Gear questions

[Rava]

Reading through the forum I've come to the very obvious realization that for ninja we need to focus on evasion. What I'm unclear about is should we favor evasion over def stats? What I mean is if I have at some lvl a gi that gives me + evasion and now am of the lvl for a new gi that doesn't have +evasion but higher def, wich should i choose? What slots can we sacrifice a little evasion for +atk or accuracy(should we even bother with accuracy or dex equipment?).

Basically, I'm very much in agreement with the thread started on ninja dmg output. I'd like to gear for an offensively competent (read: capable, NOT all out atk) ninja to help hold hate. I'm still pretty young and squanderring for gil(prays that gardenning will aliviate this burden some), but I am ready for campfesting.

[Rava]

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[ZQM]

:p

Are you pre or post Ni?

Before you get Ni, Defense > Evasion. Unless you already have really high evasion, it's not going to help much. After Ni though, defense doesn't really matter at all and you want all evasion.

Atleast, that's to my knowledge of post Ni. I'm only 33 at the moment.

[Aldo]

Should be in this order, evasion then HP+. Evasion is important because its impossible to use ichi and ni without having no shadow image at one point. only exception of gear i make is for ochido's kote (eva-5) because that attack+ is rather significant, i switch to AF gloves at 60, then upgrade to hate+ eva+ kote, then the eva+10 att+ kote at 72 (same with boots). chest AF is fine, byrnie is bit of a waste, i think dual swing+ is more important than extra hp and attack, of course scorpio harness is ideal. acessories rings unfortunately the best hp+ ones are hard to get. belt survival belt lasts from lv38 till 75. necklace spike necklace at first then theres that mp+ eva+ torque then the good one is evasion torque at lv60s with hp and eva+. earrings dodge earrings are fine at lv29-75 but there are also some earrings that give eva+4 (only 1 more point) but at a att deduction, your choice. headpiece emperors hairpin is fine forever, but optical hat would be ideal, it has no HP-, perhaps an HQ headband could be better as well. cape, bat cape is fine but the fenrir cape is also good it gives defence+10 and hate+3 depending on if its night or day - both good for a tank. there is also some very nice hp+ agi+ equips for mnk/nin/sam but they are aquired from tulia NMs.

[Navia]

I agree with aldo, i'm 5k xp from getting utstusemi:Ni and by far the biggest help has been stacking on the +evasion (+22 here, but take -5 from wearing kote) and +hp (I wear mithra rse chest (+32hp) instead of federation sitabaki(+1vit +3evasion), and rse shoes +16hp).
Tanking gayla bats in behemoths dominion, the extra hps made the difference between me surviving almost 400 point jetstreams or kissing the dirt (my max hp is 599) :sweat:

Having only ichi means you will eat a few monster ws with your blink down - I didn't drop my evasion earrings for +hp ones or wear something like a bomb ring, but you could take it that far if you are a taru i guess. You can also use crab or other food with +defense%, to ease the damage you take when you do get hit as well.

[Rava]

thank you so much for the great replies. helps me out a whole lot and is just what i was looking for. i'm right now a lvl 25 mithra monk / almost 26 (monk was highest lvl so decided to get it to 30 to get job then get it to dual wield to sub it for war to get war to 30 to sub it for ninja ^ ^ lol). this wll help me out alot planning what gear to keep and what not from monk ^ ^. is the +5 evasion circluit ok for a head piece that you quest in windurst?

[Lil Dreamer]

NINs can't equip that circlet u speak of

[Navia]

The only headpiece before emp hairpin that adds more than +1 evasion is a level 14 3def +3evasion headband that can be used by all jobs.
Beetle headgear+1 is level 21 10def 1evasion -3ice, not a bad item but I didn't care for the look and used the headband until I got my hairpin.

[Rava]

argh, you're right >< . blast, and that would be a sweet circlet until hairpin to :mad: ....ah well.

[Burzum]

I think u also have to consider you race... Being Galka (Lost of Hp's already at 468 at 24) my main concern is +eva and +dex/agi I'm not sure if the Kote's are worthwhile till I get access to Ni as I need all the misses I can get while being forced to use Ichi... So I see Kote as a higher lvl upgrade when you can one better finance yourself and 2 have access to more +eva gear to compensate for the -5 eva from gloves.


Although not having a higher lvl job to farm with... makes me a little more concerned for powders... I'm also of the opinion that investing in high +eva items will pay for themselves in powders saved... hence why I bought Hairpin at 24 blowing me powder nest egg... :) And I'm now farming for powders to continue lvling :)

[Rava]

i finally hit ninja :confused: !!!

i must say though, this is one of the best class communities :D i love you guys!

my ninja is a mithra, so i'm wonderring at about how much +evade would be a good stopping point and then i can start adding some +Atk. i'm thinking around +20 evade should be good, especially with the built in mithra agi. then to a little +dex to help my already pretty crazy dex and then to atk :D

i'm sure there ar egaping holes in my line of thinking so any input would be greatly appreciated.

[Masenken]

wow, my first post!

Umm, I'm currently a lvl 40 nin/20 war elvaan, and I've done a fair share of tanking and just sitting in the back row beating on things.

When I first started I wasn't exactly too sure what I wanted equipmentwise, but I knew anything +eva would be prime. However, may of the things I wanted like the emperor's hairpin (350k) or dodge earrings(30k a piece) were just out of my reach. Right now i have mythril earrings, survival belt, and a nomad's mantle.

And what some of the guys above said was right, tanking befor Ni is hard. I tried to let Blade: Retsu tack on some misses for me since it adds paralysis, and for the most part it worked.

As of now I'm currently working out the bugs of past mistakes armor wise and working on 2 sets. One for tanking, and one for sitting in the back row/farming

When tanking for an elvaan or galka even, lots and lots of evasion is a must, thoug when I'm in the back row a few blinks will alleviate me of any stray attacks that may fall upon me, which makes me want to sacrifice some eva for more str and att up equips. Of course accuracy is an issue too for my race which I plan to alleviate with a life belt at 48.

I dunno... I still got some bugs to work out, let me know what you guys think

[Navia]

Yes about 20 evade is good to aim for, some good stuff to be wearing by 30ish:

Dodge earring x2 (+6evade)
lizzy boot (3dex 3agi)
lev 24 - Nomad Mantle (+3evasion, 1 agi)
lev 24 - Emp Hairpin( +10evasion , 3agi)
lev 25 - Federation Gi( +3 evasion)
lev 25 - Kingdom Trousers ( +3evasion )

+2agi converts to 1 evasion as well.

This frees up neck/ring/hand/waist/weapon slots to get your +dex/accuracy/attack. You need to land attacks consistently for decent damage to keep the monster interested in hitting only you instead of the drk with the big scythe or the ranger using good arrows.
I recommend only using 1 katana (+1 version, main hand), with the other hand equipping a +accuracy +attack sword or dagger weapon like bastokian sword, or federation/windhurstian kuhkri when you are of sufficient level.

2 sword/dagger with +acc/+atk is really nice once you cap katana skill for level, but what you use mainhand partly depends on the skillchain.

[Masenken]

Hmm.. my gear is currently as follows

Head: dodge headband +3 eva
Neck: Spike Necklace +3 dex and agi -6 mnd
Body: Magna Jerkin +24 hp +1 dex and agi
Waist: Survival Belt +17 hp +5 eva
Arms: Ryl Mufflers acc +2
Legs: Ryl uhh. pants +1 dex and agi
Feet: ryl sollerets +1 agi
Ears: mythril earrings til I can get dodge earrings
Rings: sandy ring +1 str and mnd and sardonyx ring +1 str +3 fire res

This gear is leaned more towards my attack gear, for when I'm not tanking, I still have a +15 to evasion +6 to str and dex and a +2 to agi lol

Currently working on camping the emperor and trying to afford Ochiudo's Kote (350-400k) and a survival belt (100k) before long. Accu and Eva are my main concern for when I tank and str and accu are for when I'm sitting in the back row. If I can keep my static I won't have to tank, but if it breaks up then yes, I'll be burning my Utsusemi like a mofo as I plow my way to lvl 50 possibly within 4 days if I go hardcore about it.

Oh yeah, and the 60k to get a pair of dodge earring, can't forget those lol

[Masenken]

oh yeah... I got my af katana too the delay is horrid, but I like the damage

Forgot the names of them but one has +2 str and -1 dex and the other being the total opposite.

As for throwing... I slacked in that department, only lvl 15 throwing skill and counting. I got a chakram to play with til I finally cap it.

Meh, I likes the damage output regardless

[Cloak]

I generally focus on DEX, Accuracy and Attack items.

[Masenken]

My focus so far, has gone to str and dex and accu. I have a +15 to evasion right now and it'll probably sit there til I get a scorpion harness (7 mil in our server ; ;)

As lvls progress I don't see much change coming in what I got now. All the things I mentioned I wanted won't make much change in my overall stats except I'll have plus ten more accuracy with a lifebelt which, if I tank, will help me keep hate like a mofo.

Plus str on an elvaan might sound rediculous, but I like the results they've brought.

[Navia]

I got 2 more levels tonight, got my jujitsu gi on and absolutely loving the +accuracy on the gi combined with my dex. Beetles with evasion boost aren't a problem to hit at all.
The gi is totally worth the 100k i spent on it, I can understand why theres never more than 1 in the AH.

I'm still wearing the federation trousers even though the 14def is pretty sad, the 3evasion and 1vit is helplful. The level 38 sitabaki with 8more def and 1dex 1agi don't seem worth the loss in evade.
Anyways, i've been toying with the idea of wearng a sniper ring, and balancing the loss in def with an aegis ring (lev38 +5def) until I could wear a phalanx on the other finger at 50.

Its a bit crazy but i'm doing well at not taking a scratch tanking so maybe 2snipers wouldnt be bad, the ability to land quick hits consistently dual wielding really help hold hate. The +range acc wouldn't go to waste either on the rings when you throw some stars to keep the hate lock on you solid.

So much cool stuff to buy, time to get to work gilfarming again ^^

[Eden]

Well, my ninja is still at level 21 :sweat: I'm planning on leveling again once I get all of my gear... this is what I'm getting... :spin: = have it / :dead: = need it...
Emperor Hairpin - :dead:
Spike Necklace - :spin:
Federation Gi - :spin:
Federation Tekko - :spin:
Warrior's Belt +1 - :spin:
Kingdom Trousers - :spin:
Leaping Boots - :dead:
Nomad's Mantle +1 - :rolleyes: (Have the money but waiting for one to show up at the AH...)
Balance Ring +1 - :spin:
Reflex Ring +1 - :spin:
I still have to look into what weapons and earrings I'm getting, but I'm pretty sure I'll get a few +1 katanas and a federation dagger :biggrin:

[Masenken]

I made lvl 41 today, real close to 42. I also started lvling with my static group which all consists of member of my LS. Being with them let me concentrate on my more physical side. Doing 50ish damage per swing just looked nice lol

My attack armor seems to be living up to my expectations as well, the +12 str with food and +6 dex make for some dual slashing mayhem and with a bard buffing my accu even more it's making it hard even for the pld to dominate the hatred :P

My weapon skills are starting to do 200+ damage without any elemental weakening and overall I just feel good about the equipment I have so far.

Now all I need is to restock on ninja tools so that my arsenal can once again be at it's near max (near, cause mt throwing skill isn't anywhere near capped :( )

if possible I'm going to try to keep most of my gear with the stats I have no in those ranges. possibly getting better as my lvls progress. I don't see any downhill struggle going on equipmentwise and as long as my pt stays together I can further explore what it's like outside the tanking arena.

[intranet69]

Just a quick question..^^;
Yesterday, i saw a Lv33 ninja holding two different ex/rare katana. they have the exactualy opposite stats on each of them...are they the AF katanas? I thought you dont get them until lv 42..^^;

Thank you for ur inputs _(_ _)_

[Masenken]

yes, those are the AF1 set, you can equip them right at 40, that's what I'm using now. I didn't think you could even get the quest til lvl 40, but i could be wrong.

Hmph, weird

[Navia]

I'm doing ninja AF1 this weekend, and wondering if using both AF katana is really working out well.
I've got used to using a dagger( fed kuhkri +3acc +7atk) in my offhand and not sure I want to give up this weapon yet because its pretty quick (184) and i like the stat bonuses on it.
I can actually keep up on tp gain pretty well when doing a tachi:enpi -> blade:retsu chain with a SAM in pt, and have time to blink/ninjitus debuff, using both AF katanas will seem so slow i'm afraid ; ;.
I am going to try using the AF katana with the +2dex and the dagger and see how it works out.

[Masenken]

yeah, the two of them together is a slightly faster than a 2 hander.

The plus 2 str one is like 230ish delay and the other 218 I think.

Haste remedies some of the slowness, I just like the damage output I'm getting at the moment.

I think you'll like the dex one. Even with the 218 delay it's pretty quick with dual wield II. Can't wait to get III in 4 more lvls ^^