If this a good party setup?

[Kinean]

Me and my friends are planning on a perma party, and I was thinking, what would be better, RNG/THF or DRK/whatever?

The setup right now is...

PLD/WAR (me... again...)
RNG/THF
DRG/something
WHM/something
BLM/something
RDM/something

I don't know, I haven't grouped with many RNGs before, and I just favor DRKs over RNGs. And the person playing DRG isn't gonna change, so that can't be done... But is RNG and DRG good enough damage dealers? Or am I just ignorant?

[Tomoh]

Rangers are great in a PT! Your set PT looks great. If you could change WHM for a BRD, it would be even better.

[Kinean]

Hehe, like I said, I've never really partied with rangers that much so I was a bit skeptical about having no DRK in my party haha.

And was that a typo... BRD for WHM? Don't you mean RDM maybe? hehe

[Tan'o]

And was that a typo... BRD for WHM? Don't you mean RDM maybe? hehe

It would probably be fine because with two refresh acting(BRD+RDM) the healing wouldn't be that much of a chore for the RDM and if the BLM has a WHM sub(probably) then most of your healing is taken care of. You'll only be in trouble if you, the PLD, has trouble managing hate or the RNG goes trigger happy.

[Deimos11]

I would take a bard over a whm anyday...but I think we have about 1 bard from level 50-60 on our server, so that isn't gonna happen. If you can find one, be happy. Last night we got a JP bard, I think we made about 10k in 2-3 hours on robber crabs. We only stopped twice, and that was for potty breaks and food.

[Tan'o]

Originally posted by Deimos11
I would take a bard over a whm anyday...but I think we have about 1 bard from level 50-60 on our server, so that isn't gonna happen. If you can find one, be happy. Last night we got a JP bard, I think we made about 10k in 2-3 hours on robber crabs. We only stopped twice, and that was for potty breaks and food.

My point exactly. WHM heals but the Bard just makes your PT so much more efficient and reduces downtime, especially when the mages have to regen mp by healing.

[Artfuldodger]

PT below 40 > no rdm
PT below 56 > no whm
PT 56-75 whm is a must
brd is rare/ex , have brd = superb PT
rng before get sidewinder = suck
drk after 60 = God, 1-60 suck
thf after 65 = weak, hard to find PT
tanker ( nin , pld , war ) cant control hate = suck
blm nuker only = suck
drg, mnk = so so, no comment
sam = 30-50 God
bst = money $_$

ps. fuidama not effect much on rng
rng/war , /nin only


:sweat:

[yzfr6]

best party i ever been in

pld/war
drk/wr
blm/whm
blm/whm
brd/whm
rdm/something

hardly ever any downtime. chaining 200+ per kill up to 4 chains killing beetles in garlaige.

[Loial]

I've had ridiculous success in a PLD SMN BRD RDM RNG DRK group. I think I calculated that we broke 4000 exp/hr and sustained it for at least 3 hours. We had no downtime. We were hitting chain #5 all the time, but then the puller couldn't find anything left to kill.

My current Static PT is PLD SMN BRD RNG DRK WAR. I was quite surprised with dmg that a WAR doles out. I miss the RDM though :(

I don't know when RNG get sidewinder, but at least from 40-47, this RNG does godlike dmg and is a flawless puller.

It is funny that I see a lot of static PT threads these days. I guess a lot of people started to realize that if you don't make your own party, you get maybe 1 good party for every 5 bad.

I used to claim that the chances of 6 good players coming together was like the aligning of the planets. You are MUCH better off getting a group that may take longer to set up, and you may have to wait for the last guy to get off afk... than just slapping together 6 people and try and hunt.

I used to say "Oh, well at least we are getting xp." Then, after a string of idiot group members, I've decided that if the group isn't working because of idiots...and you can't replace them because no one is looking for a group... just logoff.

[BrotherRaven]

My static PT is:

PLD/WAR
WAR/SAM
DRK/WAR
BRD/WHM
RDM/WHM
BLM/SMN


In an ideal setup, we make about 5k~6k per hour. But as we level in a particular place, the exp goes down to about 4k an hour.

There are several substitues you could make,
- BLM/WHM would give some more curing power but you lose Blinkaga ever 3 creatures (Garuda summon).
- RNG/NIN is of course great dmg dealer that could replace a DRK/WAR. You could always settle for another dmg dealer but RNG/NIN DRK/WAR WAR/SAM are the premier 3 to choose from.

[Mithrankittycat]

Whm isn't a must, even up to 66.
If you're going to lock yourself in a set party, get a bard or don't bother.

[grunion]

Originally posted by Artfuldodger
bst = money $_$



what did you mean by that??

[voodoo]

rng before get sidewinder = suck

haha, you obviously knownothing about rng.


PLD/WAR (me... again...)
RNG/THF
DRG/something
WHM/something
BLM/something
RDM/something


RNG/THF sucks.. make them sub WAR or NIN and they'll rock so much harder.

[Kagi]

Yes BRD > WHM. That set up looks really good, just need a BRD to make it even better. ^^ If your RNG is good damage isn't a problem.

[Throgar]

the party setup i like most looks like this:

nin/war <- tank
thf/nin <- fuidamas the nin/war at start and if necessary
whm/blm <- healing
drk/thf <- doing damage (fuidama too later)
rdm/xxx <- refresh and stuff

last spot for blm or another melee

[Artfuldodger]

ehh...Do i miss sth bout rng ?

juz me to think rng without sidewinder ( lv < 55 i guess ) weak ?

as my own experinces, PT range 30-60 thf is an important role in PT since they can fuidama
then talking about renkei thf alway close renkei behind tanker with fuidama+viper that means subtank who starts 1st WS must
take a mob turn to him, my point is if rng can't deal more dmg
mob wont turn to them , how thf fuidama ? or juz behind rng ?
thats mean rng gonna die....however some rng might have their own tactics, bla bla blaa~ juz my own experiences :P

ps. rng also need brd since sidewinder misses the target so many time, prelude can help a lot ^-^

ps2. the fastest PT i ve ever seen is pld rng rng brd rdm whm ( or blm )

ps3. bst = money $_$ ......try to play it juz for BC40 u gonna rich $$$

[TAsunder]

as to dark knight versus ranger, there just is not enough information to say. i personally believe that a truly great ranger would be a better asset to your party than a truly great dark knight, but it certainly is not clear cut.

i'd say the big asset of a ranger is being better able to mange his own enmity. it's true a dark knight doesn't always have to use soul eater or last resort, and can time those appropriately, but a ranger has very solid control over their enmity. if they are getting too much, they just don't shoot as often. the closest thing for a dark knight would be to cancel food effects or remove equipment.

the other thing is that a ranger is just an unbelievably good puller if they do things right. the combination of wide scan and camouflage is invaluable.

on the flip side, the dark knight debuffs are often highly praised. while the ranger can do some debuffs with bolts, i am not sure how effective they are compared to a dark knight debuffs. someone with more experience perhaps could say.