Spiked Necklace and the Elvaan Drk... bad idea?

[phr0st]

Ok, I'm an elvaan drk and I'm looking at the spiked necklace. However, as an Elvaan, the *ONLY* thing that keeps me in the magic game is our High MND rating which takes a hit with the spiked necklace. Should I equip this? or is there a better mid-level alternative until RK collar?

[coolffxi]

i have q about that to. spike or tiger the +5 att? :thumbsup:

[albert lee]

you shouldn't be casting magic to do dmg... esp 1-41 unless with a brd. 42, rdm's get refresh. and INT is the stat for magic dmg, not MND. MND is for whm magic. go get that spike necklace.

[albert lee]

spike is much better than tiger. 3str and 3dex is much better than 5attack.

[Mithrael]

You'll wear a spike necklace from at least lv.21 to lv.55. Even then, you may decide to wear it and keep a royal guard collar or coral/merman gorget in your inventory for when you are having trouble hitting. MND only helps you resist white magic enfeebles like slow, dia, and paralyze. Those will rarely be directed at you, and can be remedied by your WHM, so their affect is relatively unimportant.

[Izual]

Most drks go with the spike necklace until RK collar, simply due to a lack of options:) Tiger stole isn't bad either, I perfer spike necklace but I wouln't consider tiger stole gimped.

[Scatman]

Remember each point of STR gives 2 points of ATK, so right there that's more ATK than you get from the Tiger Stole.

[Ele]

Originally posted by Scatman
Remember each point of STR gives 2 points of ATK, so right there that's more ATK than you get from the Tiger Stole.

This is wrong. 2 STR point = 1 attack. Strength affects your damage curve, meaning that you have the ability to do more consistent damage with more str. Attack gives you the ability to do higher max damage.

[Scatman]

Originally posted by Ele


This is wrong. 2 STR point = 1 attack. Strength affects your damage curve, meaning that you have the ability to do more consistent damage with more str. Attack gives you the ability to do higher max damage.

Um do the test before spouting wrong corrections and confusing other people please.

You're confused with the general notion that 2 DEX = 1 accuracy (which is wrong BTW).

[Mithrael]

No, he's correct. It's stated everyone on the board, and correct every time.

Increasing your STR by 2 gives you 1 attack. A Spike Necklace adds 1.5 attack. You cannot make use of the .5 unless your STR value is an even number with the necklace equipped.

STR is compared linearly to the mob's VIT to determine your maximum damage. Attack is divided by defense to determine the "curve." In general, Attack affects the likely hood that you can reach your maximum damage (your attack/mob's defense is a multiplier applied to your maximum damage against a particular enemy).

[Scatman]

http://ffxi.crgaming.com/interviews...view.asp?Id=209

Yes I hate being the one whipping out the links, but it seems to clear up a lot of misconceptions that circulate around. Unless things are calculated differently, wouldn't:

"Attack = "STR x 2"

imply each point of STR contributes 2 points of Attack?

Barring all that, I vaguely remember comparing two sets of equipment and seeing the matching ratio when adjusting strength. I'm not at home right now, so I can't confirm.

[Mithrael]

That is a mis-translated statement. Check it out for yourself before you attempt to flame people WHO ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME and tell them they need to check it out for themselves.

STR+2 contibutes Attack+1. Attack+1 NEVER contibutes STR+2, the statement that Attack=STR*2 is incorrect.

The statement in the article that Defense=VITx2 is also completely false. I will provide as much emperical evidence as you like.


kthxbye.

[Scatman]

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Where the hell did I flame someone. It's an easy test that ANYONE who has immediate access to the game can see, so I don't need your empirical evidence. So if anyone needs to lay back, it's you. If you feel it's my fault that someone mis-translated an official interview, then so be it.

EDIT: If you think asking someone to do a test before making wrong assumptions is a flame, then we better pray you never become a board mod anywhere. What I said applies to myself as well, so if I made a mistake, I'll face it. Only that link happened to be conveniently there, so I went by that instead of testing since I'm not home. If it's inaccurately translated OH WELL, my bad, so sue me.

[Mithrael]

Well, you edited your post to remove the accusatory tone, so I'll accept that and appologize from unusually aggressive tone. Here are three pics that show directly how STR affects Attack. unfortunately, almost all of my weapons add either STR or Attack, so it's hard to see clearly without mental math.

https://webspace.utexas.edu/carrbm1/ff11/1.JPG
https://webspace.utexas.edu/carrbm1/ff11/2.JPG
https://webspace.utexas.edu/carrbm1/ff11/3.JPG

In the last picture, the barbarian's scythe adds Attack+25, you need to subtract that from the attack value.

[Anya]

...Level your sub.

o(^.-)b

[Mithrael]

^^;

I know. I'm a gimp by one level ; ;

[Ele]

heh, see i was right:p Maybe you need to do some more research before you post scat......

[Scatman]

Originally posted by Ele
heh, see i was right:p Maybe you need to do some more research before you post scat......

Heh, or maybe I shouldn't assume all sites bother to translate properly, even if it's from "an official source".

EDIT: And yes, although it wasn't a flame, I will admit I did sound like an ass when I responded to you earlier. Only reason it came out that way was because there are so many people who go by spreading wrong info "just because a friend says so", I was getting frustrated. And ironically that led me into making a similar mistake due to a bad source. SOL I guess, heh.

[Kosy]

Tiger Stole is pretty good ... until you hit level 30. Right now, at 46, I have 207 base to attack and I have another 4 more scythe levels till I hit max so that should bring it to 211 I think for my level.

+5 ATK and +2 DEF from Tiger Stole will do nothing for you at my levels. However, a +25 from Barbarian Scythe should outweight the loss in a little bit of accuracy =)

+3 to STR and +3 to DEX is a lot more beneficial after 30. Other than if you can afford the niceties (Like Peacock Charm) it's really the only thing you end up wearing around your neck into the 50s ... :)

[Ele]

Actually i was partially wrong:sweat: While it is confirmed by square that 2 STR = 1 attack, STR raise your max damage and attack raise your average damage.

you can see an interview with SE at: http://ffxi.crgaming.com/interviews/viewinterview.asp?Id=209

[gix]

Your max damage from a physical hit is also capped by dex, so the Spike Necklace is more useful.

[Mikasa]

royal guard collar is what you must go @ 55.

Even if I had 4million, i wouldnt blow it on peacock.

[Kailo]

Well I am currently in the character re-make process, so asking about/adding anything to this only helps my curiosity. Anyway, down to business. My old DRK did have the 4 mil to get the peacock; so I ask you, is it truly better to get a Spike when you've got enough for a Peacock?

[Anya]

No.

[Mikasa]

if i had 4 million to spend.

i would by a hauberk

peacock is pointless unless you have so much money you dont know what to do with it

[Kosy]

Originally posted by Dark^Impact
Well I am currently in the character re-make process, so asking about/adding anything to this only helps my curiosity. Anyway, down to business. My old DRK did have the 4 mil to get the peacock; so I ask you, is it truly better to get a Spike when you've got enough for a Peacock?

Depends. However, if you have just enough for a peacock charm, like Mikasa before me has said, get a hauberk instead. The stats on that one greatly justifies spending the money. I'd rather get the Royal Guard Collar (+4 to attack AND +4 to accuracy) to make it up. Considering that the stats on the Hauberk put most, if not all, of the body armor available to a DRK to shame. If you're luck on the other servers (re: not midgardsormr) you could get a Hauberk +1 for 4 million gils ...

[Anya]

If it's a remake he can use the charm from 33 all the way to the time he can actually *wear* a hauberk.

Then.. sell it.

[Kosy]

Originally posted by Anya
If it's a remake he can use the charm from 33 all the way to the time he can actually *wear* a hauberk.

Then.. sell it.

A big if with the 4 million at the supposed level you can wear it ^^a I don't know very many people with 4 million even at 60 and above =p