For the record: Do Double and Triple Attack stack?

[Spider-Dan]

It seems like there is a segment of the FFXI community that seriously believes that Double Attack and Triple Attack can stack on one combat round, giving you 4, 5, or 6 hits at once (it depends on who you talk to; nobody can even agree on how many hits it stacks for).

I've heard many high level THFs say that it does not work, but I'd like to get some responses in here as a sort of "testimonial" thread.

Your participation is greatly appreciated.

[Disturbed]

do you mean for example if you do a double attack, one of the attacks could do a triple attack?

i don't think it works like that, but even if it did you couldn't really tell, because after a triple attack, a regular attack hits right after it, as tho you just did 2 doubles in a row


it's possible i guess, but i doubt it since as thf/war i don't own as much as i should if that was the case XD

[Vertigo]

If you get a triple attack, and then a double attack in the process of that - it cancels eachother out (I think) and vica versa. Sometimes however the timing is right and you can really hit really fast, but that's rare. You hit 6 times if you triple with dual wield, that > the rare occasion you hit more with war sub.

I've been THF/WAR uptil lvl 57, but now I'm going to switch for nin. In my opinion:lvl 1/54: THF/WAR
lvl 54/up: THF/NIN



Why?

WAR:
Provoke - very handy at early levels till you reach Garlaige. You help out when needed and save a mage =)

Berserk - very handy overall, the extra damage you do is nice.. one of the best things :D

Shield - Pretty handy at times, if you're rich enough equipping a +dmg shield is sweet.

Double Attack - very cute from 50-54, but imo from that point on, if you compare it, it's not as good as just triple alone with dual wield.

NIN:
Dual wield - just awesome, the thieves have the ability to get +6 agi and +6 dex by just using lust/greed / accuracy bonus -> REALLY GOOD. Combine that with the point that triple attack makes you hit 6!! times, and that you get 15% less delay at lvl 25.

Utsusemi - for some parts of vanadiel its a must have as a puller, or else you lose a lot of hp while pulling. For example the ~59/60 lvling spot Valley of Sorrows. Even though it costs some, it's just damn awesome to have, and I mean that =)

Triple Attack - hit 6 times... yes,please.

Higher agi/dex

[Caitsith]

No they do stack, ive seen a thf/war get triple-double-triple and he attacked for like 30 secs straight. They are seperate abilities and they do link together

[Caitsith]

Also with triple u still onl hit 3 times even with ninja, its accutally 4 but the last is a normal hit cause the 3 take uo ur delay time.

[ninvampire]

The way that I see it, is that even if they do activate at the same time, you'd still receive the same effect as a triple attack.

[Vertigo]

In one way or the other they cancel eachother out, I just havent really bothered to look in to the details.

[Spider-Dan]

Originally posted by Caitsith
No they do stack, ive seen a thf/war get triple-double-triple and he attacked for like 30 secs straight. They are seperate abilities and they do link together

When you trigger 3A, the delay timer for your next attack keeps running. Your next combat round should almost immediately after your 3A is done.

This is why I find it hard to believe that it's possible (or even useful) for 2A+3A to stack (meaning, 5 hits or more triggered off of one combat round). It would actually DELAY your next round if you're using a dagger.

[Hisdon]

They don't stack, but you could do like...get a triple then the hit right after your triple is done, get a double meaning it looked like they stacked, but they really didn't. I've seen THF/WAR's get two triples in a row also

[Novac]

I don't care what people say about how much nin rocks or how much war sucks.

When I got 3A, I gain TP 2x faster than any other melee class alive except a Sam. I did 2 VB in one combat back to back. That's about 200% in 2:30 when a bard is present.

Of course, I also have sniper ring + lifebelt and I'm a mithra so I hit VERY often with a bard.

At 55, I have 337 with berserk + mithkabob. And 281 without berserk. I trick/sneak with a 21 dam weapon too.

When I hit 60 with dancing edge (when ATK is way more important than dex/agi), I can do crazy damage with berserk on.

[Vertigo]

I have moved from THF/WAR to THF/NIN in the last few weeks. Yesterday was my first party as a THF/NIN, and I must say that it felt awesome - and better than warrior.

I think that overall I did more damage than normally, gained TP faster, and took a lot less damage (hail utsusemi). At lvl 60 with lust/greed I should be very very strong, as well.

[PhoR]

well here's an exercise to help you to believe what i'm about to tell you.
Use your thf55+/war25+, get a weapon with high delay (i used oak cudgel (267 delay)). Use it for a while against the same mobs you have been fighting (heh, you'll have to get an understanding party to help you as I did)

you will come to the same conclusion I have:
they do NOT stack. you will clearly see delays between triple and double procs (whereas with low delay dagger, it may have seemed like 5 or 6 hits, you can now tell it is a triple proc followed by a double or triple proc on next attack round)
when you're using a low delay dagger, you can put forth a constant stream of hits, but this happens from multiple attack rounds flowing together, not from triple attack and double attack stacking together. don't believe me? use a high delay weapon, you will see for yourself.

one more myth is that you can get a double or triple proc from the extra hits from a previous double or triple proc. IE. you get a 3A, and on the third hit, you trigger another 3A, giving you 5 hits total. DOESN'T HAPPEN. you can only trigger double or triple attack on the origional attack.

don't believe me? try it for yourself with a high delay weapon.

/em wonders how many more of these threads he will have to post this same answer onto :)

hope that helps :)

[Spider-Dan]

Also, another way to verify it is to look at TP.

If they can stack, at some point THF/WAR would gain 20% TP or more in one round. (4+ hits)

[goudaba]

Anyway, even If I'm not a High enough lv THF, I'm sure SE didn't made those stack because of possibility of being a machinegun attacker. Just think : 3A, 2A on second hit, 3A on first hit, 2A on second hit... Just hitting non-stop with no delay at all except to shot the slash animation.
Ok, chances are small, but exists.

[Zepp3lin]

Heh... why not?

They made the kraken club did they not?