Weapon Choice(messege to new players)

[[SD]DarkDragon]

I'm getting sick and tired of seeing warriors using anything other than an axe or a great axe. I don't care if your becoming a DRK/DRG/PLD/Whatever after you reach wherever your going. If you are going to play warrior, play it right with the weapon they are best at. There is a reason why everyone says use an axe or a great axe as a warrior, you have the highest skillcap with it! Even higher than polearm/scythe/sword/dagger/h2h(although useful at times(damn skeletons), you're not a MNK). Level the weapon you want to use for your advanced job when you play that job, it's not hard to cap out any weapon if you take the time to fight in battles(and yes, I urge mages to melee in battles also, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if you need to stay back or stop meleeing at times).

And to those WAR/WHM, WAR/RDM, or WAR/BLM(never seen one, but have tried it out, the only usefulness to this job/subjob combo is for the DRK quest(stone/slash for quick kills)) out there, if I needed help doing my job healing/nuking, I'd get an oppropriate job to make up for it.

[Drynavere]

There is a reason why everyone says use an axe or a great axe as a warrior, you have the highest skillcap with it!

I do see your point here, at level 50+ the skill caps start to make a real difference on your accuracy, HOWEVER, before level 30, as your example if you are leveling to get an advanced job, the skills that you have are only like 5-10 apart, which is almost nothing at such a low level.

I do agree that warriors should be using axes, or have some damn good equip if they are using a sword or something, but there is no need to be so perfect pre-30, because it doesn't make all that much difference then.

[ZQM]

Originally posted by Drynavere
I do see your point here, at level 50+ the skill caps start to make a real difference on your accuracy, HOWEVER, before level 30, as your example if you are leveling to get an advanced job, the skills that you have are only like 5-10 apart, which is almost nothing at such a low level.

:confused:

There are NO +acc equipment that WAR can wear until 30. Having 5-10 more accuracy means A LOT more at lower levels.

Not to mention Weapon Skills. Like I said, there are NO +acc equipment until 30, so Shield Break is a gift from God. And Raging Axe is a very powerful two hitter, expecially considering it's a one handed weapon.

[Uroboros]

Neckchopper at lv20 has +5 ACC. Which only makes g.axe even better than it already is early on. I see no reason to use anything but g.axe for at least the first 50 levels. Being able to close renkeis for 400-600 damage before skillchain effect at level 30 is not very easy to ignore (THF sub as DD). It's also hard to ignore countering with g.axe (MNK sub as tank).

[Xien]

Though I've used GAX through my first 30 lvls, I really don't notice that much of a difference accuracy wise between weapons. 5-10 isn't accurate either. The difference between an A rank or a B rank weapon at 30 is 4 (93 to 89). Sometimes having a weapon that can start Distortion really helps as you'll be fighting quite a few mobs that are weak to it.

That being said, the only weapon that should be lvled other than axe or gax is Great Sword or Scythe for the warriors who aspire to become Drks. Most other melee have only one weapon they are proficient in. Dragoons use spear until forever, SAMS Gkt, Nin Katana/Sword, Mnk h2h, Drk Scythe, PLD sword. Even then, switch out to axe/gax when your weapon is capped.

As said though, Shield Break is godly :P

Xien

[RedWing19]

Really, I don't care if the War uses and axe, great sword, or Scythe, just as long as they don't use Sword and Shield. The only reason i say this is because War's will have provoke and boost if they sub mnk to help hold hate. Everything else depends on how hard they hit the mob. A sword and a shield will hit a IT mob maybe for a couple of points of dmg, while a bigger weapon like g-axe or g-sword will hit for a more dmg and help bring hate towards you. Also I used G-Axe to 30 and I loved every min of it.

[Mikeb]

Using Great Axe while I was levelling my Warrior was sooo much fun :biggrin: . I've had a few 100+ damage critical hits in EXP parties (before level 30), and Berserk/Double attack was real nice with Great Axe. Shield break is also godly, and Sturmwind does awesome damage considering how early you get it. Tanking was fun as a War/Mnk too - Counterattacks with Great Axe add up to alot of damage, I'd counter 1-5 times per fight usually... Spear is somewhat useful (Double thrust to start distortion), but Great Axe IMO is still the best weapon (good weapon skills, best skill level for warrior, big damage).

[lun4tic]

I mainly stick to axes, but sometimes I'll go axe/sword because swords have some nice effects.

At level 40 I had CC's Axe in main and CC's Scimitar in the other for +10 Atk and +4 Acc. Or was it three? Oh well. Sometimes I'd switch them around if we were fighting bats or if we needed a certain skillchain.

At lower levels it really doesn't matter what weapon people use. I used a great axe, but I've seen several other peoples doing fine with other weapons. It might just be that I don't expect much from lower level parties, but if a dark knight isn't using a scythe or great sword at level fifty, they're considered gimped.

I've seen Drk/Nin dual wield swords which seems gimped to me. War/Nin and Nin get away with it because they have an A in a one handed weapon, but with the power of scythes Drk should really go with that or great swords.

[Bigokk McGock]

I would like to add my experience using a Sword in my off-hand.

I use Bloodsword in my off-hand and have used it ever since 55 when it became available and I can't remember ever seeing it miss (other than when mobs use high evasion boosts and I miss with both Axe and Sword attacks). It's not that I have never missed, but I very rarely ever miss with Sword.

You may not believe this, but it's true.

If some one could explain this I would be greatful.

[bside]

first of all, i don't wanna counter the opinions in this way, but i'm saying this so hopefully others won't get things wrong, wrongly.


WAR is a weapon specialist. i say again, WAR is a specialist in using more weapons than any other jobs.

it is understood, that WAR has the highest weapon rating in Axes, but that doesn't give an excuse of not keeping other weapons up to lvl.

just because WAR has A rating in Axes, that does NOT mean WAR should never use weapons other than Axes. use Axe when u fight Mandoras or Bats, even though ur Polearm skill is at the cap, when they r weak to thrusting attacks? use Axe against Skeletons when ur H2H, if at the cap and w/ help of BRD's songs, could possibly do more dmg? and, still use Axe when there's nobody else who can chain to THF's Viper for Distortion?

before lvl 60, when the weapon rating starts to make more difference, more-atk-and-more-accuracy-so-axes-please idea can go to hell. and don't say WAR/MNK's H2H sucks if u haven't seen how strong that combo can be against skeletons. ever seen WAR/MNK hitting 7-8 times w/ Raging Fists, largely thanks to the AF boots' Double Attack enchancement? i guess not.

[Synbios]

Originally posted by bside
first of all, i don't wanna counter the opinions in this way, but i'm saying this so hopefully others won't get things wrong, wrongly.


WAR is a weapon specialist. i say again, WAR is a specialist in using more weapons than any other jobs.

it is understood, that WAR has the highest weapon rating in Axes, but that doesn't give an excuse of not keeping other weapons up to lvl.

just because WAR has A rating in Axes, that does NOT mean WAR should never use weapons other than Axes. use Axe when u fight Mandoras or Bats, even though ur Polearm skill is at the cap, when they r weak to thrusting attacks? use Axe against Skeletons when ur H2H, if at the cap and w/ help of BRD's songs, could possibly do more dmg? and, still use Axe when there's nobody else who can chain to THF's Viper for Distortion?

before lvl 60, when the weapon rating starts to make more difference, more-atk-and-more-accuracy-so-axes-please idea can go to hell. and don't say WAR/MNK's H2H sucks if u haven't seen how strong that combo can be against skeletons. ever seen WAR/MNK hitting 7-8 times w/ Raging Fists, largely thanks to the AF boots' Double Attack enchancement? i guess not. I wish we could get at least a B- or B for H2H.. ; ; WARs end game weapon is kinda screwed in a way, supposedly next year, people start getting 4th stage of Dynamis weapons, WARs get erm, Gaxe and Gsword? AF1 is axe, we get to use Mistral, not Spin Slash, and we get to use Relic Gsword instead of Axe, makes you wonder what the developers are smoking when deciding on this.

[lun4tic]

If you sub ninja, the Axe/Sword combo is imperitive. Swords have so many different bonuses that axes don't have, and axes have some bonuses that swords don't have. If you're able to switch them in and out of your main hand you've just doubled the amount of weapon skills you have.

[bside]

Originally posted by Synbios
I wish we could get at least a B- or B for H2H.. ; ; WARs end game weapon is kinda screwed in a way, supposedly next year, people start getting 4th stage of Dynamis weapons, WARs get erm, Gaxe and Gsword? AF1 is axe, we get to use Mistral, not Spin Slash, and we get to use Relic Gsword instead of Axe, makes you wonder what the developers are smoking when deciding on this.

back when lvl 50 was the cap (in other words in the very first stage of ffxi), WAR had B rating in H2H. (no + nor - because there wasn't any distinction of that at that time.) but s-e lowered it down to D, and i don't think they'll get it back up, unfortunately, simply because it got lowered once.

one of the underlying reasons for the nerf was that /THF was too strong back then. SA was 100% hit on ALL of the multi-hitting WS' hits, and critical on all hits also. not to mention DEX bonus was added even to /THF's SA. SA+Raging Fists combo was too strong, that other melees were almost useless. SC was always Raging Fists->RLB->Raging Fists, no matter what u were fighting. thus, WAR/THF and MNK/THF were the 2 most wanted jobs. (THF/MNK was also strong, but due to the fact that THF can only use Raging Fists at 50, which was the cap lvl back then, and also that there was no TA yet, WAR and MNK were more favored.)

[Macht]

Well looks like there isn't much left for me to say here, bside seemed to cover all the basics to what I would of commented.

[Blackwar]

i heard a rumor that picks are worse than axes (even though both of them are axes, i know). Is this true?

[Synbios]

Originally posted by Blackwar
i heard a rumor that picks are worse than axes (even though both of them are axes, i know). Is this true? Picks have longer delay and usually adds little damage that the +1 version of axe would have, and most of the time you get to use axe before pick. Most obvious comparison would be Darksteel Axe +1 vs Darksteel Pick.

[Synbios]

Originally posted by bside
back when lvl 50 was the cap (in other words in the very first stage of ffxi), WAR had B rating in H2H. (no + nor - because there wasn't any distinction of that at that time.) but s-e lowered it down to D, and i don't think they'll get it back up, unfortunately, simply because it got lowered once.

one of the underlying reasons for the nerf was that /THF was too strong back then. SA was 100% hit on ALL of the multi-hitting WS' hits, and critical on all hits also. not to mention DEX bonus was added even to /THF's SA. SA+Raging Fists combo was too strong, that other melees were almost useless. SC was always Raging Fists->RLB->Raging Fists, no matter what u were fighting. thus, WAR/THF and MNK/THF were the 2 most wanted jobs. (THF/MNK was also strong, but due to the fact that THF can only use Raging Fists at 50, which was the cap lvl back then, and also that there was no TA yet, WAR and MNK were more favored.) Meh, now they fixed the SA and RF issue they should consider raising WAR's H2H back to a decent grade. >.> It kinda sucks that we aren't able to get quest WS for Asuran. D; (My real motive) I don't care about the Katanas and the 2 ranged. If they were to allow pumping of Merit points into weapon skills, no doubt where mine will all go to.. >.>

[Nameless]

Originally posted by Bigokk McGock
I would like to add my experience using a Sword in my off-hand.

I use Bloodsword in my off-hand and have used it ever since 55 when it became available and I can't remember ever seeing it miss (other than when mobs use high evasion boosts and I miss with both Axe and Sword attacks). It's not that I have never missed, but I very rarely ever miss with Sword.

You may not believe this, but it's true.

If some one could explain this I would be greatful.

I was looking at swords in the AH from the range of 40-60 and I noticed this one. It has higher attack than Darksteel Axe+1 and +4 to str and dex right? Lower delay also I believe? Anyway, it looked really good, and made me consider leveling my sword (which is at level 100). Also it had hp drain. Too bad it's 400k :/

edit - the point I was trying to make with this is that there is a weapon that is better than an axe at that level, making a need to level said weapon.

[Silverback]

So if by me using a sword and shield,could that be the reason why pt's are hard to get? I mean are they looking for the war/mnk with axes then? I have been having a hard time getting into pt"s and was wondering if this is the reason why?

Thanks for any reply:thumbsup:


Silverback

[Circlezero]

Ok you guys are speakin in a totally different language than most new players. Believe it or not, people want to play this game to have fun. Not everyone wants to play so their character is super l337d00dm4n. And I use a shield for extra defense, since Im tanking. Is that a bad idea or what, you guys make it sound like it is. :(

[imac2much]

If you want to play and just have fun, why are you even caring what we say? Just have fun and play your own way :thumbsup:

This is not meant to be a flame. I'm just saying, when most people come to these forums asking for information/advice, it's because they want to play to the best of their abilities.

If you don't want to because it's too much trouble (I can understand that), then just disregard this. But don't expect everyone to think the same as you. Have fun with the game!

[gleneasy]

so y did u post

[ddg]

Because sitting in Jeuno for 4 hours without a single invite isn't fun at all.

Sure, screw around in the beginning, but they'll remember your name and you'll have a bad reputation. Last time I checked people joined EXP parties to get EXP, not fuck around and kill the EXP.

If you're crappy in any way, they'll remember. They wont invite you next time. You have to tough it out until level 40, when it really gets fun.

[Darkedge]

Recently in a CN party a Warrior came into the party and said they could use like 4 different weapons, anyway as soon as she said Great Axe (auto translator, couldnt speak any english) half the party immediately said [Great Axe], and they weren't idiots of course.

Another thing, /nin Axe+Axe doesn't have as many stat bonuses as some Axe+Sword duos, but I've had Wars asked not to use 2 axes because of hate they pulled, lol. :thumbsup:

Anyway invites can get killed if you have a bad reputation, but if no one knows you better than the other War whos seeking, you'll most likely get picked if youre using an axe.

[Denser]

Darkedge your sig owns:)

[Ungerpurr]

Regarding swords at the 30s and nin sub...

I'd much rather have a warrior/nin dualwielding centurion's swords (and the +1/+2 version at 34) than axes in that level range. They have a total of +6 accuracy +8 attack between them, which is pretty damn good, for that level range. Granted, Fast Blade isn't as good as Raging Axe damage-wise, but Red Lotus Blade is infinitely more useful than Gale Axe and Avalanche Axe combined. Smash Axe and Flat Blade are essentially the same weaponskill.

So, if you have a higher accuracy rating, and a higher attack rating, and at least equal, if not better WS with swords (at that particular level), why not use swords?

[ZQM]

Because Axes have a larger DMG. 7 DMG will be a LOT more then 2 acc and 5 ATK you gain from swords.

Also, if the WAR is damage dealing, he should be using a Great Axe. If the WAR is tanking and using Ninja as a subjob, he most likely isn't in the skillchain and therfore will be using Raging Axe, the strongest 1h weaponskill at that level. If he IS in the skillchain, the only reason he would need to use sword is for RLB.

[Ungerpurr]

Well, I guess I wouldn't know too much about war/nin tanking, to be honest...I used war/mnk, fish food, and defender to tank. At level 36, I had 268 defense, which I felt was pretty good - and very rarely lost aggro.

I guess /nin can't use defender, since they don't have boost, so that makes sense they'd want to go with axes for raging axe....with defender on, I'm used to seeing my raging axe do about 10-20 damage, so it doesn't really make a difference anyway. Does /nin also use meat kabobs? If so...I'm guessing I just don't see the appeal of a /nin tank at that level range, seems like you'd just get the shit beat out of you for no real reason, and spend a lot more money than a war/mnk does.

[ZQM]

Originally posted by Ungerpurr
Well, I guess I wouldn't know too much about war/nin tanking, to be honest...I used war/mnk, fish food, and defender to tank. At level 36, I had 268 defense, which I felt was pretty good - and very rarely lost aggro.

I guess /nin can't use defender, since they don't have boost, so that makes sense they'd want to go with axes for raging axe....with defender on, I'm used to seeing my raging axe do about 10-20 damage, so it doesn't really make a difference anyway. Does /nin also use meat kabobs? If so...I'm guessing I just don't see the appeal of a /nin tank at that level range, seems like you'd just get the shit beat out of you for no real reason, and spend a lot more money than a war/mnk does.

which tells you why there are no WAR/NINs at that level. ;)

[Frumply]

With G.Axe being this effective it really makes you wonder why in the hell most DRKs, JP or NA, do not have G.Axe skilled up, or don't have it ready for use. I think there was just once that a DRK volunteered to use G.Axe in a pt that I can remember, other times they were using swords or scythes that, pre-60's, don't have all that much to offer.

[Lamentation]

I commented in another post about makeing mistakes earlier in my carreer that I'm still paying for. To wit- For the first 30 levels of play, I faught with Sword and Spear.. Not because I thought they looked cooler or whatever, but because no one had told me the whys and wherefores of axes.

When a WAR starts out, he has an onion sword.. not an axe. and it seems quite logical to keep fighting with a sword... espically since none of the basic weapon shops even sell bronze axes... it's easy to see why so many young (Not in age, but in experiance) players stay with sword and shield, maybe branching out into greatsowrd or other 'knightly' weapons, rather then going over to axe as soon as possible.

So what's my point? My point is that as more experianced players, it's part of our job to inform new players so that they can be the kind of players we want them to become, and thus adding to both their enjoyment and ours.

(Oh yes, haveing just changed Axe four levels ago, I'm finally catching up to the cap. I'm going to have to do the same to greataxe as soon as I can afford one)

[Nameless]

Bronze axe is sold in the Bastok Markets weapon shop.

I'm not sure about other nations, because I don't level my low jobs there, though.

[Voila!]

It doesn't really matter what weapons warriors use. Most of them use what weapons they plan on using as a later class. It doesn't really matter because the more weapons in a party the more options for a skillchain there are.

[Nameless]

Except when the Warrior is only using Great Sword it isnt really, "more options."

[flipmazzi]

I totally disagree with the first post. THis game is about doing whatever u want. If u want to be a war using a GS, becuase you think it looks cool go for it. Other ppl might hate on you, I say ignore them.
Of course, if u like using G axe because it works best with WAR, i agree with that too.

Everyone should know that axe and g-axe work best with war, but that doesnt mean war is restricted to use only those 2 weapons.

[Armando]

As a Level 30 WAR/MNK who switched from Swords and Great Swords to Axes and Great Axes at 22...I must say it makes ALL the difference in the world. In fact, now I see that one-handed swords are basically the weakest one-handed weapons a WAR can have, save for clubs and daggers, which I've yet to see anyone use (thank God.) The difference in damage between swords and axes is abysmal, and that alone is reason enough to use them. Also, as a tank, you NEED the damage to hold hate, and as a damage dealer you're supposed to do damage. Either way, there's no reason not to opt for stronger weapons. The WS are better too, in my opinion. Raging Axe > Fast Blade. You get Smash Axe 12 levels earlier than Flat Blade. Shield Break is extremely potent, at those levels (not that it stops being potent later on) and granted, Sturmwind is ridiculously strong. The only "gimp" weapon I really consider worth having as a backup is Great Sword because you can set up Distortion with THF when noone else is around. And even so I still avoid switching out of my Great Axe.

Also, while the game is about doing what you want, there's a time and place for everything. Wanna be cool and swing a giant sword around? Do it solo. It's funner than it sounds. Gimping yourself in an exp party, honestly, and I don't mean this as a flame to anyone, is selfish. There's 5 other people in that party that want to have fun too. Gimping yourself gimps them too. There's times where you just have to swallow your pride and do what's best for all. Warrior is a job all to itself, it's not a DRG/PLD/DRK. Have you ever a WHM trying to be a PLD? If you haven't, you're lucky. If you have, then you must know it sucks.

And as for the dual-weilding thing, I'd much rather dual weild two axes than two Centurion's Sword. Like ZQM said, the accuracy and attack isn't enough to compensate for the sheer ammount of damage axes can do. Also, remember that by using a sub-par weapon you're losing potential accuracy since you have a lower skill cap, so your net accuracy gain is what, 1 point? I wouldn't mind using an Axe on my main hand and a Sword on my sub hand though. I think the sword can really compliment the axe. ^^

Ultimately, the decision is up to the player. However, one should never forget that people count on you. Again, I'm not trying to flame anyone, I'm just trying to state my point of view.

[neighbortaru]

gah! my eyes!

[flipmazzi]

Armando I agree and disagree. It boils down to simple situation:

1. WAR with weapon other than axe or great axe gets invite to pt and accepts.
2. WAR does a terrible job as tank/DD, so pt decides to kick him.
3. Now the war has some thinking to do. If he is pissed that he got kicked and wants better parties, he'll switch weapons. This is the logical choice. But lets face it guys, how many ppl in this game have you seen making totally unreasonable decisions? Their reasons are unknown to all of us.
4. So War decides to keep his original weapon. Can I fault him? At first i would say yes, but upon further thought not really. He is doing what he wants to do and thus maximizing his fun in his own way.

It is selfish, simply because it clashes with the enjoyment of others and therefore he is not considering other people whn he makes such a choice.

However, you can also choose to maximize your fun. Get a different pt, or kick the guy, I agree that it would be better if the WAR just had a G-axe in the first place, but that is something you can't control.

I started WAR with sword, trying to skill it up for PLD, fully knowing that G-axe was better. I switched to G-axe at 10, then switched back to sword at 20.
I have never ever been kicked out of a pt cuz im using sword.
I have never ever had someone complain to me because i used a sword not a G-axe.
At 30 I switched to G-axe for good. My reasons were obviously damage output, but I also fell in love with sturmwind.

The bottom line is I made a decision on my own. Thats a great thing about this game.

If someone doesnt know which wep to use for WAR, yes tell them Axe and G-axe. Otherwise I find it annoying and bossy to be telling people how to play a game in which how you play is totally decided by you.

[Nameless]

Originally posted by neighbortaru
gah! my eyes!

[Voila!]

I've seen the crappiest Drk get to level 60, so what's wrong with a warrior using whatever weapon he wants? As long as he switches to Drk he'll succeed even if he's using his own head as a weapon.

[Armando]

1. WAR with weapon other than axe or great axe gets invite to pt and accepts.
2. WAR does a terrible job as tank/DD, so pt decides to kick him.
Part of the problem is that everyone below 30 is used to having a gimped WAR. Only about 1 out of 10 Warriors below level 30 actually bother to use any kind of Axe. This also contributes to the fact that most people don't even know WARs should be using axes, including the WARs themselves. Finally, most people also have this "fuk u i do wat i want worry bout urself cuz i do just fine!!111!!one" attitude. If step two occurred, most people would flip off the party and go get another without thinking about why he got kicked off. This is why I think a thread like this is important, not to flame or degrade WARs who don't use the "correct" weapon, but to at least share important knowledge with them. The decision ultimately still falls on the player, but at the very least, if he/she decides not to play with the optimal setup, it'll be an informed and thought-out decision.

Personally, I think players should ask their party if he/she can use sub-par weapons, be it to cap it or simply because he just wants to. It's courtesy, and that's something that many parties lack. Odds are, they'll be fine with the WAR using other weapons, even if they know it's technically not the best choice. The warrior is happy, and so is the rest of the party. Like I said, most people will just look for another party, so it's not too hard for a WAR to ask the person inviting him if it's ok to use X weapon, unless he happens to be desperate. Of course, reality hardly ever coincides with what's ideal, and I don't expect many Warriors to do this, but it would be nice if one or two people actually considered it.

In retrospect, it's not completely the Warrior's fault; too many parties let them get away with using sub-par weapons. I understand that most people honestly don't care what the Warrior uses, but it goes beyond that - they generally don't care how any of the party members are equipped or if they have "gimped" sub jobs. I know I've only gotten as far as level 30, but the general attitude of most players in random parties at these levels seems to be "every man for himself," and they just see parties as a way to level up. Party members are expendable, and there's no need to be particularly courteous or reasonable with them.

Like I've stated, there's several factors that lead to Warriors not using axes. Lack of knowledge, indifference from other party members, personal preference, etc. The one factor that is under our control is informing them about the benefits and downsides of both using axes and other weapons. We have no right to choose for them, but at the very least we can allow them to make an informed decision.

[Kain16]

Before i became a samurai i used G.Axe all the time the dmg and ws's hlped me keep hate and by time i was in my 20's and pt's started finden plds i made a great DD just usin berserk all the time. alot of the time in quifim i was invited into pt because they saw I was usin a G.Axe i would get comments all the time like "finally a war with some sense" or "thank god u hardly see war usin great axe now adays" its my favorite weapon for the job and ill use it again when i lvl job to 40

[Armando]

Before i became a samurai i used G.Axe all the time the dmg and ws's hlped me keep hate and by time i was in my 20's and pt's started finden plds i made a great DD just usin berserk all the time. alot of the time in quifim i was invited into pt because they saw I was usin a G.Axe i would get comments all the time like "finally a war with some sense" or "thank god u hardly see war usin great axe now adays" its my favorite weapon for the job and ill use it again when i lvl job to 40
From levels 20-30 a WAR/MNK tank using a great axe and kabobs can easily outdamage a DRK without having to put up Berserk (which is a HORRIBLE idea while tanking other than activating it briefly while doing a WS, for those of you who don't know.) Heck, a WAR/MNK tank if played right can easily outhate anyone from levels 10-30. It's funny how you mention those comments, 'cuz I do get that kinda thing myself, and I find myself saying it to others as a reflex whenever I'm not the tank and I find a WAR with a Great Axe, kabobs, and up-to-date sub and gear.

[flipmazzi]

In retrospect, it's not completely the Warrior's fault; too many parties let them get away with using sub-par weapons. I understand that most people honestly don't care what the Warrior uses, but it goes beyond that - they generally don't care how any of the party members are equipped or if they have "gimped" sub jobs. I know I've only gotten as far as level 30, but the general attitude of most players in random parties at these levels seems to be "every man for himself," and they just see parties as a way to level up. Party members are expendable, and there's no need to be particularly courteous or reasonable with them.

I agree, but the only problem is when a player wants to level the goal is to do so fast and that means finding a pt as fast as possible. This method doesn't allow people to be picky. Sure, a WAR with the right weapon would be optimal to have in a party, But very few people have the patience to invite a WAR, see he has a sub-par weapon, and then kick him, and repeat. Doing so could extend the downtime for a long amount of time. Slow XP is better than no XP.

For the same reason some people don't like making parties,they'd rather wait to get an invite and hope to be the sixth member just because its usually quicker, but im getting off subject.

There's really nothing else to say...as long as everyone understands that if they want to benefit their pt the most. Use axe or G-axe.

Anyone wanna bet five gil someone asks which weapon WAR should use in the next week?

[GrimScorpio575]

Okay, I am a new player.. and correct me if I'm wrong but..

I was under the impression that the role of a warrior is as a tank in a party. Not as a damage dealer. Now, I have been switching off sword and greatsword as I have been levelling up and working my ways towards thirty when I can get sam. The reason I use greatsword is to improve parry a lot faster, which has worked out well. And I use sword/shield in a party because shield block helps to deflect more damage off of me, thus not having to force our healers to heal so often as well. Once I get parry and s. block about even I'm going to go back to using s/s for partying and greatsword for soloing.

So why is this bad if a warrior is supposed to be a tank and not a damage dealer? I can hold hate via provoke with relative ease thus far (Level 11). All you have to do is pay attention and take it back when the mage or damage dealer draws it. I would think it would be preferable to your party to be staying alive as much as possible and not dishing out damage.

[Cali]

WAR is a tanker, as far as I know... but also the most flexible job... at times, a NIN/WAR or PLD/WAR would do better than a WAR, and it'd be better if a WAR can use a damage dealer weapon rather than a tanker weapon(single handed for shield + parry, and may be other equips that may reduce offense for better defense).

Afterall, WAR is the only job with the ability to wield almost everything... so why not fully use that, so you can create any skillchain to fit the party need?

>>flipmazzi that's why we use exp comment? I have seen many high lvl WAR have comments like:
@4000tnl SJ: XXX XXX XXX
Weapon: Great Axe, Axe, Sword
Food: O
or stuffs like that.... though not many care to read, or even use the comment >_>;

[Voila!]

Warriors can tank well, and they can deal damage very well. They can compete with Drks for damage as War/Nin up to 50, then at 50 they completely blow them away.

[Yukimura]

Originally posted by neighbortaru
gah! my eyes!

:handsdown :thumbsup:

But yeah, i think it really is based on situations. If you are wanted for this SC or that SC you need certain weapons. I personally would keep axe, sword (including Great types) all leveled. I personally play a war/nin and like to use axe/sword because like some other people pointed out you get certain bonuses from certain weapons. And honestly i still do good dmg. I dont know i like weapons lol. I use them all ^^

[Lmnop]

Warriors can tank well, and they can deal damage very well. They can compete with Drks for damage as War/Nin up to 50, then at 50 they completely blow them away.

So true.....
So sad, but so true....

[TenTen]

I've been asked a total of one (1) times what weapon I use. I said I use an axe, and I was not invited. So much for that.
All other parties seemed to be rather fine with whatever I do, as long as it works out in the end. Not levelling all the weapons I can level decently good, is a waste of potential.

Of course that means only using a sword is bad. But only using an axe is not really better.

[Thegod]

Originally posted by RedWing19
Really, I don't care if the War uses and axe, great sword, or Scythe, just as long as they don't use Sword and Shield. The only reason i say this is because War's will have provoke and boost if they sub mnk to help hold hate. Everything else depends on how hard they hit the mob. A sword and a shield will hit a IT mob maybe for a couple of points of dmg, while a bigger weapon like g-axe or g-sword will hit for a more dmg and help bring hate towards you. Also I used G-Axe to 30 and I loved every min of it.

my warrior is not that high, level 30,a and i only leveled him to sub to mnk, rng, and nin

BUT... i can tell you for fact that my mithran war never hit for single digit dmaage on IT++ mobs, and i used a hand axe from level 1-30 (because the skill was already capped from leveling rng)

oh and if you think capping gaxe when axe is already capped is not that big of a deal, think about it like this, at level 10 i remember hitting as hard with each hand axe swing as i hit with each great axe swing (BECAUSE MY GAXE WAS LEVEL 3 WHILE MY AXE WAS 24 OR SOMETHING, WHATEVER THE CAP IS) so yeah hand axe is perfectly fine, and with a latern shield, you doo very decent damage.

[Voila!]

It sucks inviting a warrior to your party just to find out he's using a sword and shield when you already have a ninja or paladin. Just use a great axe. It's the best weapon you can use, and gives you more felxability then resigning yourself to the sword and shield.

[Mithrael]

Probably the best thing to do is to talk to the WAR before you invite them and tell them which role you intend for them to fill. A tank war will not only use a different weapon, but also a different sub than a damage dealing war (mnk or nin vs. mnk, sam, thf, or nin). They'll sometimes use different food.

It's fine to say "blah blah you're not using an A weapon" but if scission is the best skillchain you can pull off with axe/great axe and you're fighting beetles, what's the point? If you can use a B weapon, lose 5% accuracy but boost party damage (via better skillchain and magicbursts) greater than 5% then you should use the B weapon. In a party based game, you can't always worry about whether or not you are doing the most in your party. Sometimes you have to gimp yourself (*cough* vorpal scythe *cough*) for a few parties, or a few levels (*cough* lv.49 to lv.65 *cough*) so that your party can function better as a whole.

Warriors were given good ratings in many weapons to be versatile. They are indeed the most versatile of all of the classes, appearing as EX on nearly every weapon class. They have access to nearly all of the quested weapon skills. As far as I can tell, they are also the only job that has a weapon skill in all 4 of the Lv.2 renkei attributes.

All of it depends on level and party makeup.

[Thegod]

Mithrael very well stated, i agree 100%, i hate when the warrior wont switch weapons for a better SC/MB

..but i shall state again, for my mithra i just love the dmg/def that a hand axe gives me, it is a very great weapon, and i think its the reason the war's af weapon is a hand axe.

minus sturmwind, the delay on great axe makes me feel like im playing drk, and drk isnt very fun for me.

like for instance, when i was in qufim a looooooooong time ago with my rng i'd ask the warrior to use my cruel spear (yeah i loaned them a spear, IF they had capped skill that is) just so they could lower the mob's evasion so i could hit more of my shoots, warriors are very verstile and i am sooo pissed it wasnt the first job i leveled, it would have saved me alot of time.