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AveNged
09-13-2004, 06:04 PM
only thing i have seen so far...

Pebble DMG:5 Delay:276
Lv.1 WAR/MNK/WHM/BLM/THF/DRK/BST/BRD/RNG/NIN/DRG/SMN

Tathlum DMG:24 Delay:276
Lv.35 WAR/MNK/WHM/BLM/THF/DRK/BST/BRD/RNG/NIN/DRG/SMN

Astragalos DMG:32 Delay:276
Lv.50 WAR/MNK/WHM/BLM/THF/DRK/BST/BRD/RNG/NIN/DRG/SMN

W0ot Pebbles/Expensive things Congrats!

/clap

please post if you have seen any other drg usable weps.

Laehn
09-13-2004, 07:50 PM
Dont diss the pebbles!!! Theyre fun as hell when you wanna take out some anger on some helpless rarab outside of town. Or just piss someone off in ballista!

Regulat0r
09-13-2004, 07:51 PM
Is it me or does square-enix dont even know what each class needs? Its like they never even played the game before. What dragoon is going to be throwing tathlums in battle? Jeese.

This "boost" is just as crappy as giving blm scythes.

Laehn
09-13-2004, 07:59 PM
The only people who really USE ranged weapons are thfs and nins from my experience. Yet so many jobs can use them all. Probably because any idiot could throw something wether they need to or not.

Drgs get a bunch of new fancy armor that looks pretty nice and im sure some new weapons are on the way too.

Drogen_Shomuro
09-14-2004, 12:04 AM
These throwing weapons are useful for all those situations where I somehow get stuck pulling. Other than that, I don't really see a use.

What's the TP gain on these? On my Thf, I can build a good 24 TP on the pull using my x bow...

Night Stalker
09-14-2004, 12:22 AM
think of some of the stats boost i havent looked yet buut maybe they can get bomb core what like 500k or something like that and i dont thing anyone would toss that lol

SolidSnake207
09-14-2004, 02:23 AM
Can't get a Bomb Core.. ; ; That was the first thing I tried for.

Rubik
09-14-2004, 07:29 AM
DRG gets a bunch of fancy new armor, most of which is level 70 or better. Granted, this is when DRG needs the most help, but still, more was needed. The shade set might be good against undead (Mysterytour translated it as "Empty Killer" which I assume means undead) but it is such a low level as to be useless. The level 50 pants that give wyvern health +30 are nice but AF pants come in at 52 and I really don't see the point.

Including wyvern in Super Jump is wonderful... for that 1% of the time the wyvern draws hate.

It's not so much that I had counted on throwing weapons as a major part of my gameplay but when SE announced it I thought "well, finally something at least". Limiting the items to pebbles and the like is a slap in the face. Sure, most people use thrown weapons for pulls and a pebble works as well as a boomerang, but then why not let DRG use a boomerang?

At level 53 I obviously don't have Wheeling Thrust so I can't speak for that change. That they improved it at all is encouraging.

Some will read this and chalk it up to DRG's whining again. However, those tend to be the same people who claim to refuse to invite DRGs and will drop a PT if a DRG is invited. They will say we should go play another job. The fact is that I have invested 53 levels into DRG. I enjoy the job but I am starting to see my usefulness diminish and I am not happy about it.

I am willing to meet SE halfway - I will farm, mine, and garden the gil to get some good gear. In return I would like to see SE do something to make us more able to contribute. I don't want to be overpowered, I just want to do my part... and for god sakes, will they please add wyvern damage output to the party display. Sure it's spam, but it makes a point.

I saw a lot of DRG at the AH in Jueno for the first time in a long time last night. Most looked like they were crying.

Lamentation
09-14-2004, 08:02 AM
Why do people assume that just because Dragoons only get a small set of itmes to throw... right now... that it won't change in a week? Ok, yeah... dragoons can throw pebbles and thalums now. But there is SO MUCH gear coming with the expansion that obviously the rest of their throwing weapons are yet to appear.


And besides, most Blackmages I know are pretty stoked about getting scythes. ^^

Balfree
09-14-2004, 09:22 AM
At first i tought they would be throwing Javelins and using a bolt gun (some kind of large bolt launching weapong resembling a crossbow) those would make sense?

Also this is mighty weird, Jacques, the mighty dragon slayer who killed Bahamut with a pebble he found on the dirt, omg he's teh leet! let's all become dragoons so we can throw pebbles! omg.

ddg
09-14-2004, 09:50 AM
We already have the updates from CoP, nothing new is coming from it. Buying the game and registering it will only give us access to the new areas.

mccoulick
09-14-2004, 03:07 PM
The throwing weapons weren't really that big for me. What I was looking for in this update was improvement, and we got it. That new set of lvl 70 armor is just awesome, gave us attack, str and emnity and wheeling thrust fix makes it a LOT easier to pull hate off the tank so the THF or /THF can trick on the tank. So this update was really big for DRGs.

Anaki
09-14-2004, 03:20 PM
empty killer in my ponit of view isnot poor translation its full translation empty killer well whats empty oh emptiness and thsoe new emptylike monsters so emtpykiller is increased damage in emptiness

GSDragoon
09-14-2004, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by mccoulick
The throwing weapons weren't really that big for me. What I was looking for in this update was improvement, and we got it. That new set of lvl 70 armor is just awesome, gave us attack, str and emnity and wheeling thrust fix makes it a LOT easier to pull hate off the tank so the THF or /THF can trick on the tank. So this update was really big for DRGs.

How much is wheeling thrust doing for you?

Balfree
09-14-2004, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by Anaki
empty killer in my ponit of view isnot poor translation its full translation empty killer well whats empty oh emptiness and thsoe new emptylike monsters so emtpykiller is increased damage in emptiness

what :confused:

modnar
09-15-2004, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by Rubik

In return I would like to see SE do something to make us more able to contribute. I don't want to be overpowered, I just want to do my part... and for god sakes, will they please add wyvern damage output to the party display. Sure it's spam, but it makes a point.


I agree completly with the Wyvern's damage being shown in the battle. And its not like its that much spam, its just to show how much is actualy being dealt!

Rubik
09-15-2004, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by Anaki
empty killer in my ponit of view isnot poor translation its full translation empty killer well whats empty oh emptiness and thsoe new emptylike monsters so emtpykiller is increased damage in emptiness

Yeah, that occurred to me after I posted. Empty killer likely refers to the creatures that would be found in the emptiness zones.

mccoulick
09-15-2004, 10:48 AM
I haven't had a chance to use wheeling thrust in lvl up yet but my friend who is lvl 75 drg told me he was doing 600-700 damage in Dynamis.

Laehn
09-15-2004, 03:21 PM
Hey, thats not bad at all. Does wheeling thrust stack with SATA?

600-700 with breath equates to what?

Rogan
09-15-2004, 03:47 PM
sorry to be the one to break the bad news but I talked to a Drg I kinda know...she said that her damage with wheeling thrust on IT mobs only went from about 200 to about 300, yeah it's something I guess to tell the truth I expected more though

Darkani
09-15-2004, 07:14 PM
My wheeling does 400-600 on too weak.
Maybe it is affected by some stat now like CHR.

Rogan
09-18-2004, 07:57 AM
well now ive looked at a thread that says it does 280-720, which is fine for me, so eh I guess it's ok