The Dark Ones Part 3

[boblibob]

well heres the latest and greatest please rate 1- 10
10 Being the best
also plz leave some constructive critisism just to help make it better

made by Boblibob & Slade

[Crashpod]

id give it a 7

[White_Wind]

this one look at lot better than the last one :)

I give it a 9

[Kiddish]

Much better than the other one without the eyes (i gave the other one a 4) 8/10 for this.

[Look]

you should at least change their facing a little, instead of all of htem look to the left, you should change some of them look to the right or up, etc
i dont like how you use the emboss feature, it make them look like cardboards. and you shouldn't make them trasparent either, 'cuz its hard to see... that A in the "Dark" still looks weird... maybe you should just use the same fonts for all the texts. or use differnet fonts only for the first letter in the word.

[tre valentine]

I give it 10 becouse of the people that dont like anarchy, so i give you a 10. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Slade]

Well I guess I'll have to reply on some of the comments (is Look the only one that has comments on the pic:confused: )considering Boblibob isn't online. Ok here I go.
you should at least change their facing a little, instead of all of htem look to the left, you should change some of them look to the right or up, etc
Well I think it's not that important what direction they are facing, so we'll probably just leave that as it is.
i dont like how you use the emboss feature, it make them look like cardboards.
Yeah I understand what you mean, but if we wouldn't have inserted the emboss feature you would see tiny white dots. You see Boblibob is very good at cutting the characters' heads out with his paintspa program and when he send it to me the file automatically gets a white background. So I have to get the white out, but it's still better than getting the heads out of the original pic with the clouds, mountains etc. The problem is that on photoshop I can choose 2 ways to cut things out of pics (correct me if I'm wrong and if there's another way to get things out of pic’s please tell me how) and that is magic wand or magnetic lasso. I used magnetic lasso because I couldn't get the right things out of the pic with magic wand. And using megnatic lasso I just coudn't get the heads out of the pic like Boblibob did. So that explains why I put the emboss feature in it.
and you shouldn't make them trasparent either, 'cuz its hard to see
Well the heads aren't transparent it looks that way because I set the light effect in the middel as a last layer to give the A a better look. And I think the heads are pretty visible to me so I don't understand why you think it's hard to see.
that A in the "Dark" still looks weird... maybe you should just use the same fonts for all the texts. or use differnet fonts only for the first letter in the word.
Well Boblibob really wanted to insert the A like the A of Anarchy. So I think he would kill me if I changed it lol.
P.S: people that gave this pic a 1 can you please explain why you gave it a 1, and what you think we should change. And people’s grading shouldn't be affected by the A of Anarchy because we didn't ask what you think of Anarchy but what you think of the pic we made.
P.P.S: We would like to get more replies on the pic so that we’ll be able to make it better, so please post!
P.P.P.S (lol:sweat: ): It seems that we still have one spot left for another member, so if you want to join our clan please reply now. The things you need to know before you can join you can find in Boblibob’s post in this thread: http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6555

[Chipmunk777]

well, change the A to a normal a, cuz when i looked at it it looked like it said "The Dork Ones"... so, definately change that... um, looks good. and, the ppl who gave it a one were probably just being assholes

[Look]

well, chipmunk, i think you are wrong about "giving 1 = asshole"
'cuz i gave it a one, and i gave plenty of reasons why i think it deserves a one.

sorry if the low rating upsets you, i'm a harsh rater, and i rate it so low because i've seen far better pic made by non-professionals. you are still a beginner, and it's normal to receive low ratings. if you want me to rate based on how much you improve, then i would rate it a 7

anyway, take a look at other signature or logo or whatever, and see if you can learn anything from them.

about the white parts, you can simply use eraser after lasso. that's what i usually do, even before i got a tablet. and my suggestions for the lens affect is better not using it. you have to know how to combine the filter tools in photoshop to make them look nice. if you just use it alone, they would look fake.
for example, on the pic, where you have light effect above all other pictures, not only the light beams blocks the character, make them harder to see, it also make them look fake. because the lighting on the char's faces are from different directions. (that's why i was suggesting to change the facing position)

the background is still too empty. the dragon are a little bit too much, they distract people's attention, unless you plan to use them as your mascot.

[Slade]

Originally posted by Look
well, chipmunk, i think you are wrong about "giving 1 = asshole"
'cuz i gave it a one, and i gave plenty of reasons why i think it deserves a one.

sorry if the low rating upsets you, i'm a harsh rater, and i rate it so low because i've seen far better pic made by non-professionals. you are still a beginner, and it's normal to receive low ratings. if you want me to rate based on how much you improve, then i would rate it a 7

anyway, take a look at other signature or logo or whatever, and see if you can learn anything from them.

about the white parts, you can simply use eraser after lasso. that's what i usually do, even before i got a tablet. and my suggestions for the lens affect is better not using it. you have to know how to combine the filter tools in photoshop to make them look nice. if you just use it alone, they would look fake.
for example, on the pic, where you have light effect above all other pictures, not only the light beams blocks the character, make them harder to see, it also make them look fake. because the lighting on the char's faces are from different directions. (that's why i was suggesting to change the facing position)

the background is still too empty. the dragon are a little bit too much, they distract people's attention, unless you plan to use them as your mascot.
I thank you for the info on how to get the white parts out and I thank you for replying. But I think your being to cruel on your grading. You should give people at least a 2 for the job they did and the effort. And if it's the ugliest thing you saw in your life I would understand a 2. But if it's not the ugliest thing you saw in your life you should give people at least a 3. Owh and yes we're pretty much beginners on this and because of your grading and harsh comments you pretty much sucked the fun out of making a pic..so I thank you very much on that!:mad: (I guess you caught me on a very bad time:rolleyes: )

[aspa]

Hmm, I know you're going for the Anarchy thing, but seriously, 'dark' can easily be misread as 'dork' when you have the circle in there (especially the way the circle is accentuated by being lit from behind). And you wouldn't want that, now would you? :p

I agree with the comment about the embossed heads. Maybe soften the emboss so they don't look like cut-outs... and maybe flip one or two of the heads horizontally so they face in different directions, rotate them so they're looking up or down, etc.
edit: I know you think this isn't a big deal, but it's one of the major flaws in my opinion. Using the eraser to polish the edges is not difficult if you zoom way in to see the pixels more clearly. And having them all face one way like that is a design flaw, imho.

But I like the tone of it, the designs in the bg, colors, etc! A work in progress!
6/10 :)

[Shinryoku]

I gave it a 7/10 (easy rater)

I would work on cleaning up the faces to stand out more, the flare effects sort of drown them out and the light highlights at the top of them seem too artificial, I would have them source around given light's (if you have a flare, have that side glow towards it but also toned down to appear real).

The dragons are a nice touch but seem to draw attention away from the center of the image, I would probably give them a slight transparency or make them appear more as simply background.

Last ... each time I look at the "Dark" I think of "Dork" simply because of the shape of the Anarchy symbol. If you just can't live without that symbol, then make the full text in a similar style besides color - also I would change the Outer Glow on the text to a red color since thats the most seen color to me in the image.

[Look]

But I think your being to cruel on your grading. You should give people at least a 2 for the job they did and the effort. And if it's the ugliest thing you saw in your life I would understand a 2. But if it's not the ugliest thing you saw in your life you should give people at least a 3. Owh and yes we're pretty much beginners on this and because of your grading and harsh comments you pretty much sucked the fun out of making a pic..so I thank you very much on that! (I guess you caught me on a very bad time )

you do have a point there... yeah, i suppose i was a bit too harsh. and forgot that beginners usually are sensitive about feedbacks. so i'm really sorry for kicking all the fun out of you. if changing the rating to a 2 or 3 would make you get all the fun back, i would do it. 'cuz its not my intention to stop others from having fun with art. *yes, i wish everyone love art, and enjoy it*

although i like to make ppl mad :rolleyes: , i didnt mean to be an ass and flame you. so calm down, and keep improving your pic. and if you don't like me, i won't leave any comments on your work in the future. *peace, ppl*

[Slade]

Originally posted by Look


you do have a point there... yeah, i suppose i was a bit too harsh. and forgot that beginners usually are sensitive about feedbacks. so i'm really sorry for kicking all the fun out of you. if changing the rating to a 2 or 3 would make you get all the fun back, i would do it. 'cuz its not my intention to stop others from having fun with art. *yes, i wish everyone love art, and enjoy it*

although i like to make ppl mad :rolleyes: , i didnt mean to be an ass and flame you. so calm down, and keep improving your pic. and if you don't like me, i won't leave any comments on your work in the future. *peace, ppl*
No keep leaving comments (less harsh comments would help me a lot lol )! i like comments! I just got a little sad about getting a 1 lol. And i got the fun back in keeping making pics. I'm almost done with the signs for the clans, I'll post them soon.
Owh and forgot to answer a question you asked before, yeah the dragons are our mascots so that's why I made them stand out a bit.

[Flawless Cowboy]

I'm sticking with my 8. It's really has not improved or degraded from the last version.

I don't like the way the dragons eyes are glowing.....takes away from the emptyness that the original dragon pics had.

I also agree that the heads need to be arranged in a different fasion. The head that's looking to the right sticks out like a sore thumb because all the others are staring straight at you.

I like the light burst coming from the "A" but it would look alot better if the light from it was softly reflecting on the heads; like a basic lighting effect, one part of the head is light while the other is darker~Lights and Shadows~get what I'm saying? It would also be nice (at least in my head) if the light burst was using negative coloring. I think a negative color light burst would fit better with the "Dark Ones" theme.

Those are just my opinions, otherwise I thinks it pretty much complete; if not already. There's not very much else you can do to it.

Still give it a 1000 compared to the original!!

[Vivid]

way better than the last one... 8/10

[Slade]

Ok well I finished making sigs for our clan The dark ones. And I took your advise Look on how to get the heads out of the pics. I hope I did a good job on that:sweat: .
http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/dual_dragon/The_dark_ones55_copy.jpg
And this is another sig I made for the clan Dual Dragons I'm gonna start with my Hume char Slade.
http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/dual_dragon/Slade_sig4copy.jpg
Please tell me witch clan sig you like more and why.
Owh and if you think we should change something on the dark ones sig or I should change something on my Dual Dragon sig please reply telling what should be changed. :spin:

[Look]

you totally wow me with the first one. i defenitely would vote for the first one. suits the name well, and yes, the head is well cut out, and nicely blend in. the background is a lot more solid. *still suggest you change something about that A ... it just resemble too much of O*

i would prefer to take out the glow in teh dragon eyes. maybe very dim red glow, 'cuz they distract viewer's attention. and kinda *annoy*... also, the greeness on the dragon are cool, but also disturb the picture a little bit. if you make the green part less saturate and a bit dimmer, it might work. (way to do this in photoshop: goes to image>>adjustment>>Replace Color, then select the green part of the dragon, on the window, it will show selected part in white i think. and you can change the fuzziness to chose the color that are closer to the green. then adjust the saturation, or even hue and light around till you are satisified)

for the 2nd signature, it's okay, i dont understand what are the tiger and skull doing in front of the dragons. after all, you call it dual dragon, and they have nothing to do with it. don't use things that had little relationship to your main theme, no matter how cool they look. if you really want to keep them, dont use Dual Dragon for text. also, more than 2 creatures on a signature would appear too crowd.
also i personally would want to avoid using filter tools such as lens effect, because they give you unnessary light beams. if you want the eyes to glow, first fill it with white, and then use air brush with maybe 50% or less occupacity to give a touch around the eyes, and darken surrounding places. that's the method i prefer.
its not really needed to put two of the same heads at the corner. 'cuz sometimes art is about asymmetric. maybe you can try putting the head somewhere slightly to the right of the center point, and put the dragon logos on the left. dragon layer is on top of hte character layer, so its like he turns back and look at the logo.. if you really prefer the layout now, i would suggest at least turn the heads the other way, its more rebellish, and also match the light source from the center.

err, i hope i explained well... not good with wordings :P
and for rating: um... let's say first one would be a 5.5 out of 10 (if i compare to all the other sig i've seen...) or a 9.3 to compare to your old ones. :)
2nd one, eh... i'm sorry i would rate it a bit low, maybe i should keep my rating till you change a bit about it.

really good job on the first one. :) keep it up and you might just be a sig pro in no time.

[tre valentine]

Originally posted by Look
*still suggest you change something about that A ... it just resemble too much of O*


NO keep the AnArchy symbol :p its great it looks nothing like a O at all and i didnt the the last one looked like a O :p i didnt even notice the O around it the first time i seen it i had to look twice :sweat:
but no matter what KEEP the ANARCHY symbol:thumbsup:

[OmegaDrag]

I think u cut the heads out perfectly i love the background with the dragons (wait i like dragons thats why my name is OmegaDrag) It does look a lil transparent though but rather then that its great