When to switch to +VIT rings?

[LawDawg]

At what level should I be switching to +3VIT rings instead of using phalanx? i dont really like phalanx, and i much rather have +6 VIT than +20 defense.

Thanks.

[neelon]

What is your experience between the 2 so far?

I just bought a set of Phalanx rings to experiment. I have 2 +2VIT rings (the +3 ones are never available whenever i scrounge up the cash), so I just have to find out which one is better for me in general.

[LawDawg]

Hmm... well I noticed a big difference after getting my gluttony sword (+7 VIT and only for 80k =P ) of about 10-15 less damage per hit against Teriggan crabs and pugils. The reason I say I rather have +6 vit than 20 def is that whenever I pull out defender or sentinal, I hardly notice any difference whatsoever. I think that I will probably keep the phalanx until level 60 or so, and then switch to +3 VIT.

[Biterman]

I tried Phalax at 50 and after a few fights I went back to my Verve rings(+3 vit). At 54 I will switch to Chryso. Not sure if it matters that much, but I also eat Steamed crab.

Just remember I am a taru pld. So maybe phalax is more useful to other races or against certain monster specials.

[Kurai-Tenshii]

Even if you find def better, and for some reason I like def more even though I know it does less, the main differences between races is vit, hp, and mp. Almost all of your def comes from armor (and a small portion from the 1 for every 2 vit you have). So really the defense between all races is standard. It's better just to work off of your weaknesses than worry about extra def from phalanx, vit bonuses look better =)

[Murasame]

Defense works on a curve, when your defense becomes greater than your enemies attack, increasing it further (like using your def+ rings) will no longer decrease the damage you take.
If you're noticing that you're not reducing the damage you take by using Defender and Sentinel, then according to what I have read, its time to switch to Vit+ rings.

[Arximiro]

How in the Damn hell did you get a gluttony sword for 80k!!!! ITs up to freaking 500k on my server and Ill never get one at this rate. Ill never make 500k in a million years of Delkfutt farming.

"In reply to the question" I used Phalnx rings to 56, then Decided i wanted more VIT So i got berry rings. Warriors belt +1 and medevil collar. so thats Vit +11 You dont really notice a huge change but im sure its there in some form.

[Pandar]

gluttony sword is owned by earth staff so get that
about 300-350k

[LawDawg]

Originally posted by Pandar
gluttony sword is owned by earth staff so get that
about 300-350k

yes, i was thinking about this, but is using an earth staff in an XP party a good idea? Seems like the lack of damage would be bad for hate control....

[Biterman]

And you loose the shield.

Dunno about the damage difference though, since being a taru pld I do uber poor damage and can tell my 'damage' does near jack for gaining aggro at lvl 50.

[Arximiro]

earth staff lol , you couldnt pay me to use a staff on my PLD, I Have some Dignity. I only shed blood for my blade.

[xcalibur2k]

Earth staff has a longer delay and lower damage. When it comes to xp mobs, the -20% damage reduction isn't really that much since on average the mob only does 2-digit damage on you.

Compare that to a sword and shield where you will do more damage, swing more times per battle, and occasionally block an attack with your shield, I think the sword and shield combo is much easier to hold hate with.

Earth staff is probably more useful in boss or HNM battles where a lot of physical damage is taken per hit. Plus usually the battle are assisted by THFs for hate control.

[Pandar]

sure you lose a shield but shield blocking randomly isnt very reliable, while the dmg reduction is constant which is very reliable and saves alot of mp, some might think that the dmg will suck, but paladins aren't dmg dealers they're weak but aggro machines

[Jaxon]

Right, but less weapon delay means more hate output every hit you land with. Now with my Espadon+1 I gain tp faster per swing and put more aggro each hit much better than gluttony since glut has 295 delay.

[Kagetsu]

Originally posted by Jaxon
Right, but less weapon delay means more hate output every hit you land with. Now with my Espadon+1 I gain tp faster per swing and put more aggro each hit much better than gluttony since glut has 295 delay.

Yea but there is a 5 Vit difference between both swords. I know attacking gives some aggro but I dont think the 40-50 delay between both weapons will make all that much difference, and with Gluttony you get 7 TP per swing.

[Arximiro]

A plds damage dont suck. Where do ppl get this from. If you have a good PT u dont even need defender. therefore you hit for 30 or so on average. Its also very easy to ws for over 200. Also the dmg helps with hate. Saving up a Spirits Sithin for 3 battles and using it to get that 4th chain or 5th by hitting for over 500 is surely worth it. And after 60 Plds can be in most SC's Because Vorpal Blade owns. Staff is just good for tanking HNM's thats just about it.

[Biterman]

Originally posted by Arximiro
A plds damage dont suck. Where do ppl get this from. If you have a good PT u dont even need defender. therefore you hit for 30 or so on average.
I umm...hit for 10-17. :biggrin:
I mean, this when everyone and their little sister is hitting for 100+. A galka PLD on my LS once said he sometimes hit for a flurry of big fat zeros, but he likes to use Defender.

BTW, been a while since I seen you around man. I am still lvl 50 and you 59.. ; ;
I stop to farm about 1 million, help ppl on my LS with quests/RSE/et al and lvl some crafts and everyone uber surpasses me.:sweat:

[Arximiro]

If you have a good pt you dont need defender, I dont get hurt enuff the without it cuz the whm in our sp keeps me too healed. i usually atk for 35-40 without defender. I jus got vorpal blade which is awesome. Ive atked for 750 with it. Its awesome cu the crit rate varies so greatly. the first time i used it on an IT crab we were fighting with 127 tp or something like that. for 345 which is good for a pld IMO. Also if u flash then zerk u can get good ws dmg then cancel zerk b4 the flash is gone. After i get gluttony hopefully my dmg will be more.

[Jaxon]

I'm a elv paladin my accurancy blows, to me every hit I land with is vital in order to generate some hate and keep up with renkei if need it in a party who wants to make darkenss skillchain with me. Dont get me wrong, I like gluttony for a while now and plan on using it with my pld/nin soon as my pld hits 75. Yes, I do notice I can join renkei a lot faster with espadon+1, yes 40-50 delay difference dont mean that much to some, but I'm a picky thats just me anyways. :biggrin:

[evilution]

FYI.. after countless level's of PT's with paladins parsing the damage logs..

PLD do on average...

200-400 damage a fight (parsing from 68-74) on rare occasion a 500 or 600, but usually around 300.

[foobar]

Vorpal Blade sucks against exp mobs. You hit for less than 10 more often than you'd think on mobs that don't even have a defense buff. Its all about the renkei. :)

[Arximiro]

VB seems to have different rate of Crit dmg, we were fighting crabs and pugils in terrigan and I had defender on since it was a pugil and used VB in the renkei for 356, Over half the time my VB outdmged the drks VS Ive only seen it under a 100 a few times.

[kedo1]

Wow, I don't know what kind of equipment u have, but Vorpal doesn't give me that much dmg to a IT mob.

100-200 top. Also, it all depends on if all hits connect. @ lvl 67-69, if I don't participate in Renkei, I would choose to use Sprit within. While keeping defender up and running, I can still deal 150+dmg per 100%TP.

I use to go without defender when I exp, but lately I found out that defender helps a lot for down time. Less dmg taken, less ur mages have u heal u. Even with bard + rdm, its always a good idea to keep up ur defense. Especially if u want good exp, than u would fight IT mobs with high defense+high evasion. Chain 4-5 will give u 230-280exp.