BCNM50 Yughott Grotto [A feint operation]

[Apple Pie]

BC50 Yughott Grotto is thought to be the most difficult one among all BC50s but rewards are also better than those of other two.

We fight with three sheeps. Since I get around 100 - 120 damage from each hit, they are all considered Incredibly Tough. In a regular battle, we make two of them sleep and beat one by one. However, they completely resist Bind, Sleep and Sleep II. Bard's Lullaby songs don't work at all either.

So, how can we take them? There's no way we can take three IT mobs at a time.

Well, we, Red Mages, are here to take care of them. We know how Glavity is useful against NMs and HNMs. This is "Glavity Marathon" and is used for a feint operation.

http://www5.sppd.ne.jp/grendal/FF11/bcnm50_yughott.mpg (12 minutes, 65.3MB...)

As we know, it is getting harder for us to do because of the latest patch, "Repeated use of the spell Gravity on notorious monsters will result in the monster slowly building up a resistance to the magic's effect. This resistance wears off with time."

In fact, if we keep casting it on the same NM/HNMs, it is often half-resisted and and it wears off in 30 seconds (Recasting time is 60 seconds.). Once it wears off, there's no way we can run away from them and we are ready to say good-bye... Therefore, we need to be very smart.

Once two red mages can successfuly accomplish the operation, we don't need any 2H. What we only need is just a few poisons to prevent us from sleeping. I went there 5 times with my friends and won 5 times. Unfortunately, I didn't get anything good but some RSE belts are sold at like 200K - 650K in AH...

[Rones]

Very nice movie and tactics. :thumbsup:

[Gman]

Great movie... I thoroughly enjoyed watching that (just wish I could understand Japanese so I knew which spells you were casting ^_^)

[lazner]

very nice video :). looks pretty scary :p .

[Sanada]

really nice.:thumbsup:

[LegendaryFire]

now that was a great movie. :O

Took me forever to download, but whew.

Thanks for the movie :biggrin:

[Shiia]

Just saw his movie. He was constantly using Gravity (of course...) Blind, maybe slow? aswell to the mob he was in charge. Appart from that he was casting Blink on himself, occational stoneskin for his protection. Finally when ever he had time he casted haste, probably to reduce the gravity recast time. What I was surprised is that the gravity sticked for quite some time.

Lastly as a counter for sleep, they probably were drinking poison (dunno the name in english). Although I guess the melee people forgot to drink them in mid fight /grin. The shocking part could be the thief? was insta killed with probably sheep charge or something. Judging from the movie, all 3 sheep's attack has a knock back effect? I saw you been bashed a couple of times...

P.S. I didn't know you were japanese lol.

[Apple Pie]

Well, I brought all my INT+ (MND+ as well) gears below LV50 and ate Apple Pie +1 (Melon Pie +1 was sold out...) to ensure Glavity lands. However, it was sometimes half-resisted (= only lasted 30 seconds).

I used Blind, Burn, and Slow to hold hate. Slow was especially important so that our spell-casting couldn't be inturrupted. Haste was also important, more important than Refresh. With Haste, recasting timer of Glavity is something around 50 seconds.

BTW, the one killed by Sheep Charge was RNG/NIN. It was all my fault. I noticed it used Rage (Berserk effect) but I failed to include Dispel on my BC50 macro palette (Palette 8) and had to scroll back to my party macro palette (Palette 3). It was a little too late even though I removed it. With Rage, we sometimes got 400 - 600 (or even more?) damage. We always had to take a close look at logs.

Then, yes, every attack from three sheeps had a knock back effect. We were able to avoid this by standing near the wall. Otherwise, we might have no chance to cast any spells even with 2H.

Anyway, with good PT setup and some poisons, we can keep winning without the use of our 2H. The Galkan MNK (His main job is BRD and he's the one I go out leveling with) got a RSE belt sold at 200K in AH, a contract of Light Elemental sold at 60K in AH and some other stuffs. He only used three poisons (1,5K) and ate one Seafood Kebob (800g) for them :P

[Azael]

Great topic Apple, i know a lot of NA players (Like myself) are very hesitant about going and trying BCNM fights, maybe you can assist me here, as my Permanent PT is thinking about attempting this very BCNM sometime in the near future. I'm a little concerned that this battle is not made for a normal PT setup but here is our group:

Glk PLD/WAR
Hum BRD/WHM
Tar WHM/BLM
hum DRG/WAR
hum RDM/WHM (me)
hum THF/NIN (could also be nin/thf if that could help us)

Any suggestions on how we could manage agro, our BRD has fantastic gear (All instruments are plus 1 and lots of chr) Is brd crowd control even possible here with good stats or is it just that impossible to land Horde Lullabye?

Thanks for any input or help you can offer, I'd really rather not go and get owned by these sheep :biggrin:

[Apple Pie]

Here's our PT setup for your reference.

Elvaan NIN/WAR
He was a primary tank with Utsusemi I & II. It was a little risky but he ate Meat Mithkabob to hold hate.

Galka MNK/WAR
He was an attacker. He worked as a temporary tank while NIN was recasting Utsusemi. He had to eat Fish Mithkabob not to increase his firepower unnecessarily. We see he was often targetted even with Fish one against his will...

Mithra RNG/NIN
She was an attacker, too. She ate Meat Mithkabob. As we know, well-equipped RNG sometimes does too much. That's why she subbed NIN. However, when she was killed, she didn't seem to notice Utsusemi had gone.

Taru BLM/WHM
She was a healer. I'm not sure what she ate but I guess it was Melon Pie. Since other two mages concentrated on taking two sheeps away from the camp, she was the only healer. She kept drinking Yagudo Drink.

Taru RDM/BLM x 2
We both played the most important role. As I stated on the previous posts, there was no way to take three sheeps at a time. I took the left one and the other took the right one. Rest of us took one in the middle and knocked it down first. Then, they took the right one. Mayuneko, the other red mage, assisted me after his sheep was taken because Glavity started to be half-resisted. Once they killed the 2nd one, we finally got together.

As for Lullaby, it is said that even a BRD with Monster Signa isn't able to land it. As a matter of fact, when I first tried this BC, I did Elemental Seal + Sleep II (I had no idea at that time) but I didn't make it.

Here's the list of spells I found worked.

- Bio / Bio II
- Blind
- Burn
- Glavity
- Dia / Dia II
- Poison II
- Slow (very important)

Paralyze didn't work at all, nor did Bind.

Unfortunately, I don't think of any good tactics other than this feint operation. If all of them use their 2H, they may make it without this...

Then as for a tank, I think PLD should work but then we need one more RDM to refresh her/him. Also, NIN tank can avoid their lethal attacks (Sheep Charge with Rage) but if PLD does a tank, we definitely need RDM to dispel it.

As a result, I think reliable PT should consist of,

- At least two RDMs: Marathon runner
- Two tanks (Primary and Secondary): It is hard for a single tank to keep targetted.
- Main healer: Can be any. RDM should be the best (Convert, Dispel, and Refresh)?
- Strong attackers: The longer it takes us to kill each one, the less chance runners have to survive.

Remember to bring poisons (6K/dozen on Gilgamesh) to keep us awake. Eat proper foods and bring good gears at LV50.

BTW, I used Reraise scroll (the one we can exchange for 500 conquest points). Well, when our PT is ruined, sheeps go back to where they initially stay. We have chance to come back if someone use Reraise.

[Kousai]

just curious, what armor was that elvaan wearing?

[Apple Pie]

I guess it was Raptor Jerkin...

[Shiia]

Judging from the colour I think its Raptor Jerkin yes... Could be +1 though :P

[Zempten]

awesome job Apple

[Fisttie]

Does anyone know if these sheep are charmable by a BST?? Awesome movie btw ^_^

[Apple Pie]

I'm afraid if they aren't charmable. Before I went there with my friends, some of our LS mates went there with BST/WHM. They are masters of BCNM40 but they didn't succeed in charming any of sheeps at all and were all killed :P

[Zempten]

Even with Familar?

[Apple Pie]

There was a record that 6 BST/WHM defeated sheeps but 3 of them were said to be killed.

I think RDM is always necessary because without dipeling "Rage" buff, even their HQ Familiars can't keep fighting for a while.

[COWTIPPA]

I REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO SAY BUT YOU'RE DA MAN APPLE!!!!!!
just watched the video. I was looking all over the net for a good tatic to take these dumb sheeps out. Thanks a ton. I'm going to try it tonite.

[Apple Pie]

Thanks. I'm glad to hear that.

It is not I that invented this tactic but I believe it is the easiest and most efficient way to beat them.

Well, I apologize for the file-size of the movie. I tried to encode it with Windows Media Video 9 because compression ratio is better and WMV9 movies can be stream-played but I had problem with Microsoft WMV9 encoder.

I just bought brand new TMPGEnc 3.0 (http://www.pegasys-inc.com/en/index.html) featuring MPEG1/2 and WMV9 encoding. I believe I can create better and smaller ones in the future.

So, hope you have fun dodging from them like a Spanish bullfighter :)

EDIT: Fixed a grammatical error.

[COWTIPPA]

WOOT!!! BCNM 50 IS NO MORE R.I.P FROM NOW ON I SHALL BE CALLED SHEEPTIPPA.

Apple thanks again for the video post...it was a lot of help..it took us 3 tries to get it right but we finally got it. 1st time we gravity the middle sheep and let the other 2 chase us..but we looked at the video and founded out it was wrong. we needed to gravity both sheep and leave the non- gravity sheep behind ao the PT can raped the damn thing. second time >< one of our RMD D/C so we get bum rushed by sheeps. They played me like if I was playing RDM in the middle passing me back and forth. lol. (the pain) The third time we got it right. But we only got 95k total for all the item combine. That works out to be 15k each. I wanted to get the forest stone so I can make my Elvan RDM better. >< no luck..but we're doing BCNM 50 again in 2 day.

thanks again Apple!

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[Tiny]

i cant watch the video, did u change the link or take it off the site?

[sushicide]

I think he did to make room for a WS & Drk sub video

[dang everything]

I was wondering how a mithra RDM/BLM would fare at this, seeing as all the mages were taru you have higher then normal INT, mithra have below this and it would be harder to have Gravity land (does it get fully resisted a lot?)

If a mithra RDM/BLM did this what would be her chances? would she fare just as well or horribly?

What equipment did you use, was the mage type gear the best for defense or was it a INT+ thing? Thanks for any answered questions. :)

[Apple Pie]

I removed the clip since I only have 100MB disc space available. However, it's still on my local PC and whenever I have some free space, I'll re-upload it and let you guys know that.

As for the race, don't worry. There's no reason mithra cannot make it. My master is Mithra and she never fails.

Bring some nice gears for LV50. Eat Melon Pies. Switch your gears to INT+ ones whenever you cast Gravity.

[Walkir]

I notice this seems to be pre-gravity resit increase.

How could this be done with the current state of the game? Where mobs build a resistance to gravity....

[Apple Pie]

There's a state we call "Half-Resisted." Well, Gravity is supposed to last 60 seconds but when half-resisted, it only lasts 30 seconds. There might be 1/4 one.

Since recasting time of the spell is also 60 seconds, we have hard time if it is half-resisted.

After the patch, I notice sheeps start to more half-resist it after I cast it several times. Therefore, we really need to kill the 1st one as fast as possible. After beating the 1st one, we can easily dodge from one more sheep with two red mages.

In addition, keep in mind to cast Haste on yourself because it reduces recasting time (around 8 - 10 seconds?) --- the secret effect of the spell.

[micromunch]

I've been asked to try out BC50 and I'm glad I found this thread before I go at it. Good info.

But wow, I missed out on the video. I hope you're able to upload the video again soon, so I can get an idea of what I should be doing. :sweat:

[Sindinista]

My LS has been really into BCNM's lately, so I decided I would take a few of and go fo this. The party set up I was looking is something like this:

Taru RDM/BLM
Elv RDM/BLM
Elv RNG/WAR
Elv PLD/WAR
Hum BLM/WHM
(one last damage dealer/tank)

A NIN tank sounds too risky with a RNG/WAR, so would PLD work just as well, the BLM would cure and cast.

Also I'm assuming that if we are going to use our 2hr's then all the big DMG dealing ones should be used on the first sheep? I was also thinking that the 2nd sheep fought should be taken from the Elv since the Taru would have more MP and INT? (sorry kato, lol).

[Apple Pie]

Because I haven't had a PLD as our main tank, I cannot really comment on your setup. However, I guess you need one more RDM to dispel sheep's berserk buff (called "Rage" in English as well?).

As I stated on my previous posts, Sheep Charge + Rage combo is very dangerous. I guess you saw our RNG was suddenly killed (took 500+ damage) by this combo on the movie. The biggest reason we chose NIN as our main tank is because he can avoid this with Utsusemi I & II. We didn't have to dispel the buff as a result.

As for when to use your 2H, I believe it should be used on the first one. Defeating the first one asap is most important. As the time goes, Gravity is getting half-resisted and it is harder for one RDM to hundle one sheep later on.

So, here's the timeline and your formation that I think of.

Stage 1) Until beating the first one

Frontline:
Elv RNG/WAR -> Primary Attacker
Elv PLD/WAR -> Tank
Hum BLM/WHM -> Primary Healer & MB/Nuke
One more RDM -> Secondary Attacker/Healer, Debuffs, Dispel & Refresh

Runner:
Taru RDM/BLM -> Left or Right one
Elv RDM/BLM -> Left or Right one

Stage 2) After beating the first one

Frontline:
Elv RNG/WAR -> Primary Attacker
Elv PLD/WAR -> Tank
Hum BLM/WHM -> Primary Healer & MB/Nuke
One more RDM -> Secondary Attacker/Healer, Debuffs, Dispel & Refresh

Runner:
Taru RDM/BLM -> Take the last one
Elv RDM/BLM -> Assist Sindinista

Stage 3) The last one

Frontline:
Elv RNG/WAR -> Primary Attacker
Elv PLD/WAR -> Tank
Hum BLM/WHM -> Primary Healer & MB/Nuke
One more RDM -> Secondary Attacker/Healer, Debuffs, Dispel & Refresh
Taru RDM/BLM -> Draw your Sword with Enthunder & help curing/debuff/dispel
Elv RDM/BLM -> Draw your Sword with Enthunder & help curing/debuff/dispel

RDMs have to have Blink or Stoneskin when they melee.

[Digital]

So is it basically easy sailing after the first one dies? It seems as long as Rage is dispelled it's not too much of a problem...granted there aren't any MP issues.

[Sindinista]

Thanks so much Apple Pie, time to talk to my other RDM friends for the last spot. ;)

[twylyght]

video isnt working :(

[Apple Pie]

OK, I took another one and this should be much better than the previous one.

http://www5.sppd.ne.jp/grendal/FF11/BCNM50.wmv

So, I got Forest Stone that is 500K worth as you see the end of this clip.

[Alcueid]

Thank you very much for the vid.

Had a few questions after watching it.
What is the macro to display recast on gravity that you were using?
Why were you using poison potions when you had stoneskin on? I thought that the poison potion would not help you stay awake so long as your stoneskin was up.

The shadowbind to cover for Gravity running off on the third sheep was smooth.

[AtraposBLM]

/recast "Gravity"
displays the time left until you can recast gravity. Works for all spells...in macro or out (specified that because you can't type /ma "Sleep II" <stnpc> and get the selection thing...only works in macro's)

[Apple Pie]

First of all, I add "/recast Glavity" line on each macro ^^; so that I can anytime check the timer.

e.g.)
/ma Haste <stpc>
/recast Glavity

/ma slow <t>
/recast Glavity

Second, to be honest, I didn't really have to use poison portions while I was running but I sometimes came close to the frontline. So, just in case I got slept. Well, we know we can manually disable stoneskin even though I sleep.

Finally, yeah, shadowbind was cool. Last time, we didn't think of this but this time she suggested us to do so and it worked pefect. So far 11 consecutive wins ^^v