so many poor newb rangers ;;

[Crimespree]

Why are so many poor people playing ranger? I almost got passed up for invite because the leader had bad experience with ranger... lol level 40 ranger using iron arrows? lol...

Im a level 43 NA ranger with emp hairpin, mages cuffs, and leaping boots, and I use scorpion arrows exclusively. The leader said i was doing 2x the damage the other ranger he partied with was doing. lol. why play ranger if youre poor?

[greysenn]

Why are there so many mages playing missing half their spells? Why are there so many melee without anything close to up to date gear? You can apply this question to any class.

If people want to suck because they're not keeping current, thats their buisness. Just write names down or remember the particularly bad ones.

[Dustt]

/sigh
Listen guys, not everyone can use the top notch stuff all the time. Sure if they use iron at 40, don't you think there may be reason?
Heres an idea, seeing as none of us wants RNG to get a bad name, why don't you /tell the next guy like that to "Hey use silver, it's not that much higher or better yet, scorp." or "If you need cash, goto [insert zone] and farm [mob]" or OMG YOUR GONNA HATE THIS, help them or float the poor broke noob some funds.
IMHO this is a community based game not a "haha my [job] is better than your job!" game.
Or let me put it this way, STOP BITCHING ABOUT PEOPLE AND START HELPING PEOPLE.
For the record, those few(very few) times I'm too low on funds and my equipment isnt top notch, I try not to pt. And if asked to pt i tell them "My eq isn't the best" and tell them why.

[Cometgreen]

I believe quite a few people like to use iron arrows for normal mobs because they're cheap and, unlike scorpion arrows, are quiverable. That doesn't mean they should carry iron arrows exclusively; horn arrows should be used during barrage or WS, imo, and a few stacks of Scorpion arrows should be taken as well during xp parties. But the price difference between Silver and Iron arrows is quite a bit for, what, 5 more dmg? It's understandable. Maybe not preferable, and not what I intend to do, but understandable. Especially when Rangers shell out most of their cash for top-of-the-line equipment.

Now, if the guy was using a boomerang or something, then you got a point. ;)

Cometgreen

[greysenn]

You should have the most up to date +1 bows and rings availible as well as the "standard" ranger equipment. The other stuff is nice, (emp hairpin, etc) but it's cost effectiveness is not nearly as good vs the rings, bows, archers knife, etc.

As for arrows, you should also be using the most up to date arrow. Besides doing more damage, using cheap arrows doesn't really save you money. Difference in damage between iron and silver/horn is only about 10 per arrow yeah. With food it becomes 20 per hit. And with berserk on top of that, it's 30 per hit. So in order to be doing your full potential of damage (Being right underneath the tanks hate) you have to use MORE arrows. Maybe not twice as many, but enough to make a noticeable difference.
Plus the damage really shows up in your skillchains and barrages.

Comet, scorps go for 1300 per stack on my server, and are quiverable. Thats 100 less than horn arrows and probably 300-500 less than silvers.

[b4kan3k0]

Since lvl 1 i've been using up do take eq all the way to 51, however i've only used iron arrows and will continue to do it with lvling. @lvl 50->51 I used well over 15 stacks to lvl in garlaige. I know that being RNG means you have to shell out lots of gil to maximize dmg, but even while farming and lvling at the same time I find myself under 10k gil at all times.

Barrage + Sharpshot at lvl 50 usually comes out well over 300 on the beetles in garlaige and hate is still hard to keep with a PLD. So far nobody that i have pt'ed with has complained about the iron arrows. I do, however, use elemental arrows for WS and 2hrs as the dmg is slightly better. Just hit 51 recently. 10k tnl. I'm pretty sure its gonna be about 20 stacks to lvl. Pay 600/stack of irons or pay 1200-1400/stack for a lil boost in dmg/accuracy. Most rng's prefer the iron's and spend the excess money updating their eq to the best.

I duno about other rng's but I usually don't get passed up for invites unless a mage/tank is required for the pt in Ragnarok. RNG's unfortunately need to farm lots -.-;; It's true tho...you can't be poor lol...i spent way too much on this job alone.

[poweryoga]

which is why i make my own scorpion arrows.

i make it for about 2k for 4 stacks, which means 500 gil for each stack. Cheaper than the AH, cheaper than Irons, does about 2x as much damage.

Try to find a woodcrafter friend to see if s/he can make you arrows at cost. if you can't, offer to pay him/her a little less than the AH so they still make money.

oh, bring your own materials... when my LS mates ask me to make them arrows, i hate it when i have to camp the sandy woodshop...

[FeralisCallidus]

SCORPION ARROWS are NOT quiverable.

Don't know why. But they aren't. I wish they were =\

And, in regards to your Barrage doing 300 dmg...


Mine did about 550 =\ (scorpion arrows)

[b4kan3k0]

550 dmg gains too much hate oO;; i like using barrage whenever it's ready. I was in a pt w/ a crappy JP PLD last night -.-;; he couldnt even hold hate while i normally fire....barrrage = me tanking =(.... i need better pld to pt w/ me..

Hey how much gil did it take to get woodworking to scorpion arrows? I'd like to get mine up there too if it only costs 500per stack.

[greysenn]

Oops. Forgot Scorps were the oddball ones out of the set, just couldn't remember which ones. They need to fix that :/

[tonka]

"So many"? There are a few rangers who are poor and sometimes use their daggers too much instead of shooting, but for the most part rangers are using good equipment.

If you want to complain, complain about players not using food. The difference between most of the arrows is negligible compared to those players not using mithkabobs.

[GCWIV]

Hi Garudians and Fellow FFXI players!

About the noob thing, in March it'll get worse a lot worse

[FeralisCallidus]

If you want to complain, complain about players not using food. The difference between most of the arrows is negligible compared to those players not using mithkabobs.

Actually, it's about the same magnitude.

[Darkmana]

i've read a lot of these threads and everyone just pisses me right off. how selfish are people to say "if you cant afford the BEST equipment for your level, dont play as ranger" if your gonna act like that toward someone who is obviously struggling to get along then you should'nt be playing this game. insted of bitching and whining about it, how about you help them. you ever thought they might not know the best way to farm? or an efficient way? the most money i've ever had at one time was 12.5k and i'm damn proud of that. no one has shown me how to farm well, or even told me a good place to and yet i always seem to get by. i'm a ranger at level 8 now and i love it and if i run out of money sometime then so be it.

just because your level like 50+ dont give you the right to say to someone they cant play that job cuz they dont know how to right. someone can have a bad experiance with any job not just ranger. i've seen a lvl 25 blm that only had fire as his max spell and yet i did'nt abuse him or tell him off for it. i felt sorry because he had'nt really grasped the idea of farming or that he was so low on cash i even gave him 2k toward thunder. if you dont want to help someone out that is struggling fine then thats your choice, DONT tell someone off cuz your beliefs are diffrent.

[Mikeb]

Lets put it this way - if someone has gimp equipment they won't get invited into parties. It will take them alot longer to lvl up, alot more sitting around, and they won't be having much fun. Yes, they are totally free to use whatever horrible equipment they want, and I am also free to not invite them into my group. If there was a BLM in my group with only Fire at lvl 25, he'd be getting kicked right away.

Also, I have alot more fun when I have the best equipment for my level - makes leveling alot easier, it helps your reputation if you care enough to make sure you're well equiped, you get invites into more groups, etc... Farming might seem boring, but having good equipment adds to the fun (and you can always sell it back and recover your money - except with ammo, but ammo isnt tooo expensive...).

[gau]

I think the main idea Crimespree is trying to get along is why play a job that you cant afford.

Say if you were a normal job say War and if you are having trouble keeping up to date gear for that then why would people become rangers and put them selfs under more finacial stress.


IMO if you cant afford to lvl a job dont play it ... its as simple as that.

[Kenki]

I think most jobs are expensive when you want to keep up-to-date equipments (not counting your 25/7 food eatting). Mages and rangers are the most expensive.

Not getting hate much is good but doing more damage per hit with higher accuracy and know how to control hate is better right?

I have been switching between iron and horn arrow. I always keep about 10 quivers ea, since I might get into a not-so-well party and getting lots of hate from using horn arrows. I really found that: Iron arrows are really bad to use. The damage is not really huge on ea normal attack but if you use warrior sub with berserk you will notice a huge different. WS and barrage will also shows some weakness using Iron arrows.

Using Horn arrows I will get arrgo in about 3~4 hits after 1 provoke but most of the time I slow my atk down a little bit to melee (some more TP nevers harm) and use barrage (and WS too if there is no SC) near the end or when the pld signal his Cover is ready~!

I don't think that top-of-the-line equipments are nessessary but you need some standard equipments. For example, Drone Earrings +3agi while the normal version is +2agi; some people think that getting the HQ for 200% higher in price is too much can just go with the normal one. I don't think there is any trouble with that (+4 and +6... hmm), you better get the normal one since it's better than not having any. Not having emperor hair pin is not a bad thing but not having your bow up-to-date is bad.

[FeralisCallidus]

(and you can always sell it back and recover your money - except with ammo, but ammo isnt tooo expensive...).

... Hahahahahaha.

Riight. I go through about 10k a level in arrows. Not expensive?

[Sinzer]

I don't think 10K a level is too expensive......

I level slowly anyway and usually fill my time up with other stuff.

Rangers may cost a lot but they are the best equipped for farming. I am quite happy to log on for an hour or two and farm during the week. I don't get a large amount of playtime weekdays anyway, so I tend not to group. I Look forward to being able to farm RNG\THF rather than THF\RNG due to the quick killing a RNG can do on weaks.

You can easily make enough in 2 hours of farming to keep you sweet for a couple of levels, the only time I am outta cash is when I invest it in tradeskills and I have to wait for all my goods to sell.

People just have to realise this is MMORPG of two games, the levelling game and the character game. It is not like other MMORPGs where you can make money while you level, you do one or other in this game.

[Trimpton]

10k? Thats cheap as hell.

If I want to leave for leveling it cost me around 22-26k if Iam out of supplies.

Thats food, blink powder, and enough scorp arrows to level bout once.

Mages spells are alot different, they buy one and use it till the end of the game. We use a arrow and its gone. No more return .. sure they buy a spell but they always use that same original scroll.

That atleast on my server my most recent bow cost 120k + 40k brig tunic add that with the cost of about every weekend I spend 22-26k .. no class will reach close...

---

Its not that I think poor people shouldnt play rangers its that they need to learn they cant just mass level without farming. To play a ranger it will take you longer to level and cost you more time in farming but the end result is rare, compare 60+ rangers on your server to basically any other job. So no if you cant afford it dont play a ranger if you are not willing to invest the time into gear and supplies.

Ranger dmg is directly related to the gear the ranger is wearing.


I would also like to say Sinzer is very correct in saying there is no making money while leveling, they are seperate... they made the game knowing this designing NM in areas to ahrd for you to fight when leveling, etc. I personally think that sucks ^^

[FeralisCallidus]

I use enough arrows so that the tank can barely hold aggro, and if he is a paladin I exceed it late fight and take use of Cover.


Either you are missing a lot, or the Scorp arrows on your server are 75% more expensive than mine. =\

[Kenki]

only 10k? You hardly use anything -___-

I'm spending around 18~23k per level on food and arrows. I level up a Whm and Blm too and both of them spending much more than my ranger. Only 10k is not really a big deal, scorpion arrows are cheap, horns are a bit expensive but not really a huge money drainer only at your silver arrow using level (the using of silver and beetle arrows to switch between power) you really have to pay some money but not much anyway. Consider a pld who eat Fishkabobs every 30min you will see that his cost is no less than yours.

[Chisum]

Back in the latter part of my thieving days, after I decided to go ranger, but in the middle of Yhoator Jungle, I met a fellow thief.
Now this thief, a Taru, equal to my level, was worse than me in every way. He was wielding a Flame Sword versus my Federation Knife. He had no Leaping Boots, +2Dex rings, or serious stat boosting armor.
And the sunufagun did almost as much damage as me in sneak-trick. (Without Fast Blade)
I wept.
But this was a very good lesson: Gear doesnt matter half as much as you'd think. A little skimping when you just dont have the money (or in my case, time to farm) won't guarentee that you become a bloody pariah. I've got a decent reputation around Seraph, amongst the folks I leveled up with originally; they know I can do my job. Using level 14 arrows and Scale Armor not only saves me cash, but it works out quite well. There is no shortage of the hurt I can do.
And so far, in my Ranger career, I've been breaking even. Yes, thats right: Spending cash on arrows, gyshal greens (a quarter goes to the one who can spell that right), and the hiddeously overpriced Bow +1's--and I havent lost a gil.

Feralis, if you're that strapped for cash, then decide if you really need all those arrows. I still swing away with a Fire Sword after a few shots to tip the battle--hitting with a sword is quite another story, though. =P

[greysenn]

That would seem to argue the opposite chisum if he needed a 15 damage weapon to "almost" keep up with your 13 damage knife. Imagine what you would've been doing with say, a centurion sword or even a gladius.

Gear is important, there is no getting around it, even though there is a definete point of lessening returns. The trick is to find what works well without crippling yourself. I will still argue if people want to suck, thats thier buisness, but it also will become progressively harder for them to get groups.

[FeralisCallidus]

Here's why I only pay 10k for arrows:

I know some woodworkers here or there, and they are usually able to craft me Scorpion Arrows for about.. 66% of the AH price. So, instead of a stack running me 1500-1700 gil, it runs me about 1000gil.

Add that to a stack of Meat Miths per level (2200gil), you come out to about 12200.

Compared to 17200 if I didn't have a woodworker I knew. This is obviously going to increase dramatically the next few levels, as experience required keeps climbing =\

[Trimpton]

Yah that makes sense then I pay 1.5-2k on my server for scorp arrow stacks. Another 5.5-6k for stack of blink and I like buying two stacks of food so thats 4.5k.

Chisum -
I did not say THF gear is dmg directly related to gear... (there is no reason a thf shouldnt have top of the line gear since they can farm coffers.)

RNG dmg is directly related to gear... The more RAcc and the better arrows and bows you use will significantly alter your dmg. Hence one of the reasons ranger is so exp. Its not just the arrows but if you dont keep up with the 50k - 70k - 120k (on my server) bows your dmg will be significantly lower.

I want to know how this guy was saying he spent more on WHM and BLM then Rng.

And it should cost ya about 20k per level now post 51+ 10k+ per level. Least I go through atleast 2k arrows now.

[Kenki]

I keep my BLM and WHM with food. Pies and Juice so they will not run out of MP in a critical fight (I can make my own food). I also buy +1 wand for them and most of the spells for them (nope I don't have 200k for Erase). I do find the cost of BLM per level is about 5~20k (after 30) and Whm is a bit cheaper. Rangers' bow are expensive but for every time you ungrade your bow you can sell the old ones back (unless you are like me keeping all the bows/armor for fun, yeah I keep my Power/Great bow +1 in my mule and all warrior/bst/nin related armor from lv 7~30)

I think the money you spend per level heavily depends on your party. I spent about 11 stacks of scorpion arrows and about 10 mithkabobs from lv 40 to 42. I found that's pretty cheap compare to many of the +10k per spell for BLM. However, I know I don't have enough money for rng/nin I go rng/war ^^ so I'm relatively cheaper in many ways, plus I want to have beserk~!

[blueoakleyz]

so help us wanna be rangers out... where/ how do we farm well? enough to support ranger?

[raidenn]

Why play a job you cant afford?? Because they're paying to play it, if you have complaints about it, play by yourself and mind your own business.

Some people have lousy equipment, thats their problem. You got good equipment , woopty doo. End of story. If you complain about their equipment and say they cant play the job because they cant afford the best equipment, then you might as well pay and play their account for them. If you dont intend to help them out with gil or equipment, you might as well suck it up and mind your own business.

Everyone knows the importance of good equipment and the price you have to pay for that. Ranger isnt a basic job, its an advanced job, everyone who got that job probably got a level 30 job wherein in some point in time, they made purchases on better equipment. It is quite shallow if you think that some people do it intentionally.

And as for ranger hate, read www.gamefaqs hate guide. It will explain how hate is accumulated and why you shouldnt use Barrage when the mob arrives. Be more respectful to Plds, they take blows for you, so what if they cant hold hate that long ? Cant you blame them for the damage SE has configured on your jobs? Let him get a bit more hate by the 2nd provoke and flash, then unleash your attacks.

[poweryoga]

If someone is going to have absolute crap equipment and thus detract from my gaming experience, it damn well affects me. I have all the best equipment minus the million dollar ones, and if our whm doesn't bother to update his equipment so that he's wearing a bone hairpin with linen robe at lvl 64, it affects me. Why? I can't pull as much because he's always out of mp. Same goes for Drgs and whatever other players.... if you don't at least have decent equipment it takes away from my gaming experience as well.

Their lousy equipment is their problem, WHEN THEY ARE NOT IN A PARTY WITH ME.

[TaruSGonEWilD]

I whole heartedly agree with power on this one. Ranger is one of the most equipment-centric classes you can play. The amount of dmg a ranger can deal, how fast they can deal it, and how efficiently they can opperate all relies on what they choose to equip and not equip. A ranger that can't finish off a mob and ends up getting me killed because the damn thing didn't go down affects me. A ranger not dealing top dmg, prolonging battles and sapping our whm's mp affects me, because I in turn have to stay online longer to get to that next level. If you don't want to put the time and effort into equipping your ranger with the best, don't PT as a ranger, solo instead, there are ways to solo through all the levels. That way you can still play a gimped ranger and not end up hurting anyone else while doing it.

[Sohjai]

hmmm.. venting area.. I need to vent too, i've seen too many rng using iron arrows lately at 20-40 .. >,<

RNG w/ outdated arrows is like a lvl 20 whm w/o Cure II, the job is not accomplished properly.

If like one said hate is easily kept for hate, well I'm sure no one would want a BLM that only chain casted water and stone so he wouldn't get hate. The dmg dealers have to help control the hate with their frequency not by using lowbie spells and arrows.

Partying with other ppl is a commitment try your best, if everyone in the pt had equipment 20 lvl behind what would you say about the pt? I highly doubt exp would be going anywhere upwards.

Every bit counts, Iron compared to Scrop may not be big per shot roughly 20dmg (not 100% sure, I was doing 10-15 more than iron w/ horn arrows), but in 1 battle we are talking about 200-400+ dmg less, and a bigger diff w/ ws and barrage, which saves MP, TIME, and more CHAINs. At critical times, 200 extra dmg might have even saved your tank from death.

The only real reason I see RNG using iron arrows is b/c they can get away with it and people would rarely notice them unlike BLM, WHM RDM and NINJA jobs where people would know if you have what it takes. But w/ RNG people it's easy to get away, b/c most people don't know about RNG arrows etc.

Surely everyone hates farming, everyone job needs to farm there's no excuse or way out of it. Every job farms according to their function melee always buy the best weapon reasonable in priority, whm always buy the updated healing spells, blm always buy the latest dmg spell, nin always have shihei.. etc etc.. this is not always the case but this is what everyone expects of you when they invite you. Same goes with RNG people expect you to have the updated arrows and bow. In these no one expects you to buy 1 million gil equipment, but w/o these BASICS then that person is simply GIMPED.

Is being GIMPED a problem? Well, to each and their own, some would never want to be categorized there and some just couldn't care less.

People who hate to be GIMPED always find a way to make gil to get out of there, and people who don't care are lazy and will always sit their wondering how others do it.

To me I see iron arrow RNG as lazy. But what I don't understand is, most people who play RNG want to see themself do uber dmg, how can they stand doing less dmg every shot knowing they can do more. :confused:

Ok, i'm done venting....

[Vannder]

:(I'm currently a lvl 7 RNG and i'm having lots of funand looking foward to sticking with this job but you guys are making it seem very stressful.I love this game but if i'm gonna be told by a fellow RNG your equipment sucks hows that supposed to make me feel?Also you people would kick out a RNG with not Up to date Equipment but has ok euipment?Is this really how RNG life is?:confused:

[poweryoga]

for starters, rangers rely on +1 bows. those are pretty expensive.

There are a few things a ranger must have:

1) Most updated +1 bow
2) Most updated +1 rings (maybe not carapace, those are rare)
3) Most updated arrows (with +acc)
4) Archer's knives. (or hawkers)

The rest is ok as they don't contribute too much.

I personally have normal horn rings for BCNM40 because I never miss a shot in there anyways.

Using irons is "ok" but you should be using silvers/horns/scorpions really. Iron arrows are generally frowned upon.

Rangers are one of the most equipment conscious classes, because how good those rings/bows are affect how often you hit in a party.

[Shaggy1182]

Hey vannder i just read ur post. U shouldnt fear ranger based on this thread its an extremely fun job it just happens to require quite a bit of work to get the best out of it. Someimes u just have to take it slow and build up ur cash. U'll find the job much more enjoyable and take ur time with it so u can get the most out of it. U will need to farm to stay up to date because later on as u mite already know from ur first job people who play poorly dont get into good parties. But if u take the time to farm and just try to have fun wiht it u should be alrite.

[In the Shadows]

Exactly I was sorta sceptical about doing ranger also from the cost but i find that if you take your time and take breaks going back and forth between leveling and farming that you should do good. I find that it also helps to get stuff ahead of time so that you can take it easy afterwards. Lucky for me my ranger is in a static so I dont have to worry about high-demands from experienced players but that doesnt give me a reason to give them a average or above average ranger ... try to be the best you can no matter what your doing

[Temporal]

From what i can see of people using outdated ammo and such, is not because they're poor or use them for better "Hate Control"
they are just plain LAZY.
It is as simple as that. For me, i am an average player, i dont have emp hairpin, leaping boots , or any other exclusive equipment, i have never once gotten a rare drop worth more than 20k+ in my time in ffxi.

What do i use?
Musketeers Gun +1 and Silver Bullets.
How do i afford that? i work hard for it, simple as that.
If your not going to put at least some Minimal effort to use decently updated arrows, you dont deserve to be playing a ranger.

[Ninjitsu]

Ok, there are undoubtedly some rangers with sub-par equipment, which makes no sense, but scaling damage for hate control because your tank(s) can't keep aggro means that your PT isn't working very well.

If you chose to stay in a PT like that, that means that you really need to /nin and use blink or simply scale damage more and not hit as much as you would like to. I always ask who is in the PT before I join as a RNG so that I know if it will work out at all, or if it looks like I'll need to /nin. When I join the PT, I'm not using cheaper arrows to scale back my damage. That means that I can't hit with barrage and WS as hard to finish mobs off in those PTs.

As far as guns go, it's great that some people make the decision to use guns, but they are not cost effective weapons in the early stages, so don't go thinking that you need to spend 7k per stack of bullets for a level up PT. It would be different if guns+bullets were vastly superior to their bow+arrow counterparts, but they aren't. I'm not talking canon shells used with unlimited shot either here.

Oh, and anther thing.. In a properly setup PT, there isn't any reason that you can't keep the arrows flying. Those PTs are usually the ones with a THF and a well equipped tank or a very good PLD tank. In good PTs, you can fire until your heart is content, but the rule for barrage and other uber attacks remains the same. Use them for finishing mobs off. Some PTs might let you get away with using them without it being the finishing move, but don't always count on it.


Just my 2 gil worth on it :cool:

[PhoR]

If your not going to put at least some Minimal effort to use decently updated arrows, you dont deserve to be playing a ranger.

RNG w/ outdated arrows is like a lvl 20 whm w/o Cure II, the job is not accomplished properly.

To me I see iron arrow RNG as lazy.

So say for instance that I join a party in qufim, and they SUCK... tank is not voking, whm goes afk all the time and doesn't even have raise at 26 (still in qufim)...
You're telling me that i'm lazy for switching to iron arrows instead of using 24 gil with each arrow for silver arrows and spamming blink cause the tank won't voke it off me?

With iron arrows and power bow +1, we still do the same dmg as other well equipped melee dmg dealers at that level, so I want you to explain to me how that's gimp..
according to your logic, all melee dmg dealers are gimp because blm does more dmg. which is a very dumb mentality.

"if i'm not getting the best exp possible at all times, someone is gimp in my party and needs to quit playing this game" - wow. that's a good attitude to have... you sound like a bunch of 10 yr olds throwing a hissy fit. get over yourself. If you play so much that it seriously bothers you to have a poorly equipped player in your party, you need to go outside and get a life. (real life, not vana'diel)

[neighbortaru]

in that situation, I think you're being frugal. You'd be lazy if you used iron arrows in a good XP party.

If you're doing the same damage as regular melee, I would think something is wrong. As a ranger, you should be doing more damage than a regular melee otherwise what use are you?

I have never played ranger (the costs scare me), but I have played with some good rangers. A poorly equipped ranger does not make a good ranger in my book.

[Temporal]

May i say that 95% of the people who use the insult (get a life) also do not have (a life) of their own. Also, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. did i comment on any of yours? no, i merely stated mine.

also, in my previous post, i just said that you should put in at least some minimal effort to use up to date arrows, did i say in it anywhere that you should be spending alot of gil in a sucky PT?
if thats the case for me i gladly leave, i dont intend on spending a ton of money if the members of the PT themselves are not playing their jobs properly.

And when i say -Minimal- efford, i mean those level 55+ rangers still using iron arrows in exp parties.

[gaso]

it's all about the wooden arrows.












o.o

[AtraposBLM]

I had an elvaan ranger in my pt at 28 (leveling whm) that used wooden arrows. I immediately kicked him.

[greysenn]

Thats a particularly sucky level to be using cheap gear. If he was 30 with the new bow... he probably could've got away with it, but as it was he was probably getting outdamaged by just about everyone.

[Trav1s]

You know, not all of us play FFXI all day and night. We play the game for fun. We can't afford the very best stuff because of this. I understand kicking a level 30 ranger using a level 10 bow or the similar, but flaming because somebody isn't using the arrows that you can afford is lame. If you don't want them in your party then fine. But calling them newbies or flaming them or anything like that is really sad. Stop worrying about us.

[DM337]

Originally posted by Trav1s
You know, not all of us play FFXI all day and night. We play the game for fun. We can't afford the very best stuff because of this. I understand kicking a level 30 ranger using a level 10 bow or the similar, but flaming because somebody isn't using the arrows that you can afford is lame. If you don't want them in your party then fine. But calling them newbies or flaming them or anything like that is really sad. Stop worrying about us.

You don't have to play all the time to have good gear. Having good gear shows dedication to your job. If you're gimping yourself by having poor gear, then you're gimping the party. Thus, you should be booted.

[Cometgreen]

I understand kicking a level 30 ranger using a level 10 bow or the similar, but flaming because somebody isn't using the arrows that you can afford is lame.

I understand someone using beetle arrows because they've run out of silvers at that lvl, but using wooden arrows shows that they're, most likely, just trying to powerlevel their ranger, and don't give a crap about the class or doing their job. If you don't have the money to get the basic stuff, then get the money. It's not that hard, and you don't have to play the game every hour of your life to do it.

Cometgreen

[lynx147]

I have a question

right now i'm lv20 rng and I am lving up in quifim and I ahve bought all my cetr armor for lv 30 and I'm still working on the utsemi ichi quest but right not i have bought every peice of armor that will help me get my rng to 30 but it has drained my gil alot a
so right now i'm using iron arrows and i was wondering if it was alright for me to use them all the way to 30 becuase after i get my utesimi <(i forgot how to spell it) scroll i'm gonna start saving up for a new +1 bow at 30 .

so anyways is it ok if i use iron arrows up to lv 30?
and whats a good way to make gil?


*current camping lizzy in my off time*:mad: