DRG whining

[Darkani]

Im tierd to hear all drg complain about how they cant get party and do crap damage and all that.
Im lvl 65 now, almost 66 an have never had problems getting party. And in party I outdamage all other melees except for rng and that without Wyvern.
At least the numbers I get from my parser says Im doing most of the damage.

My equip:
GK lance
Valkyries mask
Mermans gorget
Assault earring
Mermans earring
Feral jerkin
Battle bracers +1
2xSniper rings (Lightning ring)
Amemit mantle +1
Life Belt
Feral Throusers
Drachen Greaves



And I dont care about if we do crap damage on bones the last 5 lvls when we have been one of the best DD 65-70 lvls before that.
Some of our WSs sure sucks but over all we do very good damage.

I think it is DRGs that destroy our own popularity.

[Sabastion]

Blah blah blah I'm a high lvl, I magicly outdmg everyone blah blah blah I'm not giving you proof blah blah blah.
STFU The only people that whine about drg are people whining about the ones that know drg needed some changes.

[tdh]

DRG seems to have been given a bad name after the TP nerf. I think some people just downgraded DRG to useless after that "update."

At Lv.51 I see tons of DRGs and MNKs with their flags up for hours. I've partied with a few at this level, they don't suck, but they don't do as much damage as myself or a MNK do. And fighting a lot of gobbys, or Anticans with AoE attacks, the Wyvern isn't out or alive long.

I would agree that DRG needs some fixing, but they're not as horrible as they seem to be viewed as of late.

[bbcradical_ed]

One reason I can't party with DRG much? Skillchains

I have nothing against DRGs. Neat looking job, but unfortunately, until lv 71/72, DRG and I can't do a Lv. 3 SC (darkness).

Nothing against DRG, but i can't work with DRG well. (possibilities for SC are Transfixion and Induration I believe (no map with me)). On some mobs, that's fine, but others, no.

But you can't complain with a DRG + THF combo :rolleyes: I see those quite often and wish I could join:( :( :(

[tdh]

For me, (DRK) it's hard to get a ~good~ Skillchain with a MNK. We can do it, but it requires one of us to use one of our worse Weapon Skills. (Shadow of Darkness - Raging Fists = Impaction \ Backhand Blow - SA Nightmare Scythe = Darknes)

I've done some good damage in skillchains with a DRG/THF. SA Double Thrust - SA Nightmare Scythe. Each one doing 360-450dmg. :biggrin: But you being a SAM, your whole game is setting up Skillchains.

[Darkani]

Sabastion: ok mister know-it-all I guess if I show the logs youll say I edited them ^^; so any other idea how I shuld give your proof?

Thanks to all who try and make people know what drg really is.

[Sabastion]

Originally posted by Darkani
Sabastion: ok mister know-it-all I guess if I show the logs youll say I edited them ^^; so any other idea how I shuld give your proof?

Thanks to all who try and make people know what drg really is. :rolleyes:

[Jayna]

Originally posted by bbcradical_ed
One reason I can't party with DRG much? Skillchains

I have nothing against DRGs. Neat looking job, but unfortunately, until lv 71/72, DRG and I can't do a Lv. 3 SC (darkness).

Nothing against DRG, but i can't work with DRG well. (possibilities for SC are Transfixion and Induration I believe (no map with me)). On some mobs, that's fine, but others, no.

But you can't complain with a DRG + THF combo :rolleyes: I see those quite often and wish I could join:( :( :(


Funny you say that since Dragoon and Samurai are one of the easiest pairs to skillchain together. You can do Compression, Transfixion, Gravitation, Detonation, Distortion, Induration, Fragmentation, Liquifaction, Fusion and Impaction renkeis. As for your not having a Lv. 3 darkness skillchain, you can make one at level 65 with: Tach: Jinpu > Penta Thrust > Tachi: Gekko.

[Dark Queen]

Darkani, we complain about DRG POST-66. The complaint isn't that our regular dmg is low, it's that our WS are subpar compared to everyone elses. At this level you're mainly going to be doing Light SC's almost exclusively til 75 (it's rare that you will do Darkness). And guess what, Wheeling Thrust averages 200 dmg or so, while everyone else will be doing over 1k dmg :3 Skillchains, and the MB following it, are what totally destroys mobs. So you tell me.

[Darkani]

You can have a point there. So far its been good. And if they make Wheeling Thrust better now we can continue to do good damage:)

Sorry if I talk about things I dont know much about yet. But I see many drg under 60 say they suck and thats not true if you not using extremely sucky equip.

Imo drg is one of the best DD at least to 65

[bbcradical_ed]

Funny you say that since Dragoon and Samurai are one of the easiest pairs to skillchain together. You can do Compression, Transfixion, Gravitation, Detonation, Distortion, Induration, Fragmentation, Liquifaction, Fusion and Impaction renkeis. As for your not having a Lv. 3 darkness skillchain, you can make one at level 65 with: Tach: Jinpu > Penta Thrust > Tachi: Gekko.



the 3 parts sc kinda destroys having a sam and blm in pt on occasions:rolleyes: I don't have endlesst tp

[GSDragoon]

Originally posted by Dark Queen
Darkani, we complain about DRG POST-66. The complaint isn't that our regular dmg is low, it's that our WS are subpar compared to everyone elses. At this level you're mainly going to be doing Light SC's almost exclusively til 75 (it's rare that you will do Darkness). And guess what, Wheeling Thrust averages 200 dmg or so, while everyone else will be doing over 1k dmg :3 Skillchains, and the MB following it, are what totally destroys mobs. So you tell me.

/em prays that the patch will be good to us DRG's.

[Blood Red Poet]

Blah blah blah I'm a high lvl, I magicly outdmg everyone blah blah blah I'm not giving you proof blah blah blah.
STFU The only people that whine about drg are people whining about the ones that know drg needed some changes.


Bah, I get warning points for calling someone stupid for saying the expansion pack will suck, and this cocky person gets away with this >.>; bullshit.

[Khaeos]

Ok, to all this, to which there are points that are true on both sides, I would merely like to point out something.

If you truly worked on your DRG, diversified him, then yes...he can be comparable to others. Many are just stuck in a linear rut as to the way DRG should be played.

As for WS and SC's, Its been confirmed that Wheeling Thrust is going to be enhanced in CoP. Now, if they enhance it as much as they did the DRK ws, then you will no longer have to worry about SC's or damage ever again.

My point is this. Each job deserves a chance, given by the people who playthe job. There is always a way to get around any difficulty.

[Sabastion]

Originally posted by Blood Red Poet
Bah, I get warning points for calling someone stupid for saying the expansion pack will suck, and this cocky person gets away with this >.>; bullshit. Boo-hoo?

Seriously theres Dozens of threads on what drg needs to be fixed, accuracy of jump's, Hexastrike practically outdamging Wheeling thrust, -% penaties on plm. Theres always intelligent conversation until some over zealous drg probaly only lvl 30 or under comes in and claims to outdmg everyone 'cause they're so 1337 blah, blah, blah.
If you want a discussion why you think drg is 100% balanced with all other jobs and needs Nothing to be changed then post intelligent information post those parser logs you have rather then just say you have them, explain everyones equip, situation, how you over come penaties on certain mobs ect, ect but don't start threads calling people whiners just because you clam to be uber.

[Darkani]

http://www.jenovasvittnen.com/FFXIReport.rtf
There is the logs, for some reason my wyverns attacks didnt log

DRK1 is a good drk with 2 sniper and some other things dont really remember everything he had.

DRK2 doesnt have as good equip as DRK1 but its still ok.

[Gibreel]

Although Sabastion is right about dragoon having some actual issues that deserve improvement, it'd be nice if he didn't make his arguements like a tantrum-throwing five year-old.

The main problem i see is pretty simple: Wheeling Thrust is just kindof a cruel joke. There's no reason that a lvl 3 renkei skill from a weapon that is primarily used by damage-dealers should be so weak. But guess what? It's going to be "enhanced". Depending on what that means, maybe we'll have less to whine about. If it ends up doing similar damage to Dragon Kick or Tachi: Gekko, fine by me. At least it would have a shot of producing a decent light effect. So it's not going to be the same as SATA + Cross Reaper?
So what -- let's all sub thief so we can have our egos stroked by doing a 1000 point hit every once in awhile.

Good post Darkani - even though i don't agree that there is nothing to be improved. Your parsing shows pretty much what mine has ever since i downloaded it back in the 50's. Dragoon has and will continue to compare favorably with Darkknights, Samurai, Monks, and Thieves. Now Rangers are another story... If you ever want to feel useless, party with a rich Rng/Nin with optical hat, peacock charm, and all that other good stuff - it's just unfair :handsdown -- but that's a subject for another whine

[Weezingpipes]

One reason I can't party with DRG much? Skillchains

Bear in mind I haven't played in a few months now, but I seem to recall your level range being the suck for SAM in general. At that level you can basically make Darkness with PLD or NIN, and thats it, and since Cross Reaper is still stronger Distortion based ws, it diminishes the SAM value in a party compared to other jobs. If I am wrong feel free to correct me.

I think the *few* times I grouped with a SAM at that level (which may have been 1 time or so) we get stuck with level 2 skillchains anyway, usually just doing Distortion. Not necessarily a bad thing as I recall Distortion seemed the fail safe lvl 2 skillchain for a long ass time.

Seems not much has changed at all.

[SolidSnake207]

Yippy... An extra 50-100 damage on Wheeling Thrust...? Is this it...? My god! Very disappointed but I'm glad SE has acknowledged that there is a problem and is working on correcting this... :(

[zerohaste]

That's all you're getting?

Hmm. Something wrong there, then. I'm getting damage as if double attack fired. 400ish, consistant.

If you were honestly expecting any more than what DA would have given you, you're expectations were far too high.

Highest in my party tonight on IT weapons was 532, when DA fired. Highest single hit was 450ish. Seems pretty damn good to me, considering I used to hit 150-200 on IT.

[Zihn]

compared to the old wheeling thrust it's good yes, but try to look at the other jobs ws.

tested this out on Fafnir after server up and all ws was with sneak attack on, wheel thrust did around 450 dmg... warrior can do 1500 dmg with steel cyclone, dark knight ca do 1000 dmg with spinnin slash (even more with soul eater) ranger can do 400 with heavy shot (weak ws imo) and 900 with slug shot

[RiceCooker]

hey guys i just got a 50 drg, really disapointed i mean i good melee dmg but when it comes to ws... ive been skillchaining with double thrust up untill now sometimes i do 180dmg other times its lik 60 -_- while monk is busting out his raging thrust for 290 nearly every time its kinda disapointed. ppl keept telling wait till you get penta thrust youll own blah blah so i got penta i have 2 snipers life belt emp pin leaping boots i bust out penta most of time i delt 90 dmg 150dmg??? one time i done 21 dmg... this is all to IT mobs by the way. after reading this thread i dont know if i wanna continue drg i mean the job is great i like having a lance and doing jump attacks but if at higher lvls a war does 1500 ws and i unleash my 200dmg wheeling thrust... now that is just embarrising as a DD. might look at lvling monk for a dd.....

anyway very disapointed in drg right now :(