i,m gonna be a TARU DRK/WAR

[Sparky]

i have finally reached level 30,tomorrow i,m gonna do the DRK quest in bastok (i live in windurst but it,s possible right? i have to collect some info)
after i get the DRK job,im gonna sub WAR for additional melee and defense bonuses.im gonna do this and nobody who can stop me!

[Mikasa]

go for it man.

but be aware, the other 4 races will dominate you in damage dealing.

DRK is not a caster, his only useful spells are the absorb series.


but all power to you, you have one hefty challenge ahead of you

[Ednoon]

DRK is not a caster, his only useful spells are the absorb series.

im trying to believe a lv54 said this.

dmg for taru? just enough to get pwned like noobs. not really, you dont need too much, its about how good you keep aggro away not how much dmg you do :handsdown

but be aware, the other 4 races will dominate you in damage dealing.

4 other race dmg > taru? hmm... tell me a Galka can keep going with element II MB after every renkei. i wonder if you ever used sleep/stun/drain/aspir at all in xp PTs or crying for refresh every 5 casts? oh wait how about sit down and med.

not trying to be rude but i can't beleive your level 54 and still saying what you think is true but you have no idea what/how a taru drk works. goodbye

for Sparky, being taru drk you have to play really well. one mistake you'll get pwn cuz you can't take hit so dmg dealing adjustment is important using /ma, or alt a. :cool: tarus has large mp pool so use it, you can save alot of PT wipe out or mim. the death of a wipe out, after 60 PT rarely ask me to /war because it messes up aggro good unless you have someone else /thf doing the aggro managing. how you play it is all you to find out.

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35410

thats the link someone posted about all race drk.

[Mikasa]

ednoon,

the bottom line is taru drk's can NOT hit hard.

A DRK is about dealing damage.

A Taru also has crappy HP in which if a mob were to Sickle Slash him for example, he would get owned in one hit.

It's quite obvious you're trying to defend the Taru because you've realized you made a mistake by picking them for a DRK when you see elvaan DRK's doing way more damage as you.

[Ednoon]

theres nothing to defend.
thanks for point that out. DRK is about dealing dmg im sure i already found that out. why crappy HP has to do with dealing dmg? i dont need to tank do i? maybe i do so i can slow the PT down and get some sickle slash hit on me and let the PT wait 10mins. wow i made a mistake and got a job to 62 i should try make more mistakes see if i can get all my jobs 60 and 15 sets of AF in safe.

<Help Me Out!> <Dark Knight> AF <Key> :zzz:

[Tonkz]

wee as a taru drk your soul eat will do horrible dmg

any u'll die for sure if u get any hate. ( YOU WONT ALWAYS HAVE THE BEST PT IN THE WORLD)

wow Lvl 2 magic will maybe do 200 dmg on MB (if not resisted, lets jus assume it does full.. btw u get ur lvl 2 magic at which lvl again? oh ya like u get ur first one at 42)

as a hume, I MB stoned 2 for 120 something highest...
Or i could be doing 120 a hit and more with soul eater. (ofcourse if you're eating food)

if ur dependin on MB to do dmg.. be a damn BLACKMAGE!~!!!~
I'm not saying a taru is a bad race to pick, because its preference. It's probably a lot more fun to be able to magic burst more I agree(ooo 2 more!), but other races WILL probably do more dmg over all.

weee ima douchy mc queef queef.
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

[fuz]

Taru is not a melee race, therefore, don't be disapointed to find out that they are not good at melee, because it is obvious.

As a drk, you can not cast more spells to make up for your lack in melee damage. By doing so, you slow your TP gain rate, while dishing out moderate to low damage at best. Your attacks are more powerful, no matter what race you are, so it's better to attack rather than cast more.

Souleater damage is HP based and ingnores the def of the target it hits. The whole reason drk can keep up with the other melee fighters is because of this ability. Tarus, having the least HP can not use this skill well.

That all said a taru drk is not a gimp. The damage difference between a hume drk and a taru drk is small and can be made up with better equips. However the difference between a elvaan and a taru is very noticeable and is difficult to make up for. From the few cases that i have seen, elvaan vs. taru, I would guess the damage difference is about ~20%. Large enough for consideration, but not crippling. So a taru drk is completely viable, just make sure that your equips are as good as you can get, otherwise people will not want to PT with you given the number of other damage dealers lfg.

[surlung]

Taru drk here~

I group with other drks around my level often (all of them non-taru).

I often hit about the same. Souleater dmg? At lvl 50 - wow... you got 850-1k hp compared to my 700 hp. That's 85-100 dmg vs 70 extra dmg. WOW! 15-30 more dmg per swing! OMG you are so leet, tarus are worthless!!!

Sucky for you - I can make up that 30 dmg (x5 or whatever you hit with Souleater every 6 min) with my magic and mp pool.

[Ednoon]

Elvaan Dark Knight/Warrior: Level 75/37
Attack: 45
Defense: 36.5
Accuracy: 33.5
Soul Eater Damage: 145
Total Mana Capabilites for Asorb Agility: 7 Spells

Hume Dark Knight/Warrior: Level 75/37
Attack: 40.5
Defense: 34
Accuracy: 35
Soul Eater Damage: 133
Total Mana Capabilites for Asorb Agility: 9 Spells

Tarutaru Dark Knight/Warrior: Level 75/37
Attack: 36.5
Defense: 32.5
Accuracy: 35
Soul Eater Damage: 110 Damage
Total Mana Capabilites for Asorb Agility: 16 Spells


from http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/sh...&threadid=35410 i dont think you have hear me correctly DRK dmg is more than enough even a taru drk can grab aggro easy so what are you saying, get aggro and not die? comparing all 5 races no matter what you do souleater at the wrong time you get aggro + hate on your dmg you sure going to get hit and take more dmg than a tank job because more than likely your gears are -HP% -DEF -Evade, mobs do their SP after each renkei with the added on hate
it sure wont turn back to tank for awhile. what do you do? cry like a school girl and say oh thank god im not a taru but when is this tank gonna taunt this mob back im going to die soon. how often do you use your souleater anyway.

anyway, everyone knows evlaan has the most str, but in xp PT if i want someone to take hit i would invite Pal/War, Nin/War, War/Nin. not Drk/Drk Drk/War Drk/Sam End up tanking burning my Whm's MP. "other 4 races will dominate you in damage dealing" Taru MB can make up the dmg

MB resist? havn't happened, 120? your renkei sucks or you have crap INT.

if ur dependin on MB to do dmg.. be a damn BLACKMAGE!~!!!~

DRK mb is a plus im not depending my dps on MB its something extra a taru drk can do more often, and again DRK MP useage not all about absorb series

im not too sure if you are still in those 5melees FFA WAX the mob and a WHM healing 5 melees randomly taking aggro but it sure sounds like you are still playing the game that way. if you still think your DMG and HP is godly and you have to use it fullest, good luck you have just impressed me!!!

[albert lee]

often hit about the same. Souleater dmg? At lvl 50 - wow... you got 850-1k hp compared to my 700 hp. That's 85-100 dmg vs 70 extra dmg. WOW! 15-30 more dmg per swing! OMG you are so leet, tarus are worthless!!! actually thats only the first hit... after its starts to dwindle down (faster with less hp with less dmg)... that is why galka drk's are the best for souleater.

anyway, everyone knows evlaan has the most str, but in xp PT if i want someone to take hit i would invite Pal/War, Nin/War, War/Nin. not Drk/Drk Drk/War Drk/Sam End up tanking burning my Whm's MP. "other 4 races will dominate you in damage dealing" Taru MB can make up the dmg this paragraph makes no sense to me... actually going over the rest of your posts (ed) on this thread... they all don't make sense.


and having a large mp pool doesn't matter unless ur mp's crap(i.e. 98mp galka.) with my current mp 175, i can cast up to 5 1/2 absorbs @61drk/war. refresh doesnt last long, usually when i'm @50mp, i ask for a refresh and it stops at 165mp or around there...(something like that) the point is, a refresh wouldn't heal all my mp. being a taru drk that bursts and casts absorb-agi/stun would just be a bigger burden on the rdm than that of an elvaan/hume who doesn't burst.

and there was no point for starting this thread... its like flossing your new socks.

[Ednoon]

yeah your right, i'll make it simple, without the not so funny jokes.

1. taru drk melee is weaker but not by far. their high INT MB can make up the dmg.
2. crap hp doesn't mean you have to get hit if you know your going to get shoted why would anyone fight sipders in the first place. (if your talking about souleater thats another case. it adds good dmg bonus and higher hp race will have better dmg.)
3. drk is dmg dealer but they have alot of useful spells not just absorb.

im tired, night. :zzz:

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

drk taru not bad

but the bad side you must lv up war cuz its the best sub for drk

who need taru war :P

[voodoo]

don't listen to anyones negative bs. do what you wanna do, and have fun doing it :)

[Mikasa]

why crappy HP has to do with dealing dmg? i dont need to tank do i? maybe i do so i can slow the PT down and get some sickle slash hit on me and let the PT wait 10mins

if you're telling me that you've never caused hate to be drawn against you once, that means that:

1. you are the most amazing DRK ever

OR

2. you aren't doing enough damage to make the mob care you are hitting it. (if I was a betting man, I'd choose the one)


I'm not saying Taru can't be DRK, you're just gimped and you know it. Like a galka WHM

[fuz]

Not as bad as galka whm. The drk job abilities and equips outweigh the racial stats by a lot, thus the differences are only significant to be noticeable and not gimpy. :P

[Tonkz]

"MB resist? havn't happened, 120? your renkei sucks or you have crap INT."
Ok... that's fucking bullshit 2 the max.
UNLESSS you're fighting easy preys and too weak to be worthwhile, your magic is gona get resisted most of the time.

Yes, you can flame the amount of INT I have compared to yours but what does that tell you? You're probably using int items (aka blackmage wannabe) and instead of snipers ring you probably fukin buy those eremit or watever... the +2 int rings. Even worst, you probably have shit STR, DEX and ATTACK just so u can MB decent damage. Please remind me how much I care about the amount of INT I HAVE!

I bet you eat apple pies instead of meat mithkabobs!:biggrin: :biggrin:

Oh ya, to surlung:
you're probably doing the same amount of damage because:
A) You're using a better weapon than the other shit DRK's
B) You're eating food and the others are too cheap
C) Umm, they're just too douchy to attack or just have shitty accuracy.
D) All of the above

Hey... I think I'm going with answer D)!

[surlung]

Originally posted by Tonkz

Oh ya, to surlung:
you're probably doing the same amount of damage because:
A) You're using a better weapon than the other shit DRK's
B) You're eating food and the others are too cheap
C) Umm, they're just too douchy to attack or just have shitty accuracy.
D) All of the above

Hey... I think I'm going with answer D)! [/B]

lol. nice flame. How about
E) Tonkz is a dumb ass.

Hey... I think I'm going with answer E!


But for reals, I'm talking from experience... I wonder if you are?

[Eyke]

taru drks are fun and cool when you see them


the warrror job type taru is the coolest :D...and only kinda taru i like..i wanna kick them everytime i see them like a football:spin:

[Tonkz]

ROFL flamer. Funny thing is, I didn't even flame :p

If you're still trying to think a TARU DRK is doing the same dmg as a HUME/GALKA/ELVAAN than... ur obviously being ignorant.

If tarus do the same fuckin amount of damage and have more mana, WOULDNT EVERYONE BE A FUCKIN TARU DARKKNIGHT?

I SPEAK LOGIC, NOT NECESARILY (duno how 2 spell) EXPERIENCE CAUSE I HAVE A PERM PARTY.

[Kousai]

Originally posted by Tonkz
You're probably using int items (aka blackmage wannabe) and instead of snipers ring you probably fukin buy those eremit or watever... the +2 int rings.

umm.... you can always make a macro that equips eremit rings and casts the spell then equips snipers again after you know...

[surlung]

Originally posted by Tonkz
I SPEAK LOGIC, NOT NECESARILY (duno how 2 spell) EXPERIENCE CAUSE I HAVE A PERM PARTY.

:rolleyes:

[Ednoon]

Tonkz you dont even know what your talking about, go check the AH for acc. gears drk can use at lv60 i want INT for ring i would get the +3 ones level up and see the wrold in FFXI sir, you getting resist thats too bad for you that doesn't mean everyone else is getting resists.

and no, not many people will go for taru drk because its hard race to play drk somewhat like Galka, not balanced

[dragoon]

Originally posted by Tonkz
I bet you eat apple pies instead of meat mithkabobs!:biggrin: :biggrin:

Oh ya, to surlung:
you're probably doing the same amount of damage because:
A) You're using a better weapon than the other shit DRK's
B) You're eating food and the others are too cheap
C) Umm, they're just too douchy to attack or just have shitty accuracy.
D) All of the above

Hey... I think I'm going with answer D)!

So you are saying that all other race(expect taru) are not going to do eat mithkabobs, and where up to date equipment.
Wow you sir are a Dumbass or just didn't see any experience(from other race beside taru) but still don't genralize(i know i miss spell it) all race.

[Tonkz]

m00t... Dragoon...

I was saying thats probably why the taru was doing more damage you turd burglar.
TARU DRK FULL EQUIP + FOOD VS HUME DRK FULL EQUIP + FOOD

THE HUME WILL DO MORE DMG.

To EDP00N (haha p00n) Even a BLM gets resisted ... if you're saying you don't get resisted its like saying you don't have a penis. It's based on percentage. Having more fuckin int won't mean "ya i r0x00r cuz i d0nt get resist0rd!".

Just cause ur a blm wanna be doesn't mean you're a blackmage.

TO KOUSAI: Ok i'll start speaking your language. I'll make a macro so I can equip all the HIGH DEFENSE armor when I get hit, and a macro to take it off when I don't. I'll also make a macro to switch my whole entire armors each time I wanna use a spell.

Well... let's say I agree and Tarutaru's can even out the damage with MB's that don't ever get resisted (ya right).
If you don't have a redmage in your party, you're fucked over. No refresh? GG no MP. You're going to have to rest after each battle and you won't fuckin skillchain cause you're too cool to be a melee but that's a different story...

What my point was ... even if a taru taru did the same amount of damage as any other race did, you're going to have less HP over all. Ur basicly just cutting off 200 hp, so you can be a midget. You probably won't be able to solo as well either. (You're fuckin relying on MB's to do dmg.

[gbay]

Dragoon, if you read what Tonkz was replying to, maybe, just MAYBE, you'd understand. Surlung says he hits around the same damage as other race Drk's his lvl.
Sirlung's 'Drks" are probably using +chr rings eating wild onions and thats why he's is doing equivalant damage. Group with a real non-taru DRK, i'm sure they'll outdamage you. Im sure Tonkz would kick ur ass in damage.
...who knows.. maybe sirdouche is gona say he deals more damage then rangers

[Kousai]

Originally posted by Tonkz


TO KOUSAI: Ok i'll start speaking your language. I'll make a macro so I can equip all the HIGH DEFENSE armor when I get hit, and a macro to take it off when I don't. I'll also make a macro to switch my whole entire armors each time I wanna use a spell.

damn dude, your a fucking dumbass :)
changing rings to add 6 int to your mb isnt at all the same as changing your entire set armor when your getting hit, comparing the two makes no sense, you moron.

[Tonkz]

actually it does make sense ... you can compare anything you want ...

I can compare a dog with a pencil even though their not related. I can say ones an animal and ones a piece of a wood and it makes perfect sense.

Don't tell me what I can't compare =) thanks.

[Kousai]

Originally posted by Tonkz
actually it does make sense ... you can compare anything you want ...

I can compare a dog with a pencil even though their not related. I can say ones an animal and ones a piece of a wood and it makes perfect sense.

Don't tell me what I can't compare =) thanks.

moron.

[albert lee]

i got 24 warning points for stuff like this... haha. you guys should go back and edit your posts... some little cry baby might report you guys.

[Kousai]

Originally posted by albert lee
i got 24 warning points for stuff like this... haha. you guys should go back and edit your posts... some little cry baby might report you guys.

nah, i dont care if someone reports me :rolleyes:

[Tonkz]

I don't care either... i already have some warning points. + there wasn't anything wrong with what we we're doing! I didn't even flame. Flame seems to be determined by the reader these days... Just take a look at surlung. I was stating possibilities why anotehr race could be doing less damage then a tarutaru and he thought I was "flaming him".

he obviously doesn't understand the difference between a flame and cocky response.

A flame would be more like: "omfg surjung ur a fuckin dumbass! ur so stupid omfg omfg newb u think tarus do as much dmg? HAHA ROFL FUCIN MORON GO EAT SOME SHIT CUZ UR WRONG 2 THE MAX"

theres a big difference

btw
I thank you Kousai for thinking i'm a moron! :S

[surlung]

I guess i'll stop. It's not worth it to reply to a summoner with all the dark knight facts down. :rolleyes:

/goodbye~

[gbay]

LOLOLOLOLOL
just because it says hes a summoner, doesn't mean he is...
Current Tonkz aka Narusegawa is a 47 drk/war. Apearances maybe decieving ???
:thumbsup:

[surlung]

Originally posted by gbay
LOLOLOLOLOL
just because it says hes a summoner, doesn't mean he is...
Current Tonkz aka Narusegawa is a 47 drk/war. Apearances maybe decieving ???
:thumbsup:

Ah. thanks.

That explains why he's so pissed off when we tell him taru dark is fine. I guess he's insecure about his dark.

[gbay]

naw, it's just cuz u think u do as much damage as other race darks when its obvious you wouldn't if the dark had some decent shtuff

[Tonkz]

... /sigh ... you obviously don't read the whole post before you respond.

I never said about Tarutaru Darkknights not being "fine". I clearly stated that it would be more fun because of the ability to magic burst more often.

What my POINT was, tarutaru will do LESS damage a hit using a scythe and it's a fact. That's when you decided to consider my post a flame and decided to flame me because I was telling you what could have happened when you were doing more damage then other DRKs.

And I'm not "insecure" about my darkknight. In fact a really don't care. I can clearly admit that an Elvaan will probably do more damage a hit if he/she was using the same equipment because it's true, they have more strength. I'm not going to deny the truth because I want to believe something else. A tarutaru won't do the same damage a hit as an Elvaan (assuming same equipment) but that's the advantage of being an Elvaan. An Elvaan probably wouldn't be able to magic burst as often as the tarutaru beause that's the taru's advantage. I think you're the insecure one =/ which is why you automaticly assumed my post was a flame just because it was directed to your previous post, but really wasn't a flame.

Just think .... if a tarutaru did more damage a hit, and can magicburst for so much more ... it wouldn't be balanced alright? And everyone would want to be a tarutaru.

BTW ... unless you're living with me, and you're watching me type my post and you can see that i'm banging on the keyboard while yelling shouts/punching my monitor ... don't assume i'm "pissed off". If you're thinking "oh he must be angry cause he's using CAPS LIKE THIS AND SWEARING LIKE A MOFO FUCKIN FAG QUEER"
it's my way to accentuate my points more easily. In the end ... they're just words. If your virgin eyes can't handle it, then i'm sorry and i'll stop using profane language!

:spin: :spin:

[Tubbers]

Originally posted by Ednoon
theres nothing to defend.
thanks for point that out. DRK is about dealing dmg im sure i already found that out. why crappy HP has to do with dealing dmg? i dont need to tank do i? maybe i do so i can slow the PT down and get some sickle slash hit on me and let the PT wait 10mins. wow i made a mistake and got a job to 62 i should try make more mistakes see if i can get all my jobs 60 and 15 sets of AF in safe.

<Help Me Out!> <Dark Knight> AF <Key> :zzz:

HP has everything to do with Souleater DMG, it takes 10% (15% with AF helm) of your current HP away, and does that much armor piercing damage to the mob, the only mobs this DOESN'T work on are elementals.

Galka HP > Other races
Galka DMG > Other races PERIOD.

Taru just will NOT do as much damage, and thats a fact.

Edit: Ehh...heh.... only read first page =/, but overall its the same, 80% of the DMG DRK do are from melee hits anyways, 90% or more 60+, you shouldn't really be magic bursting anyways, spending time casting spells that do less damage than a hit = wasted time, unless its Absorb AGI, DEX, Drain or Aspir.

[Tonkz]

/agreed

[albert lee]

Galka DMG > Other races PERIOD. not true. elvaan's base damage kills galkas.

[Bamce Sylph]

aren't evlans the ones cursed w/ horrid acc?

[tfung]

Originally posted by Tubbers

Galka HP > Other races
Galka DMG > Other races PERIOD.


Elvaan has higher STR than Galka... tho it's possible that Galka + souleater will do a tiny bit more than Elvaan with souleater...

Originally posted by Bamce Sylph
aren't evlans the ones cursed w/ horrid acc?

all drk's are cursed with horrid acc... ^^;;


My input on this topic is that there aren't too big of a difference in races at the earlier lvls (pre-60)... taru's actually might be better in PT's lacking a rdm or brd since their huge MP pool allows them to rest less for mp...

but once you past 60, the differences start getting quite big... at lvl60, taru drk's are roughly 12-14 str behind elvaan ones... that makes a huge difference per hit when you're fighting IT's... granted they can MB for more on Skillchains... the difference doesn't really make it up for the melee damage they lose out on. The MB's should be done by the BLMs and RDMs IMHO...

But in XP PT's after 60 (even during the 50's), the huge MP pool of taru's won't matter as much since you will need a BRD or RDM in the PT for refreshes and dispel. If the PT doesn't have either of those, you're wasting your time in it...

All that said, by no means are taru drk's gimped.. they still do more damage than other melees at the same lvl.... and if that's what you want to do, by all means try it out.. ^^ it will be more challenging to play like all the other non cookie cutter job/race combos... but if done right, I'm sure it'll be quite satisfying..

[Obano]

Ummm, level 50 Elvaan has a grand total of THREE points higher Strength than a Galka, and 3 points lower Dex.

I'm guessing that 3 points in Str doesn't make up for the 10 points in greater Souleater damage a Galka can do (from 100 more HP), much less the lower DoT from missing slightly more (note: I said "slightly", but those misses do matter).

Galka > Elvaan for DRK melee damage

As for Taru, I'm sure they can do pretty good DoT as long as you adjust your playstyle somewhat. MB and Drain whenever you have the chance, and the added damage should make up for lower melee damage.

Remember, it's about DoT, not putting up really pretty numbers just one time. Since Taru damage would be more spread out rather than through those big Souleater numbers, they should draw less hate than the other races (Galka would draw the most).

BTW: Why is it always guys who play the Elvaan spending their time slamming other races and proclaiming their superiority?

[Bigbird]

Instead of being productive most people just try to say they are the best cause of yada yada yada, "Im Elvaan, Elvaans are the best whms cause of high MND" Instead people should just accept the pro's and con's of their choice and accept the realities.

I have been leveling dark for alil, im lvl 35 and Taru. Its pretty obvious that hit for hit a galka or elvaan will do alil more damage and that will grow exponentially over time as the STR gap gets wider and wider. But there is a difference between Taru dark doing less damage as a Galka/Elvaan and Taru dark being useless, and THATS what some people cant seem to quite understand. DRGS and Wars do less damage then DRKs and RNGs yet they are used for the 'Damage Dealing' Spot in parties, its not about being the BEST guys, there will always be someone with better equipment then you, its about doing your job in the party. A taru Drk with food and good equipment will have NO problem doing his job as a 'Damage Dealer' and ladies and gentemen thats what counts.

[FF Fan]

Elvaan has the least accuracy and that is a fact. Lowest DEX AGI in the game.

Taru has the lowest STR in the game and it is a fact also.... nothing to argrue about in the above 2 points.

Each and every race has its own advantage and disadvantage while playing as a drk. They are all equally good. Elvaan hits more but his hits land less offen. Mithra hit less but hit lands more, Taru hit less but can MB more, drain more and MB is less likely to get resisted. Galka hits more and has the most dmg for soul eater but MB much much less and most likely to be resisted. Humes are a jack of all trades but a master of none.

At higher level the difference btwn the classes is more and more pronounced. Yes, taru drk hits about 10-15 percent less than galka and elvaan at after 65 but galka and elvaan drains about 20 percent less than a taru's drain. If you think rdm should MB then why drk should not?? Do you know drk's elemental skill is higher than rdms? RDM is C+ and drk is B+. Drk's magic will do more dmg than rdm's and it will be less likely to be resisted as well. Reason why drk other than taru drk do not MB is their ele skill is not up to date (less mp, less chance to skill up ele skill) and they have less INT significantly.

So no race is a superior drk or a useless drk, it is just that the style of playing differs from race to race.

[albert lee]

seriously... after awhile... post start becoming blah blah blah~blah! to me.