WS Nerf

[Sabre]

Fears are true...Guillotine is offically nerfed. I do feel bad for DRGs now since they got most of the shaft. Anyway, I'm disappointed that I didn't even get to try it out with the TP return. Sad... :(

[Mikasa]

WHAT!?!?

I havent been able to get on yet, what the fuck did they do to it?

[Arli]

Um, yeah they just put a nail in the coffin of multi-hit WS. and I quote: An issue concerning the accumulation of TP with weapon skills that consist of multiple strikes (i.e. Combo, Penta Thrust, etc.) has been corrected.
TP will be accumulated as usual for that weapon type on the first strike (first two strikes for hand-to-hand attacks or when wielding two weapons), with each subsequent strike accumulating 1 TP.
Accordingly, enemies who are the targets of multiple-strike weapon skills will only gain TP from the first strike (first two strikes for hand-to-hand attacks or when wielding two weapons).
Also, all elemental weapon skills, except for Starlight and Moonlight (which affect only the wielder or party members), will now accumulate TP when used.

Full patch notes are here:

http://www.playonline.com/comnewsus/200404226037.html

[Ednoon]

got 15% tp retrun on a 955 guillotine. assuming it was 4/4 Guillotine 12.5 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 15.5 :angel:

[willum]

Haha this is my luck the day after I got to level 30 with thief they nerfed yokodama. Now I get to 60 and they nerf guilo. :eek:

[Midou]

i suppose at 65+ when using CR/SS to chain its not a huge issue, unless of course you miss the first swing and only get 1TP for the 2nd hit, but its not a giant TP loss for a 2hit WS if both hits land, 25 before opposed to 13.5 now. partying with RNGs is going to be a little rough now though. of course farming with guillo is going to be slowed down a lot.. but my real concern here is the maat fight post-4/21 update. anybody have any suggestions?

[Ednoon]

Guillotine is not too godly WS after 66, you dont use it that much in xp PT so this nerf is pretty much for Ballista event and big nerf on Maat fight.
Spinning Slash > Cross Reaper so think maybe use Spinning Slash at the start then switch to Scythe on Maat fight?:eek:

[tfung]

I haven't tried to use an icarus wing before... but is it possible to self renkei with it? ie. WS, use icarus wing, WS, use icarus wing, WS, etc.... granked it'll be a very expensive fight... but can it be done since the description of icarus wing says repeated use isn't recommended....

[Mikasa]

man, thats fucking bullshit.

well, at least i'm able to say i've done a 1000 guillotine and got 50% TP back.

i feel sorry for the people who never got to do this >.<


after the game being out for 2 years, they decide to nerf this.....

why not nerf the BLM spells, no, lets nerf melee damagers. It's fucking hard enough to get a party as it is.

stupid square.

[Midou]

DRG friend of mine did his Maat fight tonight and won with the TP nerf, so maybe it's not as bad as the implications make it seem. guess nobody will really know till somebody fights him and tells everyone how it went.

edit/ theres a timer on using icarus wings. i'm not exactly sure what it is but you can't use them back-to-back-to-back.

[Crowzukin]

The reuse timer on the Icarus Wing is extremely long. I didn't time it but it's like 1 or 2 hours or something.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

that suck :(
damn square
farming will be harder now

[Nanila]

Maat should be easier now IMO. You have to remember, this affects him as well. That's why after he did asuran fists, he could just keep doing it over and over, he got so much TP back. Now he won't be able to spam Asuran fists 5 times in a row non-stop. Least I hope so :rolleyes:

[kazthegun]

farming efficiency just went down 50% for drks post-60. other than that, we got fucked just about as much as every other melee damage dealer, except for drgs. there's actually some decent discussion going on in their job forum.

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=65

[Hisdon]

it's NOT THAT BAD FOR DRK! >.> we arn't dead, Guillotine was only used in exp pts for 5 lvls, DRG had nothing but penta.

Guillotine is more useful when stacked with Trick Attack or Souleater anyways, which have cool downs. This means instead of having that temptation to use another guillo when we had 100 TP back and still had 30 secs on Trick Attack, instead of going we just have to wait for that 30 secs, which means more TP will be in our grasp, which means a little more dmg.

Unlike Penta, Guillotine works nicely into Fragmentation, we had to wait on our renkei partner anyways =/

Also, this gives us more chances to use our GS's 60-66. People won't be pissed now cause the TP return will be like a difference of 3 instead of 36.

Guillotine's dmg wasn't effected, only the TP return...

we'll live, but it'll be missed. DRG on the other hand, is dead =(

[Cloud Tiamat]

Originally posted by Mikasa
man, thats fucking bullshit.

well, at least i'm able to say i've done a 1000 guillotine and got 50% TP back.

i feel sorry for the people who never got to do this >.<


after the game being out for 2 years, they decide to nerf this.....

why not nerf the BLM spells, no, lets nerf melee damagers. It's fucking hard enough to get a party as it is.

stupid square.

That kind of shallow outlook is sad. So you need to be able to do Penta Thrust & Guilotine to enjoy the game? Maybe you should just quit then....

And if you have a hard time getting parties....maybe you should've stopped trying to spam multi-hit WS's in the first place.

As for having a harder time farming: Suck it up; now you have work just as hard as the rest of us.

[Mikasa]

Originally posted by Cloud Tiamat


That kind of shallow outlook is sad. So you need to be able to do Penta Thrust & Guilotine to enjoy the game? Maybe you should just quit then....

And if you have a hard time getting parties....maybe you should've stopped trying to spam multi-hit WS's in the first place.

As for having a harder time farming: Suck it up; now you have work just as hard as the rest of us.

ok, you're an absolute retard.

#1. you're a BLM, you put your flag up for 5 mins and you have a party.

#2. one of your spells cost 50k and you think you're hard done by.


until you have to wait days on days for an invite, unless you make your own (which is not that bad really, im just making a point) then dont say anything.

i'd love to hear what you'd say if they made your ancient magic completely suck. i reckon you'd be singing a different tune than
'suck it up, now you have to work as hard as the rest of us'

dumbass

[Elsurion]

Now, cool down.

And i agree with Tiamat, if you need as DRK the spamming WS, then you should thinking about what you doing wrong in your partyplay. I invite a DRK not to spam, I invite him for DMG and SK/MB.

And if you are a good DRK you'll get your partys. And a DRK gets his party still faster then a THF.

And for the DRG, well sorry for them but they weren't ever on my party wish list, beacuse the dragon is always in the way. Not their fault but still there. And i do need space to move, and if the dragon is behind the mob or still next to it, i can't go exactly behind it.

[Xephoid]

It's the farming that sucks badly now. Same work for half of the pay.

BLM can train 30 mobs and -ga them to death. DRK can't do that, spinning scythe sucks ass, and do pitaful damage.

Basically they shafted all the melee farmers. :mad:

[Mithrael]

You forgot to mention that Spinning Scythe will consistently miss 1/3 of the mobs surrounding you.

[Kraid]

They say that people were taking advantage of Asura fists with weapons with 999 delay.So why did they nerf all multihit ws one would say. Simple they took advantage of a situation and explioted it to put yet another effective =timesink= into the game.

1.Triples farming time =Mega Time Sink=
2.Slows leveling down from 60+
3.Makes people take up crafts to substitute farming=TIme sink=

same goes with level limit breaks and Af armor quests =Timesink=
as an example