Accuracy .... [Archive] - Final Fantasy XI :: Dreams in Vana'diel

Wings of Icarus

07-04-2004, 11:48 AM

I have 39 Accuracy ATM when not using Vassago's scythe ....

SO, anyhow, I'm at Boyahda Tree xping ... this time without a bard... I looked at my parser logs... on one battle against a darter, my accuracy was 10% ... wtf ?

I have 2X Sniper Rings
Life Belt
Assault Earring
Ryl Kgt. Mufflers
Haubergeon
& RYL Kgt neckpiece with ACC + 4

I might be leaving something out... anyhow ... if I have all this accuracy boost and I get 10 % accuracy ... WTF does that leave drks with nowhere near my acc ?

From my Logs, other Melee seem to have no real trouble hitting the mob... wtf is up here ?

I still miss like hell if I don't ABS-DEX & ABS-AGI Processionaires also ....

Help me out!

What am I doing wrong? ACC + 39 (44 with Vassago's, but I'm using GS for Light Renkai), ATT + 53 ...

Any of you had problems hitting the mobs at Boyahda Tree at lvl 66 ?

Vittra

07-04-2004, 11:56 AM

If you're fighting Darters at 66 or 67 then I think they could just be too high, if they're IT++ then your acc won't impact that greatly. Steelshells are still VT-IT at that level and you could chain them like crazy, I remember seeing 68-69 groups fighting Darters at least.

Drynavere

07-04-2004, 12:41 PM

Aye the above poster nailed the spot. No matter what level and how much accuracy you have, if you are fighting IT's with high eva/def, then your chances of hitting have just halved in the first place.

To think of it in a comparison term, take this example:

If you were shooting an arrow with a bow at a target that was 20 feet infront of you (an even match let's say), chances are your going to hit it if you have any skill at all with a bow. (This is real life, not the game).

However, if you move that target back (increasing the difficulty of the 'mob' to IT++) say another 80 feet, then your chances of hitting it are going to be horrible.

Now I was just going on an imagination run with that one, but let's face it. No matter how much accuracy you have, and how much dex you have and absorb, either way your going to have shit for accuracy in the end if your fighting something thats 10 levels higher than you.

FattMusiek

07-04-2004, 01:32 PM

Accuracy makes no real difference when the mobs are way higher than you are. I remember having about +50 accuracy and still whiffing almost every swing on ITs unless I had a BRD. Against ITs, I notice no difference between having +50 accuracy and +35 accuracy. Because of this I sold my overpriced Sniper's rings and got Ruby rings instead. Your level in relation to the monster makes the difference, not the amount of accuracy items you have. The other melee classes were probably one or two levels higher than you were. It makes all the difference.

2.0

07-04-2004, 10:18 PM

This is why I laugh when I hear people say "I have +50 accuracy and I still don't hit as often as I would like to" or what's the other dumb line? Oh yeah. "you can never have too much accuracy".

Langolier

07-05-2004, 12:01 AM

Reading all this has made me wonder... currently, I'm fighting Velociraptors in Valley of Sorrows for EXP, with +30 Accuracy without Vassago's, they con Incredibly Touph with low evasion and defense. ...I know that at some point in the future (i'm lvl 60) I'll fight Torama, I've been told many times they have nasty evasion, is +30 Accuracy enough to deal with those? I don't have much problem hitting Raptors most of the time....

FattMusiek

07-05-2004, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by Langolier
Reading all this has made me wonder... currently, I'm fighting Velociraptors in Valley of Sorrows for EXP, with +30 Accuracy without Vassago's, they con Incredibly Touph with low evasion and defense. ...I know that at some point in the future (i'm lvl 60) I'll fight Torama, I've been told many times they have nasty evasion, is +30 Accuracy enough to deal with those? I don't have much problem hitting Raptors most of the time....

Toramas have really high evasion. No matter how much accuracy you have, unless you're level 64 (the level before when the exp is dead), you won't be hitting them often by yourself. Make good friends with a BRD.

jmedno5891

07-05-2004, 06:51 AM

Hmm that's strange I'm barely lvl 62 and It feels like I hit toramas more than I use to hit raptors...maybe i'm just imagining things though :sweat:

dworkin

07-06-2004, 10:57 PM

im really frustrated with the hitting slumps. it seems like during 1 part of the fight i may hit the mob like mad, near middle notta, then when its close to the end i dont have any problems hitting the mobs again. but last night i had the worst time every in a pt. on 1 robber crab i only hit it 3 times the whole fight :( an it was a very long fight...

Legend

07-10-2004, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by Wings of Icarus
I have 39 Accuracy ATM when not using Vassago's scythe ....

SO, anyhow, I'm at Boyahda Tree xping ... this time without a bard... I looked at my parser logs... on one battle against a darter, my accuracy was 10% ... wtf ?

Parser Log whats this? Ps2 have this? The only way im able to know how much aCC I have is by adding them up my self and I know im off most/all the time.

Crowzukin

07-10-2004, 03:53 PM

I've come to think that the +5 acc from Sniper Rings and such probably don't add up to jack shit. I'm willing to bet the acc bonus from Madrigal is like at least +50 or something.

kumaeru

07-10-2004, 06:28 PM

Yes Brd songs are probably a lot higher. I heard that Fenrir's +Accuracy howl is around +20 Accuracy

l)@RK-l)EVIL

07-12-2004, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by kumaeru
Yes Brd songs are probably a lot higher. I heard that Fenrir's +Accuracy howl is around +20 Accuracy

i think brd songs and fenrir howl add something like +[? %] not 20 or 50 to accuracy
maybe its like berserk add 20~% ?

Aldo

07-12-2004, 04:16 AM

Brothershadow

07-12-2004, 10:16 AM

Hmmmm...you all are very powerful if not high level. So I know
your input on this will be valid. I hit 44 DRK last night and was
considering getting a Sniper ring (none as of yet) but have the
450k to purchase one. I also know that the Life Belt is right around the corner. What concerns me is I've heard this said once before in another thread by 2.0 above, about people aquiring way too much accuracy items that dont mean jack, and I feel she may be right. Should I get one or no?44DRK

Thanks :confused:

Macht

07-12-2004, 10:37 AM

The thing I've noticed is the more you forcus yourself on just 1 particular thing the less effective you become all around. Seems almost like this game has a counter math string in it that penalizes people who try to over specialize. It's an actual saying to though said in many different ways:

"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness, It's slow death"

"Don't put all your eggs in one basket"

etc...

Anyway on to the point almost every skill if you push it directly it does improve it as long as another condition is met, that stats associated with what you are focusing on are also given decent increases. So if you are raising Accuracy then raising DEX or AGI accordingly helps it to actually take effect.

It's almost like each skill is only showing it's max potential but your stats determine how frequently you'll hit that max potential.

Kind of funny seeing 2.0 saying "you can never have enough Accuracy" as being a dumb line did you change your tune on it now? Or just relating it to other melee's with RNG being the exception still?

Brothershadow

07-12-2004, 11:01 AM

Very nice Macht. I was actually thinking in that general direction i.e, I was going to obtain a sniper but also wear a DEX ring that would always compliment it.

2.0

07-12-2004, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Macht
Kind of funny seeing 2.0 saying "you can never have enough Accuracy" as being a dumb line did you change your tune on it now? Or just relating it to other melee's with RNG being the exception still?

I've kinda come around but I still think that RNG is better off with a ton of accuracy just not to an extreme you know what I mean?

Macht

07-12-2004, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by 2.0
I've kinda come around but I still think that RNG is better off with a ton of accuracy just not to an extreme you know what I mean? '

I can agree with that.

Langolier

07-13-2004, 03:21 AM

Even at 61 where all the Torama are IT, I havent had too much of a problem with ACC. At the very least, none of them con with "High Evasion", infact, after buying my assault earring today, one of them was IT with "Low evasion" granted, I missed the little creep 9 times in a row. I think you only need as much ACC gear as will remove the "High Evasion" con from the mobs you fight, at least in exp parties...

truong

07-15-2004, 07:59 AM

LOL I've been saying this since day one. Accuracy Bonus means jack shit. Hell, stat boosting gears in this game generally mean jack shit. It's all about your level vs the mob's level. If they're IT and high def and eva or just IT, forget about it. You can have all the best gear in the game, but you'll still perform like shit. Turn the table around. You can have the standard all DRK AF (none of that uber leet overpriced, overrated bs) and fight VT and accuracy is barely an issue.

Remember, Bard solves all problem. Shitty equipment? Bard. Fighting IT high eva and def? Bard. Slow exp gain? Bard. Too much down time? Bard. Genital herpes? Bard. Bard > FF11.

Langolier

07-17-2004, 12:59 AM

I don't know... I've fought a few IT Torama that had low evasion and defense. Having +ACC gear limits the number of mobs out there (that you'll exp off) that will have high evasion. So I say it's worth it, have +32 Accuracy has let me keep up with the rest of my static, in which the mages are 1 1/2 - 2 lvls ahead of myself and the other melee. I've partied with other drks and other melee classes my lvl who didn't have the +Acc I had an I hit more often and got tp much faster than they did most of the time. I say +Acc gear is good untl you over do it. As long as the usual mobs you exp off are not "high evasion", then you've got enough.

Xephoid

07-17-2004, 08:48 AM

stem from the fact that you are fightin IT++.

At that point, the mob is 10+ levels higher than you, and each level gives +5is evasion, you quickly see how their evasion and AGI is way over your head. :) So unless you got something like 60+ Acc, you aren't gonna hit much against IT++.

ACC helps the most against VT to VT++. Those critters are 5-8 levels over you. So they have about +25-40 EVA advantage. This is there your +ACC make you hit rather than miss.

My advice, don't fight things that are anything more than just plain IT. In fact, exp is probably better if you chain VT left and right for C5 every time with little or no down time. Try to take on Steel shell at 63-65 without a bard? You'll go into a swooshing fest a lot, but they become a piece of cake and great exp at 66-67.

Also, ABS-AGI is a nice way to boost your accuracy a little. Cast near the beginning of the fight or pull with it if you got MP.

kumaeru

07-17-2004, 09:02 AM

Exp is best done on VT and Weak IT's like xephoid said. If fighting the hard IT's that give you like 200exp non chain then you are waisting you're time. It takes too much time to kill them and chain.. you will be getting much more exp going to chain 5's on things that normally give you around 130-150exp and chain to about 180+ exp.

truong

07-18-2004, 09:27 AM

See, that's what bothers me about this game, and makes me think stat boosting gear in general is useless. What's the whole point of going out of your to get those uber leet, great stat boosting items when they aren't at all enough for you to fight IT+? I thought the game should reward you for your hardwork of getting all these items, allowing you to fight IT+, which equals to faster exp? Shouldn't the person who spent a month getting +50 ACC be able to fight IT+ chaining for 250+ exp? LET someone who has only +20 or no acc+ at all fight VTs and lower IT for 120-150 EXP chain, because that's what their stats allow them to fight effectively. Someone who has 50+ should be rewarded with the ability to fight higher tier mobs. But it's simply not the case in this game. +5 ACC or +50, it doesn't matter, either way, you're still only going to be chaining VT+ and IT at best. Anything else is unproductive. Throw away them snipers, get a bard. GGPO FFXI.

kumaeru

07-18-2004, 09:56 AM

Because the fight isnt just based on Drks accuracy....

Fights are based on what every other PT members has aswell. The reason why you do easier mobs is to chain high. Rdm + Brd PT and you really never have to stop pulling.. this is better exp then getting only say chain 3 on IT+'s even if it may be for 250exp.. It will be hitting the tank harder aswell, and draining healer's MP.

Awntawn

07-19-2004, 01:21 AM

When we say we don't need snipers, it's because we already have like +50 without them, so +8 str would be more useful in this position. Believe me, +0 acc will make you a swoosh whore even with a bard singing madrigals.

dagon2002

07-19-2004, 09:20 AM

"Reading all this has made me wonder... currently, I'm fighting Velociraptors in Valley of Sorrows for EXP, with +30 Accuracy without Vassago's, they con Incredibly Touph with low evasion and defense. ...I know that at some point in the future (i'm lvl 60) I'll fight Torama, I've been told many times they have nasty evasion, is +30 Accuracy enough to deal with those? I don't have much problem hitting Raptors most of the time...."

I xped there at lvl58 with about 40 ACC and i couldnt hit a thing, almost made me quit.

dagon2002

07-19-2004, 09:24 AM

Brothershadow

07-19-2004, 09:54 AM

LMAO! "Swoosh whore!" Well I hope to avoid that status for as long as i can. Interesting situation I ran into last night, which has prompted me to hold off on getting that Sniper Ring. Had a great team set up, with a PLD as our tank and the 2 damage dealers
were myself and another DRK/WAR of equal level. We were killing
Beetles and Spiders "shudders at their special attack" in Quicksand caves. Me and the other DRK differences were that
I was wearing 2 Deft Rings, Brigadine Armor, and a Valkyie's mask
& he was wearing 1 Sniper & 1 Deft, Royal squire body armor & a
Centurion's visor. We both casted our spells at the same time
before engaging our mobs but I was surprised to see that I always got my weapon skill off before him. I also made sure to cast when he did to make sure I wasnt hitting more than him for that reason. Although I may change my mind if I buy one of those sexy Barbarian Scythes because of it's -5 accuracy.

kumaeru

07-20-2004, 11:30 AM

2 things you should keep in mind if you see yourself as Awn's "swoosh whore".

1. You're fighting things harder than you're current lvl. @58 those raptors in valley should be fine.. Perytons on other hand still can get hard to hit at 60-61. I was fighting those raptors at 56 of course I didnt have huabergeon at the time.. but I did fine with using Eyeball soup cause I knew I was underlvled for the area.

2. You are lacking enough +accuracy.

In the end, you would still rather have accuracy than no accuracy. And at higher amounts of accuracy there seems to be diminishing returns so since many have around +45-50 accuracy without snipers etc, there is no need to still use snipers, better to use +Str Rings etc to boost up base damage.

Xephoid

07-20-2004, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by dagon2002
"Reading all this has made me wonder... currently, I'm fighting Velociraptors in Valley of Sorrows for EXP, with +30 Accuracy without Vassago's, they con Incredibly Touph with low evasion and defense. ...I know that at some point in the future (i'm lvl 60) I'll fight Torama, I've been told many times they have nasty evasion, is +30 Accuracy enough to deal with those? I don't have much problem hitting Raptors most of the time...."

I xped there at lvl58 with about 40 ACC and i couldnt hit a thing, almost made me quit. its obvious that those things where way to hard for a drk at 58? because man that hurt.

It's not just how much +acc, you have, but also your level, and skill in your weapon.

Torama, yes, they have high evasion. So high in fact, I recommned not going up against them at Lv 61-62 unless you have a BRD or SMN w/ Fenrir with you. At those levels, cockatrice in cape terrigan would be an much easier target, and might be the better exp. Toramas become much easier to hit at 63-64.

kumaeru

07-20-2004, 12:01 PM

I did Toramas at 61... wasn't too fun. For one I was pulling and they catch up to you very fast ~_~;;,

Personally I find Monastic to be better than Cockatrice although Cockatrice can take you higher. Did 61-64 in Monastic, and 64-66 in Boyahda and Terrigan (cockatrice).

dagon2002

07-21-2004, 07:36 AM

First thing my scythe and gswd is caped and no I DID NOT HAVE A BARD. I ABS-Agi and such and still there are problems. You Can't goto Valley at 56 and be productive im sorry you just cant. The taru there that said he did must be on some good stuff and heck i could use some.

With a BARD lol you can do almost anything and i wish ppl would say that they had a BARD when they did something insane like be productive at lol lvl 56 in the valley on raptors because w/o a bard they can't.

Truth is at 57-59 I was much better off in triggan and then at 59-60 my damage at Valley was on par with some rangers. I dont have Haub but i do have duel snipers/assaults since lvl55 (even though yeah i couldnt equip the assault).

p.s.

the 56 thing really bothers me lol, its one of the biggest lies ive seen on these boards. I can see it now DRKs (or other melees) going to the valley doing really bad giving there jobs bad reps and getting so upset to the point that they could quit. GOOD WORK. I.E , O.E say if u had a bard or NOT, dont come here and boast B.S claims.

Rekiem

07-21-2004, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Aldo
Madrigal is random +% ACC, however I am told the first form is much less than second, so it is not that great to stack them as opposed to stacking Minuets.

Do you have any number on how much Madrigal gives actually? I've played BRD for 75 level and I still have no idea how good madrigal is -_-;

dagon2002

07-21-2004, 12:10 PM

also just to get it clear 110% , the raptors in the Valley are lvl 66-69 (check the tour). Now u come and tell me that u didnt miss most of the time at 56 and heck even 58? dont think so.

Levels mean everything, dont care what gear or food u got doesnt mean a thing.

One more thing its not just the drk that will struggle when u do this ITS EVERY SINGLE MELEE (even the thfs).

kumaeru

07-21-2004, 08:55 PM

They are pretty easy to take down at 58-60.. I did it at 56 cause the PT was quite weird. It had a 59 Thf in it.. eventually the fights went too long so we went to pugils in cape terrigan.

And btw.. at 63-64 those raptors give bad exp; which leads PT's at that lvl to chain raptors with perytons, but you get better exp in monastic or terrigan on cockatrice. So either you're source is listing monster lvl, or you are mistakened.

Dont believe me fine, I dont care what you believe. It's what happened and i'll say it how it is. It might have a brd but I'm not sure.. happened awhile back.

Anyways it was Pld, Thf, Drk as the melees. Raminel was the Thf (when he was still playing Thf).. those on midgard will know.

As 59 its not hard to hit the raptors, many people get to 60 on those raptors. However the perytons are very hard to do at 59-60.. even at around lvl 62 it takes some effort to bring it down.

However what is annoying is that you claim i'm making it up. If you still think I'm wrong, why dont you get to lvl 66-69 and go to sorrows and hunt some raptors. I am 68 now, and those raptors are mostly all Decent Challenge.

dagon2002

07-22-2004, 09:08 AM

The issue is not so much 58-59 and i think i said i started to xp there around 58-59 even though to me 58 is one level to low. I take issue with you saying some how at 56 you where able to hit the Valley Raptors. My source is correct lol. Your just talking out your ass (like most of the ppl on these forums).

A)your trying to infalte your ego

or

B)you dont know wtf your talking about

MAke a choice.

Bottom line 56 melee CANT be productive at the valley. CASE CLOSED lol.

Thelps

07-22-2004, 06:25 PM

I unequipped my snipers while fighting Anticans in Quicksands at lvl 49. I honestly noticed no difference in my hit rate whatsoever. It disturbed me greatly but I've decided to keep the rings in the hope their effect when added with my other +acc equipment (just got my Haubergeon yesterday, now to hit 59!) will be at least somewhat noticeable. I too, however, am disgusted with my hit rate against IT+ mobs, simply because if there's a MNK, DRG or even SAM in the party, they'll regularly outhit me. I'm becoming convinced Scythes have some kind of hidden -acc trait or something...

kumaeru

07-22-2004, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by dagon2002
The issue is not so much 58-59 and i think i said i started to xp there around 58-59 even though to me 58 is one level to low. I take issue with you saying some how at 56 you where able to hit the Valley Raptors. My source is correct lol. Your just talking out your ass (like most of the ppl on these forums).

A)your trying to infalte your ego

or

B)you dont know wtf your talking about

MAke a choice.

Bottom line 56 melee CANT be productive at the valley. CASE CLOSED lol.

Did I once say that it was productive? There is a difference between flaming out of ignorance and flaming out of stupidity. Apparently it has shown with the many other trolls on these boards already. I was there at 56 due to an imbalance in the PT.

Which ever you see me as being A or B.. thats up to you. There really is no use arguing with a person who believes that his opinion is the best and that others falsify information.

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