Elvaan Ranger

[Gunblade Master]

Is elvaan ranger a good choice??? They have the lowest agility but in all of the cinemas and the pictures i see them frequently. Can someone give me some reasons why they are good as rangers and why they arent, thanx in advance!!! Sorry if this has been done before!

[Caspian]

Basically what it boils down to is this:
Elvaan: lowest agility but highest strength, and what many ppl consider to be the coolest animations
Mithra: highest agility but lower strength
The differences in STR ang AGI early in the game are very low, and by the time when you reach 75 where they are at there greatest, it boils down to around 7 r. acc...easily overcome with the proper gear, and likewise if you're a mithra looking for extra strength. The general consensus is that race is the least important stat when it comes to jobs like these. (Player performance being first and foremost followed by gear).
There's actually a forum right under this one about this topic that is more explanatory...its titled mithra or elvaan? take a look at it, it has some good insights.

[Mercutia]

Originally posted by Prince Caspian
Basically what it boils down to is this:
Elvaan: lowest agility but highest strength, and what many ppl consider to be the coolest animations
Mithra: highest agility but lower strength
The differences in STR ang AGI early in the game are very low, and by the time when you reach 75 where they are at there greatest, it boils down to around 7 r. acc...easily overcome with the proper gear, and likewise if you're a mithra looking for extra strength. The general consensus is that race is the least important stat when it comes to jobs like these. (Player performance being first and foremost followed by gear).
There's actually a forum right under this one about this topic that is more explanatory...its titled mithra or elvaan? take a look at it, it has some good insights.

He couldnt have said it any better

[Rikuya]

many elv rngs in my server. Very powerful, their dmg is amazing, whatever race it is, if you have right gear, thats all its matters.

[Stanislav]

I would say Elvaan do the most dmg as RNG... Races really dont matter but after leveling my tHF with my friend RNG who was hume he did 1000 dmg slug shot in Ro'Maeve with Othinus Bow' and me as elvaan I do 1200 O_O and only difference in our gear is I ahve Striders and Optical hat.

[Stanislav]

I think the pic below says its all.

Meecha is a mithra and I am elvaan.

Same level and our gear is almost same escept i am accuracy based and she is attack based.

I missed one slug shot out of like 50
She missed atleast 2-3

I out dmg her on almost every hit and on every slug shot.

Theres ur answer.. its clear :spin:

[Corrado]

I could show the screenshot of me hitting 1900 slug shot in an exp pt, and say "taru str isn't gimped!".. but it wouldn't be fair choosing one screenshot :P

Run a parser and compare.. last elvaan ranger i played with was a total let down.. but he was a japanese guy who stopped firing all the time so he wouldn't get aggro :sweat:

[Narru]

Originally posted by Stanislav
I would say Elvaan do the most dmg as RNG... Races really dont matter

Sounds like you can't make up your mind. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Stanislav
I think the pic below says its all.
I out dmg her on almost every hit and on every slug shot.
Theres ur answer.. its clear :spin:

/sigh Why can't you just say the races are equal? And that equipment makes the ranger.

Was gonna post a counterpoint supporting mithra rng > elvaan rng, but not gonna be a hypocrite. :dead:

[RangerDade]

slugshot/sidewinder dmg is really big range, i can pull a 900 sidewinder, next 1 1500. race doesnt matter much for rng as much as other jobs (galka blms, elvaan thfs)

[Stanislav]

Originally posted by Narru
Sounds like you can't make up your mind. :rolleyes:



/sigh Why can't you just say the races are equal? And that equipment makes the ranger.

Was gonna post a counterpoint supporting mithra rng > elvaan rng, but not gonna be a hypocrite. :dead:

It was kinda a joke post becuase if u notice she has ATK gear and I hve ACC gear.. There was only 1-2 slugs shots that I have a big range over her, but normally it was like 20-80 dmg difference.

I am just saying Elvaan better cause I am Elvaan :sweat:
People always say they suck so cut them some slack :spin:

[Stanislav]

Originally posted by RangerDade
slugshot/sidewinder dmg is really big range, i can pull a 900 sidewinder, next 1 1500. race doesnt matter much for rng as much as other jobs (galka blms, elvaan thfs)

Same goes for THF and RNG... BLM does have a difference though.
Here is proof for THF :thumbsup:

[Timoham]

THF is a totally different matter regarding race than RNG is. With sneak attack being based solely on dex and not str and trick being based on agi and also not str, a mithra in the same gear is going to do noticably more damage. If you ask me, elvaan is really the worst race for a thf for their poor dex compared to a mithra :\

[sharlngan]

um get a ranger to do sidewinder to that same fly they will do more than a thief guaranteed

[tdh]

I've partied with some really crappy RNGs, and some pretty good ones. I partied with an Elvaan RNG who broke the bank on all his gear, did good damage but was a chicken shit. So he slowed down his damage instead of trusting the tank.

I partied with a Mithran RNG, who seemed to rarely miss, but would start the fight out with Barrage and wonder why he died so damn much. (Honestly, I've seen a lot of RNGs use Barrage before PLD can get a real hold on hate.)

For me, my RNG is only Lv.17. I think with rings, bow, necklace and arrows, I have RngAcc+18. And I think I have AGI+3. I hit at a decent percentage, but the other RNGs I have seen have poor gear. AGI+1 rings, instead of RngAcc+3 rings. Still using Lv.12 bow. As a WAR with a Great Axe, I could hit them at times. (RngDmg41 (highest) 55 Critical | Great Axe 45 a number of times, and 75 Critical) But I do realize those were two weak RNGs.

At Lv.17 with the gear I have, I hit at a good rate, even with my crappy Elvaan AGI.

[sharlngan]

nyeh lotsa poopy rangers around these days ._. last inght there were 3 rangers lfg at jeuno so sad ._.

[Pie]

Originally posted by sharlngan
nyeh lotsa poopy rangers around these days ._. last inght there were 3 rangers lfg at jeuno so sad ._.

your a poopy ranger because your sub isnt leveled.

[Stanislav]

Originally posted by Timoham
THF is a totally different matter regarding race than RNG is. With sneak attack being based solely on dex and not str and trick being based on agi and also not str, a mithra in the same gear is going to do noticably more damage. If you ask me, elvaan is really the worst race for a thf for their poor dex compared to a mithra :\

Judging that your level 50I will let it pass..

Sneak and Trick is based on DEX and AGI right but it can be fixed with money and dont go saying that a mithra can spend money too and still have more dex because there is a damage cap. If a mithra bases all her gear on DEX and AGI then an Elvaan will out-damage the mithra hard due to the fact elvaan have high STR.

I have yet to see a mithra out damage me but I have seen some that do as much.

[RangerDade]

dude, indivual screenshots like that arnt impressive. i mean your on flies(dagger does more to them) + you had a brd lol. I remember arching arrow not being a shitty closing ws on flies back 67-68.

but back to topic, race doesnt that matter but im goin to direct a post from another forum.
http://www.ik-ffxi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=787
basicly it says slugshot and heavy shot are agi based, when calculating bonus dmg, but str does effect your base atk. :)

[sharlngan]

nyeh say what u wish i love my subjob and dade loves it too :D

[Fullmetal]

I would be embarrassed to have a lvl 20 sub at lvl 60. Hell i felt embarressed when my warrior was 30/14 doing his advanced job quest on NA release.

[poweryoga]

I'd get nin to 25 for dual wield II but beyond that its just miniscule stat bonuses.

[JayblahX]

Originally posted by Stanislav
Judging that your level 50I will let it pass..

Sneak and Trick is based on DEX and AGI right but it can be fixed with money and dont go saying that a mithra can spend money too and still have more dex because there is a damage cap. If a mithra bases all her gear on DEX and AGI then an Elvaan will out-damage the mithra hard due to the fact elvaan have high STR.

I have yet to see a mithra out damage me but I have seen some that do as much.

Its called macro-swapping, ever heard of it?

Get the hell off your Elvaan-fanboy kick and come to grips that Mithra is the best race for Thief and Elvaans are the worst race for Thief.

Players having your ridiculous gil can try and compensate, but a Mithra will always be superior to an Elvaan in the Thief job all things equal.

Its always amazing what you'll see Elvaans arguing. They'll try to argue they are the best Mage, the best Thief, the best everything. Fuck, the entire game should be comprised solely of Elvaans and nothing else, you guys are apparently just that awesome. :rolleyes:

Originally posted in the Thief forums by another user:
Mithra>Taru>Hume>Galka>Blind, stoned, obese and drunk barbery ape>Elvaan

Seriously, Elvaan Thiefs are beyond shit, they are just unbarable later on and thats assuming you get "a good one". An Elvaan Thief a few weeks back was hitting an average 300-400 less on Dancing Edge than the Mithra Thief's I had partied with the previous few days. Utter, utter shit - do not consider it.
:thumbsup:

[neighbortaru]

lol. Hmm, I remember someone being an Elvaan back when he started... now he hates them with fervor... my how times have changed ;)

[JayblahX]

I don't hate them at all. I just hate rampant stupidity and this zealous pro-Elvaan stance prevalent everywhere.

I'm now a Galka, and I can assure you will never catch me saying stupid-ass shit like a Galka makes "the best" RDM, or "the best" THF.

Yet, you see this shit with Elvaans ALL the time. Its pathetic, frankly.

[Narru]

Originally posted by JayblahX
I don't hate them at all. I just hate rampant stupidity and this zealous pro-Elvaan stance prevalent everywhere.

I'm now a Galka, and I can assure you will never catch me saying stupid-ass shit like a Galka makes "the best" RDM, or "the best" THF.

Yet, you see this shit with Elvaans ALL the time. Its pathetic, frankly.

/nod

Basically the only reason I posted at all. I see mainly Elvaans trying so hard to justify themselves, whereas the other races kinda just keep their mouth shut and play the game. They do not have a need to go on these boards and try to prove, "oh this race is better for this class than that other race." Or "look, I threw 100 times more gil into this job and am outperforming X race."

But to give those Elvaan some credit, there are a lot of "Elvaan suck as job Y" threads out there... My whole point is you should state your facts for the public to see, and then say "see, I just proved an Elvaan Z can perform as well as this other race." And stop there, no need to go beyond that and say "well, I have performed better than every other race I have encountered, thus Elvaans make the best Z."

[neighbortaru]

Originally posted by Narru
But to give those Elvaan some credit, there are a lot of "Elvaan suck as job Y" threads out there... My whole point is you should state your facts for the public to see, and then say "see, I just proved an Elvaan Z can perform as well as this other race." And stop there, no need to go beyond that and say "well, I have performed better than every other race I have encountered, thus Elvaans make the best Z."
I think your first sentence explains alot of the raving going around by elv players. There is really a lot of hate directed at elvaans for some reason. How would you like to be constantly badgered by people saying you can't play the job you want with the race you want?

but we digress.

Ultimately, I think we can all agree that Elvaan can make very good rangers.

[imac2much]

Originally posted by neighbortaru
There is really a lot of hate directed at elvaans for some reason. How would you like to be constantly badgered by people saying you can't play the job you want with the race you want?


You think that's bad, try being a Galka. :rolleyes:

[JayblahX]

:handsdown

Haha, he beat me to it.

You still don't see us "spurned" Galkas coming into the mage forums and going "so this one time I bursted for 2 more damage than a Taru, thus Galkas make the best mage!"

[neighbortaru]

Truth be told, I don't see the hate on galkas as much as elvaan. Aside from mages, galkas are pretty well accepted. As for us elvaan, we get hate on for being mages, thieves, rangers and even melee to some extent (ex. "omg elvaan suck! they miss so much").

[Timoham]

That's because galka don't usually come onto the forums to defend their epenis in my experience. Also in my experience, more people who don't know anything about the game (typically stereotyped as PS2 noobs but not always true) play elvaan and just SUCK at EVERYTHING they do. This has almost always been my experience. And people say elvaan suck at melee because they have the LOWEST DEX in the game meaning they hit a lot less than anyone else. Sure they can spend a lot of money to compensate, but as it's been said, a galka can spend the same amount of money to be equal in gear, but they still have the extra dex boost they get from not being elvaan so they WILL hit more. They also have awesome STR so they will hit for very nice damage.

[neighbortaru]

see what I mean :(

[Stanislav]

The best BLM I ever PT with was a Galka O_O, infact our server has a LS just for Galka and there are a load of mages in it, all JP of course.

[Stanislav]

Originally posted by JayblahX
Its called macro-swapping, ever heard of it?

Get the hell off your Elvaan-fanboy kick and come to grips that Mithra is the best race for Thief and Elvaans are the worst race for Thief.

Players having your ridiculous gil can try and compensate, but a Mithra will always be superior to an Elvaan in the Thief job all things equal.

Its always amazing what you'll see Elvaans arguing. They'll try to argue they are the best Mage, the best Thief, the best everything. Fuck, the entire game should be comprised solely of Elvaans and nothing else, you guys are apparently just that awesome. :rolleyes:

Originally posted in the Thief forums by another user:

:thumbsup:

That part of damage limit on SA/TA dont you get? Which in the end no matter what makes the damage the same in the end.

You don't see me argueing that Elvaan is best BLM becuase there is not damage limit therefore making Taru far more superier cause they can just focusing on upping their INT while Elvaan have to up their MP and INT. But Elvaan have far more HP so they dont die in one swing from an HNM so there is a bonus.

[imac2much]

Uh...

I'm not sure about forums (I don't browse job forums other than PLD that often unless I'm currently playing or thinking about playing the job), but I get "advice" and /tells saying how Galka is inferior in almost every job I've tried, save WAR.

When I was THF, everyone said Galka was bad THF (low DEX or something I guess -_-).
When I was NIN, everyone said Galka was bad NIN (for some reason they think we have low AGI).
When I was RDM, everyone said Galka was horrible RDM (low mp pool, low int).
When I was BLM, everyone said Galka was horrible BLM (low mp pool, low int).
When I was PLD, everyone said Galka was horrible PLD (low mp pool).
When I was BST, everyone said Galka was horrible BST (low CHR, low MP for /WHM).
When I was RNG, everyone said Galka was bad RNG (again, they think we have low AGI, as if that really mattered).

Those are the only jobs I've played as. I understand people think Galka make good DRK's (but I'm sure some people still bash Galka DRK for low mp :rolleyes: ), SAM and MNK but I never played as these.

I and other Galkas get bashed for non-technical related matters ALL the time too... 'omg you're so ugly' blah blah blah. Yeah it's pretty funny sometimes when we're just having fun and semi-role-playing with friends, but it also gets old, especially when it's from random people. I remember in some PT's, I'd suggest a skillchain or strategy, and someone would argue something else... then later his "counter" would be, "I'm not listening to some stupid galka" or crap like that.

It's funny when it's among friends, but random Galka bashing is just annoying and tiring. I'm sure it happens a lot more than bashing of any other race, too.

[JayblahX]

I and other Galkas get bashed for non-technical related matters ALL the time too... 'omg you're so ugly' blah blah blah. Yeah it's pretty funny sometimes when we're just having fun and semi-role-playing with friends, but it also gets old, especially when it's from random people. I remember in some PT's, I'd suggest a skillchain or strategy, and someone would argue something else... then later his "counter" would be, "I'm not listening to some stupid galka" or crap like that.

It's funny when it's among friends, but random Galka bashing is just annoying and tiring. I'm sure it happens a lot more than bashing of any other race, too.

So true.

Superficial people (which usually tend to be Elvaan :p) tend to preen about how "hot" they are. Nevermind that they look like the steamy lovechild of a human, ape, and giraffe (http://www.livejournal.com/users/ffxi_shinryuken/6055.html#cutid1) or that the males sport full-blown cameltoe on their RSE, or stand in a rather suggestive manner... ah forgive me, I got carried away. :sweat:

As has been alluded to in this thread, I started life as an Elvaan and invested a decent amount of hours into him before I noticed two things:
1. I had a UPC Barcode on the back of my neck with the #1029023828912. Its true!
2. I ended up in parties where not only were there 2 or more Elvaans, but they all fucking looked like me. Curse that Elvaan 2b! Children of the Corn anyone? :eek:

So I made a Galka to be able to be "sometimes wacky Jay" and not "Clone #2325252" which is something I'm very thankful for.

Comments like "Whoa! I never get to PT with Galkas, awesome!" make it all worthwhile when derogatory comments from complete strangers get tiring. And its not even original shit intended to ellicit a chuckle. At best its "fatty" or "dumb" ohnoez why j00 so vishus!!111. Next to an Elvaan, a Galka is fucking Thomas Edison (just a jab at the INT stats of the races :thumbsup: ).

All relative man... Simple fact is there are rotten eggs in every bunch; as it were, Elvaans/Humes being heavily populated also sport the highest population of retards due to it. Just bust those chops right back.

Odd turn this thread has taken... the Galkas are going all emo up in here. :cool:

[neighbortaru]

Originally posted by JayblahX
As has been alluded to in this thread, I started life as an Elvaan and invested a decent amount of hours into him before I noticed two things:
1. I had a UPC Barcode on the back of my neck with the #1029023828912. Its true!
2. I ended up in parties where not only were there 2 or more Elvaans, but they all fucking looked like me. Curse that Elvaan 2b! Children of the Corn anyone? :eek:

Aww, it's not that bad Jay. I am partial to 2b myself, but the closest i've gotten to a clone is elvaan 2a.

All relative man... Simple fact is there are rotten eggs in every bunch; as it were, Elvaans/Humes being heavily populated also sport the highest population of retards due to it.

Agreed.

btw, I've never noticed that RSE give us a cameltoe. I'll be a bit more "observent" next time.

[Timoham]

Originally posted by imac2much
When I was PLD, everyone said Galka was horrible PLD (low mp pool).


Wow, you gotta be kidding me. IMO Galkas make the best PLDs because of their VIT and HP. That's what makes or breaks a "traditional" tank IMO.

Also, Galkas have the same DEX as a Hume and only 3 less AGI at 59 so their AGI isn't THAT bad. If we're going to focus on miniscule differences, Elvaan have 7 less AGI than a hume, 7 more STR. Galka miss 3 STR VS. an Elvaan. Not much really. >.> Galka looks more balanced a class for RNG than Hume the more that I think about it. :P

[replica]

sigh.. honestly I picked elvaan for looks lol.

if i was going stat wise i would have gone hume, or mithra >.> maybe.

Thing is, when you have enough gil and playskill.. you should be able to offset the problems your race could present in playing any job. Even the infamous elvaan THF, BLM remarks have been put to shame by people I know <.<

If you like a race, pick it.. if you like a job, play it. Period. (Don't mistake this for saying play blm/drg or anything, though.. subjobs are different.)

[Mikasa]

Originally posted by Stanislav
Same goes for THF and RNG... BLM does have a difference though.
Here is proof for THF :thumbsup:

Sorry stan, everyone knows DRK/THF owns THF for fuidama :biggrin:

[Kousai]

Originally posted by Mikasa
Sorry stan, everyone knows DRK/THF owns THF for fuidama :biggrin:

moron:(

[Rawls]

Originally posted by Kousai
moron:(

I think Mikasa was joking :sweat:

[Mikasa]

Originally posted by Kousai
moron:(

coming from a 30 thf

do i need to say more?

ggthxnore noob~

[Stanislav]

Originally posted by Mikasa
Sorry stan, everyone knows DRK/THF owns THF for fuidama :biggrin:

Everyone knows DRK is useless for everything except Stun :rolleyes:

[Kousai]

Originally posted by Mikasa
coming from a 30 thf

do i need to say more?

ggthxnore noob~

once again, moron :(

[lieb39]

I sense a flamewar coming on..

Closed.


-lieb39