Too many PLD

[Sykarah]

It might just be my server, but it seems like paladins outnumber most other advanced classes. On Leviathan there are usually twice and sometimes up to 3 times as many paladins as other advanced classes, like summoner or dragoon. Could this eventually become a problem for higher lvl paladins trying to find parties or is this common among all servers? Just would like to hear some forum imput on Paladins and their numbers on other servers.

[Deedlit]

On Leviathan there are usually twice and sometimes up to 3 times as many paladins as other advanced classes, like summoner or dragoon.
Summoners won't be very common as unless a player has help, they have only carbuncle to play with until some job of theirs reaches 60. With dragoon, again, you need help of level 45s (or so I've heard, I haven't opened the job myself).

The "easiest" of the jobs to open at level 30 are drk, pld, brd, rng, and bst. A melee (which there seem to be plenty of on Leviathan) most likely won't choose brd, or bst - leading to why you see so many DRKS and PLDS. RNG is too expensive for most.

That being said, I think Leviathan has way too many dragoons =P

[Geo]

A reason Im considering putting away my SAM for PLD is that there are about 3 PLDs my level range on peak hours, 5 WARs available, and about 7 WHMs that are free.
Strange and whatnot, PLDs get better groups than WHMs on Fairy -.-

[imac2much]

Actually I know several people who have beaten the DRG quest dragon with a level 30-35 party. The people who say you need level 45 party are just lazy and/or crappy at the game.

As for summons, the avatars generally require around level 65 PT (assuming no help from higher levels). If you have lvl 65-75 helping you, of course it's easier. My friend recently got all his avatars by paying a set PT a large amount of gil to let him tag along... then again even at level 58 he has more MP than most level 65 BLMs (he has the absolute best equipment and spells for his level except for serket ring. it's amazing), but the PT that helped him was in the upper 60-lower 70s.

As for the abundance of Paladin, what level range are you referring to? There are literally tons of Paladins level 1-40 or so, but people tend to get tired of the job when they either 1) find out they are bad tanks or 2) want to do some damage. Paladins seem to get rarer as we go higher... I can count all the NA Paladins around my level with two hands. That being said, there is a shortage of PLD my level, since I and some of my PLD friends constantly get harrassed with invites when we're busy, forcing us to go /anon. And yes, WHMs outnumber PLDs at higher levels. The only jobs that are more sought after at my level are BRD or RDM.

[Sykarah]

As I have yet to pass the 30 lvl, I am refering to the 1-30 range. I am not too sure about higher lvls: have yet to get my paladin to lvl 16. Still, when i search a random area (ie Valkurm, Qufim, Yhutunga) i find that paladins outnumber almost all other advanced classes, although i realize that i usually only search the low lvling areas.

[vagtark]

On Ragnarok PLD is too the most popular job than any other advance job. During Peek hours there are over 200 people playing pld, but it seems like most of the PLDs are JP.

[Lilandra]

indeed imac is right the there is like 8 or 9 NA plds at our lvls and 7 of out of those 9 are in static pts so heh if you like being a pld and you are GOOD come on over to Midgardsormr take the heat off me and imac :P

[kainzero]

at any given time there's only 3-4 PLD in my range, sometimes there are non within 6 levels though, and I almost know all the PLDs that are in my range. On the other hand, I almost know everyone in my range, period.

Actually on Asura, there's an abundance of mages. While putting together a PT, we had PLD/RDM/BRD/WHM, and we got tells from about 3-4 WHM asking us if we had room. This while desparately searching for melee ^^;

[Somajan]

Can't blame people for good taste now.

[Osir]

Well , being on Leviathan and being a paladin, I think their are roughly about 5 or 6 at my lvl range(44-46). I think there are far more dragoons on Leviathan than anything.

[riceburner4540]

paladins are extraordinarily rare on my server (siren). most of the time, we have a war tank...and my past 3 parties have had a sam as MT. we need more paladins!! during peak hours, mebbe 3-4 paladins are on, usually all unavailable for partying.

btw, lvl range is 45-47

[Dark-Cress]

There is like 1 other pld my lvl at peak times. I get lots of invites, even if im in a party XD.
Give the NAs some time past lvl 30 and most will give up on PLD.

[Kagi]

imac and lilandra, I wish I could help take the heat off you guys ; ; I'm considered 'NA' because I came in during the NA retail release, but my timezone is almost like japan's so I play during japan hours... and I find it hard to get parties because of the huge amount of jp pallies seeking x.x I have to compete with them without IME and as a 'gaijin', and most of the time they get invited first, because I flag JE.

You guys are lucky ^^;;

*wants NA timezone*

Ah well, at least I'm (slowly) building up an okay-ish rep with the JPs on midgard. My AF3 was a JP alliance, all you NAs didn't come help :(

Ok back to the topic... I'd say on midgard there are a LOT of jp plds, and very little NA plds, at 56+

[Sanhime]

Maybe its just your server (I doubt it). It is more likely due to, by coincidence, more PLDs currently at your level range.

[imac2much]

Whren no one asked me to help :X I'm always willing to help with key hunts and stuff if I'm not busy. But I digress... to be honest, I only play during days on weekdays. On weekends I generally play at night, during JP peak time. Surprisingly, this is the time I get the most invites. I'm not sure why, maybe they find it funny that I can speak japanese (though quite haltingly, might I hadd), or maybe they just want a big Galka o_o. I never see any other Galka PLD's lfg... only one I know of is matteo and you know he just PT with salvation mostly.

Then again it seems the last few days there has been a severe shortage of PLD, more so than before. Just yesterday I had people begging me to join and offering me money to PT because I told them I was gilfarming >_<

So if this is any motivation at all to you aspiring PLD... you will be VERY wanted at high levels (just as much as WHM at levels 10-30). RDM and BRD will always be the most sought after class, but we're up there too :biggrin: We are not technically the "best" tank (WAR and NIN can be good tanks too) but in random PT, choosing a PLD as main tank is much safer, because it's more common to find a bad NIN (rarely use ninjitsu or throwing items) or bad WAR than a bad PLD. Just my two cents.

[Icemage]

There are not a lot of decent mid-high 50's level NA PLD on Midgardsormr. I can think of maybe a half dozen good (i.e. won't get you killed) NA PLD level 55-60, and maybe another half dozen over 60.

I'm not sure I agree with the concept that any random PLD is necessarily a better tank overall than a NIN or WAR. What I find is that, the higher level you get, the more you get to know a good percentage of the people at your level, so it gets to the point where you almost never send a "random invite." Even if you don't know someone yourself, chances are someone in your party does.

Case in point: I've been /anon as a WHM56 for almost 3 solid days now doing genkai 3, AF stuff for other people, etc. in between bouts of crafting to accumulate money for spells, and I *still* get invites from people needing a WHM for their XP parties. :sweat:

That being said, I *do* see an unusually high number of JP PLD 60+, and I think that is the problem Kagi(Whren) is referring to.


Icemage

[Kagi]

Icemage you make it sound like every pally who doesn't type kana is bad. ^^;

[Icemage]

On the contrary, I love a good PLD tank, be they JP or NA. I don't find that Japanese/Import players are *necessarily* better than their North American counterparts, but overall? Yes, the JP players on the whole tend to be more skilled/better equipped than their NA counterparts.

This shouldn't be a surprise, though - they've had a lot more time to play, and a lot more time to polish their playing styles and accumulate items/equipment/spells/gil/whatever, which tends to make them more effective players as a rule.

This does not mean that NA players are all bad, or that all JP players are all good. Far from it - I've met some really bad JP players, and I know many great NA players. But the numbers don't lie - when I group with JP parties, I "tend" to have better playing experiences than with NA parties. Fewer mistakes, crisper timing, better crisis management. The small differences really do add up.


Icemage

[Geo]

Originally posted by imac2much
Actually I know several people who have beaten the DRG quest dragon with a level 30-35 party. The people who say you need level 45 party are just lazy and/or crappy at the game.

As for summons, the avatars generally require around level 65 PT (assuming no help from higher levels). If you have lvl 65-75 helping you, of course it's easier. My friend recently got all his avatars by paying a set PT a large amount of gil to let him tag along... then again even at level 58 he has more MP than most level 65 BLMs (he has the absolute best equipment and spells for his level except for serket ring. it's amazing), but the PT that helped him was in the upper 60-lower 70s.

As for the abundance of Paladin, what level range are you referring to? There are literally tons of Paladins level 1-40 or so, but people tend to get tired of the job when they either 1) find out they are bad tanks or 2) want to do some damage. Paladins seem to get rarer as we go higher... I can count all the NA Paladins around my level with two hands. That being said, there is a shortage of PLD my level, since I and some of my PLD friends constantly get harrassed with invites when we're busy, forcing us to go /anon. And yes, WHMs outnumber PLDs at higher levels. The only jobs that are more sought after at my level are BRD or RDM.


Wow, you just made me become a PLD. :sweat:

[Lartfor]

There are only 5 American Paladins i know that are 50+ on my server, and one of them is in my LS so i get lots of invites =P. Though i never accept them because I am in a set exp party.

[surgdevil]

well i was going to be a paladin when the ps2 release comes out but after all the talk i might just go to be a dark knight like i was in beta. I will be joining midgard So what do you guys think paladin or dark? i could do either one but i was goin to pick pally for something different

[surgdevil]

wow look at all those spelling mistakes up there:angel: lol im a fn noob

[imac2much]

Both are very good classes, and both are VERY dependent on equipment. If you go DRK, make sure to get as much +ACC as you can (archer/sniper rings, coral gorget, vassago, etc). I PT'ed with a DRK/MNK who had very crappy equipment...... it was sad. I gained TP faster than him. But as for gooooooood DRKs...

Honestly, I think DRK really shines at lvl 60+, especially DRK/THF. I just LOVE trick+LR+guillotine, and if you stack SE on that, that's 700-800 damage worth of hate transferred onto the tank (no need for sneak attack). This way you don't need a "backup tank" like normal THF does (since they need to stack sneak attack with trick and viper/dancing to do decent damage). Absorb spells are also great (absorb-agi will lower its evade for all other melee'ers for instance), and drain and aspir are always a plus. IMO DRK is the most interesting damage dealing melee (next to SAM), so it's not a bad choice. I still prefer PLD but that's a personal preference.

Just keep in mind, there are a million DRK's out there (not as common as DRG but still quite abundant). You better get in the habit of forming your own PT's or you'll sometimes wait entire days without an invite. Doing a /sea all inv 58-61 yesterday I saw 1 PLD (me), 2 WHM, 1 RDM, 3 DRG, 1 MNK, 5 DRK. Ouch.

[Lilandra]

raul pal its been awhile, if you go drk man you definitely i meand DEFINITELY need accuracy gear to compete with most of the JP darks and the Better NA drks. Any ammount of accuracy will help you put in your Comments you have +30 accuracy or more you will get pts much easier then if you dont say anything at all. Anyway good luck and see ya in march :)

[jnixon16]

I'm on Ragnarok and haven't seen a large abundance of Paladins. Since I hit 15+ I've never had more than a 2 or 3 minute wait for a party. And good ones at that. Yes I know later on I'll have problems in Qufim and Khazam andother places but right now I don't have any problems. Other than that I haven't noticed a lot of Paladins.

[Claritin]

Bismarck server seems to have a good amount of PLD.... enough where I don't get bombarded with invites... and yet enough where I get an invite everytime I need one.

I am usually PLD/WAR but I also have a similar lvl WHM/RDM.... right now my PLD/WAR gets groups faster.

The really sad thing... is when I am my PLD/WAR I am always looking for a WHM... and when I am my WHM/RDM I am always looking for a PLD/WAR.... if only I could be both of my job combos at once.....
Back in my everquest days I just played from 3 PC's at once but FF XI on 3 PCs is too complex.

[canine]

Paladins are... DAH BESTEST!!!!!1 ^_^

[Geo]

There are 3 PLDs my level range on Fairy Currently (12-14). I have the best equipment out of all of them... all the spells... and all I can say is that SAM never pleased me this much with gameplay acpect. This is a GREAT job, I also love how Im needed.

PLD > NIN

(PS: All the NINs on Fairy are subbing THF... hah)

[canine]

you should be happy that there are good tankers around.n =D

[Paiku]

That's easily said... most Paladins on many of these servers however, are NOT good tanks. They don't understand the concept of keeping their armor updated at all times (which means if you can't afford that level 46 banded mail at 30-60K a piece, you better start farming gil), using food often (we get the privilege of using some expensive food... other melees pay 2K a stack, we pay three times that), and then there's the whole holding hate issue. Provoke alone isn't enough.

Paladins are a two-way street. If you don't play well, the number of party invites dwindles considerably. However, I have to thank some of those crappy Paladins, because it is always great to have my already inflated ego boosted by "you're an awesome tank" from other players because I end up performing considerably better. If you are a good tank... you'll almost never have a problem getting a party. Nothing beats logging on, and getting an invite mere moments later before you've even had a chance to look at the auction house.

If you decide to play a Paladin, be advised that it can sort of be an expensive class. Your armor MUST be updated at all times. Paper tanks suck ass, and you'll start noticing the difference between a 200-300 damage special hit, and a 400-600 damage special from the same monster dependant on the armor you wear and whether you're eating food.

[Kagi]

Originally posted by Paiku
That's easily said... most Paladins on many of these servers however, are NOT good tanks. They don't understand the concept of keeping their armor updated at all times (which means if you can't afford that level 46 banded mail at 30-60K a piece, you better start farming gil)

I didn't get it. :x Lasted till 50 and got a new set of armour.

That said, I agree it's JUST NOT FAIR the price we have to pay for fishkabobs. Even if you synth, you'll still have to spend a fair bit of money for the ingredients, unless you go out and fish/gather the stuff you need.

[Zelld]

6k for 6hours worth of food effect pisses me off...

i am sorry, i don't have 24k to blow a day on food. I just spent damn near 100k to get all my armor updated at 50. I am gonna have to stick to Boiled crab/crayfish which i ahve been stocking in mog, since i can synth it myself...

Made me switch to thief so i can level it to 15 so i can get hunter ability... :sweat:

[imac2much]

There's very little functional difference between Boiled Crab and Fish Mithka. Crab has 4% less def but 2 more vit. If you wear phalanx ring, use boiled crab, if you use vit+3 ring, use fish mithka. Doesn't make much difference regardless.

Honestly PLD is one of the cheapest jobs available at high levels. At first you think they're expensive because we have to upgrade our armor so often, but at level 60 I think we're the cheapest (besides possibly BST or RDM). We have no real expensive equipment except maybe Gluttony Sword, and even that isn't much. I don't mean 500k is chump change, but compare it to what other jobs need: damage dealers want 2 sniper rings, expensive weapons like Vassago, etc, peacock charm for the idealists... THF have all the leapin boots, emperor hairpin, etc... NIN and RNG are expensive overall... BLM need spells, and flare is still one of the most expensive spell for sale... WHM needs raise2, erase, astral shield, astral rings, etc... BRD needs all those songs, monster signa, jestercape+1, etc... And remember you can't resell spells and songs after you're done using them...

I have all the best equipment I can get already except some HNM crafted stuff like byrnie and anemit/behemoth mantle, and even now my total equipment is worth less than what most other jobs need. And most melee'ers I team with who try their best use meat chiefkabobs anyway, which are the same price as fish mithkabobs. So, even though PLD are rather expensive to keep up to date until we get AF, after full AF, we are one of the cheapest to maintain. I don't see myself upgrading any equipment I have at all except my shield (and neck->darksteel gorget, but that's cheap). Yes, General Shield, etc, are expensive, but that's it... and if you refer to HNM stuff as being expensive (byrnie, anemit mantle,etc), realize other melee want that stuff as well... especially hauberk.

We have no multimillion piece of equipment we really need unlike other jobs (hauberk, that E-something bow, balmung, flare). I consider ourselves lucky.

edit: Just checked AH price of General's Shield (the shield with +enmity)... it's not that expenisve... about 200-250k. Again, we don't need anything worth millions.

[Kagi]

Rug has a point ^^; especially since many plds use their AF all the way to 75 for that precious enmity+ . Drks and drgs soon outgrow their AF and have to upgrade to new equip....

[Icemage]

From where I see, expense-wise, from most to least expensive overall (assuming you want to be considered "good" at what you do):

Very High Cost: RNG, NIN
High Cost: RDM, WHM, BLM
Average Cost: PLD, MNK, DRG, SAM, BST, BRD, THF, DRK
Low Cost: SMN

6k for 6hours worth of food effect pisses me off...

If you want to complain about fish mithkabobs being 6k per 6 hours, so be it, but I have spent 2+ weeks collecting the necessary money to buy a single spell - Raise II (450-500K on Midgardsormr), and am still not quite there. I will never be able to recover the money from this purchase, unlike equipment that you can just sell back to finance your next piece. 100K to update your armor? Drop in the bucket.

And if you think that's expensive, ask a good Ninja how much they spent *per battle* on Ninja powders. You'll be shocked.


Icemage

[imac2much]

This is just my opinion mind you, but I politely disagree. Also keep in mind this is dealing with my server's economy (which is really effed up). Also note I am referring to how costly these jobs are to be prime and effective, but not to the point of overkill (i.e. I'm not really factoring in things like serket rings since they aren't necessary at all for a mage, astral rings do just fine). I feel it should be ranked in this order:

Very High Cost: 1) NIN 2) RNG
High Cost: DRK, DRG, SAM, MNK > THF > BLM > BRD
Average Cost: PLD > WHM > RDM > BST
Low Cost: SMN

NIN and RNG are definitely the highest since they shell out several tens of thousands of gil per XP PT. NIN edge out RNG since a good NIN will use a LOT of powders (not just utsusemi) and throwing stars, whereas RNG just shoot arrows.

Damage dealers will be the second most expensive, mainly because +accuracy equipment is just so damn expensive. Sniper rings are 300k each, good weapons are also pretty expensive (like the aforementioned Vassago Scythe). Also, they will eventually have to replace their AF (i.e. free) armor with a set of Thick armor and/or HNM crafted equipment (i.e. Hauberk, Anemit mantle). THF doesn't need the +ACC as bad (use +DEX and +AGI in slots instead if they can) but much of their +DEX/AGI equipment gets costly as well (we all know how much emperor hairpins and leaping boots are now). BLM spells tend to be very costly, namely ancient spells... I believe Flare is a million or so? BRD needs a lot of spells, monster signa, and tons of instruments (preferably the HQ versions), which really add up.

I don't see how RDM and WHM are expensive. They have a *few* spells that breaks the 100k mark (Raise 2, Phalanx, Erase), but most of their other spells are a lot more affordable. They don't really ever have to replace their AF armor. RDM, IMO, is one of the cheapest jobs since their 2 most important spells, Refresh and Dispel, only cost like 40k and 60k each respectively. Maybe this sounds like a lot at level 30 or 40, but at level 60-75 this is nothing compared to what everyone else has to pay. As you said, Icemage, Raise2 is expensive, but my sword costs the same price, as does most other damage dealers' (esp when you factor in sniper rings). Like Whren said, Paladins don't really need to upgrade their AF equipment except maybe the boots... otherwise the +enmity is just too sexy to replace. I have seen a few with some HNM body armor and back piece, but those aren't really necessary (we're tankers, not damage dealers... an additional +10 or +20 attack won't help that much). BST's only expensive piece of equipment is monster signa... otherwise everything else is pretty cheap in my experience. Yes, corsette+1, jester cape+1, etc, can be expensive, but you can easily just use the normal versions of those.

SMN is the cheapest hands down. Their avatars don't cost money, they don't need to upgrade from their AF equipment... their only expensive piece of equipment I can think of is Vermilion Cloak. But they don't need expensive armor, spells, scrolls, weapons... I think they can manage.

Sorry for the long post... I'm sure everyone has different opinions, but this is just how I see it. And the argument of "armor can be sold" doesn't really work here, since I'm mainly talking about ideal equipment (meaning you probably won't sell these anytime soon... until you get several mil to get the HNM based equipment that is better).

[Icemage]

Hehe, you've been playing PLD too long, Rugs ^^ I'm on the same server as you, remember?

Take a look at the spell cost and you'll see what I'm talking about:

WHM required spell costs(unrecoverable, assuming lowest price):
Level 1-20: ~25K
Level 21-30: ~50k
Level 31-40: ~100K
Level 41-50: ~60K
Level 51-60: ~50K

This does NOT include the following spells:
Teleport-Mea
Teleport-Dem
Teleport-Holla
Teleport-Altep
Teleport-Yhoat
Teleport-Vahzl
Erase
Raise II
Holy
Banish series
Protect series (I included Protectra series above)
Shell series (I included Shellra series above)

Looking at the total spell cost, at level 57, I've spent about 300K of gil just on basic necessary vendor spells. If I'd bought my Teleport spells instead of questing for them (VERY time-consuming), I'd be down another 250K. Erase is another 350K. Raise II is 450K. So to match your "prime and effective" total, I'm down 1.3 million gil if I buy all my spells, none of which I'll ever see again.

I haven't even started talking about equipment yet (which, while not "quite" as expensive as melee equipment, still leaves a sizable hole in your pocket as you gain levels). Plus, you can resell your old equipment for roughly the same cost as you bought it (well, if you're not an idiot and pay twice as much as the last person, like some people do).

BLM and RDM have similar issues with their spells, even if you don't count luxuries like Flare (1M gil on Midgardsormr!), or Phalanx (350K or so).

Still think melee is more expensive than mage? I don't think so.


Icemage

P.S. Mages get JSE equipment which is MORE expensive in some cases than the melee equivalents. (WHM JSE armor requires a dropped item from King Behemoth, for instance)

[kainzero]

every job is expensive =\
6k/6hr is pushing it, since there are always those AFK people, deaths, leave in the middle of food effect, etc. maybe more like 6k/4hr.
you get kicked as a PLD if you don't have sufficient eq. you won't get kicked as a WHM if you don't have sufficient eq. yeah you need spells and whatever, but eq wise, no.

PLD aren't that expensive now that I think about it. you can buy a lot of stuff off of CP. From 24-45, if you buy chain, almost all your armor costs the same. using body plate as comparison:

15k for chain body (24)
15k for centy/royal sq. body (30)
9k for plate body (40)
30k for brigandine (45)

kite shield is given, lasts you to heater which is about 6k? 9k? sphenes are dirt cheap. swords, centy is cp/11k, hunting is 20k, then you go AF1 until 40k TM Espadon. earth mantle is about 30k, but you don't REALLY need it, although it helps. i use wolf+1 still.

of course at 50, everything goes through the roof. phalanxes 30k each, 40k TM Espadon, 40k IM cuirass, 40k IM cuisses, life belt, mythril everything else (which is cheap). we could CP some of it but there's also the EX CP stuff to think about later.

our big money sink is food, when crappy PTs and what not demolish it, or AFK madness or death and stuff. then again, when crabs become popular to fight, crafting meat on the go seems viable.
still, 6k/6hr is pretty expensive for everyone 10-30, maybe even 30-40...

[imac2much]

Icemage, you're right, WHM is more expensive than I thought, considering the Teleport spells.

The other spell costs you listed for your basic needs during level range don't really make too much of a difference though, IMO. Yes, during the course of leveling, you *will* be spending more than melees... much more. But at level 60-70, when you have all AF and melees are still saving up for their good weapons, assault pierces, sniper rings, etc, I think it evens out. But with the addition of the Teleport spells and Erase, I think WHM does indeed become more expensive. I forgot that WHM have some nice equipment to seek as well, Holy Staff and all that or something (I don't remember the names exactly), so if you try to purchase those along with all your spells, I agree, you belong in the High Cost category :D

I still think RDM is one of the cheapest classes. Their most important spells are Refresh and Dispel, like I said, which aren't that expensive. Phalanx is somewhat steep but about same price as one sniper ring. They don't need big defense, since they shouldn't ever get hit... in my past 20-30 levels, I have never let the RDM or WHM get hit except if they ran into an AE, and I think most tanks are the same. So what, they spend like 500-700k total by the time they're level 60? Big deal, most melees, including myself, have spent over 1-1.5 mil on equipment. (Glut sword, 2 astral rings, 2 VIT+3 rings, RK belt, Life belt, Holy Phial/Sandoria collar, Ryl Grd shield, Bat Earrings, Great Swords, Spears, etc) I had to buy some useless spells too like Holy. I'd say this at least equals how much you have spent on your WHM (or very close), and I don't even have Assault Pierces and Sniper rings.

JSE is a very valid point, I totally forgot about it. The reason I forgot, however, is that I have yet to see any mage in JSE. I have seen a few BRD's, WHM's, etc around level 72-74 wearing this other equipment that I can't remember... (I asked to check them with "mitte ii desu ka?" and I recall seeing a lot of cool stat bonuses on the armor... but it wasn't JSE cuz it wasn't just for their job), so I'm guessing it was some HNM thingy.

Revised list :p
Very High Cost: 1) NIN 2) RNG
High Cost: WHM > BLM > DRK, DRG, SAM, MNK > THF > BRD
Average Cost: PLD > RDM > BST
Low Cost: SMN

Bleh, now my list looks all too similar to yours :sweat:

[TheBruce]

Rdm used to be a lot more expensive than it is now. I had a big hand in that.

Refresh used to be 200k and I remember Asher farming for a week straight doing some seriously tedious tasks to get the money for that.

When we first started playing this game RDM was the most expensive class by far. Considering a 200k spell that is a MUST have. A 100k+ spell that is a MUST have, and a 600k spell that they won't get tilll 60+ and maybe not even than. This was all at level 40.

So it depends on how you percieve what an "expensive" class is. For Asher and Orbit to have to raise that kinda dough at level 40, that makes me think that RDM is the most expensive.

And out of the melee damage dealers, darks are the most expensive. The other class's can somewhat get away with less accuracy, but no way a Dark can.

[TheBruce]

Man you up and coming paladins have it ez. :biggrin:

of course at 50, everything goes through the roof. phalanxes 30k each, 40k TM Espadon, 40k IM cuirass, 40k IM cuisses, life belt, mythril everything else (which is cheap). we could CP some of it but there's also the EX CP stuff to think about later.

When I bought this equip it was.

2 Phalanx - 180k

TM Espadon - 90k

IM Cuirass and cuisses - 120k

[imac2much]

Strange, because I recall the price of Refresh being below 100k back when I was in qufim with my WAR. Then in the next month it somehow rose to 200k, due to lack of BCNM40 farming I guess. And now it's back down again.

I don't think that 200k was the norm... it was the exception. Usually it's not that high. Just like how Elidrin and I got phalanx rings for 40-50k apiece, and we didn't buy them much earlier or later than you did.

Gotta play the economy... the fluctuations can be in the hundreds of thousands, sadly enough. Hell, I had to buy Glut at 500k, and just a week before it was selling at 450k consistently... :sweat:

Edit: also keep in mind in other servers Refresh is as low as 8k. So yes, RDM is one of the cheapest jobs out there, except for SMN.

[foobar]

2 Phalanx rings = 90,000 gil
IM Chest and legs = 36,000 CP
T.K. Shield = 75,000 (Can't remember)
R.K. Belt = 70,000 gil
T.M. Espadon = 50,000 gil

And I haven't even started getting the really expensive stuff like Gluttony Sword, Royal Guard Shield, etc. (Its 200K now :().
Sure, I could sell all this equipment later on. Will I? I don't think so. Lv30, Lv40 and Lv50 armor I've kept for BCNM40 and 50 and EFs.
I can see it being cheaper than some jobs but its no walk in the park either.

[imac2much]

Why the heck would you save level 50 equipment? :confused:

I can *sorta* understand why you would keep level 40 equipment for bcnm40... even though most bcnm40 loot costs less now. BCNM60 offers more gil per seal potential, so you could just wait for that.

But, uh, bcnm50? That's an incredilbe waste of seals. There's almost nothing of value in that one, except raise2, and you don't always get it. I see no reason to save level 50 equipment once you hit level 60.

[foobar]

You don't always get Phalanx or Erase in BCNM40 either. My wife is a WHM and I don't feel like running around quicksands, so yeah. :P

[imac2much]

What I mean to say is that you have much more potential to make money per beastman seal in both BCNM 40 and 60 than 50. So if you have a team for BCNM50, just do 40 instead, and you're much more likely to make money in those. You can then use that money to buy raise 2, instead of wasting 50+ seals and only getting JSE rings.

But I understand your sentiment. There are a few other ways to get Raise2 other than BCNM50 and QSC coffer (very rare):
1) Yagudo High priest drops it in Oztroja, but this NM is really tough, so you'll need an alliance.
2) Supposedly some WHM Sahagin in Seaserpent Grotto drops Raise 2 rarely. A lot of people have told me this, but I don't know which one drops it exactly.
3) Several people have also told me that Palborough mines BCNM60 drops Raise2. So if you do that BCNM, you not only may get Raise2, but also Vassago Scythe, Assault Earring, Astral Shield, etc... much more potential than BCNM50.

Just my two cents, sorry if it doesn't help much since I never found Raise2 myself.

[foobar]

Quite the contrary, it helps a lot. I guess I didn't see it your way but I do agree I'll probably have a much greater chance of getting Raise II if I do BCNM40 instead and buy the spell. My fear was that out of my last and only BCNM run, only 2 people got phalanx, another got erase and the rest got only refresh. I've never done BCNM50 before but if the drop rate for Raise II is lower than erase/phalanx, then there is no point indeed.
I've heard of the Pal BCNM60 as well but not first hand from someone who actually got the drop. I'll look into it.

[TheBruce]

Refresh was 150k-200k throughout December and into January. Dispel was 100k for quite a while as well. So when the first NA rdm were coming up they had to shell out 200-300k at level 40 to be productive in parties. Sorry, but that is far from cheap.

On raise II. I've killed the high priest twice and he hasn't dropped raise II. Its doable for a party around 63, he uses benediction so its basically a long fight based on staying power. We've gotten raise II twice doing Palborough BC60.

[Zaptruder]

Hmm... at 55 there's a decent amount of competition on my server even from NA paladins... if I do a "/sea all pld 50-60" I can probably find 20 on at any one time. Although I've gotten lucky I guess in the last couple days.

If anything they're more NA plds around this range 50-60 then there are jp paladins (on Titan anyway) - most jp paladins are in full galant at 65+

Also because there's less NA at the middle-high lvls language barriers can be a problem.

sometimes jp parties will message me in jp (i have JE on) and when they see my reply with the translator or with just romaji, they'll often say sorry, we're looking for JP only (I have only a very basic knowledge of the language).

[Zaptruder]

On my server... the stone series of items +mp belts @ 50 goes from 300-600k so it's not bad... if you can beat the 3 fighting sheep.

First time I tried tho, massive and immediate death.

[Seance]

just wanted to add that bard is one of the cheapest jobs to maintain.

no way that its more expensive than any other mage class (whm,blm,rdm)

[Nanila]

Yes, it's every severs evil plot. We all sell bard items and bard songs cheap so more people will play bards.