Gold Smithing 101?

[FFXITsukasa]

I know it seems stupid that I am both a low level character and Gold Smith but I think we need a topic on Gold Smithing and hopefully my small contributions and work-in-progress guide will draw other experienced Gold Smiths to my aid.

Level 0-2
Stone Arrowheads
-2 Flint Stones
-1 Wind Crystal
-- OR--
Copper Ingot
-4 Copper Ore
-1 Fire Crystal

You can also put those Copper Ingots to work making Rings and Hairpins. Arrowheads, just sell at AH San d'Oria AH on Bahamut they sell for 200 a stack. Now I used Rings and Hairpins when leveling to level 2 but I failed every once in a while so I suggest sticking with that.

Level 2-4
Copper Ring
-1 Fire Crystal
-2 Copper Ingots
--OR--
Copper Hairpin
-1 Wind Crystal
-1 Copper Ingot

Thats about all the further I am at the moment. I would really like to get a Gold Smith guide going here so if a Journeymen or someone of high rank could help make this possible. If not I will continue this work-in-progress as I myself grow in skill. Thank you all very much.

[xShagratx]

Level 7-9
Brass Ignots= Zinc Ore+(3x) Copper Ore+Fire Crystal
Level 9-11
Brass Sheets= Brass Ignot+Fire Crystal
Level 11-13
Brass Scales= Brass Sheet+Wind Crystal

OR

Level 11-16
Brass Flowerpots= (3x)Brass Sheet+Fire Crystal

Level 16-20
Silver Ignots= (4x) Silver Ore+Fire Crystal

Anyone else have anything to contribute?

These are the best things I know of, correct me if im wrong. I plan on trying some stuff out later. If it works out i'll post. If not i'll beg for help =)

[Gen]

You could also use 4 silver beastcoins in place of silver ore for the silver ingots..they seem to cost a hair more but stack.

[Matkun]

Beastcoins are also 2 skill levels lower then the equivalent ore, so they are more likely to suceed.

Ie: Silver ingots made with 4x silver beastcoin caps at 18, silver ingots made with 4x silver ore caps at 20. And using Silver nugget recipe it caps at 22.

[xShagratx]

no one else has anything to contribute?

[Gen]

wind + colored stone = various gems they are a bit above the silver recipe i think .. also when you hit about 20 i THINK you can make silver rings and other rings with the silver rings and colored gems

[Dragonhope]

This is the skill path I plan to take to 60.

Goldsmithing 1-3:
Copper Ingot - 4 Copper Ore + Fire Crystal

Easy to do and very cheap.

Goldsmithing 3-9:
Brass Ingots - 3 Copper Ore + 1 Zinc Ore + 1 Fire Crystal

Relatively cheap and I can sell a couple stacks if I really need money.

Goldsmithing 9-11:
Brass Sheets - Brass Ingot + Fire Crystal

Same as Ingots, but I plan to save as much of these as I can.

Goldsmithing 11-14:
Brass Flowerpot - 3 Brass Sheets + Fire Crystal

I sold some of these and the rest I sent to mules to do some gardening on the side with them.

Cheaper Skillpath 11-14:
Brass Hairpins - Brass Ingot + Wind Crystal

Goldsmithing 14-18:
Silver Ingots - 4 Silver Beastcoins + Fire Crystal

I plan to steal them so this'll be slow. But they're not that expensive.

Goldsmithing 18-20:
Various Jewels - Colored rock + Wind Crystal

I'll be using these soon anyway so I figured I might as well skill on them. I plan to use the cheaper rocks or mine my own.

Goldsmithing 20-22:
Silver Earrings - 2 Silver Ingots + Wind Crystal

Will be using these as well ^^

Alternate skillpath 20-24:
Brass Hammer: Bronze Hammer + Brass Ingot + Fire Crystal

Goldsmithing 22-25:
Jeweled Earrings: Silver Earring + Jewel of choice + Earth Crystal

I'll be selling these to the NPC or on the AH/Bazaar. Preferably the latter if I can.

Goldsmithing 25-27:
Silver Hairpins: Silver Ingot + Wind Crystal

Fastest method. I'll probably put some on the AH and sell the rest to the NPC to prevent a flood of it's market.

Goldsmithing 27-31:
Silver Rings: 2 Silver Ingots + Fire Crystal

I'll use these to further gain skills.

Goldsmithing 31-35:
Jeweled Rings: Silver Ring + Jewel of choice + Earth Crystal

Goldsmithing 35-38:
Mythril Ingots: 4 Mythril Beastcoins + Fire Crystal

I plan to steal these as well but you can buy it for faster results. I'll be saving them if I can help it.

Goldsmithing 38-42:
Mythril Earrings: 2 Mythril Ingots + Wind Crystal

I'll be selling these on the AH/Bazaar but most likely to NPCs. The HQ jewels are too pricy and is just not worth making on my own just for skill-gains.

Goldsmithing 42-47:
Mythril Ring: 2 Mythril Ingots + Fire Crystal

Now you know why I wanted to save all those Mythril Ingots I made. I'll probably sell these to the NPC too.

Goldsmithing 47-52:
Mythril Degans: 2 Mythril Ingots + 1 Iron Ingot + Fire Crystal

Needs around level 20-30 smithing support but this is cheaper then throwing my money on Gold Ingots. But if I steal enough Gold Beastcoins, i'll probably turn those into Ingots till skill level 51.

Goldsmithing 52-53:
Gold Ingots: 4 Gold Ore + Fire Crystal

It's only for one skill level so I shouldn't lose too much.

Goldsmithing 53-58:
Spark Rapier: Mythril Ingot + Rapier + Earth Crystal

I'll sell all these to the NPC if they don't sell well on the AH. But I know i'll sell more then half to the NPC for sure so I don't flood the market.

Goldsmithing 58-60:
Mythril Cuisses: 2 Mythril Sheet + Ram Leather + Fire Crystal

I think this is cheaper then working with Gold Ingots. Of course, i'll use the Gold Ingots I have to make some Gold Rings to sell off. This can actually take you to skill 62 but since this isn't my main craft, i'm stopping at 60.


But before all this...i'm going to try to save up around a million gil. Hopefully I can power synth my way through half of the recipes to make up for the Beastcoins I go out to steal.

[FFXITsukasa]

Impressive. I just got back to mining I will have to follow that guild through. Thanks.

[PedaTeda]

WoW hope ill def. be writing this down! and im lvl 5 goldsmithing now and im makeing brassingots already... only on Iceday though so im getting almost no fails

Also how much does fire crystals go for<in stacks> on ur server......2.3k on Gilgamesh

Lol ALSO <last one> u can make money easy from selling stacks of Silver Ingots for 25k at AH in Gilgamesh so u can make most money from that.....also copper ingots go for 3.5k a stack in AH

[PedaTeda]

WoW hope ill def. be writing this down! and im lvl 5 goldsmithing now and im makeing brassingots already... only on Iceday though so im getting almost no fails

[Legend]

I did my first silver ignot at lvl 10, granted my next 2 tries I failed and didn't want to lose any more Gil. Found it alot better and easier to start making those at lvl 13 all the way till 20, unless you use the silver nugget recipe, till 22.

Maybe a slighty cheaper alternative for lvl's 20-23(24?) is bronze hammer and brass ignots + fire crystal which makes brass hammer. Dont get the hammer for 800+ from the AH(unless you have too) go to the shop in Bastok and get it for 357(maybe less for you, for you may have more fame im from Sand)

And that whole load of brass hammer which you may try to give away desythesis it, and get your brass ignot back and start over heh.......but more then likely you will get more bronze ignot then brass.

[Insanity]

A slightly cheaper way to up your goldsmithing between 11-15, instead of making brass flowerpots with 3 brass sheets, make brass hairpings with 1 brass ingot. It's a bit more cost efficient. Also when you're done, and you're starting to work on silver, you can just De-synth the brass hairpins if they dont AH/bazar well to get the brass ingot back for the Brass hammer recipe.

-InSaNiTy

[Dragonhope]

Hmm...that's a good point. I'll edit my path and try the ways suggested. I'll leave the original path as well for those who would rather do that.

I'm already skill level 17 so i'm going to finish up with making Silver Ingots and go from there and see how it turns out with the alternate suggestions you guys have made.

[Insanity]

I had a free moment at work, so i thought I might share the paths i took to lvl my goldsmithing skills. Currently i'm lvl 18 in goldsmithing and have yet to take a net loss in gill, with minimal failures. Personally I try not to spend huge ammounts in it and so far i'm doing ok. Hopefully it'll help some of you that are thinking about goldsmithing but are affraid it'll but a huge dent in your wallet. It may not be the absolute fastest, but it certainly is Cost effective.
To start, I began stock pileing fire crystals like there's no tomorrow, being that I started in Bastok, alot of juicy targets were, Vultures, Goblins, and some worms for the flint and ores that they drop.


Tips:
#1, never buy from ah, for copper, (or at least on the fairy server) as copper ore is like 50+ gill each??
#2 When the guilds are closed/sold out, take your lvl 1 job, and go hunting outside, hit up all the worms, vultures, and goblins for the crystals / ores that you need, until you can setup shop in the guild.
#3 dont forget that if you're in bastok, there's 2 guilds that sell copper, so check both black and gold smithing guilds. ALSO for those that are rank 5+ the vendor by the airship, sells copper ore for approx 10 gill 24/7
#4 if you feel like traveling and dont need the advanced synthisis, there's always alternate guilds in mhura
#5 Get advanced synth support As necessary.

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lvl 0-1
Stone ArrowHeads
2x Flint + wind crystals
loss here, but since i didnt buy the flint, so it wasent that bad
should be able to get away witha bout 1 or 2 stacks of flint stones.

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lvl 1-4
Copper Ingots ~ (approx 180 gill including crystal tops)
4 copper ore + Fire crystal
sold on fairy for approx 300 Each or 3k+ per stack.


Once you've reached lvl 4, it pretty much tops out there, so sell off your copper ingots for a ncie profit. personally I made about 10-20k from this step, after i realized that i couldnt skill up on copper anymore.

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lvl 4-9
Brass Ingots ~ cost (including crystal, approx 460 gill tops)
3 copper ore + zinc ore + Fire crystal

good money maker here, as zinc runs about 300 gill each, and brass ingots sell for about 600 each or 6k+ per stack.
you might want to keep a stack or two to skill up on, or just make some/buy from guild when the time comes, as comming up is the one of the first gill sinks i had...

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lvl 9-10
Brass sheets ~ Cost (including crystal, approx 560 gill tops)
brass ingot + fire crystal

It's only for about a stack or so, so bear with it and Save those sheets! cause you'll need them for.....

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lvl 10-11
Brass Scales
Brass sheet + Wind crystal

I hope you remembered to kill that occasional bee or bat while farming up fire crystals and copper/zinc ores. When you're done with the scales, *try* to sell them in ah, (the dont sell that well, i cant remember how much i sold it for) or you can just sell it back to the guild.

lvl 11-15
Brass Hairpins ~ Cost (variable between 400-550 gill or so)
Brass Ingot + Wind Crystal

It's not a bad time to make brass hairpins now that the PS2 version out, all the new blm/whms out there will probably want a better hairpin at lvl 10. Sales on this are variable, some times they're up to 1k, some weeks, it's as low as 400 gill. If you happen to have other mules in other cities, spread it around, as not to flood your local AH. Another option if you feel like saving them, is you can de-synth it back to brass for future use.

lvl 15-20
Silver Ingots ~ Cost (variable, depending where you get silver)
4 silver ore + Fire crystal

This is an excelent money maker especially in bastok, because of the silver ingot quest in the bastok markets, each silver ingot stays at a steady 2k gill, with a stack at 24k. On fairy server, usually the guild will silver for sale at 315 gill at lowest, try not to spend too much on silver, cause with all the miners around, you can usually buy it for 300 a pop, or even ah for 300 a pop. Alternatively if you happen to be a thief, you can steal some silver beast coins and start working on ingots at lvl 14, but I wouldnt go out of your way for them if it's too much trouble.


And there you have it, that's where i'm at currently. Slow, Steady, and most importaintly, not a drain ono your wallet. ^^;; I was looking around, and I think i'm gonna try using the recipe for Sabaki rig to lvl from lvls 20-22, as there's a chance for Rogue rig as well if you're lucky. I'll try to update with my results and such when they become avail! Good luck to all the newbie goldsmithers!

*****Sticky the thread!*****

[PedaTeda]

lol i noticed on thing constantly......lmao u have gill at least 6 times instead of gil

but all in all great!

'yea here on gilgamesh the stacks of silver ingots is about 25-27k so yea...cha ching......... ANOTHER THING IS ......U CAN JUST MINE MOST UR ORE... and if u get to many tin ore.... synth them for a lil smithing skills

may GS skills is 5 right now and im not leaving bastokian area til i have 80k.....or mainly til i can sell mad silver ingots

[Insanity]

only reason i didnt mention mining for ore, is because the goldsmithing lvls between 1-20, the price per pickaxe ratio isnt all that good, why spend (at lowest) 180 gil on a pickaxe that most likely will break when copper ore can be bought for 10 gill? Even if you're mining for silver and what not, it's a bit more rare, and most of the time, (from personal experiece) you get mostly Iron, evne with the right mining gear. While that may be good for you smithing skills, Sadly there's not much it can do for goldsmithing, although they bazar quite well.

[raexn]

I'm working on this skill, and its a bit more time consuming thank cooking was, but its more fun with the way the synthing works.

I made copper hairpins, and desynthed them with lightning crystals back and forth and got to lvl 5 this way. I think with a total of 5 copper ingots and a couple stacks of wind crystals and lightning which you can just get from elems if you have atleast a lvl30ish character.

Also, mining in Zerhun mines (if i spelled that correctly) with the copper output compared to the iron output, I'll simply bazaar the iron and make back atleast 15-20k which more than pays for my pickaxes and simply synth any of the copper/zinc/tin that i come across in the mining process to keep my inventory space open.

[Kastel]

Hi, just leveled this skill last weekend 0-50. Cost nearly a million gil, but the main trick to level fast and high is to synth, desynth, repeat until you have nothing.For example, make silver ingots and save the stacks until you cant skill up anymore, then start aing silver hairpins, then lightning + hairpin will sometimes give you back silver ingots. Keep in mind that desynth has high failure rate but better HQ rate.You will lose a lot of desynth, but with the silver ingots you get back you can synth hairpin again for more skill up. You can also skill up on desynth, but they aren't as common. Also what helps with this is the moghancement for desynth, I just took all furniture down and put that ancient blood in my room.

[Talyen42]

Kastel, after spending nearly a million gil - how long will it take for you to get that all back, using goldsmithing? :sweat:

[Kastel]

A very long time... I HQ one skill 20 synth and 1 HQ +2 VIT ring out of like 5 tries on both. Need very high skill in order to make nice money in goldsmithing. I leveled mainly to synth gold ingots on the side whenever I accumulate some beastcoins, and to desynth gold orcmask. If I want money though, will need to go beyond this ^^

[Talyen42]

If you HQ a +2 VIT ring, how much profit is that?

Say you made 10 rings, and sold them all, how much profit would that net you? (including any possible failures)

[Kastel]

um.. i think the ring not HQ is like 2000 and cost at least 4000 to make, the HQ was 20K, so say i could HQ even half of 10, that would be 100K easily made from about 20-25K of work.

Much like most crafts, money is in the HQ...

[Talyen42]

hmm, so you lose money on making non-HQ rings? ; ;

[PedaTeda]

Yea on some things u loss money...including the Jeweled Rings ( i.e. Sardonyx Ring +1 str)

Well if u get ur skills up in i think ummmmmm woodworking or something like that......u can make pickaxes and hatchets and stuff

[Insanity]

Goldsmither's Update #1

Havent been crafting realy in depth, or really going at it too much, but i finally managed to hit lvl 19. Still working with silver, as there's a lack of silver supply in AH/Bazars/ and the guild is sorta expensive. I did try experimenting with sabaki rig however, but got many failures, probalby due to my lack of cloth crafting skill. There wasent a good supply of it in bastok at the the time either, so each spool was 500 gill each. >_< After much deliberation and thought, i think I'll just save the ingots, and skip straight to silver Hairpins afterwards. perhaps, they'll sell for a decent price in AH/bazar, or maybe i'll just save them for desynthing at lvl 27 goldsmithing or so. More updates to come later!

-Insanity

[Petrifyus]

What is a Sabaki Rig? :sweat:

[Icemage]

What is a Sabaki Rig?

Its a fishing lure. Unique in that it is the only way to catch multiple fish on the same attempt, it's useful for levelling fishing at the early levels, and for a handful of higher level fish up to level 49 Fishing.


Icemage

[PedaTeda]

Price ranges <on gilgamesh> between 2-4k a rig.......there is also a Rouge Rig...... i am yet to find out with it does.....probably 5 fish at once ........


A great combo for Fishing is Glass Fiber Fishing Rod & Sabaki rig......to pole nvr break on small fish or Rusty Subligars u can start this combo at lvl 0 in fishing and still makegood money



i got 3 stacks of Quus and 2 stacks of Bastore Sardine both go for 800 a stack

800 x 5 = 3k and i got my rig for 2k so im already making profit ^^:thumbsup:

[Erasmus]

Rogue rig is similar to sabiki rig, however it can catch ANYTHING. It used to be great for items before 50 skill, but with the rustyed item vendor nerf, its useless before 50. After 50 it can catch any fish anywhere with the exception of maybe the legendary fish.

[PedaTeda]

what is the "ledendary" fish <not a big fisher>

[Rablek]

Wow.. that's odd, this changed from a goldsmithing to fishing conversation... Anyways i think this should be stickied. The Beggining info is useful!

[PedaTeda]

it hasnt become a fish topic.... just because someone mentioned fish.....think before u type plz

[Deodorant]

Got goldsmithing from 0-27 last weekend, and lost about 150k in the process. Now I'm at a 'crossroads' of sorts; past 27 I can't seem to find any synths that aren't a huge loss.

Hiraishin would take me to 31, but it's about 7.5k in materials to make a stack of it that sells for 3k, so a 1.5k loss per synth (assuming no fails). Not too bad I suppose, estimate 80-90k to get to 31.

+1 Stat rings cap at 35, but materials to make one is about 5-7k depending on stone, and the non-HQ selling price varies from 1-1.5k, so this is at least 4k loss per synth, or an expected 50-70k gil per level increase.

I suppose Mythril Ingots from Beastcoins would be OK to make at lvl 31 (skillcap 38), as long as I don't fail too much I can break even or even turn a slight profit by reselling the ingots.

Any observations/ideas, especially past 38? Also, I noticed that gold orcmask + lightning is a desynth; is the success rate for that similar to all other desynths (that is, total and utter crap)?

[Disturbed]

i've been doing mythril ingots since 30 when they offered the recipe, seemed to fail more at 31, so i just do on light/full/new moon periods, @33 atm

not a fan of making a loss so my guilding is going up very slowly, i steal coins myself or buy for 1k tops at AH/bazaar

[Nassa]

Got goldsmithing from 0-27 last weekend, and lost about 150k in the process. Now I'm at a 'crossroads' of sorts; past 27 I can't seem to find any synths that aren't a huge loss.

LOL, welcome to Goldsmithing. Answer is no, there aren't any synths that aren't losses at that level range. The issue is which synth will lose you less money.

Any observations/ideas, especially past 38? Also, I noticed that gold orcmask + lightning is a desynth; is the success rate for that similar to all other desynths (that is, total and utter crap)?

You don't get good skill-ups from de-synths, although it does happen. Masks are exe and can therefore be farmed yourself, not bought from AH.

I'll stick with the earring/ring/ingot formula.

Nassa

[Kastel]

Im at skill 51 now and when farming Orcmasks i save a bunch up then go to bastok, yes you will fail like normal desynth, and possibly lose them (>_< 26K down the drain, DAMN IT!)

Last time i had 15 and desynthed 12 with support.

Also since you're thf, you can just grab a friend and kill yags in Oz, and steal at the same time. Might save you a little money. I on the other hand went like 0-48 in a weekend. I just synth, desynth, rinse, repeat until I had nothing... but i think I already made all the money back :)

[Nassa]

Last time i had 15 and desynthed 12 with support.

Do you remember what day/moon cycle you desynth'd on and which Mog enhancement you had? I once had successful desynth 10 times in a row with masks but has not been able to reproduce those results. Currently, at GS of 58, my success rate is anywhere from 50% to 66%. There must be a trick to this is some people are desynth'ing 12/15 while the rest of us are only getting 50% of the time.

Please share ^^

Nassa

[Kastel]

Mogenhancement: Desynthesis! I took everything out of my room and just have an ancient blood painting up. Also I did my desynths on Iceday. I heard that the day before the day that is your crystal, you get a bonus. iceday comes before lightningsday

[orts]

guess i'll help a lil >.>

currently lvl80+ gs on ragnarok

here's a list of the promotion tests:

8 - copper hairpin
18 - brass hairpin
28 - silver hairpin
38 - chain gorget
48 - mithril ring (after this rank, sunglasses open up for guild points)
58 - mithril gorget
68 - mithril breast (after this rank, apron opens up for guild points)
78 - torque
88 - jeweled collar (after this rank, furniture opens up for guild points)

dragonhope posted a pretty good ~lvl60 guide. i'll post some altenatives.

18~22 - silver pierce -> it's up to you if you wanna save these to make the lvl14 earrings but i'd just break em (desynth with thunder crys).

22~27 - silver hairpin -> advanced support from 22-24. make and break.

27~31 - silver rings -> save or break them

~35 - +1 stat rings -> if you don't have any saved up, buy the silver rings from lower jeuno jewelry store (or AH i guess if they sell it less) in the shop it's 1250 for silver rings and earring and 4500 for mithril earrings. gems for +1 stat rings are like 1850 kinda pricy so check AH for those gems (usually way cheaper) up to you if you wanna wait and sell these in AH or try your luck and desynth them. NQ/HQ1 is the gem, HQ2 is 1xsilver ingot, and HQ3 is 2xsilver ingot when desynthing. (*note that these npc prices are with crappy jeuno fame)

35~38 - mithril ingots using coins

38~40 - mithril ingots using ores

40~44 - mithril earrings -> rings (for this stage try to just use what you have leftover. earrings are good until 42 and rings are good until 47. it's kinda tedious to mine ore/farm for coins but if you wanna do that too it's fine. it also takes quite some time to sell all those rings through AH unless you got a mule to help you out (and you should be desynthing the earrings unless for some reason they sell more than 8k in your AH) you wanna get to about 44 or so then...)

40~44 - spark lance -> buy the lances when you can if they're in AH. the recipe for lance is 2xsteel ingot 2xash lumber (kinda pricey) but it might sell for less in AH

42~45 - black earring -> if these earrings sell good in your AH then this might be a good alternative to making mithril rings. when you run out of your own earrings remember that the shop in low jeuno sells them. as for the pearl needed, you can get it from desynthing a gigas necklace if you're bonesmith is skilled up or you can get them from sahagins in sea grotto. pearls usually run for 2k on lagnarok.

44~48 - silver bangle. you can get all 3 ingots back if you hit an HQ

48~51 - gold ingots using coins -> grow them or steal them

51~53 - gold ingots using ores -> mine them or buy them (or grow them?)

this is a good time to stop and smell the roses. you can now farm orc masks and desynth them into gold ingots. i never did find the best moon phase for this recipe (my best is 4 in a row on ice day). if you're really patient, you'll save each and every ingot you desynth and use them later. you'll need them from lvl70 on because there's no way to lvl without using gold. you might also wanna think about getting some furniture up in your mog if you haven't done so already. i'd suggest having thunder for 1~48 and fire and earth (maybe wind too) for 48+ (switch furnitures around for your needs).

53~59 - gold rings/hydro claw -> it's up to you which route to take just be sure from 53-56 you do them with advanced support. note that gold rings are good until lvl60

from here on out it's big money so be prepared. skilling up will start to slow down. start paying attention to what days and moon phases give you the most skill.

59~64 - platinum ingots -> using coins are good until 61, ores until 63, nuggets+ore until 64. of course no one should do the ores unless you got oodles of ores laying around. coins are probably scarce so i'd suggest growing your own nuggets and buying an ore here and there or start hitting up pal mines (maybe grow your own ores too if you know the recipe). save these ingots or sell em per your personal needs but you might be using them soon.

and i'm gonna stop there. hope this post was useful <.< if you got any questions (for those on lagnarok) send me a /t

*edit added in some alternatives for 40~45 range

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by orts
[B]guess i'll help a lil >.>

currently lvl80+ gs on ragnarok

here's a list of the promotion tests:

8 - copper hairpin
18 - brass hairpin
28 - silver hairpin
38 - chain gorget
48 - mithril ring

600k enough to get lv 48 GS? or i need more gil?
i will think about +48 later gold ignots cost alot :sweat:

[Disturbed]

what mobs has platinum beast coin? the gods orcs/yags/etc? >_>

[orts]

evil - prices will vary server to server but i think it's safe to say 600k is enough for 1~48 if you're careful and patient. if you're going for sunglasses you'll need more gils for the guild points^^;

disturbed - ya, also their place holders (kings i guess you would call them, yagudo avatar/orc warlord/diamond quad). thf or sub thf can steal them too

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by orts
evil - prices will vary server to server but i think it's safe to say 600k is enough for 1~48 if you're careful and patient. if you're going for sunglasses you'll need more gils for the guild points^^;



:handsdown
thank you very much ^^
another 200k is ok with me but i hope 600k will be enough
and ya im goin for sunglasses :sweat: my main guild is smithing but there is no sunglasses :p
thanks again orts your info realy help me :thumbsup:

[Deodorant]

Decided to dump a little more gil into GS and ... I noticed that at lvl 30, skill ups decreased noticeably. Did 24 synths and only went up 0.6 (so ... 30.6 now), is this normal for all crafts, or was I just perhaps synthing at a bad time?

Also, which day/moon phase is best for skillup (assuming I don't care about success/fail rates)?

[Tripmastermonky]

Not sure if this is extremely helpful, but I'd just like to toss out this idea to see how it sounds to people. I've been working on GS for about 3-4 weeks now, and I'm at 36.(something). I've been farming the mythril beastcoins and will probably continue to do that till I reach the cap of 38 or so. Right now I have 4 stacks of ingots and I plan to use them to get to 43 or so making mythril chains. Looking at the AH, a full stack of chains doesn't sell very often (only 3 sales ever), but it does sell for a good 100k, and individual chains sell fairly quickly. So I'm guessing that this could be because no one accumulates a full stack of chains very often. Anyways, this could end up being pretty profitable because the only cost was on crystals since the materials were farmed. After that it's silver bangles until 48 -_-;;.

[Legend]

Originally posted by orts

i'd suggest having thunder for 1~48 and fire and earth (maybe wind too) for 48+ (switch furnitures around for your needs).



So far I been using alot of Fire and some Wind crystals, why use Thunder Furniture. Unless your meaning strictly for the desyth, then I understand. I have a book holder.

[Disturbed]

weeee thx orts~^^

[orts]

legend - yes mainly for desynth.

[Deodorant]

Currently GS 44 ... prices do vary from server to server, but on Ragnarok I can tell you that 600k will only get you 1-48 if you go the minimal losses route (i.e., sell everything, no desynthing, etc). Synth-desynth levels you up quicker, but your wallet also takes a much harder hit.

Anyway ... progress halted due to lack of funds :sweat: ... maybe I should've chosen another craft haha

[FFXITsukasa]

Wow I havent checked back in forever. My thread seems to have bloomed. Its really useful to me now. I have been following the guides created here and I hope we can get this Stickied and finally get a sticky for every craft. Thank you all for your contributions.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

if i use mithral rings/ear... i will lose 1 mithral ingot every synth thats 6k lose every synth :sweat:

silver bangle sounds good thats from 44-48 so what to synth from 40-44
mithral sheet sounds good also but its from 40-41 only :biggrin:

hmmm all what i need is to know what to synth from 41-44 is rings-ear the only way?

[Deodorant]

41-44 I did those earrings. Mythril Earring is 4.something k from shop, pearl/black pearl etc is 2-3k, so about 7k per synth. Black earring sells for 3.5-4k on Ragnarok, so you can either cut losses (and lvl slow), or desynth/resynth til everything's gone (higher loss, but lvl faster).

[Trevario]

I have a current skill of 11.2 in GS, how far would 600k take me into it?

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by Trevario
I have a current skill of 11.2 in GS, how far would 600k take me into it?

from 0 to 42 i lost 800k in ragnarok server :biggrin:
i still have like 40 silver harpian in mog house + 20 mithral ear :sweat:

so i think 600k will get you from 1 to 40 only :)

[Trevario]

Ah I see.

[UnnamedGalka]

The other day I finished raising a little over 2 million gil...I finally have just enough for the Wind Torque I've always dreamed about owning.

Though, as great as the Wind Torque is purported to be, I still don't want to blow everything on just one item...I worked WAY too hard and made too many sacrifices to raise the gil that I have now.

So, I decided that the best route to take was to invest my gil in Goldsmithing, in an attempt to get it high enough so that I'll start up a decent flow of income for myself, eventually earning enough to comfortably purchase a Torque and whatever else I needed.

Looking at the posts in this thread, however, I now have my doubts about my plan. I knew that Goldsmithing was an expensive business to break into...but good lord...you can lose as much as 800K just to get your level into the 40's? And I'd imagine that things will only get more expensive from there...and I now seriously doubt that 2 million will be enough to even get me into the 60's.

I need advice...is it still wise to invest my hard earned gil into raising my Goldsmithing skill? It would be most discouraging if I were to raise my skill into the 50's, having almost nothing left, and still be making huge net losses.

[Icemage]

Goldsmithing up through level 27 is "relatively" painless. From what I've seen, and based on my experiences from other crafts, though, goldsmithing gets progressively more expensive every 5 levels or so, and it never really gets any better. The only bright side is that you can make a decent profit on HQ synthing on colored rocks and other lower level synths once you get high enough, so if you are patient you can offset your costs that way.

In any case, it is definitely the most expensive craft to raise by far (though Blacksmithing gives it a run for its money for quite a few levels).


Icemage

[Trevario]

The way I see it is the gil loss is only temporary. You have to spend a little to make a lot.

[PedaTeda]

yup for me... from 1-10 was like taking 2 steps beward to leap 5 step ahead gil wise


also if u buy all ur materials i.e Zinc ore Fire Crystals u will wind up spented alot but..... u cause got thf with TH and just go to Zegam<sp?> Hill and farm ore from stone eaters

and get 50% profit
\
and lastly to get all them fire crystals... just lvl a job thats high enough to get exp from the vultures and farm on them for 100% profit

[jaby]

I don't remember what level you're suppose to make silver ignots, but here are a few things.

You can use silver beastcoins instead of silver ores. On my server, i can get a stack for about 4.5k gil. That works out to about 375gil each beastcoin. Shop around at each nation. Some nations' AH are priced higher than others (Bastok was the highest at 5.5k gil a stack).

Also, you can purchase silver ores from the goldsmith guild. But if they are more than 400gil, it's not worth it. Not sure, but I think the day might affect the price. So, if it's expensive, kill a RL hour, then check back. It might be cheaper.

[UnnamedGalka]

Thanks for the tips, guys. I really do appreciate it. :)

Anyway, I got to thinking the other day...even though I wanted to be a goldsmith before I even began the game, perhaps I should invest my gil in an "easier" craft first...like fishing. Get that up high enough to make a decent cash flow, and then start building up the uber expensive skill that is Goldsmithing.

Think this is a good idea?

[LokiNottE]

I'm a level 16.4 Goldsmith and I got to 16 from about 11 by synthing Brass Hairpins and then DEsynthing them with lightning crystals and REsynthing the brass ingots I got... works better with Advanced Image Support... but I thought I'd put that up since no mention desynthing the Hairpins to get your Ingot back... Hope this helps, it REALLY helped me... ~.^

[UnnamedGalka]

Well, I've been working on Goldsmithing on and off and it's up to 20 now. I haven't really lost any gil per se, but I haven't gained any, either. I've been more or less breaking even.

When exactly do you actually start making a profit off of this? Is this guild really worth anything other than trying to make HQ items?

[Disturbed]

you'll always make a profit if you get your own materials


that being said, sometimes you'll make more profit selling the materials rather than making the item unless you HQ (ie melody earrings on raggy, platinum ingots using 4 ore, etc)

if you play the scrouge and only buy materials up to a certain point you can make a marginal profit which increases as your skill level increases


like..buy silver ore/coins for 300*4, sell for 2k, 800 profit
buy gold coins/ore for 6000*4, sell for 27-28k, 3-4000 profit~^^

[PedaTeda]

yea as son as u can make the better ingots < i.e. silver platnum> u start making the good profits

[Deodorant]

You don't start making any real profit til much higher level.

Lvl 51 GS now, temporarily stopped due to lack of funding (spent about 800k to get where I am).

There really aren't any synths that will make good gil relative to the amount that I've already dumped into the craft. In a sense I have made back a couple of hundred K via desynthing orc goldmasks, but I don't know if that really counts. True, you can make a few K here and there by buying cheap coins/ores/nuggets and selling the ingots, but the time spent doing that you could just go farming and make just as much, if not more.

HQing at 50 isn't really a reliable way to make gil either. Recently tried making peridot (can't remember off-hand, but it is HQ1 of one of the colored stones), HQ'ed 2/23 synths (1 fail) on darksday, for a grand profit of a few thousand K (for an hour's work running around buying stuff and synthing, which sucks balls).

[PedaTeda]

hmm making a few thousand k in and hr... sounds good to me ... 1000k= 1million

[Deodorant]

No it isn't. What is a few k per hour, when at lvl 50+ you can lose something like 10k per synth? If you want to take goldsmithing far you need another high source of income. Personally I farm an average of 50k/hr, or a possible 600-700k (depending on luck) per day if hunting NMs, and even then I can't afford to continue power lvling GS, it's just too expensive.

[Sorath]

Kristin, I think what he meant was you saying you made a "few thousand K"

1000k = 1 million gil ^^

[Deodorant]

Haha

Damn *slaps self*

That should have read "a few k" or "a few thousand gil" /nod

[PedaTeda]

:spin: :spin: :spin: :spin:

Lmao ^^

[Sanguine]

Spent 6 mil getting from 55 to 59 yesterday.

Did Gold hairpins and Gold Rings. Yup, 6 mil.

Nothing's sold back yet and i don't think I'll be getting my 6 mil back anytime soon.

400-420k per stack of gold ingot
24k per Gold Hairpin (cost is 34k)
72k per Gold Ring (Cost is 68k)

What level do I start making money again? Oh that's right, never.

[Haplo]

Stack of gold ingots is like 300k on my server :eek:

[neosoul]

currently 58, and no matter what I do i will end up losing money from this point on. Unless i depend on HQing rocks, recently got 2 diamonds from 5 translucent rocks, the only reason why i havent given up this craft. And I seem to have better HQ with rocks on certain days/moon phases, contrary to what others post are the best days for HQ. But I'll leave that for your experimentation.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by Sanguine

Nothing's sold back yet and i don't think I'll be getting my 6 mil back anytime soon.



1 mil is enough to skill u up from 55 to 59 >.>

[Sanguine]

1 million enough to skill you from 55 to 59. That may be true. But how long will it take for you to do it?

1 Stack of Ingots = 420k
So you use 2.5 stacks and there goes your 1 mil.
2.5 stacks = 15 combines.

Do you think you can get 4 skill ups in 15 combines? No.
So you have to wait until the shit sells back. Say it takes 3-4 days to sell your 15 gold rings (assuming no failures).

So every 3-4 days you might get 0.2-0.5 skill up depending on your luck. At the VERY VERY best, it would take you nearly a month (you do the maths) if you only use 1 mil as your capital.

I'll be happy if anyone can prove me wrong and give me a faster way besides using mass amounts of capital.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

Originally posted by Sanguine
1 million enough to skill you from 55 to 59. That may be true. But how long will it take for you to do it?

1 Stack of Ingots = 420k
So you use 2.5 stacks and there goes your 1 mil.
2.5 stacks = 15 combines.

Do you think you can get 4 skill ups in 15 combines? No.
So you have to wait until the shit sells back. Say it takes 3-4 days to sell your 15 gold rings (assuming no failures).

So every 3-4 days you might get 0.2-0.5 skill up depending on your luck. At the VERY VERY best, it would take you nearly a month (you do the maths) if you only use 1 mil as your capital.

I'll be happy if anyone can prove me wrong and give me a faster way besides using mass amounts of capital.


you can synth Melody Earring skill from 55-57 its depends is your server if its worthy or not

also
Hydro Claws skill from 55 - 59
fire crystal + Mythril Sheet 65k stack + Animal Glue 5k stack + Claws you can buy them from npc from sandoria or synth them (cost 5k~ to synth one)
it cost 90k total every 12 synth after you sell the hydro claw to npc maybe it will cost you less than 90k or a little more depends in your server

1 million = 120~150 synths if you use the hydro claws
you need only 4 lvs 55 to 59
i think 1 million is even more than enough

[Disturbed]

Originally posted by Sanguine
Spent 6 mil getting from 55 to 59 yesterday.

Did Gold hairpins and Gold Rings. Yup, 6 mil.

Nothing's sold back yet and i don't think I'll be getting my 6 mil back anytime soon.

400-420k per stack of gold ingot
24k per Gold Hairpin (cost is 34k)
72k per Gold Ring (Cost is 68k)

What level do I start making money again? Oh that's right, never.

the price of power levelling~~

[Kastel]

You said it'spossible to skill up on melody earrings, but southern pearl on leviathan server is 60k... I have this suspicion that high level goldsmithers on leviathan are ruining the market so its hard for other potential goldsmithees to skill up -.-

picked up goldsmithing again @53 now and not sure what to do >< everything is a money waster :\

[Kosy]

Kastel~

Huh? Makes no sense. At your level, do rings. Mythril Rings + Stone. I believe you should be able to make your own gems (Level 2) quite regularly at your levels. You'll end up with a few gems (Level 1) which can be used to attempt at HQ Level 1 rings (e.g. Balance). Silver Rings are 1,250 gils each at Lower Jeuno. You can easily synth Mythril Rings yourself, since you're a THF and can farm/steal the mythril coins quite easily at your job level.

The rings go for roughly 15-25k on our server. Not sure about yours. If they don't sell enough to cut losses down for you, you should do what you yourself said we all should be doing. Synthing > Decomposition > Synthing > Decomposition, etc ... this should lower your costs somewhat while giving yourself some skill ups.

I'm surprised a lot of people who post here don't look at places like Mystery Tour and then check AH prices/NPC (Retail) before doing their skill path. Some notable items were missing, like Hiraishin, which gives sexcellent skillup to cost ratios, which is VERY important when crafting. Also, people don't consider opportunistic costs, like opting to make silver rings (2x silver ingots) when you could sell the silver ingots for 4k and buy almost 4 silver rings from NPC and synth with those instead ><;; You people need to stop being lazy and blame the JP high level crafters for your problems. Sigh ...

[Haplo]

Er, those rings go for 3-10k on our server, basically however much the gem costs it how much the ring costs, and the whole mythril ring is a loss of money.

[Brothershadow]

Any of you have a guesstimate as to how much more it'll cost me roughly from 32-48? I feel my last stack of Silver ingots to chains will send me over so I can start working on those chain Gorgets.

[Matkun]

I did 28-36 so far on Mythril Ingots.. Mythril beastcoins x4 will take you up to 38, mythril ore x 4 up to 40.

40-50 Maybe can be done with Gold Beastcoins, though that depends on your server's economy.

[Brothershadow]

Mystery tour is exactly the route I followed when picking up this trade. Took me a weekend to hit 32. 38-42 was surprisingly easy
and didnt need to spend anything by simply reusing the materials at hand. 43-48 will also be just as easy, if the A.H economy holds true. I still ponder desynthing. Very cool but not for the feint of heart or the poor.

[PedaTeda]

well i dont know about ur lvls with making equitment but im lvl 12 currently and i got only 32 k on me with 20k constant for lvling drk

this is what i do ..... i make a macro that gives outa upgrades Lgn >> Bastokan or Bronze >> Brass all i do is make the ppl pay for the ingot ( brass 400-600 on Gilgamesh ) i do sometimes break even though i have constant Adv. support since lgn >> Bastokan is lvl 20-24 depening on what im upgrading ... u may be able to do this at higher lvls with brass scale armor ... ive actually made money doing this from " thank you donations" i have also developed "regulars" in this cause some ppl i know r trying to lvl all jobs to 20 (lame low lvl)

[cosmic]

Just for your information...

I tried to do rings at lvl 53, making my own jewels. The problem is, the HQ rate isn't very good, it is about 1 in every 4-6 (the rocks cost about 2k each). So I tried to take someone's advice here and make HQ rings out of the rocks that didn't HQ. Unfortunately, the rate of HQing rings at 53 is about 1/15-20 (with adv. support), which doesn't justify the loss of time and money.

I think the best way to lvl is to go to all the cities and guy all the garnet and ametrine you can, then buy Mythril Rings and synthesize those. I don't know about your servers, but on mine, there are usually a lot of garnets and some ametrine on sale, and they only cost around 3-4k (which is better than buying a bunch of rocks and hoping to HQ in less than 3 tries).

Also, about the LVLing from 55-59 thing with the Hydro Claws. In the most ideal situation, where you craft your own claws, it will still probably cost you more than 1.4 million to get through those levels because you need 30 blacksmithing and 10 bonecrafting to make the claws (if you all ready have those skills, then you have nothing to worry about). Anyway, I went and bought the claws from the NPCs instead. Just a warning, tip, notice, etc.: usually the claws are not on sale in SD, almost never actually, they are only on sale in Norg and Selbina. Norg sells the claws for ~22k while Selbina sells them for 11.5k. I bought my claws from Selbina and leveled from 54.7-58.1 with about 1.5 million. For some reason, my lvling got really slow from LVL57, maybe because it was on a different day (it was fires day too), but I got an average of one skillup in every 5 synthesis ; ;

Anyway good luck to you guys, thanks for putting up this guide, it has helped me a lot and hope my information helps you too.

[Brothershadow]

Was able to get more synths but lost out on gil when trying to sell those earrings. I'm gonna stick to Mytril Ingots till 47.
Although only 6 synths per stack the gains are good ".2" and the
Mythril rings sell back easily overnight for 10k a pop, leaving to only have to farm 18k for a new stack ingots.

[NSix]

some have mentioned how it took them milllions to go up a few skills, while others say they got up the same amount with only 1 mill or less. my question is: how much do you guys think it would take to PL GS to 100? the most efficient way to PL it, meaning synthing on the best day and whatnot, excuse my noobness :)

I have never crafted seriously, but i dig, and mainly hunt NM/HNM(i am a bst),

[Deodorant]

20million+

[NSix]

this is off topic, but to Kristin:

awesome site^ :)

[orts]

late reply but you're out of your mind if you want to even think of plvl'ing gs to 100

simply put, it's impossible to plvl "efficiently"

but uh if you want figures:

1 mil -> 54
3 mil -> 60
5 mil -> 64
11 mil -> 70
15 mil -> 75
20 mil -> 82
27 mil -> 87
30 mil -> 92
35 mil -> 95
42 mil -> 97
62 mil -> 100

give or take 10 mil

[RuneGrey]

So I tried to take someone's advice here and make HQ rings out of the rocks that didn't HQ. Unfortunately, the rate of HQing rings at 53 is about 1/15-20 (with adv. support), which doesn't justify the loss of time and money.

Just as a bit of a note, something I've noticed and heard is that if you are getting guild support, you will have drastically less HQ results than if you are just going on your own. Advanced Support will help to ensure that your normal synths go well, but it won't do much for helping you to get those coveted HQ synths. At least from my (abet very limited) experience.

[nappa99]

cosmic how much did you get back when you sold the claws just wondering what you loss was after making the claws thanks

[Fluid_Mechanik]

Hi all. I've run into a bit of a brick wall levelling goldsmithing and I was hoping to pick your brains on this one.
I'm a level 52 Goldsmith and right now my options look to be levelling on gold earrings, gold hairpins, or those level 36 rings that no one wants. The rings on my server will net me about a 5-7k loss per synth. The earrings run about even and the hairpins are a 2k loss. The gold seems to be the best way to drag my skill up, but the 64k loss for a botch just kills me!

Please help a struggling taru ^.^

Thank you.

[guyincorporated]

Originally posted by Fluid_Mechanik
Hi all. I've run into a bit of a brick wall levelling goldsmithing and I was hoping to pick your brains on this one.
I'm a level 52 Goldsmith and right now my options look to be levelling on gold earrings, gold hairpins, or those level 36 rings that no one wants. The rings on my server will net me about a 5-7k loss per synth. The earrings run about even and the hairpins are a 2k loss. The gold seems to be the best way to drag my skill up, but the 64k loss for a botch just kills me!

Please help a struggling taru ^.^

Thank you.

Way to go, FM. You killed the goldsmithing thread.

[Brothershadow]

Cant wait to get my copy of those shades "Daenerys."
By the by, is that name from the "Game of Thrones" series?

[guyincorporated]

Originally posted by Brothershadow
Cant wait to get my copy of those shades "Daenerys."
By the by, is that name from the "Game of Thrones" series?

Actually these are the bonecrafting shades =). Bonecrafting shades are tinted orange. Goldsmith shades are more like tradition darkened sunglasses.

I started it just because I wanted these, and then happened to just really like the idea of crafting.

And yeah, it is from GoT. Made a lot more sense when I was a dragoon. Shame I couldn't stand the job.

[Brothershadow]

What an amazing series. Daenerys, the Hound and Arya where my favorites. I'd been The Hound for so long during my time on
Phantasy-Star Online I'd figured it was time for a change.
My quest for the shades began when noticing a high lvl Japanese
player whereing them on an airship trip once. Only 20,000 more points and more gil to the winds ><.

[Fluid_Mechanik]

Not only did I kill the thread... I sent it off topic. Go me.

Seriously though, can anyone offer any sort of advice?

[Brothershadow]

Do GoldHairpins.

[Disturbed]

i muddled through to 53 doing gold ingots, then moved onto mythril cuisses which cap @61 so need imagery. 2 mythril sheets, 1 ram leather + fire crystal. only prob on raggy is sheets aren't in huge demand so have to pay more for ingot stack to make the damn sheets =\

results have varied for me so far, i'm 54.9, 53-54.2 went so slow i felt like i spent too much money, 54.2-54.9 i got in about 6 synths so that was all good =\

[Kastel]

hmmm, i think i got through that hump by trying to HQ rocks. Rocks i didnt HQ i would turn into the rings that cap at 55 and just sell them to vendor. Then I think i took someone's advise and made the hydro claws and then i moved to plat ingots with plat beastcoins, then to nuggets. 64.5 now and im making plat earrings, rings, and hydro patas. Stuff sells so slow x.x

[Disturbed]

noone on raggy makes claws i'm assuming there's a more profitable alternative to skill up on =(

considered doing axes but only 3 hydro axes been sold legit; either that or someone paid liek 320k for the wrong item =D

got to 57 with mythril cuisses. 1.5 skillup cost about 210k when you take out selling them to npc/ah. moved onto plat ingots with glasses and imagery. 6/8 were success got skillup on 3 of them for .5 total. it seems like to me everythign i skillup on before a new ingot type (silver, mythril, gold, plat) seems to be quite exp, and then ignots work out nicecly for break even/profit

[Legend]

My quest for the shades began when noticing a high lvl Japanese
player whereing them on an airship trip once. Only 20,000 more points and more gil to the winds ><.

At first I wanted the shades, but when I seen a Smither with an Apron, I want that much more, it just look more professional(and cool) when your craftings.

[Kastel]

goldsmithing 100k item is a goldsmithing apron :D

um.. i think on the claws i lost like 10k per synth or something. i just went to selbina and burned my gils buying them there. If you have someone that can craft those, it will help you immensely and you will save tons of gil.

65.4~ sloowwww torture on plat earrings x.x

[akicktothegroin]

Thinking of starting Goldsmithing. This will be my first craft. I sold all my gears... everything! now my char is stark nakked except for AFs and Ex items. Thus i have 30 million ++ to work with.

I thought i could use that 30 mil to level my goldsmithing to 100. Until i saw the below post... that's a whoopin 251 million gil to work golsmithing! I don't have that much and i will never have that much!!!

Is it accurate? 251 million is crazy! Maybe i'm missing the PL part. what does plvling craft mean? sorry i'm a newbie in this forum

late reply but you're out of your mind if you want to even think of plvl'ing gs to 100

simply put, it's impossible to plvl "efficiently"

but uh if you want figures:

1 mil -> 54
3 mil -> 60
5 mil -> 64
11 mil -> 70
15 mil -> 75
20 mil -> 82
27 mil -> 87
30 mil -> 92
35 mil -> 95
42 mil -> 97
62 mil -> 100

give or take 10 mil

[jaby]

PL a crafting means you are power leveling. You are crafting for purely skill ups, and selling your crafts to NPCs (since AH takes some time to stuff to sell).

I'm lvl.40 in Goldsmithing. Taking my time, and picking my crafts wisely. I think I've basically broken even (huge losses from 20-27, and small gains from there on end).

Edit - And then you come across a thread like this, and this makes you wanna cry. http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=24&mid=1101941799595198107&num=7

[Brothershadow]

Exactly. Making and breaking for quick skill ups. All caution to the wind. cept for desynthing on the appropriate days. I leveled very quickly but lost alot of gil in the process. Can someone reccomend a good level to start breaking down the Gold Orcmasks? And what have you found it to be percentage wise?

[Izual]

Kastel, what did you do with all those hydro claws you made? On my server putting them up for auction isn't an option, they never sell. If they npc for a decent amount I could see this working though.

[Yasuhiko Ohto]

heres an easy one for low lvl characters on smithing and Level. Defeat yagados for the Yagado Necklase.

1 yagado necklas + 1 Lightning Crystal = Bronze Ignot.

Easy cash if you sell a stack. Only problem is buying the Crystals.

[Xuande]

Word of advice to those trying to advance goldsmith: don't.

Back in the day, this might have been feasible for the slightly out of the ordinary crafter; but today, unless you're rich (I'm talking over 20 million free cash you don't care wasting), you don't have a chance.

Everything is fine and dandy until the mid 60's. Hell, if you don't mind a 10k per synth loss, you can go to 67.0 easily on hydro patas. Here, however, is where the problem starts.

The recipes from 70 to 80 (or whenever you had planned to start cutting elemental ores) are absolutely hell. There is not a single useful recipe in the 70's except the lv3 rings, which have declined so far in price that (most of them) are not worth a quarter of their ingredients. Not only that, but at so late in this game's life cycle, the amount of gold smithers making gold rings (for skill) and selling them for a loss has reached zero. Which means if you want to skill on the lv3 rings, you'll have to make the gold ring yourself, which adds to your loss.

Depending on your server, lv3 rings sell from between 30k~50k (50k if you're lucky) and cost around 80k to make. This is a potential 50k loss per synthesis. Not to mention we're not talking quick NPC sellback here, this is AH wait-a-thon sale.

From the way I see it, lv3 rings are out of the question. It's far easier to make some of the skill 70~ equipment which takes only 1 gold ingot (as opposed to gold rings which take 2), and double the amount of skill up you can obtain, while still losing the same amount of money.

Another problem is the sheer lack of materials (not even rings, ingots). Ingots are in hot demand by every level of crafter, trying to skill or make HQs. This makes it even more important that you make every gold ingot count and make some equipment rather than put 2 ingots together to make a ring. I've slaved on the AH all day long to aquire every gold ingot possible and in the end only ended up with 7 stacks (84 synthesis.) If you're lucky, 7 stacks will get you about 2.5 points up.

Anyway, I've made it from 67 to 74.1 on about 1.5 million gil per level. I still have the goods I made on a couple mules (no clue what to do with them, because they never sell). I mainly shot for the gold lv60 +vit set and gold patas. As painful as this sounds, I see it as the cheapest route, atleast for my server.

Just a warning to aspiring gold smiths. If you don't have an insane amount of money, you're better off quiting. Making gold ingots and such and thinking "I just might be able to do this!" is great and all, but in reality, gold smithing isn't realisitic.

[Ljarin]

The cost varies tremendously from server to server. On mine the lv 3 rings sell for usually 50-60k (currently going up about 5-10k each to match the gold ingot price going up recently) and the gem cost is very low meaning you are only losing around 10-15k per synth which is quite bearable. Now I'm at 71 with the shades and apron and with a few lucky HQ as well as the stuff I can HQ easily I can keep the gil coming in quite reasonably.


It is still a nightmare though don't get me wrong :D I guess on some servers it's worse than others. I had to laugh the other week when a 80+ clothcrafter was complaining at losing 5k per synth or something. I got used to that around 40-50 goldsmith :p

[Fluid_Mechanik]

I just hit 58, and yes, you were right about levelling being hell from 50 till now, and you'll probably be right about it once I hit 70, but now that I'm skilling up on Platinum ingots, I break even. I make about 7k profit per ingot, and I don't break more than 1 in 6. The profit I make off the ingots more than makes up for the loss.

Only trouble is... there are only 2 or 3 buyers for my ingots. Any idea as how to move the ingots fast? I'm not close enough to skillup on ingots and Earrings yet.

[Xuande]

Boy do I wish I was on fairy. Sounds like you have very few high level goldsmiths there.

My advice would be to keep them if you have the capital, because you will want them later, and if no one else is selling them, you'll have to slave the AH waiting for someone to list them or go after another recipe at that stage.

For what it's worth, the 50s were simple in comparison to the 70s. It's said the 70s are a goldsmiths "true test" and it certainly seems to be the case. Before I get to 80 I'll have lost around 16 million gil. And that's money that's not coming back either. The items you make don't sell, so you can only NPC them. The 1.5 some million I lost during the 50s is chicken scratch in comparison. Everything after 80 is pretty much profit or break even. Just a little bit further... orz

[Xuande]

Sorry for the double post. I just read the power leveling GS to 100 and had a good laugh. Not only would it cost an insane amount of gil, it's simply not possible. There aren't enough LV90~100 ingredients floating around at any given time and you'll always be waiting for someone to list shit so you can buy it.

[Kastel]

70.6, love losing 30-40k on +3 rings :spin:

[jinxmitchell]

Everybody here spends so much gil O.O I get excited when i have 200k+ lol

Anyway, I'm currently 48 goldsmithing with 460k I'm about to spend on gold ingots and was wondering if anybody here actually has goldsmithing supply its own skill up money. Send me a PM if you don't want to post please ^^

[Fluid_Mechanik]

Yeah, I was making enough of a profit off of Platinum ingots 2 weeks ago enough so that it paid for the botches. And then some idiots bought up all the nuggets and raised the price 17k each. So now a successful synth breaks even and a botch hurts real bad. Sometimes they pay for themselves sometimes they don't.

Gold ingots for me were only break even. botches were a total loss.

Good luck!

[jinxmitchell]

I guess what i meant was, does anybody make any money with synthing who is around goldsmithing 49? Or am I just trying to find the best HQ item once i hit 50 and try for that?

[Ljarin]

I didn't really find anything to make a decent income until I got to around 68 GS. Currently at 74 with Shades and Apron and I can make quite a healthy income from it.

[jinxmitchell]

ok good to know there is a light at the end of the tunnel ^^
I'll just keep on truckin' then

[Legend]

Anyone have information on the first rank items you can buy? Forgot whats it called Anima something..you get two choices.

Any links or info would be appreciated I can't find any

[Ljarin]

Gold Purification
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6100

Gold Ensorcellment
http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6101



79.1 and rising... slowly..

[Legend]

Yeah thats, it. Finally got my laptop to work with my router. And looking at what you can make with the key items Purification and Enscorcellment I really see no good use that warrants the cost to make the items with the extra enchantments especially since once the enchantment gone then its gone for good.

Unless I or someone else find a good reason to get this key item im going to skip it and go for the glasses.

[Ljarin]

Both the above seemed overall pretty useless to me and I haven't bothered with either of them

[joyoon]

...

[Xuande]

Please don't post about levels you know nothing about. You're only likely to hurt someone else who mistakes what you post as something credible.

Originally posted by joyoon
^^
Assuming it takes 10 synths for 1 level up, this is the cost:

Wish I was playing whatever game you're playing.
Assuming it takes 40 synths for 1 level up (since you are in your higher levels, it will take about 3-4 stacks of items for 1 level up), this is cost:

Ok, a bit closer.
70 - 75 --> 18.8 mil Profit: 20 mil
75 - 78 --> 15 mil Profit: 12 mil

Profit? :confused: What profit? If you're thinking lv54 rings and phatom/morion earrings, they are anything but profitable. Infact your loss is probably greater than if you just made a quick NPC-sell craft like a gold buckler.
78 - 85 --> 42 mil Profit: 50 mil

Death earrings might have been profitable a year or so ago, but now this is a sure fire way to lose money. By the way, the color red is usually associated with deficit so you're probably half right, without knowing it. Get apron and shades and advanced support and go for elemental ores as soon as possible.
85 - 87 --> 12.8 mil Profit: 12 mil

If you don't want to take 5 years making elemental ores, you're gonna have to sell them for break even or maybe even a loss to get them moving faster than the higher level goldsmiths who are just crafting them for a small profit. Unless you have like 50 mules. And when they break, any "profit" you may have made becomes immediately noticeable as a loss.
87 - 89 --> 55.72 mil Profit: 60.8 mil

(Assuming orichalcum) This would take months alone. There just aren't enough ores. And on my server they are break even, so went it breaks, bye bye profit.
89 - 95 --> 40.8 mil Profit: 48 mil

Again, not profitable by any means. Even diamond rings will net you a loss of a few ten thousand gil, and that's if you buy the rings from a lower level guilder who is also taking a loss. If you have to make them yourself, count on even bigger loss. These will also take months to get rid of, especially if you start from 89. Try muscle belts as long as you can bare it.
In 95 - 100, estimated 0.1 skill up per synth, so very fast leveling here.

/huh :confused:
95 - 100 --> 67.5 mil Profit: 80 mil

Most elemental rings are a loss, though it varies depending on how many people are rushing to 100 on your server.
Now that you're 100, you can make the 37.5 million gil back buy HQing level 70 rings like Tempest Ring that sells for 3.5 million.
You should be able to make your money back in about 12 synths, or about 2 weeks.

12 synths? Replace "synth" with "uber HQ" and it might work. Unfortunately your net loss is wrong so probably not.
So assuming you leveled everyday with only a few ores on AH at any given time, it would take you about 8 months to level goldsmithing from 70 to 100, depending on your server's ability to put up ores often.

You took into account lack of goods listed on AH but forgot to calculate resale of synth'd goods, which is actually what limits most people.
So in estimate:
272.3 million gil
and 8 months of leveling from 70 - 100 + whatever time it takes for 1-80.

Strictly powerleveling, maybe. Although I think it's ridiculous to even entertain the thought, because it would never happen. But if you sell back what you make, I'd estimate you only increase your time by 50% and decrease your net loss to about 50 million.

Be weary of what you read, this is not a guide. If you don't have the brains to figure out your own best path in goldsmithing, it isn't for you.

[Naran]

Originally posted by Gen
You could also use 4 silver beastcoins in place of silver ore for the silver ingots..they seem to cost a hair more but stack.
unless you steal them then theyre FREE!!

[Gastav]

"joyoon" All that is crap




You don't know anything about this craft so please don't talk about it .. what profit, there are no profit from any item you skill with and also about HQ rings lvl 54 ... you are dreaming baby .. that need lvl 100+5 to make and i am sure that you will made about 3/10 HQ .. there is 25 lvl between them ... hard to HQ these in normal days.. this craft will you make you cry.. i really feel sorry about myselves and those who's lvling goldsmithing.

[Dimster]

omg thank you for guides. My mithra is trying to lvl goldsmithing and its very difficult because no one will ever help me with it XD. Damn people are too impatient and poor to even bother lvling it :P. tyvm x1000 for guides!!!1!1!11one

[Ljarin]

90+3 now and chugging along at a pretty respectable pace

[Patronus]

hello i currently have 56.7 milion gil. Im lv 48 goldsmithing and after i checked some of your posts i cant quite figure out the aproximate cost till lv 100. So far ive spent about 1.7 mil till lv 48 thats due to the fact that ive been burning money without selling with or without profit. As i said i have 56.7 million and im planning to invest it into gs all way up, Can anyone with higher lv like 85+ tell me if i can take it to Lv 85+ excluding/incuding profit i make.I would be vey much apreaciated. Thankx

[Gastav]

Originally posted by Patronus
hello i currently have 56.7 milion gil. Im lv 48 goldsmithing and after i checked some of your posts i cant quite figure out the aproximate cost till lv 100. So far ive spent about 1.7 mil till lv 48 thats due to the fact that ive been burning money without selling with or without profit. As i said i have 56.7 million and im planning to invest it into gs all way up, Can anyone with higher lv like 85+ tell me if i can take it to Lv 85+ excluding/incuding profit i make.I would be vey much apreaciated. Thankx
ok i'll tell you the best way to lvl goldsmithing from 48 to 100... and you have to move to another craft before you hit the cap or you will waste your time i'll be fast and don't ask why this and not that

48 > 50 (Gold Ingot) Fire Crystal + Gold Beastcoin x4 "Cap 51"
50 > 52 (Gold Ingot) Fire Crystal + Gold Ore x4 "Cap 53"
52 > 56 (Gold Earring) Wind Crystal + Gold Ingot x2 "Cap 57"
56 > 59 (Gold Ring) Fire Crystal + Gold Ingot x2 "Cap 60"
59 > 63 (Platinum Ingot) Fire Crystal + Platinum Ore x1 + Platinum Nugget x6 "Cap 64"
63 > 67 (Platinum Earring) Wind Crystal + Platinum Ingot x2 "Cap 68"
67 > 69 (Platinum Ring) Fire Crystal + Platinum Ingot x2 "Cap 70"
69 > 71 ((made any of the level "54" rings that make profit))
((once you hit level 71 and you must get the shaded & the Apron + Guild image start with Morion earrings OR the Phantom earrings till you hit level 77 but at level 74 if you feel that you are not getting any skill try to take off the shaded & Apron but keep the image once you hit level 75 take off the image... the cap for this craft 78))
77 > 85 (Death Earring) Earth Crystal + Platinum Earring x1 + Death Stone x1"if you don't want to keep crafting this then try to hit level 80 to start with (Beads LV87 Cap) or (Pigeon Earring LV88 Cap)"
?? > 88 (Orichalcum Ingot) Fire Crystal + Orichalcum Ore x3 + Platinum Ore x1 "Cap 89"
88 > 92 or 93 try to made level 72 rings
9? > 100 any ring level 74

[Patronus]

it looks like a good guide but doesnt answer my question.
?? > 88 (Orichalcum Ingot) Fire Crystal + Orichalcum Ore x3 + Platinum Ore x1 "Cap 89"
That look like a good 5 million to me, if i get 0.1 for every 3-4 synth without failing.

[Ljarin]

He provided all the information he had, how on earth could he tell you how much it would cost etc when he isn't even on the same server as you? You need to look at item costs on your server and work it out.

[Patronus]

yeh i understand your point, since youre lv 90 was it hard for you to get that high?

[Ljarin]

Yes... some stretches are torture but once past 88 it gets bearable ^^

[MonoxideChild]

I hope you have more gil if you plan to take Goldsmithing to 100 on Pandemonium. -_-

[Ljarin]

http://www.lunarianls.com/modules/gallery/albums/album03/gold.jpg

:D

[Dragonsword]

Congratulation Ljarin ^^)b

I note that ur GS goes up from 70+ from early this year to 100 by September. Could u share ur experience along the process. Obviously, minimize the loss and at least gain some healthy income during the process are significant. Could u shed some light on this aspects?

My thx in advance.

[Sammonoske]

Really nice guild, atleast I know what to synth for the next few days.. <--amatuer
One question, what lvl do I become a recruit?

[DizavidHZ]

I joined GS becaue of Copper ingots. You only need 5k for a stack of fire crystals, then around 9-20 gil for copper ores. If you start as soon as they open you can make a lil over two stacks of ingots (note bronze ingots for BS work too) at about 15-17k. So thats 10k for the crystals, but then two stacks of ingots bring in about 30-34K; making a great profit for newbies like me. In fact I wrote this out for newbies like me; Copper, Bronze, and Brass Ingots have been a central part of my gil for new spells ><

And Sam; I believe you can go recruit at lvl 8; you need a Copper Hairpin (please forgive me) if I'm wrong. I'm lvl 9 and am pretty sure recruit was my new rank.
Copper Hairpins can be bought at AH if you're lazy/lacking materials or gil to make one; cause by lvl 8 its *easy* to make Copper hairpins.

[Skydust]

the sun glasses....what lvl of goldsmithing do you get those? O.o;; very noob question T_T

[balvenie]

I'm only at level 28, but here is the path I took:

0-1 Copper ingots (Desynth from yag necklace)
0-3 Copper ingots (Copper Ore recipie)
3-9 Brass ingots (Zinc + 3 Copper, save these)
9-12 Silver thread (Requires 43 clothcraft minimum)
12-14 Coronettes ( Requires 11 Bonecraft)
14-18 Silver Ingots (Silver beastcoin recipie)
18-20 Silver Ingots (Silver Ore Recipie)
18-21 Shrimp Lure (sells for good profit)
21-24 Silver Bullet (Requires 49 Alchemy Minimum)
24-27 Silver Hairpin (Bridge synth, I skipped these)
24-28 Thief Tools (Sell for profit, but slowly, Requires Smithing and Woodworking)
25-31 Hirashin (Sells quick) <-- Currently here

I am a profit crafter, so I only make what I can sell each leveling session (maybe more if I know it'll move faster). I was lucky to have some other crafts leveled before Goldsmithing, so I was able to use multi-craft synths.

[DakAttack]

For 1-5 I've found synthing and desynthing Copper Rings to be the easiest. Two ingots to make the rings along with a fire crystal, then the ring and a lightning crystal desynths it. You can make, break, then remake the same ring over and over. On average I found three stacks of each crystal and two stacks of ingots work out well.

I've only started, but I found this method to be a lot mroe efficient than copper ore. For one there's the synth and desynth for skill ups trick, and two the ingots stack which make purchasing them less of a chore.

[Avoklex]

SKydust, I believe u can obtain your first major GP item at skill level 38. The apron is somewhere like 68, and the the last item is upwards in the 80's.

[DakAttack]

I had always thought synthesis support only helped the resulting product, but it does help your skill ups very much. I was amazed to see skill ups on every synth, while using fire crystals and facing West of course.

[Aeolus]

So you cant get apron till 68?>.< R the glassed 38 then?

[Rockmaster]

After Months of saving Materials

:cry: I can Confirm that Goldsmithing lvl 70 to lvl 92 cost me at least 50 Million gil :cry:


Also lvl 92-94 cost me 10 stacks of Platinum ingots and about 2 Million in HQ Gems, roughly about 17 million. I desynth most everything, so I got some of the materials back.

[Kessy]

A very long time... I HQ one skill 20 synth and 1 HQ +2 VIT ring out of like 5 tries on both. Need very high skill in order to make nice money in goldsmithing. I leveled mainly to synth gold ingots on the side whenever I accumulate some beastcoins, and to desynth gold orcmask. If I want money though, will need to go beyond this ^^

On titan brass sheets are cheap to make and sell for about 15-20k per stack so that easy to make. Its one of the few things to make profit from if your a Goldsmither just starting to do silver ingots

[Kessy]

After Months of saving Materials

:cry: I can Confirm that Goldsmithing lvl 70 to lvl 92 cost me at least 50 Million gil :cry:


Also lvl 92-94 cost me 10 stacks of Platinum ingots and about 2 Million in HQ Gems, roughly about 17 million. I desynth most everything, so I got some of the materials back.

o_o I always here things like in smithing and goldsmithing you use lots of gil to get it real high, but my question is how does it work? As in how do afford it? Is there something you can make to give you enough gil to continue your craft?:huh:

[Kiryn]

I just started doing Goldsmithing. And i'm only level 1. And I did like seven recipes.

Including the 4 x Copper Ores + 1 Fire Crystal. And my skill is at 1.3.

[Anela]

Dumb question, but what is a stack?

[Daos]

A stack is 12 items that are all placed in the same inventory slot.

[Animate Blade]

yeah even though im from sandy, i still try and head over to bastok to kill the huge numbers of worms for the ores

[Dard]

hello ^^w

just saw that alot of ppl here have trouble getting to 60 goldsmith ^^;
I also had that trouble but i managed to reround that problem with some time spending on mining gold; mythril ores and moblin gear, and steal mythril beastcoins in davoi.
Dont expect from me for a good skill/profit guide, this is only for the patient ppl ^^;
This is the path i take when i could make Mythril ingots:

Mythril Beastcoin x 4 + Fire crystal = 1 Mythril ingot

Mythril Ingot x 2 + Wind crystal = Mythril Earring

Mythril Earring + lightning crystal = 1 Mythril Ingot ( nq , hq1) / 2 Mythril Ingot (hq2)- this one you will get hardly but still with desynth Mog enhancement it still helps

Mythril Ingot x 2 + Fire crystal = Mythril Ring

After this i went for Silver Beastcoins

Silver Ingot x 3 + Fire Crystal = Silver Bangles ( till lvl cap 49 )

Now its the tricky part ^^;
After i took GS to 49 I started to farm right away Gold orcmasks
I didnt care if i had many breaks I was doing it for the few skill ups and to not loose much gil on crafting for skill ups.

My targets where Orcish trooper for the gold orcmasks, and i still steal mythril beastcoins for my other skill up target recipe.

OK, after that long desynth and farming I managed to get less than 2000k in gil with the gold ingots from the Gold orcmasks. Bought some 8 stacks of gold beastcoins and managed to skill up to 51.

Now the real hardcore, its the mining part, if u mine in Oldtown u might be able to get some gold ores and get ur GS to 53, i did that and also tried to steal the NM in west ronfaure Bigmouthbilly ( total waste of time better mining trust me -.- )
so after some time i got some gold ores and after that ( 2 months ) i got lvl 53 GS.

And the last part but most important: remember about those Mythril beastcoins that i stole in Davoi?
I didnt sold them, instead i crafted them to make Mythril ingots and used them to make Mythril sheets.

You now asking " why so?"

Well... because i used this recipe to get to 60, and this one includes alot of stacks of Mythril sheets unfortunatelly, but better than waste ur gil in gold ingots ( problably half of the total cost, depending of the server), well here it is the recipe, its a lvl 61 recipe cap:

Mythril Sheet x2 + Fire Crystal = Mythril Cuisses
Square Of Ram Leather

Also dont expect of returning gil from this recipe if u put in the ah, if it sells less than 3,5K just npc it.

well hope this help u getting to 60 ^^;
just dont waste ur gil on power skilling unless u have a veteran to assist u in desynth the results from the ingots, and yes the cheap way is mining but takes alot of patient. and if u have alchemy to 60 u also can make a profit from glass fiber ( desynth from moblin gear also ) mining in Oldtown.