Welcome to Bonecrafting 101, it's not a cheap or easy road (okay maybe a little cheap and a little easy) but I'm here to try and make it a lil cheaper and a lil easier :cool:

Back to the Basics

First off you need to get yourself ready for it. Crafting can be very fun, but also very time-consuming and very expensive. So you've come to this page to maybe get some recipes or maybe get some pointers on where to hunt, etc., but are you really sure you want to do Bonecrafting?

Bonecrafting doesn't really pay off until later levels when you can make things like Carapace Armor and Carapace Rings +1, so while everyone else is raking in loads of cash with Goldsmithing, or making tons of food using cooking, your stuck chipping away at a bone fragment grumbling to yourself for awhile, remember that even though theres pays off now, yours pays off in the end. If you truly stick tih it, the materials to make high quality items are very easy to get and once crafted sell for kudo $$$. But thats around 60+ :sweat: :sweat: :sweat:

So you still wanna do it? I haven't scared you off yet? Well then on with my discussion....


In the beginning...

Okay first off ya need to know about the Crafting Guild. It's in Windurst Woods right by the Auction House. No staring at the Mithra! :mad: Here you can get your Sysnthesis Support and some advice on what to make, but just between you and me, they don't always tell ya the best thing to make. It could be too hard, or too easy, or be really expensive yada yada yada. I'll explain in this guide the quickest and cheapest way to get your skill up, mine is only around 30 atm because im being cheap with my beetle jaws :thumbsup: But anyway back to the guide....

Compendium of Recipes

Ok I started typing out the chart from my game guide and I realized what a COMPLETE waste of time that is. There is a plethora of websites out there with table support that can do it better than me on these forums. Ill post some links at the bottom of the page for more support. But what I WILL include is what I crafted and for what levels to get my crafting up the fastest and cheapest. None of these require a secondary crafting skill, but they will need imaging most likely.

Ok...

(1-3) Bone Hairpin .... 1 Bone Chip .... Wind Crystal
(3-7) Shell Ring ....... Fish Scales/Sea Shell ..... Wind Crystal
(7-15) Bone Ring ...... Sheep Tooth/Bone Chip .... Wind Crystal
(15-20) Bone Mask .... Sheep Leather/Bone Chip/Giant Femur ..... Earth Crystal
(20-25) Beetle Ring .... Beetle Jaw ..... Wind Crystal
(25-30) Beetle Mask ... Beetle Jaw/Lizard Skin ....... Earth Crystal


Where to farm to get your items

I got lazy and just cut and pasted from my previous thread in Bonecrafting... Good supply spots or something or another.

Well heres another jot of info from good ol Kujata.

At low levels, the main thing you are going to need is

1.) Bone Chips
2.) Sheep Teeth
3.) Fish Scales
4.) Giant Femurs
5.) Seashells
6.) Beetle Jaws
7.) Sheep leather
8.) Lizard skins
9.) Clusters!!!

With just those items I pretty much got my bonecrafting to 30, and I'm a big cheapskate so I farmed everything but the Seashells.

1.) Best place for these is Gusgen Mines. They drop off of the skeleton warriors, but I preffered taking on the wights and wendigos further in just to have a lil farther in, and remember you can steal bone chips too don't ask me why.

2.) You can do double duty here. My suggestion is to get some kind of aoe and train a ton of sheep and nukage them. I used a lvl 50 thf/nin for most of my farming, I would train between 10-13 sheep, then use cyclone. You'll get sheepskins and Sheep teeth, but I'll go more into the skins lata.

3.) This part may make you mad but you can only steal these from Pugils. I actually decided it was a waste of time, bit the bullet and bought em for like 2000 gil a stack on Kujata.

4.) I had lots of fun doing this. You get these from Dhalmel-type monsters, you can find them in Tahrongi Canyon, or Buburimu Peninsula. I don't know about the drop rate in Tahrongi I only farmed in Buburimu, but its so much fun to get like 4-5 dhalmels together and Cyclone them

5.) Unless you have way more time on your hands then you know what to do with, buy these in the AH. These drop off of Squid-type monsters, only place I know to find them without fishing them up is Korroloka Tunnel, and there arent many. If you truly don't wanna buy em I would say go fishing with a Composite Rod and maybe some sliced sardine in Qufim, you should catch quite a few.

6.) I don't know about your server, but on Kujata these dumb things cost 10-11k per stack You will go through a LOT of these around 18-30. My best advice is to take a character through level 38-42 fighting the beetles in Crawlers Nest and offer to make stuff for ppl who let you have the jaws. Also you can take a level 34-38 character through East Altepa. You can try farming them, maybe the ones in Jugner Forest will drop some, I farmed em for awhile with my 50 thf and got 0 .

7.) This is incredibly easy. Buy yourself or farm yourself about 3-5 stacks or clusters of dark crystals, get the same amount of windurstian tea leaves (very very cheap) and the same amount of distilled water and take it with you to Konschat Highlands. When your killing the sheep, every time a sheepskin drops immediately turn it into a stackable item by crafting it with 1 dark crystal, 1 tea leaf, and 1 dist water. Its a 0-2 leathercrafting skill, will hardly ever fail, even on lights day. And any left overs you can sell on the Auction House for ~9000 gil a stack

8.) I would suggest lvling up a weapon that you've never used for this one and I'll explain why. You get these from Lizards (obviously) but its not a really really common drop, so it may take a while to get any substantial amount. I would suggest leveling a weapon from 1-15 on the lizards in S Gustaberg (maybe keep an eye out for leaping lizzy ) the move onto the Konschat Highlands til skill 30ish (keep an eye out for tremor rams which drop horns you will need later, Mary for a quest in San Doria, and Rampaging Ram for a quest in Bastok) then go into the Dunes and kill lizards (Maybe some gobbies too to break the monotony). If you find they arent giving you much skill check out the lizards in Sauramongue Champaigne (sp?) and if your high enough level go into Davoi. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe higher level monsters have higher common item drop rates. (ie: easier for a lizard skin to drop off of a lizard in Sauramongue than South Gustaberg)

9.) Well you can get all your crystals for free too I almost forgot^^ You can find a lot of Wind Elementals around the edges of the ravines on windy days in la theine, its windy a lot. In Konschat Earth elementals spawn by the little exit from the tunnel-like first part, in the little cave where the Forger can be spawned for the Samurai flag (worms near there) and a few more spots maybe but I've never checked. And in Valkurm one always spawns just outside the sand bat tunnel if your hunting lizards. Elementals are good for raising weapon skill as well considering it takes 50 million hits with a low lvl weapon to kill it :sweat:

And so it ends...

Well guys would love some feedback on watcha think, I'll be adding more once I get my bonecraft up higher :biggrin: But I am currently outfitting a lvl 40 paladin, a level 40 ninja, a lvl 50 thf, and oh so much more, so im spending a lotta money lately no time for crafting unless I farm all teh items :(

Links

Theres not many sites I trust but I was browsing around in killing ifrits and it seemed pretty good. I used the strategy guide, but im bout to have to use something else because the piece of junk is OUTDATED:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: . But oh well heres the link.

Killing Ifrits Guild List (http://www.killingifrit.com/list.php?c=guilds)

Hehe not many ppl like bonecrafting...buti do....good list! and item lists......ur guide helps me alot now and u should of put Shell Earring too...same as Shell Ring just different items..... very good and detailed...hehe my crafting is lvl 3..maybe even 2..but im making shell earings and rings with the support!!....havent been crafting much lately <bout to get subjob> well cant wait for the next update!!! peace!

Are you sure that beetle rings are good until 25? And you think that Bone Masks should be used instead of beetle rings for 16-20? Because I'm 16 right now (have been for a while, been working on woodworking more lately), but I've grown about .5 making beetle rings. As long as I get the advanced synthesis support, I have an ok success rate, and when I fail, I don't seem to lose the beetle jaw...

Anyway, I'm glad someone's spent the time to put in at least a small boneworking guide. It gets really expensive around lvl 15/16, and I've been wondering what is the best way to lvl up. Sheep leather, imo, is too expensive to lvl with.

Cometgreen, who loves bonecrafting

The good thing about sheepleather though is, you need leathercrafting skill for a lot of your armor sets in Bonecrafting, so you either buy or farm yourself some dark crystals, and then get some tea leaves and some distilled water (veryy very cheap) and go farm the sheepskins. Youll get 2 lvls in Leathercrafting just making the skins, and if you make more leather than you need, hop over to La Theine and bang up a few elementals and turn all of that extra leather into leather headbands. Your gonna hae to invest in Leathercrafting sometime if you REALLY wanna make the good money. :thumbsup: Good luck, I think I'm about to start making some horn rings soon w00t!!!


P.S.

Those crafting recipes I gave you will give you the most money back for your effort. The bone masks sell good in the store as well as the AH and you'll make your money back from the leathers easy. Also those recipes raise your skill the fastest, yes you can make the beetle rings at lower levels, but the masks will actually raise your skill faster, because it wont fail as much. Plus you can farm all the materials which is A+ in my book :thumbsup:

i like bonecrafting :biggrin: cost me 25,000 to get to initate though with no profits :( it will pay off though

Hers another recipe that I am adding:

At ~28 make Beetle Arrowheads. 1 beetle Jaw and 1 Bone chip, and 1 Wind Crystal. Very easy to make, gets your skill up fast^^

At ~32-33 make Fang Arrowheads (YAY) This is what I am on now, and I love it because while I'm waiting for a party I can pop out into Battalia Downs and farm Tigers (YAY).

I'll tell ya how it works out^^. Btw I havent seen this recipe on any of the recipe websites, dunno why.... so I don't know how far its gonna take me, but I plan on making Bone Knives at ~36-37

Good Luck :thumbsup:

I'm at level 36 boneccrafting and I realized that Bone Knives are very expensive to make (walnut lumber = 18k a stack on Kujata) so count that out. What I did waws make Horn Rings and bought all the materials and sold em back ot the guild for no profit, no loss until 35 then farmed fangs and am making fang arrowheads atm. Ill tell ya what I cap at lata^^ G'Luck:thumbsup:

lol i havent been on FFXI in awhile and i had 5wind crystals and 7k so i bought 6 seashells and my bone is now lvl 3 yay.....


do u know how to get the next rank???? who do i talk to??

the guild leader


currently have my bonecrafting at level 10...what i did was pretty foolish, however. i went from bone hairpns to bone arrowheads (2 bone + wind crystal) then straight to bone rings :sweat:

failed synths flowing like eggs and honey...not a pretty sight

i think i lost around 15K getting my skill up to 10...but i was attempting a recipe that probably had a 35% success rate (at the time) and bought every single item to make those rings

eventually i got my THF up to 15 and started farming the materials myself...but am having NO LUCK on the sheep teeth in valkurm. for every ONE tooth i have a stack of sheep meat and round 4 sheepskins...the teeth drop rate is unnacceptable IMO =\

anyway...i've got 7 stacks of farmed wind crystals in my mog safe and 12 stacks of farmed bonechips in teh mule's safe...so i'm ready to raise my skill on bone rings...as soon as i get them teet!


i'm seriously starting to consider BST as my main job, however...and that job almost requires some expertise in cooking ; ;

WoW lots of money for just lvl 10.....im lvl 3 still.......and ive been getting very lil profits.....shell earrings sell back for like 20 gil profit.........what lvl do u have to be to go to next rank ??

you can take the test at 8

Just for the record, I have over 50 goldsmithing and still can not make a decient profit.

Some things wield very little profit but not enough to fund how much it costs for each skillup combine.

My skill is at 9.1 right now and I took the test for recruit, but now I'm stuck on what to make. I have a very, very low success rate with Bone rings. I have about 20k left and want to get my skill up the best way I can with only 20k in mind. If this isn't possible I guess I'll have to farm for some gil and take a break.

Nice guide, i hope you can add more to it soon, ill make it a stick anyhow. also nice contribution shadowstalkerXI.

My boneworking is 7 and I tried skilling up by making Bone Rings, but they failed more than half the time, and when they do succeed I don't get skill up oftens, like .1 every couple of rings ><

maybe you should make bone arrow heads until you reach level 8, then take the exam to reach 10 and *then* continue with the bone rings. I'm only at level 6 myself but if you're worried about the success rate then you can try something a little easier until you can the exam.

Actually, bone rings will keep giving you skill ups until 18. I kept doing them unti lt that point, did bone masks until 19.6, then switched to beetle rings. I quit beetle rings at 24.8. I am now making gelatin. The recipe is 1 Giant Femur + 1 Distilled Water + Fire Crystal = 4 Gelatin. On my server, Giant femurs are only 400-600 per femur, and gelatin is 2k-2.9k per stack.

Also, if you are in a LS, ask people for help. The majority of bonecrafting materials are fairly "worthless" and I haven't bought any materials since 13 skill.

One more thing is to remember excavation. I go excavating in Tahrongi Canyon and Shakhrami Maze just about every day now. Costs about 2.4k for 12 pickaxes. I can dig up chicken bones, giant femurs, bat fangs, bone chips, scorpion shells, turtle shells, all kinds of materials.

The worst material I've farmed so far is the beetle jaw. The drop rate is abysmal.

That's all my advice. I'm at 25 skill now.

I just got my bonecrafting to 6, i'm working with bone arrowheads right now. I've seen that the max lvl for those is 9, so im planning to stick with them until then. I was planning to attempt bone rings at 9, but now i'm giving that some more thought after reading this thread. Also i really hate crafting tons of lower lvl rings..takes forever to get rid of them all. I made so many shell rings... still trying to sell those.

LoL i know how u feel im still selling a shell ring from 2months ago................................i put it in my bazarr for 30 gil ! still no buy ^^

Hmm, I never had much of a problem selling my shell rings, I probably didn't make as many as you did though. I only made shell rings when I had space in the AH to put them.
I still have two shell rings that I kept and they're both +1 rings so I wear em, just for now, I'll change em eventually, lol.

My bone craft skill is level 9 and I make bone earrings. Well... I've really only made 2 so far but bone earrings is what I'm gonna focus on next.
Pretty simple receipe, I can mine the bone chips and buy brass ingots for a very small price in bastok compared to other regions.
I don't travel cities everyday or anything, I just buy a lot of what I know I'm gonna want then store em in my mog safe until I wanna use them.

In response to the first poster, I find it to be good advice, but I don't think it's very good to start trying to make the bone ring at level 7. I tried, and I only had about a 40% success rate, the materials are cheaper yes which is why I know you used it, but I figure for me personally I'll stay with bone earrings till.... level 11 or so and *then* I'll go to bone rings.
Just a matter of personal taste.

This is a good thread overall though, very helpful for am amature.... (well recruit) bone worker, lol.

just sell the shell rings to npc shops/boneworking guild itself

lol, now that I think about it that's what I used to do with em. The price in the AH was either the same or not much better than the store price so I just sold the items back to the guild for instant cash. All you guys who need to rid yourselves of shell rings should sell it back to the guild unless of course it's a +1 item...... which you couldn't sell back even if you wanted to, at least not through their normal inventory...

I'm kinda curious about something that doesn't really have to do with synthing for the bone weavers, it's more to do with the collecting of materials for them.

I reside in windurst on the game and I recently started going to tahrongi canyon to mine my own materials. Now, this is my first day doing it but with the loss of 4 pick axes I mined up 2 turtle shells, 3 chicken bones, 3 bone chips and 2 bat fangs. There was also a little worm but i dropped that cause i had no more inventory space, lol.

Now, I paid about 2,900 gil for a stack of 12 pick axes, but the stuff I dug up altogether was worth about 8000 gil and I only used a third of my axes.
What I want to know is, did I just get some lucky digs because if not I don't see why everyone doesn't just farm for materials. I mean, the turtle shells are worth 2000 each and I can't use them for a good while cause I'm only rank 9 so I sold those, 4000 total. Chicken bones I *could* use for gelatin, but they're worth 1000 each and a stack of gelatin is only worth 2,900 so I ain't gonna waste my gil on that, lol. It takes two chicken bones and a distilled water to make one gelatin which is about 2000 gil's worth of materials right there. I dug up 3 of those and sold em for 3000 gil profit.

The bone chips and bat fangs are the only things I kept.

If it really is this much more profitable to mine your own stuff then I'll be able to start buying crystals soon enough instead of working for them with all the extra gil.
Heh, 1 turtle shell could buy me a stack of wind crystals with gil to spare, gotta love it.



Btw, anyone have any suggestions for a boneworker at skill level 9? I've already taken the exam so my rank title is recruit.
Btw, does taking the exam improve ur odds of success or does it just raise the cap?
I figure right now I'll just stick to making Bone Earrings, I travel to Bastok for the brass ingots and farm the bone chips. Get about 500 profit off that. Can anyone tell me if the Fang Necklace would be a good follow up? Or should I just go straight to Bone Ring?
Any help would be appreciated, thanks!


P.S. Sorry for the long post, lol

Thanks for the Great thread. im happy too see im not the only one who has taken up bonecrafting im lvl 62 now... still not makeing any sort of profit :confused: But im almost @ 72 where i can make the +3 Int and Mnd rings they go for about 100k each on fenrir and cost maybe 5k @ most too make +3 is the +1type of its kind thou so its still rare :zzz: But i hope we can have more people poston Bonecrafting as i spend about 100k on 1 maybe 2 skill up's atm :angel: would be nice too get a little help from here on out. BTW nice thing i found at lvl 50 was i was able too make Scorpian Rings lvl 60 skill with advance synth support these cost very little too make and sell well too npc got me all the way too 60 with very littl cash lost. any sorry too drag on for so long and thanks for the thread again hope too hear more soon. bye. btw this is my first post... Hello! :thumbsup:

Hello again :confused:
fogot too but this in my last msg but i just recently made a Titanicus shell there arnt any in the AH in Fenrir apart fom the one i bought and sold for 1gil G_G and i was woundering does anyone know what i use this for/too make or how much its worth.
Thanks :)

Very high lvl bone craft is it used for:

Gavial Cuisses Bonecraft (94) and Leathercraft (0)
Gavial Finger Gauntlets Bonecraft (96)
Gavial Greaves Bonecraft (99)
Gavial Mask Bonecraft (100)

but u can make the Titanicus shell (main Part in all of these) @ lvl 37BC with [Thunder crystal & Titanicus(20k on Fenrir)]
Just made one the other Day there was none ever sold in AH so i stuck it in for 200k... well i can only hope..... LOL!:spin: :)

niiice...post if and when it sells

something eles i forgot about is from lvl 53-60 when u make Scorp rings a good way too save money is too De-synth the item after (ie. Scorpian Ring + Thunder crystal = Scorpian shell) that way u can sit in windurst for hours just poping to the AH every now and again for more crystals :thumbsup:

Hmm, can you do that with any item? Say.... After I make a bone ring with a wind crystal, bone chip, and sheep tooth. I take a bone ring and lightning crystal to get my materials back?

I can break even by selling my rings, even make a profit if I sell in jeuno but If I could I'd rather just reuse the materials to get more points rather than make 12 bone rings at a time then have to try to get rid of them.... sighs.

Well after much fun last night I'm now a lvl 14 Bone worker and I think rather than continue with the bone rings I'm just gonna move on to bone mask right now.

Your advice for the sheep leather is interesting (to first poster) but also a lil time consuming :p, lol. I'm gonna check the AH prices for that stuff (with help from my LS members) and if it's as expensive as you say and I truely won't make a profit by buying them then I'll take your advice.

The way I figure it though.... if I buy a stack of sheep leather for 9000k (which is 750/leather) or even less, then farm my bone chips and giant femurs (which I do all the time) I should still make a profit because all bone stuff on my server goes for about 1k+
I'll have to double check that of course since it's a while since I was wearing the stuff but if I'm write then I can make around 250 per mask and save much time, lol.


Main reason I came to post..... can anyone tell me where I could find Ram Horns for future..... and can you buy Shall Shells or do you *have* to kill whatever drops them.

Thanks in advance...

Ram horns are droped by Tremor rams in Kon Highlands & another Ram in la thine cant remember second ones name. :confused: (Edit Lumbering Lambert.)
And shall shells can be fished up or droped by Pugils.
but they are a tad rare >_<;;

Sounds like I'll be taking a trip to rolanberry then. Possibly la thien too..... unless the horns are cheap, cause then I'll just buy em. They cost 6k in the boneweavers guild shop :confused:

I decided not to bother with the shall shell's after discovering that you can't buy them or trade them....

Right now I'm lvl 16 boneworker (yes i'm rising) and I'm making bone masks. I could make the masks until lvl 20 like the initial poster suggested but that makes it kinda hard to sell em steadily so I think I'll make some mittens too. Mittens required two sheep leather but luckily in bastok on my server bone mittens go for 2k so I'll still make a profit seeing as sheep leather goes for about 700 gil each and I farm my bone chips and giant femurs.

That'll take me to 20 with relative ease I'd say. Then I'll start on the bone axe, bone leggings, or bone pick and then switch to Beetle Rings around 22-23.

Also they drop from Tremor rams in Konschtat Highlands too my friend fought it once and got 3 horns 2 skins and something else

Awesome, I'll remember all of that because the prices of Ram Horns is 1500 gil. Not bad.... but not low enough for me to actually make a profit.

Hi there, just want to know, I'm lv 17 bonecraft at the momment, so I'm comming to the point where I'll have to racket a omega lot of those beetle jaws to continue my skilling. Do any of you know which NORMAL beetle have the highest jaw-drop? I know I could buy those from the AH, but I want to skill up the slow, 90% profit way, meaning by farming nearly everything.

Hey Goudaba. I'm in the same boat as you. LvL 17 Bone Crafter who's at the point where he's gonna need a lot of beetle jaws soon.

The original poster stated this as advice.........

6.) I don't know about your server, but on Kujata these dumb things cost 10-11k per stack You will go through a LOT of these around 18-30. My best advice is to take a character through level 38-42 fighting the beetles in Crawlers Nest and offer to make stuff for ppl who let you have the jaws. Also you can take a level 34-38 character through East Altepa. You can try farming them, maybe the ones in Jugner Forest will drop some, I farmed em for awhile with my 50 thf and got 0 .

....I'm only lvl 30 though so unless those in junger drop some I'm gonna have to put a hold on my crafting for a while. At least after I reach 20 or so where the bone mask and mittens will discontinue giving me skill up points.

I'm gonna do a little hunting for info so if I learn of anything I'll post it back here.

u can farm them in Qufim Island near Delfulks Tower:handsdown :handsdown :handsdown

....there are beetles in Qufim? Which monster are you talking about specifically? ...and is it outside the tower? You said near the lower tower, but I don't know if you mean in or out.

outside the tower

lol sry bout that post from Riceman.....it was me ....i was at a friends computer and didnt notice he was logged in :o

Originally posted by Target_Master
....there are beetles in Qufim? Which monster are you talking about specifically? ...and is it outside the tower? You said near the lower tower, but I don't know if you mean in or out.
There are not, in fact, beetles on Qufim. There are wight spawns all over the island at night, and they drop bone fragments with decent frequency, plus the newbies will love you because they inevitably aggro the entire island. Just make sure to stay anon if you can cast raise, otherwise you'll never get any farming done for the helping people.

r u positive??? im almost positive i saw Riceman getting a bettle jaw in there............................................. .............................99% sure lol:mad:

I decided not to bother farming beetle jaws. These things cost 10-13k a stack yet only 6-700gil seperate.
Now..... I don't know who makes the logic behind the AH's.... but...... 700x12 is only 8,600 and 600x12 is only 7,200.
I buy my jaws for that price, but I also resell jaws for a profit. I find it extremely funny, just yesterday I bought 12 jaws for 7,200 and resold them for 16,000. Why someone paid that much I'll never know, but it's good profit for me.

Anyways, on topic. Making beetle jaws is good because I rarely fail and I can sell them for about 900-1000gil and they sell really fast too. I don't make much profit off them, but I make profit nonetheless.

I'm having more fun leveling my ranger/thief to bother with farming beetle jaws, lol.

Level 19 Bone worker now too :)

....and I'm still 99.9% sure that you can't get beetle jaws in Qufim.

Originally posted by PedaTeda
r u positive??? im almost positive i saw Riceman getting a bettle jaw in there............................................. .............................99% sure lol:mad:
Unfortunately, your sureness doesn't exactly align with facts. See mystery tour (http://mysterytour.web.infoseek.co.jp/ffxi/us/monster/008qufim.htm) for details.

And yeah, farming beetle jaws is kind of silly. I've 'farmed' a few stacks just by leveling on helm beetles in Quicksands and chamber beetles in Garlaige, but it'd be a waste of my time to specificly farm those parts at this point. Better to just farm cash and buy more jaws than I could farm in the same time.

For sure, I'm glad I didn't bother farming beetle jaws. I buy all of my jaws for 500-700 gil... *sometimes* 800 but that's very rare.

When I sell the beetle rings I get between 800-1000 gil. They go for even more in jeuno but I can't be bothered to ride down there just to make a few hundred more gil, it's not worth the time or money required to get there.

I've already planned out the items I'll most likely make after I'm done with these rings....
I'm at lvl 20 bonecrafting and decided to forecast what I'll make before lvl 40 bonecrating....

Beetle Ring > Beetle Earring(?) > Beetle Mask/Gelatin > Horn Hairpin (?) > Beetle Gorget > Beetle Arrowheads >
> Turtle Shield > Horn Ring(?) > Fang Arrowhead > Bone Cudgel

Those are the items I'm looking at. If anyone see's anything wrong with me thinking about making any of those items then tell me why and I'll look into my decesion.

Thanks in advance!

Level 24.3 boneworker now. I figure I'll retire from my beetle rings, I made about 40 last night and went from 20-24 and got 3 +1 rings which sell for 4-5k each. Sweet deal.

Now I'll be moving onto gelatin which will be 100% profit (with the exception of crystals maybe). All I have to do is go to the canyon and mine up femurs and bonechips then synth while i'm out there. I won't have image support but i'll be able to stack the femurs everytime I dig one up if I use that method. Plus I won't be losing gil so who cares. I'll probably buy......4 stacks of wind crystals then take the bone chips I already have, 3 stacks of pick axes and have a field day.
I have mining gear too so it should be quite an eventful day.

Stacks of gelatin go for 2400 gil if I'm not mistaken so other than the......400 gil or so per 3 crystals that it'll take me to make a stack that's 2k profit per stack.

This will take me to 28 in boneworking if I'm not mistaken so I'll get that by today or tomorrow.



Anyone have any suggestions for where I should be heading after that in terms of synthing?

Ok, Beetle Masks and gelatin for me right now.

Gelatin sells for 2k a stack and is almost 100% profit because I mine the femurs in tahrongi canyon.
I also do beetle masks so that I can have some variety in what I sell to keep the profits rolling in. Beetle Masks only nets about 200 gil profit though.


Does anyone know where I could get cheap silver earrings to make beetle earrings? All the one's I've seen cost like 2k to buy and I'd lose gil if I was to try synthing Beetle Earrings...

I just wanted to say thank you so much for the list :) I'll try it and hopefully it will help me skill up. Thanks!

For the silver earrings, you could TRY to fish them in mhaura, but be warn that the chances of getting one is rare, or you could start leveling goldsmith and mine your own silver, selling other ores.

I haven't posted on this for a while....

Level 31.5 boneworker now. I'd be higher but haven't been playing all that much recently.

I skipped making Beetle Earrings due to the fact that they cost too much to make. The only one I made was the one I needed to pass the exam.

Getting to 28 in Bonecraft was enjoyable since I had two good items to make. Mixing up my synths enabled me to maintain a stead flow of income coming back rather than making 30 beetle masks only to have 3 sell a day for 2 weeks.
The gelatin stacks sell a little slower than the masks though, so I made more beetle masks than gelatin stacks.

After reaching lvl 27-28 I tried making some Beetle Leggings only to discover after a 40% success rate that I needed a rank of 8 in leather craft to help with the bonecraft. So I skipped making any more of those and went to beetle arrowheads.

Now these are good, costs about ..... 1200-1500 to make a stack and they sell for 2k.
They also sell extremely fast in Sandoria which makes sense because the woodworkers guild is there.

After I'm done with these I'm either gonna try and hunt down some cheap turtle shells to make turtle shields with and resell them to the guild or I'll skip over that and go for the Horn Rings.
I don't expect those to sell well in the ah though.... by that level all ranger only buy the +1 rings for the most part.
I may possibly have to stretch a bit and go for fang arrowheads but I hear those don't generate any profit at all (unless you farm the black tiger fangs). We'll see, I could always bite the bullet just to get past a few levels.

...that's all from me.

Heya, just started bonecrafting this weekend for the sole purpose of getting those awesome-looking sunglasses. Problem is I seem to have O.C.D. Got OBSESSED with it and ground out 30 skill in 3 days.

Hopefully we can revitalize this thread a bit. Tonight I'm thinking about farming the hell out of the sheep in ronfaure, latheine, valkurm, getting leathercraft up to the 9-11 range then having some more options beyond throwing away gil on ram horns or making fang arrowheads (dunno if they sell well.)

Arrowheads sell really well but if you buy your materials you usually end up at a loss.
Fang arrowheads on my server flucuate between 1000-1500 gil. 1000 = bad, 1500 = break even or so. That's if you buy your stuff.

Horn arrowheads I haven't checked yet, and if I did I don't remember what the price was.

Getting your leathercraft up is a good idea though, I just recently finished getting it high enough so that making beetle armor would raise my leathercraft. Beetle stuff makes me about 1k profit and it'll raise my leathercraft to 9. I got it to 7 using..... hmm, sheepwool > rabbit mantles... there was something before sheep wool.... or after it, but I don't remember. Once you get to 7 thought you can make bettle stuff then carapace stuff and keep sailing. If you wanna make scorpion stuff however.... you'll have to build leathercrafting on it's own because you need 31 to make scoripion gear.

I'm gonna go with bone knives for a while then switch up to Carapace Rings.

Have fun dude

I'm plesantly suprised with how well beetle arrowheads sell. Expecially after the horror of bone arrowheads. $2,400/dozen in sandoria. This is one of the few synths I've found that is actually a legitimate profit.

Wind Crystal - 160
Beetle Jaw - 600
Bone Chip - 150
= 910 gil for a 1,200 gil synth.

And yeah, I did leathercraft to 5 last night....god LORD it is expensive. I foolishly did the sheepskins -> sheep leather -> headbands route instead of doing sheep wool.

Dark Crystal = 2500/dz
Wind Crystal = 1900/dz
Tea Leaves = 450/dz
Water = 300/dz
Sheepskins = 1800/dz
= 6950 in costs

assuming no failures, I'd get 12 leather bandannas which sold for about 144 apiece, iirc...
= 1728 in profit.
Net loss of $5,222/dz. And I did 3 stacks. /cry

So now I'm at skill 5, and except for rabbit mantles, which have already slowed down and cap at 7, every recipe for the next 10 levels or so uses at least two sheep leather or two lizard skins. I'm hoping to cap it at 7, then use the cross-skilling to raise it through to the teens. Dhalmel leather will be easy, as I can farm the hell out of dhalmels in bubirmu, craft leather on the spot, do something with the femurs and resell the meat.

Originally posted by Target_Master
I'm gonna go with bone knives for a while then switch up to Carapace Rings.

I'm sitting at 38 right now, did fang arrowheads for a bit and they do not sell that well. I actually farmed all the parts though, since I could pop out to Batallia Downs while waiting for my party to get filled out. I looked into bone knives, and the walnut lumber is like 2100 gil a piece on my server, so I'm going to try and farm ram horns and do horn arrowheads till about level 43, whatever the cap is. And I'm going to start leveling leathercraft a bit more.

So during last night's full moon lightsday and darksday I synthed up a ton of beetle gear. Got bonecrafting and leathercrafting up about 2.5 and 3 points, respectively.

Omg I'm so broke. It will be better once all my beetle armor sells, but yeesh, I haven't had this little liquid gil since January...

Heh, I'm making beetle armor too to get my leathercraft up. It's at 8 right now, about 8.6 I'd say. A few more subligars and harnesses and I'll hit 9 which is the cap for now. That's set me pretty for making Carapace Armor which starts at 11.
I might make a few Solea's to get me to lvl 10 Leathercraft before I do that just to ensure success rate.

I'm still at lvl 37 Bonecraft too :p. I'm gonna look into the selling price of Bone Knives, if they don't go for at least 3k or so I won't bother with them but I suspect they might. The 2k for lumber kinda turns you off but if you think about it at such a high level crafters wouldn't sell the material so low that they'd lose gil. Break even at the worst I'd say but I think there may be a 500-1000 gil profit per knife, I just don't think they'll sell very well if anything.

I was gonna do Carapace Rings after but those sell at a loss, at least in the smaller cities. Mythril Ingot costs too much :p
I'll have to check the jeuno prices (since that's where all the high level rangers are) but if I can't break even with that synth, sigh..... Level 35-41 for bonecrafting is a hard hill to climb.

Once we get to Carapace Armor though it'll get better, that stuff sells in Jeuno about once or twice a day so if you just even out your synthing then you can sell at the same rate that you make so AH price doesn't decline.

Oh well, I'm done, later fellow crafters

Funny, I'm right there with you. 37 bonecraft and 8 leathercraft. I haven't been crafting at my insane pace lately just because these next few points look really brutal.

lol, I know dude. I know.

Fang Arrowhead 38 Wind Crystal Black Tiger Fang x1, Bone Chip x1
Bone Cudgel 39 Wind Crystal Giant Femur x1, Bone Chip x6, Grass Cloth x1
Bone Cudgel +1 39 Wind Crystal Giant Femur x1, Bone Chip x6, Grass Cloth x1

Bone Knife 41 Wind Crystal Walnut Lumber x1, Giant Femur x1

Bone Knife +1 41 Wind Crystal Walnut Lumber x1, Giant Femur x1

Carapace Ring 42 Goldsmithing (0) Wind Crystal Mythril Ingot x1, Crab Shell x1

Carapace Ring +1 42 Goldsmithing (0) Wind Crystal Mythril Ingot x1, Crab Shell x1
Horn Arrowheads 43 Wind Crystal Ram Horn x1, Bone Chip x1


Those are my options for the next little bit. I have yet to check the selling price of the Bone Cudgel. If it has a decent selling rate then I may use that to get to 39.

The bone knives and the Carapace rings both don't sell very often and when they do they sell it's pretty much at a loss. If I want to get past that point without hurting my wallet too much I'll have to try farming the materials but.... stuff like that gets boring really quickly because generally you find everything but what you actually want.

Oh well, I'll just raise it slowly until I get into the 50's. Then I'll just start making a bunch of lower level +1 synths to remake my gil so I can continue to skill up.

Do the Horn Arrowheads from 38 to 43, it worked out well for me and these were selling for like 2500 a stack in Windurst AND San D'Oria, so it wasn't hard to move these at all. I actually went out of town for a few days, and all the stacks I put up on AH were sold :biggrin: The bone cudgel or knife (can't remember) just didn't seem to be worth making for skill-up, since they too so long to sell. But now I don't know what to do, basically made 4 carapace masks and 4 horns last night at a lose, just to get .6 skill. So that's where I'm at right now. Should just work on leathercraft when I get a chance, get that up to 11 or so.

I also used a bunch of the extra bonecraft items I had lieing around, made a couple sets of bone and beetle gear (maybe 1 or 2 of each) and put myself in bazaar mode while I was gone. Sold a ton of stuff, so I went from dead broke to a little chunk to get some of my level 50 gear.

EDIT: forgot to mention, for the Horn Arrowheads I was just buying ram horns from San D'Oria and Jeuno. For some reason on my server they were well stocked, and usually sold for 1000 to 1200 in those two AH's. Everywhere else it was 1500.

Yeah, I think horn arrowheads are definitely the way to go for the next couple of levels. On Fairy I sold a stack of horn arrowheads for 3400 in sandoria, so assuming no botches (which won't happen), I'm just about breaking even. Maybe a modest profit.

I plan to level off of horn arrows till 40 or 41, then add another 2 points to leathercraft, then start on carapace gear. I just love cross-skilling. Nothing like seeing +.2/+.2 on a synth.

Hmm, I'll have to investigate these horn arrowheads then...

Aaah, new moon windsday...good time to be busting out with the horn arrowheads. Made about a gross of horn arrows, got somewhere around 1.8 skill. I'm close to 40 now.

In other news, I figured this would be a good time to make a signed spike necklace that I could wear and be proud of, so I bought the materials and the terra crystals and proceeded to make 3 fang necklaces in a row. >.<

so bummed out...


p.s. horn arrowheads dropped to 3200/dz. If its anything like beetle arrowheads, they will sharply drop in price right before I sell off my stash. /sigh.

Ok .. I'v got about 400k .. i wana start a good decent craft
will 200k get me to lvl 40 or 50?

I'm 43 bonecrafting now and to be honest i'm doing it mostly for the sunglasses lol, if anyone can tell me about possible money to make i might take it past 60... that would be great and might inspire me to take it high

I made some Bone Cudgels just to get myself up to 38 in Bonecrafting before I started on my Horn Arrowheads.
I made about 7 or 8 total and I've already sold 3 in a day so... they don't sell *that* bad. Not fantastic, but... they'll be gone by weeks end so I'm fine with that.

I made 5 stacks of Arrowheads. I was buying Ram Horns for 1k-1400 on my server. In windurst there were 2k+ :mad:
Luckily I have mules in Sandoria and Bastok :cool:
I got about 0.6-0.8 rise out of that, so I'm still 38 but I failed no synths so hey, not bad, not bad at all. I'll stay with this until I hit 43 at which point I'll start on Carapace Mittens in conjuction with Masks so I can mix up my sales.
Hmm... I'll probably do the Leggings and Subligar too but I'll use adv support when making those and nothing when making the first 2 items. That way the gil income will be constant so I can rebuy materials to keep getting more skill up points.




btw Foxion, 200k should get you to 45-50, maybe higher if you make the right things. Just do some research before you get too far into it.

Well... I had a frustrating and slightly eventful day bonecrafting.
I tried to make some Bone Earring's +1 because they only cost about 1k to make yet sell for 10-11k. Well... I figured if I made 12 of them at least one would be a +1 synth giving me a nice lil chunk of gil for relatively easy work.
What I failed to notice was that Bone Earring's require a 3 in Gold Smithing, now, I was already 2 in Gold Smithing so it didn't make a different to my success rate. It's just.. there's the fact that you need to be about 30 levels above what you're making if you want to have what we call a "decent" chance at making a +1 item.

So yeah, I ended up making 24 Bone Earrings without a single +1 item, and I did this on darksday with a 2% moon phase.
On the plus side..... I'm not lvl 3 in goldsmithing, lol.

I probably won't try for any more Bone Earrings now that I know that, the next best thing for a low lvl craft I can see would have to be the Spike Necklace. costs 2k to make, sells for 9-11k on my server. I'll just try to get my crafting skill to 45 or so before attempting to make one. They say it's best to be 40-50 above what you're making but I could live with 30, at least just to try it out.

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My next major crafting mission though lies with my horn arrowheads. I probably have about 40 Ram Horns spread out between my mules. I bought all the Ram Horns for 1-1.4k and when I sell them I'll sell for 3k+
This is 40 Ram Horms I bought from 100%-0% moon phase, by the time the moon rises back up I may have 60-80 ram horns, we'll see. I don't really have much gil left.

When I finally get around to crafting though.... I'll probably rise from 38.6 to 41 at the very least I would say. It's gonna be a very productive night of crafting when I get around to it.

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Btw guyincorporated, horn arrowheads (as well as all other items) usually drop in price at the full moon/new moon cycles. Seeing as that's generally when you always seem to sell that's why the price always goes down as you sell.
I mean... it kinda makes sense, if all the crafters wait for a full moon to craft then you're getting a huge rush of items onto the market. So then they have to price competitively and that causes prices to drop. If you want the best prices just wait until the moon phase is around 30 or 70% before you start selling. Your items won't sell as fast because the woodworkers won't be crafting as much but if the price is important to you then that's what ya gotta do.

I'll continue selling at the full moon phases though personally, I prefer to just get a nice amount of skill up points then offload my stuff to the other crafters quickly so I can get my gil back for other uses.

Originally posted by Target_Master
Btw guyincorporated, horn arrowheads (as well as all other items) usually drop in price at the full moon/new moon cycles.

I'll continue selling at the full moon phases though personally, I prefer to just get a nice amount of skill up points then offload my stuff to the other crafters quickly so I can get my gil back for other uses.

I dunno, I generally don't pay too much attention to the moon phases while crafting, although I may have to start now that skillups are slowing down.

And I'm with you. Money in the pocket is much better than a potential extra 200g/dz if I wait a week.

/undercuts market
/watches 5 new messages appear from guys bitching about people not understanding how economics work.

I'm making beetle harnasses to get leathercraft up. Did .9 skill up last night making 9 or 10 harnasses. Had one failure but only lost an earth crystal (I have TONS right now) and one lizard skin. On my server the price breakdown is looking like 8500 for a stack of lizard skins in San D'Oria (singles were 700 each, but not many in stock), 100 per beetle shell in Windy, and the harnass has been selling for 4000 solid in San D'Oria. So I'm spending roughly 2400 per harnass, for a 1600 profit. But I'm broke now, and waiting on all of these to sell. Once I hit 9, I'm going to start doing carpace armor to get dual skill ups.

And as for moon, day, etc., the moon phase is nice, but for skill ups I'm just concerned with the day for now. There was a nice element table somewhere on this forum, maybe in a woodworking thread. Been using that.

I didn't used to pay too much attention to the moon phase, but hey. When the items you're using cost 1500 gil each you start to care about failures a *little* bit more.
So my general pattern is if moon is 60% plus then it's good for crafting and I do MOST of my crafting at 80%+ and I always aim for lightsday or the matching element day for the crystal I'm using.

Also, if I'm attempting a +1 synth then I wait for the lowest moon phase that lands on darks day. Next time that comes around I'm gonna get enough supplies to make 12 fang necklaces and see if I get any spike necklaces ^.^
Even one would make me happy, that's a 7-9k profit. Kinda small, but it'll be a sign I'm getting closer to the big money, lol.

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I made beetle harnesses to get my leathercraft up as well a few levels back. My leathercraft as of right now is at 9. I'll either raise it when I start making Carapace Armor or I'll make some Soleas to raise it to 10 before proceeding to make my Carapace Armor.

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Anyways, I had an awesome crafting day today. I went from 38 -> 42.5 making horn arrowheads and only failed 2 synths. I'd probably have 43 in boneworking... but, when I hit lvl 40 I forgot to take the exam so I somewhat wasted 6 potential skill ups.
/fume
Oh well, I have a ton of stacks of horn arrowheads to sell but windsday is coming up and it's after 4pm eastern so I suspect that the north american woodworkers are gonna come home and see *gasp* 98/100% moon on windsday, time to craft and skill up!!!
At which point I will proceed to unload the better half of my horn arrowheads and then the rest can trickle out over the next few days.

Carapace Armor is obviously my next target with some Horn's to go on the side. It should be fun!

I did some more crafting today. Had a 0% Ice Day moon phase. So I tried making Spike Necklaces. :cool:

I successfully made 2 spike necklaces and on my server they sell for 10-11k and cost 2k to make so that's 8-9k raw profit. I made 8 Fang Necklaces which will be pretty much break even, and I failed 2 synths which is a loss of 2k each.
So.... Overall I made 16-18k total profit from just 2 Spike Necklaces and my Bonecrafting skill is only 42.5-42.9 <-- somewhere in there.

I see that gain as a sign of good things to come. The higher I get the more +1 synths I can make.

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Before the next full moon I'm gonna try to get my leather craft to 9, I thought it already was but it would seem not. Making a combination of 5-6 beetle harnesses and 5-6 beetle subligars should top me off though.

Then when the moon is full it's onto carapace armor. Sigh.... not enough gil for all of this.
*packs his field gear and pick axes so he can go mining*

I'll update you guys later, lol

Originally posted by Target_Master
Before the next full moon I'm gonna try to get my leather craft to 9, I thought it already was but it would seem not. Making a combination of 5-6 beetle harnesses and 5-6 beetle subligars should top me off though.

I made some beetle harnesses the other day, just waiting for them all to sell. The price on them fluctuates between 2800 and 4000 based on the city, but the one city they sell for 4000 it's solid on the price history. Materials cost about 2400 on my server.

But I'm split right now. Got a good tip on one item to level all the way to 50 right now, and get a profit, so I might put the leathercraft on the backburner for a little bit. I am going to farm some tigers though, and get tiger fangs to try and make some spike necklaces. I want to use naming crystals on them too :biggrin:

Good tip on an item to get to 50 with profit? In bonecrafting? The only thing I could maybe see which you could be talking about is a carapce gorget which caps at 49, I don't know how much that sells for, perhaps I'll find out.

Other item could be the Bone Rod... doubtful, that thing doesn't sell well.


Or the Astragalos which is another item I know nothing about.

It would be nice to have an alternative to Carapace Armor because that stuff doesn't sell exceptionally fast so it would take a long time to skill up...

Heyhey, a bunch of my horn arrowheads sold yesterday and I realized that I’m not nearly as broke has I had thought that I was. So I crafted more horn arrowheads up to 42 skill. Right now my biggest obstacle is just getting leathercraft from 8 to 10 so that I can start on the carapace gear. Seriously, I can’t believe how much of a money sink low-level leathercrafting is. Although, now that I’m looking at it, with 42 bone and 8 leather, I could totally make carapace mittens (44 bone, 11 leather cap). I should get decent skillups on both, and that would save me from having to throw away 20 or 30k making soleas or some other equally futile leathercraft item. I’ll probably do it with advanced leathercraft support. Plus then I can home-base in sandoria, where supplies are cheap and plentiful. So I think my new plan will be to get set up for a hard-core crafting spree during the next full moon lightsday.

p.s. I’m up to 14,000 guild points in bonecraft. Suddenly the 70,000 I need for my sunglasses seems a lot farther away…

Heh, I haven't played since Monday so I don't know if my horn arrowheads are gone or not. I think I have 10 more stacks to offload since I made so many all at once.

Unfortunately people selling have been undercutting it like mad so hte price has gone from about 3,200 to 2,300 in about 2 weeks but I'm standing firm with my price of 2,800. Eventually the price will go back up so I'll only lower my price if I desperately need the gil.

I'll probably get fed up before then though and work the price up myself. You know, get a Linkshell member to buy 10 stacks of hornarrowheads at around 3,100 gil so that the new sellers will only undercut to 2,900-3,000 and the people buying will pay higher prices. This doesn't always work, but by the time the price goes back down if I price my stuff at 2k or so then I should offload all of my gear before the price declines again, lol.

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If you want to raise your leathercrafting higher I think you should first raise your bonecrafting to 43 making horn arrowheads once your other ones sell and then make Carapace Mittens which is lvl 44 bonecraft, lvl 11 leathercraft. If you used adv leather support like you said then you'll get a nice amount of skill up's in leather to even it out.
Solea's isn't worth it in my opinion, you'll lose more money on that than on the carapace stuff.

....know what, I just re-read your post and realized that was your intention, oh well, I'm not gonna erase what I said, lol.

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Oh, and about those bone glasses, I won't get those until I'm making really good profit from the guild, the stuff they want me to donate would make me poor in a day if I tried to get enough, lol.

Actually, I really like the idea of guild points so far. Most of the stuff is pretty rough: they asked for cat bagnakhs yesterday. they're 500 at AH, and I got 27 (OUCH) guild points for them. afterwards I realized that the bonecrafters guild sold them for 220 or something. Oh well, I only bought one.

But I digress. The cool part is that the guildpoint system is allowing me to go back and start synthing things that are too easy for me, thus letting me start to get some HQ synths and understand the system better. About a week back, they asked for shell earrings, one of the very first things you make. So each earring cost about 330 gil to make, I got 80 or 90 guildpoints apiece, but more importantly, of the 20 or so that I made, I cranked out 5 HQ synths. Granted they sell slowly (1 every 2 days or so), but they sell for 2k apiece. So hey, I certainly turned a profit that time and I get some more experience popping out HQ synths.

Besides, I got into bonecrafting just for the sunglasses. They look so slick.

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Edit:
Oooh, I just found a very nifty recipe that may get us through the difficult period in leathercraft:

Lizard Cesti: Skillcap 17
Ingredients: Earth Crystal + Lizard Skin + Cesti

Apparently you can buy cesti from npcs for 150 gil or something, so it costs 700 or 800 gil to make an item that sells at AH for 1,000. An actual, genuine profit in low-level leathercraft. Amazing. Then, once I'm at 16 or 17, I'll be able to just rock the dhalmels in buburimu. I love farming those things, I'll just take 3 or 4 stacks of dark crystals and tea leaves and water out there and make leather on the spot. (I'm a 59 thief, so they were just paying off like crazy for me.)

I was an hour late for work today because I checked my mule and scorp. arrowheads were totally out of stock in Sandy. So I synthed about 12 stacks, got 0.9 skill up, and the first six sold before I was even logged out. So I'm going to check again in a few hours to see how the rest sold. There was A LOT of undercutting go on last week with them, so I stepped away from crafting for a few days. I'm getting the impression that Friday afternoon to Sunday evening are the worst time to put stuff up for sale, regardless of moon. Weekend crowds trying to move stuff fast, but that's good for the initial materials. I really don't know if I'm going to stop at 60, and take up another craft for a while, or stick this out. Also, I've been getting more guild points per item than guyincorporated mentions above. Maybe it's related to Windy fame?

OK, so I got my craft on. I started w/ carapace mittens at 42/8 bone/leather. Successful synths were selling back to the guild for 1450 - essentially no loss. Maybe 100 gil apiece, which I can certainly tolerate for double skillgains.

Mittens got me up past 43 and 9 skill, respectively, then I moved on to leggings. Hit 44/10. Problem is, legging sell really slowly in jeuno, but they sell for 5k, a profit I just can't justify denying myself by selling them back to the bonecrafting guild for $2,200.

So now I've got a fat pile of carapace leggings sitting in jeuno. if you're on fairy, I urge you to buy these fine products.

Btw, made fang necklaces on Windsday at 7% moon for guildpoints. 8 Synths, all with terra crystals. No HQ's. So I'm 0/12 now. Very, very cranky. Also, I realized that I'm only 4 points away from being able to get sunglasses, but I've still got 48,000 guildpoints to go. Yeesh...

Originally posted by guyincorporated
Btw, made fang necklaces on Windsday at 7% moon for guildpoints. 8 Synths, all with terra crystals. No HQ's. So I'm 0/12 now. Very, very cranky. Also, I realized that I'm only 4 points away from being able to get sunglasses, but I've still got 48,000 guildpoints to go. Yeesh...

The other week I did two runs of fang necklaces with terra crystals. First run was a 100% full moon on Lightsday and I was 3/13 on the HQ. Second run was like 2% (or maybe even 0%?) new moon on Lightsday, and I was 1/13. Some people in my LS traded their spike necklaces for signed ones, and I put the unsigned ones for sale at various times but they never sold... until I put them in Kazham and they sold quick. Even fang necklaces sold quick there. So if you need to move a lot, go to Kazham, I have a good feeling people will snatch them up.

And I'm sitting at 52.9 today. I tried doing like 8 scorp. arrowhead synths on a 88% moon darskday, and got zero skill up.

Finally got to 53 last night. Actually my last scorp. arrowhead synth gave a 0.2, so I was at 53.1 and left trying to figure out what to do next. Blood stones (wind crystal + giant femur + fiend blood + grass thread) cap at 57, and I had a few giant femurs on a mule and a couple stacks of wind crystals. Bought a few vials of fiend blood and grass threads (both were usually 100 each, or 1000 ~ 1200 a stack), synthed 6 blood stones and got another 0.4 skill up... but these sell for like 400 or 500 on AH and the giant femurs are often 800 in AH on my server :mad:

I tried 4 scorpion rings (wind crystal + scorpion shell), and failed twice, plus no skill up. And the Jeuno AH is flooded with these. So I'm not sure what I should do from here. I guess just figure out what's going to lose the least amount of money :(

OK... i need a quick breakdown on this.

What is the best day of the week/moonphase for skill ups? or how does the moon affect the stuff? I am not too worried about failed synths, but i just would liek to know how the moon affects the skill up rate.

and when (what level) can we start accumulating guild points?

Can i make beetle rings from 17-24/25 instead of using bone masks?... I don't like the idea of using 2 crafts at once at such a low level...

Especially for a non-profit synth, I'm only trying to get skillups right now.

Originally posted by Zelld
OK... i need a quick breakdown on this.

What is the best day of the week/moonphase for skill ups? or how does the moon affect the stuff? I am not too worried about failed synths, but i just would liek to know how the moon affects the skill up rate.

and when (what level) can we start accumulating guild points?

Check the link to the chart Basher included in his woodworking guide in the following thread:

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44627

It shows what days are good for skill-ups vs. HQ vs. losing fewer materials.

And you can start accumulating guild points at level 28 crafting after you pass the test for Novice rank.

Originally posted by Drynavere
Can i make beetle rings from 17-24/25 instead of using bone masks?... I don't like the idea of using 2 crafts at once at such a low level...

Especially for a non-profit synth, I'm only trying to get skillups right now.

My advice is to just keep doing the bone masks till you hit level 18, then test out for the next craft rank and start making beetle rings. If you started beetle rings earlier you'll have a lot of failures from 17 to 18 probably. Also you'll want to stop at 24 and probably do hairpins (Wind Crystal + Ram Horn /AND/ desynth: Lightning Crystal + Hairpin) from 24 to 29. And the bone masks do not cross synth with leather, they just use sheep leather. Not sure why that is, as the other bone and beetle armors are cross synths, but masks are straight bonecraft.

Also, cross-skilling is the greatest thing ever. Nothing like seeing +.4 crafting on a single synth.

Furthermore, leathercraft is SO awful to raise through 14 or so that you should leap upon any chance to help pull it up. That being said, I don't recall ever skilling up on masks. I did bone rings right up to the cap, as I believe they sold back to the guild at cost, then switched to beetle rings. Get advanced synth support, you won't botch much. If you get jaws pretty cheaply, I don't think you lose much cash.

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P.S.: Made another 6 fang necklaces trying to get a signed HQ. 0% Darksday: finally made 1 HQ. Now I can stop squandering my guildpoints on terra crystals. (38K guildpoints now =D )

hehe i just got Lv89 bonecraft tonight and got some cool orange specs yesturday with guild points. Honestly the only way to make any money with bonecrafting is to HQ~ even then seems really hard to sell the HQ.

Congrats on the specs. I can't wait for mine. So you find it to be less-than-rewarding? As a veteran, would you mind elaborating a bit more? Anything notable we have to look forward to in 50+ skill?

its pretty cheap all the way till around 75~ or so when ever it is you get into coral equipment. Starts to get expensive then. Then anything that requires demon horns(15-17k on Bismarck) and HQ crab shells(14-17k) really start to set you back.

Things worth trying to HQ on~
Erimite+1 ring
Saintly+1 ring
Eris Earring+1
Demons Ring+1

thats about all i've found to make any money off of... but the HQ rings i crafted are very far and few between.

But~ can make Scorpion Harness and i do make a bit of money there charging people to have one made. 100k for synth 500k if HQ.

Ok so my bonecraft skill just hit 33 last night, horray!

What I'm curioius about, is after I'm done with horn rings at level 37, which should make me some nice profit when I farm Tremor Rams for the horns... What can I make to take me to 40-ish?...

I know that bone knife is a very expensive recipe, and I hate the fact of having like 20-30 bone knives that I just made, and waiting days and days on AH to sell them, because only 2-3 sell a day. Is there anything that stacks that I can make, such as more arrowheads, or just anything else besides bone knives that won't net me too much loss if I fail?

Originally posted by Drynavere
What I'm curioius about, is after I'm done with horn rings at level 37, which should make me some nice profit when I farm Tremor Rams for the horns... What can I make to take me to 40-ish?...

Congrats on 33. Here's what I suggest to take you to the early 40's:

[36-38] Fang Arrowheads: Wind Crystal + Black Tiger Fang + Bone Chip
[38-43] Horn Arrowheads: Wind Crystal + Ram Horn + Bone Chip

Maybe make some knives to break the monotny, but arrowheads usually sell pretty quickly at the San D'Oria AH.

I'm trying to reach 60 doing scorpion rings. I'm burning up money whenever I do a brief crafting run.

i just made rings up to 60~ with little to no loss npc'ing them or desynth

Now I'm rollin' :)

Since 54.0 I decided I would try and get all the materials myself figuring a two item synth isn't too hard. So far so good, I've collected about 6 or 7 wind clusters, and paying attention to the day, I've been synthing the scorpion shells as soon as I get them. Selling to the guild usually, and I'm actually stocking up some gil for gear upgrades.

Nice! Can you turn a profit selling scorp rings to the guild (assuming you buy them...of course you profit if you have no costs hehe)? If I recall correctly, scorpion shells always seem to hover around 1k apiece.

So I started rolling along making scorpion arrowheads. They're going to be my new best friend. I managed to buy about 18 scoripon claws yesterday in windurst for only 300 gil apiece!!!

So I got about a point and a half yesterday, it was funny, I either got .2 skill or nothing. So now I'm at 47 and can still profit off scorp arrowheads for a good long while.

.8 skill and 14k guildpoints to my pimpin' sunglasses! /joy

Originally posted by guyincorporated
Nice! Can you turn a profit selling scorp rings to the guild (assuming you buy them...of course you profit if you have no costs hehe)? If I recall correctly, scorpion shells always seem to hover around 1k apiece.

Yeah, the guild is buying them for 507 each on my server. I thought about putting them in bazaar or AH, but honestly, only about 2 sell per day in Jeuno, and none sell anywhere else.

got Lv90 bonecraft today! and then .1 right after that ;p so 90.1 and now i need to start finding something new to synth ;/
the glasses are hawt btw, ill post a pic tommorrow if i remember ;p

Originally posted by Fire
got Lv90 bonecraft today! and then .1 right after that ;p so 90.1 and now i need to start finding something new to synth ;/
the glasses are hawt btw, ill post a pic tommorrow if i remember ;p

:handsdown

Nice one. Congrats!

what should i craft from 64 to 70? ;;

Ding, 50! And I'm getting my sunglasses today, too!!

Scorpion arrowheads have been very very good to me =D.

Lets see, 2 wind crystals (300g) + 2 bone chips (300g) + 2 Scorpion claws (600-1000g) = 1 dozen arrowheads (3500g). At the worst, that's still over 100% profit on a skillup synth!

sweeeeet.

I hit 60 last night! Scorpion shells were hard to farm up, so I was buying when I could and crafting on days which would have better skill up rates. It was full moon on a Windsday. Already turned in the craftsman exam item, but I'm now going to work on getting leathercraft to 60 and decide my path from there.

I got my sunglasses yesterday! Suck it, everyone who doesn't have them!

Hah, you guys are so far above me it's not even funny. I'm still at lvl 43 bonecrafting cause I haven't played in about a month.

On the plus side though.... I'm 6/24 on spike necklaces. First time I made 12 in one go and got 2/12 without adv support. Second time I got 4/12 with adv support. Both were on darksday close to 0%. I don't remember the exact moonphase for the first attempt but the second attempt was 2% Darksday.

Those necklaces cost about 2k to make and I sell mine for 11-12k on the Garuda server. I love it so much, they sell best in Windurst too. They probably sell well in Jeuno since it's a lvl 21 item but I haven't checked there yet. People in Kazham buy spike's too so I'll just peddle my wares there for now.

Next thing for me is scorp arrowheads, I'll fail a bunch for the first 2 lvls but meh, the items are worth like 600 gil total so if I fail I really don't care. The gil that I make off the spike necklaces is the gil I'll be using to level up my crafting from here on out and the higher I get the greater my spike > fang ration will be.

I'll update later, take care fellow crafters.

is there any rules to price change in the guild shop?
I synthing bone ring and selling it back to npc and i noticed selling price of it range between like 330 to 470ish depending on the day... is there certain days when it's the price goes higher or is it totally random?

I think it's dependent on how many items have been sold to the guild. When I used to sell bone rings to the guild the price went down if I sold more until they just stopped accepting them.

Buying materials works in the same fashion. If you guys a bunch of the same item over a few days you'll see the price increase until you can no longer buy anymore.

I buy bone arrows and sell them to the AH, they cost 3 gil each in the bone guild and go for 800 a stack. But I can only buy about 150 before they're all sold out. If I go to buy more the next day they'll only have about 20 and they'll be 6 gil each.

Basically all the Guilds have their own stocks like real stores. If they get too much of something they pay less for it and sell it for less and if they lose too much of something they'll sell it for more and pay more for it.

Well, after a day of semi-frustrating crafting I'm now at 46.1 Bonecrafting. I started making scorpion arrowheads at lvl 44 bonecrafting and yes, even with adv support that's low and I expected to fail a bunch, lol. So that's why it wasn't fully frustrating.

Now that I'm at 46.1 next time I synth the failures shoudln't be so bad, and once I get to 53 bonecrafting I'll probably have about a guarenteed 33%+ success rate on Spike Necklaces. I love making those things. I made 4 as I prevoiusly mentioned and sold each one for 12k in windurst. In jeuno they sell like hot cakes, but they sell for 8-9k. Windurst, I was the only one selling, so I rose price to 12k and (assuming it's them) the people in Kazham buy it cause they have no choice, lol. Most don't know any better or can't be bothered to fly over to jeuno cause they wanna get back to xp'in.

Considering it only costs about 2k to make a spike necklace (give or take 500 gil) selling for 12k is huge profit. ...and to think, I'll be making profit off of scorpion arrowheads while making profit of that too, win win, lol.


Oh yeah... guyincorporated... notice any difference with shades or do they just look cool?

I haven't crafted enough with them, but I doubt I'll ever really notice a change. But I'm ok with that. I really bought them for the looks and prestige.

OK quick question:

what would be the best recipe to get over the hump from 29? was trying beetle arrowheads, but, the skill ups are few and far between.

Beetle Mittens 30 Leathercraft (8) Earth Crystal Lizard Skin x2, Beetle Shell x1
Beetle Mittens +1 30 Leathercraft (8) Earth Crystal Lizard Skin x2, Beetle Shell x1
San d'Orian Horn 30 Wind Crystal Royal Spearman's Horn x1, Giant Femur x1
Kingdom Horn 30 Wind Crystal Royal Spearman's Horn x1, Giant Femur x1
Beetle Gorget 31 Earth Crystal Beetle Jaw x2, Beetle Shell x1
Green Gorget 31 Earth Crystal Beetle Jaw x2, Beetle Shell x1
Great Bow 31 Woodworking (38) Wind Crystal Chestnut Lumber x2, Velvet Cloth x1, Scorpion Claw x1, Coeurl Whisker x1
Great Bow +1 31 Woodworking (38) Wind Crystal Chestnut Lumber x2, Velvet Cloth x1, Scorpion Claw x1, Coeurl Whisker x1
Beetle Leggings 32 Leathercraft (8) Earth Crystal Lizard Skin x2, Beetle Shell x1, Beetle Jaw x1
Beetle Leggings +1 32 Leathercraft (8) Earth Crystal Lizard Skin x2, Beetle Shell x1, Beetle Jaw x1
Beetle Arrowheads 33 Wind Crystal Bone Chip x1, Beetle Jaw x1

Those are your options. Beetle Armor's good to make if you have some points in leather craft because it all sells pretty fast. Especially in Jeuno cause of Qufim.

If you can't make that though I'd say you should stick it out with the Beetle Arrowheads. If you're using adv support trying making some arrowheads without it. If you're only 4 levels below what you're trying to make then getting adv support could be the factor that's slowing down your skill up rate. Have fun!

Skillups are based on the relative distance between your skill and the skillcap on your recipe, its not based per-recipe.

That being said, I'd reccomend sticking w/ arrowheads, assuming you sell them in sandoria. If you do, you essentially break even, if I remember correctly. Plus they sell really quickly.

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And btw, New Avatar =)

What you say about skilling up confuses me although I think you're trying to say the same thing that I did because you misunderstood me.


Zelld is at lvl 29 for skill point. He will skill up faster if he makes something of a higher level. Aka he'll gain more points crafting beetle arrowheads because that's a level 33 synth rather than crafting a Sandorian Horn which is a level 30 synth

It essentially works just like skilling up combat skills. If you fight something weaker than you your skill won't raise (unless they're really low).

Now, he should be getting an average of 0.2 for every 2-3 synths making beetle arrowheads providing he's not using advance support (because it makes a difference) and he's taken the exam.
I forgot to mention earlier, if you're already at lvl 30 skill points and you haven't taken the exam to reach the next rank you won't get any more skill up points, happened to me too :p

Have fun!

I did more skilling up today, no adv support and 64% watersday, lol... I was in the mood to blow gil.
Funny thing is that my success rate was acutally really good and I skilled up to 48.4. Now I can get the next rank and making scorp arrowheads for hte next 5 lvls will be a breeze!

Woooo, more skilling up!

14% lightsday right before the servers shut down and now I'm sitting at lvl 50 bonecraft. I have to make one of them carapace gorgets to advance now. Prices for the items in windurst are nasty, 7k for iron chain and 1k for each crabshell.

However... in bastok it's 4,000 for iron chain and 500 gil for each crab shell, lol.

5,000 > 9k

I'll be done with scorp arrowheads by the end of the week pending on when I play next. Then it's the bloodstones which I can sell to all the small cities then scorp rings which I can synth and desytnh for a small loss than selling back to the guild... plus you skill up on the desynth too.

:)

Wow I never expected this thread to get this big..... I was just bored because of an update...

Well for all you aspiring Bonecrafters I am now 92 bonesmithing so expect a new update upcoming soon.

BTW: Some ppl may say that Bonecrafting doesnt make much money. WRONG.

Sample transaction between a random customer and myself:

RandomGuyA: Here you take this Venomous Claw, these 2 Ram Leathers, and these 2 Scorpion Shells.

Shadowstalker: Lemme just go get a terra crystal.

(Synthesizes Scorpion Harness)

RandomGuyA: Heres 300k for your trouble

(Synthesizes Scorpion Harness +1)

RandomGuyA: You are a GOD! Hands over between 2-4 million gil






Thats all hypothetical of course most times ppl cant afford to pay for the +1 I made so I sell the harness, buy more materials, and come out a few million ahead.

Bonecrafting takes a lot of time and money to level up but it is totally worth it. I am going to write up a comprehensive guide to bonecrafting on my spare time, including estimated cost, guild points, and more so keep checking it out.

So far my tally on harnesses for all those curious:

34 Successful harnesses
5 Unsuccsessful Harnesses
3 HQ harnesses

I will also include a small leathercrafting guide to go with it, I leveled Leathercraft to 68.

(Yes I have no more levels that I can take a craft over 60 but I count it worth it)

Great Bow 31 Woodworking (38) Wind Crystal Chestnut Lumber x2, Velvet Cloth x1, Scorpion Claw x1, Coeurl Whisker x1
Great Bow +1 31 Woodworking (38) Wind Crystal Chestnut Lumber x2, Velvet

hey out of curiousity, where did u find this info? I was lookin at mysterytour's guild list but it wasnt listed... man so i guess this means i have to lvl my bone to 60+ to synth greatbow +1...

Originally posted by ShadowstalkerXI
So far my tally on harnesses for all those curious:

34 Successful harnesses
5 Unsuccsessful Harnesses
3 HQ harnesses

I will also include a small leathercrafting guide to go with it, I leveled Leathercraft to 68.

What do you do in the cases where you are unsuccessful? Did you lose the venomous claw? And if so, did you have an agreement with the "client" beforehand, something like "you accept the risk of me failing this synth"? And do you recommend leveling leather to 60 before taking on bonecraft again? Right now all the skill-up synths look super expensive, and I'm completly broke right now.

Oh yeah, and is anyone getting requests for synths? I've had one or two, and asked for the materials. The people have offered money, but what's a good figure to ask for if it's some random person? Ask for materials and 10% of the AH cost of the item? And what about requests for HQ items? Do you ask for a stack of materials, give the person the first HQ and then keep the remaining materials, if there are any?

hey out of curiousity, where did u find this info? I was lookin at mysterytour's guild list but it wasnt listed... man so i guess this means i have to lvl my bone to 60+ to synth greatbow +1...

I'm not sure but the info looks like it was taken from ffxi.alakzham or whatever the site it.

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How come you're so broke onorok? Are you broke from skilling up or have you been spending cash on other things too?

I have about..... 90k in cash right now with about... 29 stacks of scorp arrowheads to sell which is 2k+ for each one so in total that's........ at least 148k.

It would be far less except I sold two reflex rings today so that gave me an extra 40 k, then there's the other random things i sell in the AH from time to time.

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The only people who request me for synths are my Linkshell members. If it's a LS members they pay base cost of materials. If a LS member wants me to try get an HQ item they pay base cost of materials until they get the item they wanted and I'd let them keep all the unused ones unless they were freely offered.

Now if it was some random person asking. I'd get them to buy the materials and based on how much they're saving i might charge a few hundred gil, but I also might not care and do it free.
.....I'd probably do it free. As long as they don't care that any potential fail lays on their pocket then I'll make anything for anyone as long as they don't expect to synth for them the whole day or anything

Originally posted by Target_Master
[I]How come you're so broke onorok? Are you broke from skilling up or have you been spending cash on other things too?

Hit 50 with PLD but also playing WAR, so I'm trying to upgrade gear, but still have all my 41-49 gear for WAR till that hits 50. And I'm usually tanking as WAR/NIN so I have shihei, food, etc. And blowing like 10k a run leathercraft skill-ups. Scorpion arrowhead market is oversaturated too, best you can get is 1500 per stack, but I can get 600 a scorpion claw bazaaring in front of bonecraft guild. I'm basically farming the next week and a half though. Might make some spike necklaces the next full moon, but they usually sell for 9k at any AH.

If I sold all the crystals I have on mules, I'd probably be at 50k+, but trying to save for leathercraft.

Ah I see, tough luck with the scorp arrowheads. On my server they go for 1900-2300 and scorp claws go from 400-800 so it's almost always profitable.

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In other news, I hit 53 bonecrafting so it's on to blood stones for the next 4 levels.
Good thing.... they sell in all 3 starting cities plus jeuno
Bad thing... unless your farm femurs you lose about 500 gil per synth. Give or take

Oh well... I'll just fund my leveling with the gifts called spike necklaces, mine sell for 12k in windy, 9k in jeuno. Jeuno sells fast, Windy sells high. Other cities = meh.

btw, I have 150k with all my arrowheads sold. how much will it cost to close the gap to 60? Just looks for an estimation from those of you who already reached that level.

You poor bastards! Scorp. arrowheads are 2500-3500 on fairy! I've got (literally) 34 stacks of them that I'm waiting to sell because the price has been in the 2500-3000 range lately and I'm stingy.

Anyhow, I've been farming up some of my stuff and crafting in the field, but trying to do scorpion rings 7 levels below the cap without synth support is rather difficult. Thank god for those pimpin' sunglasses. =D

Yeah, I've come to find that people on my server are generally pretty stingy but oh well, whatcha gonna do.

If you're at level 53 like me why don't you do bloodstones (level 57 cap) and then do scorpion rings?

Blood Stones are the level 1 items which give +5 hp. So they sell in just about every city at a regular interval.
You could skill up far easier if you used that method. Whatever you do is your choice but if I were you and went straight with scorpion rings then I'd only synth on 100% windsday or lightsday (unless of course you don't care about failures) then it'd be anytime darksday or iceday.

Ok so I've gotten bonecrafting to 24 and I started looking at some of the high level things you can make like Gavial armor and such and I couldnt find one thing that sold for more then 90k. Is there no uber item you can make at say 100 bonecraft that would bring in alot of cash?

Scorpion Harness.

And for the scorpion harnass you'll also need leathercraft skill, probably around 30-ish bare minimum. The venomous claw sells for 4.6 million, at least on Valefor, but I've heard of people getting the drop and then paying a bonecrafter 100k gil and supplying the materials, and then giving another 400k or so if they get a +1 of it.

Anyways, this weekend I managed to get my hands on two demon horns :spin: LS took a big skill up party to fight demons and let me go along. Basically everyone got a nice item before being allowed to lot again on the next batch of nice items. I lucked out getting the two horns, plus some other stuff worth a good amount of gil. Crafted both during new moon, forget which day, and had success on both and a 0.1 skill up.

So my plan now is to let the LS know, and any woodcrafters, that I will craft demon arrowheads for anyone that supplies the horn. I'll supply the bone chip and wind crystal. A stack of demon arrowheads seems to be sitting at 31k on all AH's, horns are 12k, so the selling point is 24k vs. 31k. Already had one friend take me up on it, so hopefully more follow suit. And leathercraft is rolling along nicely, will probably hit 20 by the next darksday I can get on.

Oh yeah, and have any of you been reading about this element direction theory that is popping up? Basically craft facing in the direction that corresponds to the element chart you can see when talking to specific NPCs. I tried it out, not sure if it's true or not but yesterday I crafted 7 spike necklaces (HQ) out of 12 fang necklace synths; full moon, darksday, facing south (earth element). Last time I tried 12 on a full moon darksday I had 1 spike necklace. Anyways, the other synths I did yesterday, dark crystal is south also, and wind crystal is southeast.

10 successfull harness
2 unsuccessfull harness
1 HQ harness

and as for the failures :/ both claws lost ; ; and not really much you can say except sorry. :/ this game is trash when it comes to crafting. Failed on fucking full moon earth day with 90bone/52leather, glasses, and guild support... wtf is that?

Just got to 60 bone tonight (yayayay) and decided fuck woodworking (first craft I took to 60) and broke my contract with the guild to start getting the sunglasses. I've also decided I want to go to 100 with it. I've got a question though... how do you higher ups get known and contacted for a scorpion harness or other such stuff? Just hope someone notices or does word spread quickly? I wouldn't really worry about it not getting around too much if I didn't stick to one linkshell with a pretty tight knit group of friends so the word wouldn't just spread itself around without me putting a lot of effor into it. :\

Question for you guys:

I got my craft on for the first time in a week or so:
I was at about 53.5 and was making scorpion rings with hq support and sunglasses ^^. I made 27 rings in about 35 synths (not bad in my opinion), and I got about 1.1 skillgain. A little slow, but oh well.

So the stupid rings only sell back for 450-500, so I thought I'd try desynthing them. I used 28 lightning crystals and only got 13 successes, and whats worse: I got -=ZERO=- skillups. Was this just a rediculous fluke, or is the desynth recipe too low or what?

Desynthing is horrible skill ups in general for every craft. It's pretty rare that you get skill from a desynth. :\ Also I've found that desynths take more skill to do successfully than it would take to make the recipe.

Scorpion facemasks were the guild point item for me yesterday, and my leather was at the point I was making ram leather for skill ups, so I managed to make about 24 masks, got about 1.6 skill on bone, and set-up a bazaar out front selling the extra masks. Hopefully they've sold.

And doing a second craft to 60 is a lot easier after what I learned doing bone to 60. I'm actually making a nice profit on leather at the point I'm at. :biggrin:

Originally posted by Timoham
Desynthing is horrible skill ups in general for every craft. It's pretty rare that you get skill from a desynth. :\ Also I've found that desynths take more skill to do successfully than it would take to make the recipe.

Yeah, the more I tried desynthing, the more I realized it was a waste of supplies. I did get about 0.4 skill up desynthing roughly 24 solea when I started out leather, but after that I decided desynthing was not a good idea.

Item on midgard was scorpion masks too. Maybe it's universal? I never really thought about that.

Originally posted by Timoham
Item on midgard was scorpion masks too. Maybe it's universal? I never really thought about that.

Quite possibly. I guess people of a certain rank are on the same cycle. I wish I could find out what the item was without having to go to Windurst every day. This one forum I joined recently has a thread tracking the guild point value of each item:

http://s7.invisionfree.com/TheCraft/index.php?showtopic=143

I'm 1/4 the way to that bone enhancement item. Going to get that before I get glasses, and honestly, I just really want the apron.

should build up all the points u can at low level bonecraft :/ all iget asked for is shit like shofar and behemoth ring for guild points :/ its so ass i want to /cry cuz i cant get key items;;

Wow, I didn't really think that guild point items were related to your rank but it makes sense. That really sucks. :( Glad I found out about it earlish though so I don't get screwed the same way you did. :\ That's a bit fucked up.

Originally posted by Fire
should build up all the points u can at low level bonecraft :/ all iget asked for is shit like shofar and behemoth ring for guild points :/ its so ass i want to /cry cuz i cant get key items;;

It never cycles back to low level stuff? Hmm. If that's the case I might stop bone at 70.0 until I can get all the stuff I want. Do you know what the second key item is? I'm guessing it gets offered when you get artisan rank.

nah man i slacked off after i got my glasses lol :/ if i had known guild points were gonna be more important i woulda kept it up but i only got 10k points now :/ still 30k for first one;; and it does cycle back down but not as much.

I obtained key item Bone Purification last night. Not really clear on what I can do with it aside from make smooth beetle jaw and vilified coral, which make items used on maybe two pieces of enchanted gear. So I don't know if it was worth it at this point, but the guild didn't offer me a new key item, which means I'm working on getting my glasses while I slowly skill up.

Leather is almost done for me, and I started clothcraft this weekend. A few people in my LS want shade gear for the Promyvion zones, but I haven't been able to figure out how high I'll need to get clothcraft to make it. Bonecraft for it has to be capped at 60 or less, as I got the recipe from one of the NPCs that just casts regular synthesis support. I'm guessing leather might even be capped close to 60 since stuff like the shade harnass uses tiger leather, which is a level 61 leather synth and my last skill up item for that craft.

Whoever said soloing did not exist in this game must not of been interested in crafting and skilling up.

Congrats on the key item. I've been (SLOWLY) working my way up to the 40k I need. I'm at 14k now. Seems like they always want the horribly GP inefficient items lately. Oh well. Anyhow, I've slowed down bonecrafting in order to drag up leather. I hit 18 leather over the weekend (full moon darksday = 2 failures out of 50 dhalmel leather =D), so I plan to decend like a plague upon the dhalmels of buburimu one of these nights and just farm the living hell out of them. Bring a water belt with you (dispenses 40 dozens of distilled water!), 3-4 stacks of dark crystals and tea leaves. Craft the femurs into gelatin (fire + water + femur = 600-1000 gil depending on hq), the hides into stackable leather, and vend the meat in mhaura. Oh, and kill any wind elementals stupid enough to cross my path.

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Update:
Finished the dhalmel apocalypse. Got 28 hides, 24 femurs in 90 kills, crafted on the spot and got up to 21 leather. Now it gets ugly for another few levels.

Ok, can someone do me a real big favour and sum up Bonecraft 1-70 in laymans terms? :p

Im a real crafting newblar. :)

Originally posted by Sharma
Ok, can someone do me a real big favour and sum up Bonecraft 1-70 in laymans terms? :p

Im a real crafting newblar. :)

Go to mysterytour and print out the bonecraft recpie guide. with that next to you, read the entire thread. It is really good in my opinion. Comparative prices, pros/cons, support crafts. It is all there.

I don't want to just repost all the info in here already.

Capped leathercraft this weekend (from 54.6 to 60.0 in two long sessions), and gained about 1.4 in bonecraft. Going to make a push for 70 over the next couple of weeks, try and get the glasses, and work on clothcraft as my next support skill. Don't know what I should do next, either smithing, woodwork, or maybe goldsmithing? But leather and cloth seem to be the first two to get out of the way.

What guide did you guys use for the leathercrafting? I just hit 58 in bonecrafting last night. I going to try to get to 60 in bone this weekendm my leather is only at 9 so I would like to get that up higher. Have any of you all tried to make any shade gear?

Thanks again

Originally posted by simong79
What guide did you guys use for the leathercrafting? I just hit 58 in bonecrafting last night. I going to try to get to 60 in bone this weekendm my leather is only at 9 so I would like to get that up higher. Have any of you all tried to make any shade gear?

Dragonhope's guide, I think it was on Killing Ifrit originally, and updated a bit on their LS's forum at:

http://s7.invisionfree.com/TheCraft

Most of the guides I've seen are fairly similar, with a few differences. Leather had nice peaks where you were covering costs and continualy skilling up. And once you hit 52 you could just farm tigers and skill up when you had a cache of tiger hides; save the fangs for spike necklaces, or trade in 3 at a time for San D'Oria fame and 2100 gil.

im confused i go to mystery tour and search for bonecraft recipie guides i get stupid sites about buying gil and stuff that has nothing to do with ffxi:(

Originally posted by Roronoa Zoro
im confused i go to mystery tour and search for bonecraft recipie guides i get stupid sites about buying gil and stuff that has nothing to do with ffxi:(

Weird. Well, here's the direct link to their bonecraft page:

http://mysterytour.web.infoseek.co.jp/ffxi/us/guild/002Bonecraft.htm

I just checked it a second ago, all the bonecraft info with none of the "buy gils cheap" ads.

I find guides to be less useful than you'd think. Certain suggested synths were not as efficient as others. After getting BURNED on some suggested synths below level 20 or so, I just started taking a hard look at each possible synth in my range. Seeing what they sell to at the guild, at the Windy AH, at the Sandy AH, at the Jeuno AH, seeing how much the ingredients cost at various stores...it can save you a lot of money. More importantly, it gets you more invested in and knowledgable about your chosen craft, instead of just making what some random guy told you to do.

My advice to new crafters (posted earlier): re-read this thread. Onorok, Targetmaster and I paced eachother through the mid-levels pretty closely and had some great ideas for cost-saving synths.

Progress update:
Finally got bit by the crafting bug again (bought my 2nd sniper ring and don't have anthing in particular to save for). Up to 23.5 leathercraft. Going to do parchment to 28 or so, then ram, ram, ram leather up to 35.

Originally posted by guyincorporated
Progress update:
Finally got bit by the crafting bug again (bought my 2nd sniper ring and don't have anthing in particular to save for). Up to 23.5 leathercraft. Going to do parchment to 28 or so, then ram, ram, ram leather up to 35.

Yeah, we didn't powercraft to 60, probably because we were all exping and farming in addition to the crafting. Congrats on getting the leather going again. I'm just doing a few bone patas synths when I can; tip there is to sell to Tenshodo's guild in Jeuno or Norg. The guild NPC that buys them back pays much more than other NPC's.

How much do you lose (gain?) per synth on patas when vending them back to the tenshodo?

I'm going to start doing demon arrowheads for skill. Horns are 19k apiece, and a dozen arrowheads sells for 45k. that's about 3k profit per successful synth, with the potential for 18k botches (ouch!). Still, if I do it on the right day/moon combo with advanced synth, a 6 or 7 point gap is totally easy to craft through.

Also, hit 28 leather. I can start on ram now, which is pretty sweet.

Originally posted by guyincorporated
How much do you lose (gain?) per synth on patas when vending them back to the tenshodo?

The price has flucated a lot, not sure if it's based on day of the week and/or how many have been sold to the guild. But the price has been between 1350 and 1850. Materials and costs for my server are:

fire crystal - 185 (stack is usually 2200)
carbon fiber loop - 850 (stack is usually 10k)
crab shell - 200~600 (leveling in Boyoda Tree a lot, so just lot on them)
giant femur X 2 - 400~700 each

So ideally I'm only losing 500 per synth, but sometimes as much as 800.

Originally posted by guyincorporated
I'm going to start doing demon arrowheads for skill. Horns are 19k apiece, and a dozen arrowheads sells for 45k. that's about 3k profit per successful synth, with the potential for 18k botches (ouch!). Still, if I do it on the right day/moon combo with advanced synth, a 6 or 7 point gap is totally easy to craft through.

I did scorpion masks. If you can make ram leather now, it's just cheaper and less risky, but demon arrowheads to pull in some profit. Luckily the 5 or 6 synths I did, I had no failures. But the ones I did for profit, I was getting smoked out of the AH by the regular suppliers continually dropping the price on their stacks.

Am now 91.8 Bone / 52.6 Leather / 45 wood / 22 cloth / 10 gold

and well.......

4 failed harness's and about 30 successful and 1 HQ

1 fail on lightning day, 3 on earth day one of which was full moon

It's just my opinion but crafting in this game just seems to be whether or not SE wants to say Fuck you now or whether they wanna say it to you later. Failing a Lv69 synth at 90+ skill + support + support items on a full moon earth day the element of the crystal is fucking retarded.

But hey on the other hand its not my fault I failed its just bad luck...... Shrug that doesnt bring back the 24+mil lost because of some lame BS.

Don't tell people you can make stuff unless your ready to deal with the possible failures. Obviously I am not and I'm fairly bitter about the crafting in this game now.

hmmm.....

this site is so much help i hope you all use it

http://mysterytour.web.infoseek.co.jp/ffxi/us/index.html
http://mysterytour.web.infoseek.co.jp/ffxi/us/index.html
http://mysterytour.web.infoseek.co.jp/ffxi/us/index.html
http://mysterytour.web.infoseek.co.jp/ffxi/us/index.html

Now.... This is Just my Personal Opinion on how to Level up.

I know its not pretty but w/e is 4:30am;;
Dear god it looks worse and worse everytime I change it

*Use advanced Support // **try desynth to get item back

Item Lv cap Crys
Ingrediant

Bone Hairpin -4- Wind
--->Bone Chip
Bone Arrowhd.×6 -9- Wind
--->Bone Chip ×2
Bone Ring -17*- Wind
--->Sheep Tooth+Bone Chip
Beetle Ring -25*- Wind
--->Beetle Jaw
Horn Hairpin -29- Wind
--->Ram Horn**
Horn Ring -37*- Wind
--->Fish Scales+Ram Horn
Horn Arrowhd.x6 -43*- Wind
--->Bone Chip+Ram Horn
Horn -47- Wind
--->Beetle Jaw+Ram Horn
Scp. Arrowhd. x6 -53*- Wind
--->Bone Chip+Scorpion Claw
Scorpion Ring -60*- Wind
--->Scorpion Shell**
Bone Patas -68*- Fire
--->Crab Shell+Giant Femur ×2 +Carbon Fiber
Coral Mittens -74*- Earth
--->Coeurl Leather+Coral Fragment+Wyvern Scales (would stop this around 71~72)
Tigerfangs -79*- Fire
--->Carbon Fiber+Blk. Tiger Fang ×2+Scorpion Shell
Eremite's Ring -82- Earth
--->Hermit's Ring+Sheep Tooth
Dragon Mask -87*- Earth
--->Sheep Leather+Wyvern Scales ×2
Carapace Gauntlets -92*- Earth