank without it. Is it going to be easier? nope. Does it mater if you can? nope.

You tank Gods and HNM with full DEF, VIT, and -physical damage gear. Even a NIN gets hit every fight. It's near impossible for a NIN to blink tank a whole fight, so you can guess how hard it is for WAR. And you still need Utsusemi for them, even a PLD needs Aerial Armor to tank Gods. On most it'll wear off quick on most Gods, yes, but that's still less hits you take.

Hmm, speaking of Aerial Armor, I wonder how well WAR/MNK tanking Gods with Aerial Armor would be....

[AtraposBLM]

you'd need an awful lot of summoners to keep blink up, first of all, and second of all, the Spell blink is NOWHERE near as powerful as the ninjitsu. Unlike Utsusemi, Blink does not block the next 2 hits 100% - most times its more like:
Hit
blink
Hit
Hit
Hit
blink

Against anything particularly difficult. Against HNM's that have annoying AOE...good luck trying to keep it up.

[ZQM]

Originally posted by AtraposBLM
you'd need an awful lot of summoners to keep blink up, first of all, and second of all, the Spell blink is NOWHERE near as powerful as the ninjitsu. Unlike Utsusemi, Blink does not block the next 2 hits 100% - most times its more like:
Hit
blink
Hit
Hit
Hit
blink

Against anything particularly difficult. Against HNM's that have annoying AOE...good luck trying to keep it up.

3 SMN or /SMN is enough to keep it up.

A PLD won't get hit for that much less then an equally equipped WAR.

And, when it comes to Gods, the only AOEs they have are spells.

EDIT: Maybe you didn't understand and I should clarify. Instead of going WAR/NIN and tanking them like a NIN does, it might be possible to go WAR/MNK and tank it like a PLD does.

EDIT#2: Something brought up by a LS member of mine is hate. I wouldn't be able to dual-tank with a PLD because they would get a lot more hate then me, so if it was to be done it'd have to be with 2 WAR/MNKs.

[Kibagami]

Do it ZQM and tell us how it goes. ;)

[ZQM]

At the current time, I'm not to worried about getting Koeing. Need to focus on more important equipment. ;)

Well, I could do it in God gear. I don't have full set yet, but I should soon except for Osode (can just borrow that from another member). I doubt God gear would be enough though...every point of DEF and VIT counts on Gods, and there's a lot of difference between the two. God gear would be a lot better suited for a WAR/NIN tank. Also, no other WAR in my LS seems to be interested in tanking, so nobody to dual-tank with. :(

The worst part about WAR tanking endgame is that it can't be the same as EXP on the mobs that matter. You can't be a full offensive blink tank, you need to be deffensive. WAR/NIN is a gimped NIN, WAR/MNK is a gimped PLD. Yes, they CAN work, but a NIN and PLD can do the job better. I'm really sadden by this because I felt so overpowered in EXP, but now I'm just a gimp of another job. :(

Not to say endgame tanking for WAR sucks though. You can still tank the minor HNM like serket, and I still feel they are the best kiters. And there will still be a chance to tank the tougher ones when there is no PLD or NIN on. ;) And then ofcoarse always the offensive WAR endgame. ;)

[Kibagami]

Well i'm not sure you really need another WAR to dual tank it. It could be with another PLD as long as the paladin understands he has to tone down a little his hate tools. About the gear you need. Maybe with Kirin's Osode and the helment (can't remember the name atm, the one with +15 VIT) and the rest with Koenig. Defending ring would be really good too (-10% damage taken). Um, well i don't really know to what gear you have acces to so i guess i'll stop guessing for now.
If you do try it i would like to know how it goes...maybe a vid for the video vault ^^.

[bladecloud]

It's not very hard with triple haste (rdm/whm haste+double march song) to tank guards. Seiryu always give me a problem though :| Fang Rush = 3 hits and dispelling wing = removes uts alot.


Can't remember off the top of my head but I think triple haste brings Uts: Ichi down to 15-20 sec and Ni to 28-32. Of course every war should seek out dusk hands and feet ASAP and save up for that speed belt if you're beyond rich ^^ These items will save your life ALOT. Whenever I die it usually means I only had 2-5 sec rescast on Ichi or Ni and was unable to bring blink back up in time, Every second counts.

You don't need bar-song as long as your blms stun the Ga's.

Plus having a 2nd tank to save your ass doesn't hurt.. and it's quite common to have another war/pld/nin in the alliance, it's just not required.


The only thing ninjas have that I wish I had.. is speed boots.
I'm hoping they add some +12%speed armor war can use in the new sky, coming next patch.


I've never seen/had a SMN play blink crutch.. but it's an interesting idea.

/em ponders about 2-3 blink tanks for Fafnir :D

[bolaber]

i'm a near lvl 70 pld.. with war and nin around the early 40's.

after talking with taimoor...i realized something... that was blaringly obvious..

war's can wear koenig too!

well what does that mean?

war/nin = def of a paladin and blinkage of a nin

(this is what i a call a chunk of rock)

since no LS will let a war lot on the martial abjurations for warriors. I still plan on getting my pld to lvl 75. But once my pld is 75, i'm goign to bring my war to 75 as well to test out this .. ultimate "chunk of rock"

[Kibagami]

Yeah but what ZQM and I wanna know is how it goes with a WAR/MNK and 3 SMN using aerial armor by turns.

[Mephisto]

Originally posted by bolaber
i'm a near lvl 70 pld.. with war and nin around the early 40's.

after talking with taimoor...i realized something... that was blaringly obvious..

war's can wear koenig too!

well what does that mean?

war/nin = def of a paladin and blinkage of a nin

(this is what i a call a chunk of rock)

since no LS will let a war lot on the martial abjurations for warriors. I still plan on getting my pld to lvl 75. But once my pld is 75, i'm goign to bring my war to 75 as well to test out this .. ultimate "chunk of rock"

you'll do next do no damage though. Koenig gives MASSIVE str and dex -

[Uroboros]

Originally posted by Mephisto
you'll do next do no damage though. Koenig gives MASSIVE str and dex -

You're not going to do damage tanking anyway. One handed weapons and/or Earth Staff hit for single digit damage on gods for the most part, max is about 30. This is with full attacker gear. With full def, vit, -dmg gear, you won't do damage regardless.

Also, about LS's not letting WARs lot Koenig...not many LS have more than 2~3 PLDs, and once they have Koenig it's just going to rot if a WAR doesn't pick it up. =] Kabuto is better than Koenig Helm but Gloves are worth picking up. Chest/Legs/Feet WAR has better stuff to wear though.

[Russta]

Originally posted by bolaber
i'm a near lvl 70 pld.. with war and nin around the early 40's.

after talking with taimoor...i realized something... that was blaringly obvious..

war's can wear koenig too!

well what does that mean?

war/nin = def of a paladin and blinkage of a nin

(this is what i a call a chunk of rock)

since no LS will let a war lot on the martial abjurations for warriors. I still plan on getting my pld to lvl 75. But once my pld is 75, i'm goign to bring my war to 75 as well to test out this .. ultimate "chunk of rock"

The theory is there but go watch someone try the practice. Warriors rely on their damage to keep hate because Provoke isn't enough and Warcry has a five minute cool down. Paladins keep it by curing themselves and having a shit load of abilities to pace out throughout the battle. The only "counter arguments" to this won't apply because they would be inefficient for a HNM LS to do consistently.

[Thegod]

saw a nin with scorpian harness+1, peacock charm, and all the goodies, IMO he was the best tank i have ever seen.