Why does rank matter in a pt?

[ArcticZero]

I have to ask this cause im just getting started and it is confussing the hell out of me. I just hit lvl 11 lastnight.. and I have been joining more and more parties.. but I have been getting harrassed cause my rank is still 1.

I have not done the quests.. and frankly don't plan to do to many of them.. I hate the running around talking to people crap.. If i need to kill something fine.. but run to this person then run to that person takes to much time and I only have limited gaming time.

I have all spells up to my level.. the best gear around.. I use food.. I know how to manage my hate already.. I know how to bind and get away.. but someone wants to tell me im noobish cause I don't have a higher rank..


Does rank make you better then someone else.. i mean I have no clue here..

[Norelco]

No...

Not unless you plan on getting into PTs that form specifically for missions or other quests. But considering your current level I'd say those people are just full of shit.

[Cali]

I have never heard of people complaining people at lv11 even without subjob, for ranks...

But at higher lvl, like 30-ish, and your rank is still 1, you will really get looked down at...

[Nixles]

Rank should not matter to a party.
Tell them to sod off.

You will have to improve your rank, eventually, to kill the dragon to get rank 3, go up the tower to get rank 4, and then rank 5 and the air ship pass.
But since you're only level 11 now, there's no point in worrying.
Just continue to play the game well, and have fun.
:)

[Narru]

A PT with people all Rank 3 is more attractive than a PT with people all Rank 1 - plain and simple. I kinda look at it like this: every Rank level means that you've gotten a character to your Rank # x 10 levels. So a Rank 1 would have gotten some character to level 10, Rank 2 would have gotten some character to level 20, Rank 5 - level 50, etc...

Not very scientific, but a good general rule for me. But obviously, I won't make a judgement until I see you in action. If you have all your spells, all your gear, and eating food, I'd consider you a good player :) But looking in the /search menu, my first impressions come from the stats there: level of main/ level of sub (if you even have one)/ rank/ race. Then when you show up, I check gear for another set of impressions, etc.

[Dux]

At the moment I wouldn't worry too much about Rank.

However later on people will definately be looking at your Rank. Try to remember you are playing an on-line game with real people and these people will expect a certain level of commitment / involvment from the people they play with (you). Rank is one easily visible sign that you are "interested" in the game and take the time to stop the EXP grind and explore the game / plot/ other areas.

Many people resent having to acquire rank but I personally find the Rank mission to be of a far superior gaming experience than the standard EXP gaining. There is an excellent plot to FFXI and its nice to acquire more Rank as you feel like you have acheived something when you complete them.

If you do choose not to raise your Rank then expect a negative reaction that will increase and increase as you gain levels. In the extreme you may reach a point where nobody wants to party with you.

On a personal note, by level 40+ I was not inviting anybody below Rank 3 and now I look for Rank 4 as a minimum but 5 is preffered.

[CoalChamber]

At my level I prefer to invite people of Rank 5, so that they can airship and makes travel faster, doesn't really affect my decision at all since I never form PTs. >.> I have a set PT as of now. It's just my personal preference. Also, Being Rank 5 is so fun, I mean, you get to ride the airship so your mobility is drasticaly increased.

[Tokri]

As stated earlier, Rank becomes important at later levels, but not at lvl 11. When I form PTs, I am extremeley hesitant to choose people with low rank, especially melees. It just shows your experience in the game. For later ranks, you need parties to complete them, and it shows you are a skilled party member if you can do some of these ranks. It shows that you are a capable member for a party, basically.

[ArcticZero]

Ok I can agree that in the upper levels you need rank to show your party skills and ded to the game..

by 20 I will have rank 2 just not for a few more levels.. my time is better spent getting to a level im of better use to a party..

guess I need to get away from bastok it seems...

[Roldarin]

People need something to guide them as to the approximate skill a person has.

There aren't many visible factors. Basically subjob level, subjob choice, weapon choice, rank, what general armor you have.

People draw generalizations from those various things. Its a statistics thing. They are trying to reduce the risk of a crappy player. Does that mean they are always right? No. As a general rule I do anything I can to remove hints that I'm not a dedicated player. You don't have to do anything you don't want. But parties don't have to invite you either.

[Macht]

Not only does it show your experience, but people with higher Ranks are able to contribute more conquest wise. The lower your Rank is the shorter you are able to hold a signia, this isn't good because if you loose a signia fast and don't refresh it then each incurred death from you is actually a penalty against the nation.

This is part of the reason why on the Fairy server the Kolshushu (ms) Region can't be held for more then a week from a nation. Weather you have a signia or not your death means more points to the beastmen, so if you are able to sustain a signia longer then even if you die the kills you make afterwards will makeup for it to keep the Region under a nation's control.

That is why a player at rank 1 and lv. 11 who should be able to get rank 2 is looked down on.

[ArcticZero]

You think everyone to touch the game walks around and talks to every npc.. or reads from front to cover thru the instruction booklet.. I mean what you say is elitest bullshit.. its a game you need to give people some cushion to learn the game and whats going on.. if they get rank two by 20 seems fine to me.. I mean starting level people lvl right outside the city. how would your nation not control that area...

[Mikasa]

arcticzero,

to be quite honest, i agree with you 100%. I fucking hate all the running back and forth, talking bullshit.

But let me be frank, you have to do them. By the time you hit lvl 55~ and start going to altepa, you are REQUIRED to be able to use airship and have all the teleport crystals.

At that time, if you are not AT LEAST rank 5, you will be looked down on, and to be honest, you wont get many invites.

people don't want to deal with, "oh, im sorry, i cant use the airship" etc....

I'm just offering friendly advice, take it how you want.

but i recommend, bite the bullet and do them.

[Frarinalga]

Originally posted by ArcticZero
You think everyone to touch the game walks around and talks to every npc.. or reads from front to cover thru the instruction booklet.. I mean what you say is elitest bullshit.. its a game you need to give people some cushion to learn the game and whats going on.. if they get rank two by 20 seems fine to me.. I mean starting level people lvl right outside the city. how would your nation not control that area...
Are you bastokan?
Any race should be able to get rank 2 by level 10. In fact, any Bastokan should be able to get to mission 2-3 by level 10.
You can't afford to have a selfish attitude in this game. He isn't saying elitest bullshit, he's telling the truth. I'm only level 32 and people already pick people based on rank. Luckily I'm rank 4. It's rewarding to know that my rank is higher than most people at my level.

[Caspian]

I didnt get to rank 2 until just the other day. Im a lvl 12 thf and lvl 11 war. I've never had anyone in any of my pt's say a word to me about being lower in rank. They're right though, the higher your rank, the longer you can hold signet. I don't say this from the point of helping your country to take more land, but to point out that the longer you hold it the more crystals you can get w/o having to refresh it, as well as being able to gain conquest points faster (which can get you some pretty cool shit at no cost to you as far as gil goes). As far as the post about being able to do 2/2 before 10 or whatever was said, that is true, but im not worrying about working on 2/2 until im closer to being able to take on the dragon in 2/3 (which i was told would be about 20-25). I dont see a point in rushing 2/2 at my lvl. I'd have to find a party to go that far north in Wadi and its much better to pt in Valkurm at my lvl than Wadi, and doing it now doesnt really do anything for me at this point. I still wont be able to move up rank in atleast 10 lvl's and at this point it will cost me more time or money (if i buy it at the AH). Long story short I'm basically restating what most others have. It's nice if you can move it up quickly but dont worry about it at this lvl. I dont blame the higher lvl's for wanting someone at 5 just for the airship pass. The only other real benefit is having signet for longer when pt'ing in lands not controlled by your homeland.
Also, ask questions and ask for help from your friends on your server. I'm sure I've bugged the shit out of a few of my friends on Fairy, asking them how to do stuff or help me with things, but they are always more than happy to help.
BTW, Fetichism sucks. Actually one of my friends was a lvl 30 thf and he just ran around w/ me in Konshchtat killing quads to get what I needed.
Good luck though man.

[grunion]

tell them that you have a level 75 char and you are rank 10 in the other 2 nations and just changed your nationality to bastok to do the bastok missions for fun but you haven't started them yet. lol that will throw them for a loop.

many people do that - i will when i do 9-1 and 9-2. try

/sea rank 1 70< now and then and you'll see some level 70+ that are rank 1

[Macht]

Originally posted by ArcticZero
You think everyone to touch the game walks around and talks to every npc.. or reads from front to cover thru the instruction booklet.. I mean what you say is elitest bullshit.. its a game you need to give people some cushion to learn the game and whats going on.. if they get rank two by 20 seems fine to me.. I mean starting level people lvl right outside the city. how would your nation not control that area...

I'm sorry to tell you that ArticZero, but it's the truth. You don't even read the instruction booklet to learn that. Since they have the mentor system now, any player that choose to be a mentor should be able to tell you that simple fact. Yes this is a game it is an RPG and RPGs are founded on the missions and quests, not solely runing around and killing mindlessly without any plan to do any missions or quests. It's totally up to you to if you don't want to do the quest and get a free airship pass you can always pay the 500,000 gil (Just that seems like a waste to me).

The even more eye awakening truth, doing the missions and quests when you are able to does not make you an elites. It really just means you've spent the needed time learning your way around and where the npc are. The added effect of the signia's lasting longer with each rank is a bonus that is considered a lot when picking a party member.

[Mithrankittycat]

Rank doesn't mean anything.
Ka***ma san8 blm17/war8 valkurm

[Wrath]

Rank mattered to me just so I can get the airship pass, and since I have gotten Rank 5, the airpass has helped me tons.

:biggrin: @ rank 5

[Playtime]

Rank makes a huge difference later on in the game. I can promise you if your rank is low by 55+ your pt invites get cut drastically. A prime example of this was the other day when a pt member had to leave we were looking for a replacement there was 3 members our level seeking one was rank 7, 9, 3 but the rank 3 was laughed at when pt leader asked if he switched nations he said no he just didn't have much intrest in it. We had grabbed the 7 cause the 9 was seeking mission 9-1, 9-2.

Rank plays another huge part because rank 6 allows you to start zilart missions and only through completing zilart missions grants you access to Ru'ann gardens which is a very important place at the end game.

[LockeCole]

Originally posted by Macht
Not only does it show your experience, but people with higher Ranks are able to contribute more conquest wise. The lower your Rank is the shorter you are able to hold a signia, this isn't good because if you loose a signia fast and don't refresh it then each incurred death from you is actually a penalty against the nation.

This is part of the reason why on the Fairy server the Kolshushu (ms) Region can't be held for more then a week from a nation. Weather you have a signia or not your death means more points to the beastmen, so if you are able to sustain a signia longer then even if you die the kills you make afterwards will makeup for it to keep the Region under a nation's control.

That is why a player at rank 1 and lv. 11 who should be able to get rank 2 is looked down on.

You've got to be kidding me if you think people consider signa when looking at rank :spin:. Also I'm surprised that no one owns Kolshushu, since Onzozo has been packed to the brim lately (Lightning Bow's price dropped from 150k to 30k. . .). I think we'll be seeing Kolshushu getting owned more often now.

And I believe in using rank is a good indicator. While partying at Garlaige we had a rank 2 Paladin level 50. Firstly he went afk no notice and after 20-30 minutes we're like "Ok he's probably not coming back, let's leave him somewhere safe" cause some members wanted to go. You'd think by level 50 he would at least have the dem gate crystal (we were considering altep first, hmm)

[Narru]

Originally posted by ArcticZero
You think everyone to touch the game walks around and talks to every npc.. or reads from front to cover thru the instruction booklet.. I mean what you say is elitest bullshit.. its a game

Majority (not saying all) of times, rank is a very good reflection of the person behind the character. You're post just helped proved that... sorry to say.

[Straden]

Rank does mean something.
I can somewhat tell if such person will use their food, have all updated equips, use provoke, have WS macros for renkei, and so on by just looking at their Rank.
Cuz if you got rank 5, you ve been through most of basic game stuffs. But then ive met so many newbie rank 5s...
Anyway, I tend to invite JP first, and then fill up open spots with NA and in the order of rank if i have to. I'm sorry, so far it turned out that JP parties are "generally" so much faster for exp grinding than NA parties are. I hope someday this changes, but for now, there are so many newbie NAs and I'm sick of em.

[SorrowFool]

You say you don't have a lot of time to do the Missions in order to gain Rank, but other people don't have time for partying w/ bad players who don't know how to work w/ a group and will slow down their EXP. Rank can be thought of as a kind of insurance. Car insurance sees it as: The higher the age (to a certain point), the safer (more mature) the driver. Maybe the 16 year-old that just got their license will never be in an accident, but the insurance company will still charge them more, regardless. In a PT if a person is level 15 or higher and is still rank one, it brings the question of, "Why?" Maybe the Rank 1 player (16 year old driver) will be really good, but the PT (insurance campany) is still gonna be wary (charge higher rate) because they know a Rank 5 player (mature adult) probably has some experience and knows what their role is. Maybe the Rank 1 player is good... maybe he's not. Chances are the Rank 5 player is.

Plus, it is annoying in a PT when someone wants to stop the EXPing so they can go get their signet. If you are Rank 1, your signet is going to wear off 2 hours quicker the the Rank 3 in your group. (Dependent on the Rank of the nation they are from, of course)

Plus, more importantly than all of those things is the fact that the Missions can get really fun later on. I am only 25, and I hit rank 3 at level 20, but that was a very fun point in the game. A LOT of story is revealed through the Missions and add a different realm to the game. Grinding gets boring... often for me. So I enjoy the break from the grind to hit a few story points. Learning about the Shadow Lord and fighting dragons, and meeting the special characters from each nation brings a sense of adventure or something you don't get from grinding. Bringing down the dread dragon was extremely fun (even though I got cursed and died) and I would do it again if I had the opportunity. I am always looking for people trying to do 2-3 and will gladly join them.

[Seance]

I made the majority of my xp parties and I do look at rank (amongst other things) when choosing members. If I had to choose between a lvl14war/7mnk rank1 and a lvl14war/7mnk rank9 there would be no contest who I would pick. I'm only rank5 at the moment, but when I go back to the Dunes to level a different job , I make sure that all my equipment/foods are the best for what I have at that level and I usually bring armor/spells for the following levels as well. I've noticed that this holds more often with higher rank people as well. I hope you don't think I'm bragging, this is simply what I've observed. This doesn't mean that all rank5's are better than rank1's or rank2's. There's just a positive correlation between better players/equipment/skills with higher rank. To get your party invite rate up, I'd suggest that you do the missions when you can, and most importantly, have your search comment filled with info about you and your most important traits (your tnl, gear, etc.).

[Kagi]

After Rank 6, rank 7-10 is just for show.

[Xccoortri]

Personally if I'm leveling a low job and see a rank 5-10 I would rather invite him then a rank 1 because it shows he has some higher jobs and most likely is a lot more skilled and will have better equipment. This is a generalization but is mostly true.

[Crowzukin]

If you are mid to high level with low rank, that means you are either:

A) Inexperienced (i.e. not much /playtime under your belt)
B) Too lazy to do missions
C) Both.

If you want to get more invites and more respect, you should raise your Rank and prove that you are neither a n00b nor a lazy shit. Plus the access to the airship / Zilart missions / Dynamis is an added bonus.

[Thelps]

You think everyone to touch the game walks around and talks to every npc.. or reads from front to cover thru the instruction booklet.. I mean what you say is elitest bullshit.. its a game you need to give people some cushion to learn the game and whats going on.. if they get rank two by 20 seems fine to me.. I mean starting level people lvl right outside the city. how would your nation not control that area...

I think everyone in the game who DOESN'T walk around talking to every NPC can play however the hell they want. Just that I don't want them in my party, and if their Rank is 1 I won't invite on principle (seriously, every Rank 1 I partied with past level 15 has been a total embarassment). It's SO easy to get Rank 2 and 3 that there's no excuse. I can understand how people take ages to make the leap to Rank 4 (it actually requires some organization and skill) but 2 and 3 are cakewalks.

I'd suggest you get your ranks as quickly as you can do the missions. It opens up extra conquest equipment for cheap (just spend CPs) and you get a nice little payoff for every Rank you make. Also, it's a LOT more fun doing Rank missions than it is killing the same mob type over and over and then waiting for dead people, AFKers all the time like you do in exp parties.

[ArcticZero]

I see many of posts here are about people lvl 20+ or people with sub jobs.. My beef is with people that judge my character by my rank at lvl 11.

I mean it seems people don't have any dam manors or heart in this game. If I see someone doing something wrong or they ask a question.. I answer it or try to help them out. I don't jump on them cause they are a noob and doin't know shit about the game.

I have played many mmorpgs,, EQ, EQoA, SWG, PSO
and have never played with such a rude community.


I love to game.. and love ffxi.. but dam man people need to have a freakin heart and maybe try to help someone instead of stepping on them.

Cause I didn't know all this stuff about rank.. and no one bothered to ask or say anything just insult me for not being uber like they where.

[Raspberry Nova]

This site and Allakhazam and several other sites have nice mission walkthroughs to help you do them. Some of your fellow players might offer to help you too, if you tell them you're interested in raising your rank from 1 to 2, and so on.

To go from Rank 1 to Rank 2 you need to complete three missions (at least, that's how it works in Windy and Sandy, don't know about Bastok).

They're actually quite fun! There's cutscenes, you begin to learn the actual story of FFXI, and you get a nice reward at Rank 2 (1000 gil, Rank 2 raiting, your signet lasts longer, and -- well -- you're no longer Rank 1). =P

I just finished my missions for Rank 2 in Sandy the other night and it's already quite interesting. it's not just running around talking to npc's and such. There's combat in each mission so far, including a fun fight with three orcs at once in Sandy 1-3.

And, I dunno, it makes me feel a bit more involved with my city, taking on missions for Rank. As you raise your fame (quests) and rank (missions) the npc's start to treat you with more respect, too!

I'd look into it if I were you. You just might find what I found out: the missions are fun and a really nice change of pace!

[Legend]

One of the best topics I read as of yet, playing EQ, these quests/missions(so far) are more exciting and fun to do.

Originally posted by Macht

That is why a player at rank 1 and lv. 11 who should be able to get rank 2 is looked down on. [/B]

First off, I don't see why anyone would look down on a lvl 11 for anything(unless he was still wearing his lvl 1 gear, then something is up). That is the lvl range where you would expect people to be new and still learning.

But still agree to above post and others getting to at least rank 2 is easy for that lvl(im lvl 12 BTW and had the game since PS2 launch so I can relate), instead of using the little time you have to xp(which cant be THAT little most PT's im sure would like to group at least an hour, common courtesy if your going to group at least have an hour maybe more free time so you wont be wasting their time) Use one of them time slots to do a mission, then you dont have to worry about it, for a while.

I know you feel alot of people are bashing you which I do agree on your lvl 11 only rank 1 is not a big deal but only telling you this in the long run, you will almost have no choice if you want all the nice equipment in the future. That or either farm for tunar which may take longer to do.

Just don't get caught up in this xp race which many fall under, next thing you know your lvl 40 with only 5k to your name and cant get the the spells/gear you want.

Take a break from the grind, so many things to do you may even find a few good "loyal" friends on the way(my main buds I met through fishing, questing etc.)

[Elsurion]

Originally posted by ArcticZero

I have played many mmorpgs,, EQ, EQoA, SWG, PSO
and have never played with such a rude community.


That's abolutly not rude in any case, it's just the truth. We wanna see, that you're interested in more then only lv grind.

But i agree, you can wait to lv15 to do rank2 ,lv25 to do rank3, lv36 to do rank4, lv45 to do rank5 etc.

i took the x5 because you've getting less aggro from the surounding mob and you can do it with a single 6member pt. You have enough chances to prove yourself as a Alliance Leader, take the eco quest. I did this as AL and i hated it, it gave me headache....

I do think Rank6 to do with lv55 is hard stuff, but since you then have to the genkais i wouldn't care about this if it is hard or not ;)

And when you have your supjob abbility, just keep your sup up to date.

[dagaroth]

Originally posted by Frarinalga

Are you bastokan?
Any race should be able to get rank 2 by level 10. In fact, any Bastokan should be able to get to mission 2-3 by level 10.
You can't afford to have a selfish attitude in this game. He isn't saying elitest bullshit, he's telling the truth. I'm only level 32 and people already pick people based on rank. Luckily I'm rank 4. It's rewarding to know that my rank is higher than most people at my level.


u cant do the emissary mission at lvl 10 LMFAO

[Macht]

Just like everyone here as posted as to why rank is important is all the reasons why higher rank counts. I myself had gotten rank 2 at lv. 8, that was when I didn't know much about it. All I did was ask and I got all the info I needed. I completed rank 3 at lv. 20, rank 4 at lv. 28 (Was a blast traveling with those 18 players to do that, and a great opportunity to skill up), rank 5 at lv. 32.

It really isn't that hard, out of the Quests/Missions the Missions have to be the easiest out of everything to do. Every Mission starts in the same area so you aren't on this hunt to find were to start the mission. When you do start the mission they'll tell you almost flat out were to head, the first 5 missions are basically to get the story started and to help you learn the area or learn how to locate what you need.

You don't have to know anything in the manual for this, you don't have to talk to tons of npcs to figure out the missions. The only real excuse that you don't do them is because you're more intrested in only gaining exp and don't care a shred about the story or other aspects of the game. Out of my own personal experience of leveling a lv. 10 job over 18 or how ever many the max number of jobs there are, when you got a player that is to impatient to want exp and get leveled fast or end up in a 2 leader situation party you end up dying very easily.

Again out of my experience these players that only care about exp or are always trying to take leadership away creating the 2 leader situation have always been Rank 1. Just last night I had a Rank 1 player doing exactly this, in the end he left our party on his own spent the next 4hrs looking for a party while after he left our party had a better harmony and we got 3 levels almost 4 easily (I only had 200 exp left to be 4 levels that night for me).

So really not only is Rank helping conquest wise, but it's somewhat of an idicator of the person's themself. So really if you don't care about your own character to spend that time why should you expect anyone else to care about your character?