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Seraphin
01-28-2004, 01:10 AM
Heres a simple question that I have seen blasted all over the place in this forum...

Why do so many people have issues or poke fun at those of us who actually like to roleplay our characters beyond just blowing stuff up and getting stronger???

I mean, Ive been enjoying the beauty of all the areas I have newly discovered, Ive finnally found the woman who I had been looking for ever since I saw her at level 10... I'v vowed to protect her and its like everyone thinks its a joke. (for more info on this, go here http://www.deviantart.com/view/4969353/ )

Why do you people laugh at those who would take the extra time and get more out of the game than just killing and leveling? Why do you think it's stupid to get married? WHY do you think they call it an RPG?! Besides the fact that that term has been loosely thrown around on lots of games that do not actually merit any form of Roleplaying at all... (eg, most console RPGs)

Just wondering whats wrong with RP in RPGs,
~Seraphin

Jei
01-28-2004, 01:41 AM
never seen anyone here has problem with role playing or take time to explore or anything...

However, the kind of role play that I've seen people ranting, was... ummm here's example

A RDM, roleplaying her character, refused to cast cure. Refused to sit for MP, keep attacking and only cast black magics.

Now her reason she did that, is she wanted to roleplay her character. That's what she wants her toon to be.

That kind of shit, you got the idea. Simply pulling the entire group back from their potential. It's 1 person having fun while 5 others having such painful party experience.

That, is the kind of roleplay I hate. as you know, not doing what they should do in groups.

Alyandah
01-28-2004, 02:00 AM
I agree with Jei. Im not very found of people with crazy RP-macros, or people who are slowing whole group down because they are RP'ers. I have nothing against people who RP, as long as it doesnt effect 'innocents' :p

Im not really a RP'er. I think it can be fun at times, and enjoy the epic story etc., but I dont RP it out that much. As for merrying ingame, thats pretty cool actually. Ive been in weddings in other games, always fun. Id love to see a wedding in ffxi XD

Sizzle
01-28-2004, 02:23 AM
I cant stand RPing. If you RP for the sake of poking fun at something I dont mind. But when I see Tarus running around and in grps with cheesy macros that go off whenever they heal, i get pissed.

stormdragon
01-28-2004, 04:37 AM
In every MMORPG you will find the l33t d00d powergamer whose main focus is to level. Anything that interferes with that will confuse and frustrate them. The secret is to find a group of like-minded players (Which can be hard to do in FFXI because the average NA player is Fifteen Year old Power Gamers.) There is a group that I am part of called the Virtual Role Playing Project. We have groups in DAoC, SWG, and the CoH beta. We are currently trying FFXI to see how it goes.

FFXI has a really good in game storyline and so far we have found it very easy to RP in. Basically we use the concepts of Live Action Role Play (or LARP) in MMORPG's. We have assigned Coordinators that act as storytellers they use the in game storyline along with each player’s background to develop an overall plot. Some players are living NPC’s that are given a specific role and others are just reacting to what’s around them. It can get quite in-depth at times, and it has never interfered with acquiring items or gaining levels if anything it has made it far more interesting than the same old “Monkey push button Monkey get banana” that a lot of these type games are reduced to.

In SWG we about 200 members, and it is a lot of fun. When you have a larger group of fellow Role Players you tend not to notice the l33t d00ds. If you enjoy RPing just find others that do as well and play with them, ignore the idiots just like you would do in real life they really aren't worth the time any way.

jaks6888
01-28-2004, 05:00 AM
damn when i get the game i was planning to role play my character quite a bit depending on what he is. I dont plan to do it so it effects other people too much.
is it sorta frowned upon and will it effect my chances of getting into a party?

xarddrax
01-28-2004, 05:04 AM
Im gonna try not and be rude about this, but i do poke fun of Role players cuz i think its funny. Whenever is hear people doing it i think of a few clips....im sure most of you have seen them, if not, look them up on Google...

"Summoner Geeks"
"Ogre Battle"
"Triumph the insult comic dog at StarWars"

Watch those and im sure youll laugh too,.....unless you are a role player.



Whew..i made it through this post without being overly offensive :cool:

jaks6888
01-28-2004, 05:22 AM
im not quite that bad. i dont rant about gods of light providing healing that i hear some people do.
But then again iv never heard one person that role plays this game call it boring.

stormdragon
01-28-2004, 06:09 AM
Actually Role Players Laugh at that too. In fact the summoner geeks was originally done by Watch Tower a group of D&D players. They were poking fun at the religious right (Accusing D&D to be Satan's game :rolleyes: ) Oh and if you really want to see something funny check out the outtakes of Triumph at Star Wars. There were several people who made him look like a complete ass. It seems to me that those who laugh at Role Players have no concept of what Role Playing is. Just a bunch of pre conceived notions, and stereotyping. But hey that humanity in general isn’t it?

Originally posted by xarddrax
Im gonna try not and be rude about this, but i do poke fun of Role players cuz i think its funny. Whenever is hear people doing it i think of a few clips....im sure most of you have seen them, if not, look them up on Google...

"Summoner Geeks"
"Ogre Battle"
"Triumph the insult comic dog at StarWars"

Watch those and im sure youll laugh too,.....unless you are a role player.



Whew..i made it through this post without being overly offensive :cool:

Carbon
01-28-2004, 06:36 AM
Strictly speaking, other than the adventuring, and statistical aspect (hp, attributes, levels, etc.) shared with pen-and-paper RPGs, the Final Fantasy titles, as well as pretty much 99% of the so called computer/console "RPGs" out there don't involve "role-playing".

My observation is that role-players are like hardcore PKs - in the distinct minority. Maybe an even smaller minority than PKs. Most people seem to range somewhere in the middle.

Cali
01-28-2004, 06:52 AM
I personally don't see any problem about RP... I like makin stupid macro with like 'Star Sybil, Give me strength!!'(I didn't use that one of course, it's an instant-made-up macro for the example).. but I'm not a RPer.. well I wouldn't go extreme as to say 'I don't party with Bastokan or Sandorian, because I am a Windrustian!' or 'I am the SSJ mithra monk, I will save the world(provoke mob off PLD)'(I hate DBZ by the way)...
I do play around messing with people a lot, but those people that have a problem with me playing my own way should be shot =_=; I hate macro that goes 'Combo <tp>' or 'Provoking <t>', invent your own, I saw someone using 'CoMe On F***Er!!' for provoke macro(though it's crap, coz it's totally rude), and it's still better than the by-the-book 'Provoking <t>' .... invent your own funny macro, as long as you give a clear indication of what you are getting and you are provoking, then do it....

Non-RPer just leave RP-er parties or ignore them, but don't laugh at them or say they are stupid for RPing, vice versa for RPer

Seraphin
01-28-2004, 07:41 AM
Yeah, for the most part Ive been able to get along with non-RPers who dont blast me pretty well... This is an example of a conversation my group had last night while taking a trip to Windurst:

I cant remember one of the names so for times sake Im just going to call her "Mythra".

Seraphin: So, where are you two from?
Aelon: Well, I grew up in the residential districts of Bastok and got an early start adventuring in the mines...
Mythra: Im in Cali
Seraphin: Cali? Hm... Ive not heard of that... Is it part of Windurst?
Aelon: LOL
Mythra: Um... yeah, somthing like that... lol
Seraphin: Spendid! So we may be able to see it while were in this country?

And that was that... I stayed in character while not obviously apposing the person for talking OOG (out of game) and she was able to get used to our RP a little more too... And not slow anything down... Now, I dont believe in slowing combat down to talk for a half hour on RP... Unless other players are interested. If anyone seems agrivated I ususally just pull all the other RPers into the fray by saying somthing like "Battle calls..."

Its not hard to do... Just learn to get along with us RPers and you will find yourself having a less stressful time... I try to lead by example that you can RP and still be practical...


~Seraphin

stormdragon
01-28-2004, 09:50 AM
A Game be it Pen and Paper or a computer RPG. Role Playing is up to the individual. You are not going to have a magic device that involes people in Role Playing. Both are nothing more than a background. It up to you to Role Play, or just aquire stuff in both genres.



Originally posted by Carbon
Strictly speaking, other than the adventuring, and statistical aspect (hp, attributes, levels, etc.) shared with pen-and-paper RPGs, the Final Fantasy titles, as well as pretty much 99% of the so called computer/console "RPGs" out there don't involve "role-playing".

My observation is that role-players are like hardcore PKs - in the distinct minority. Maybe an even smaller minority than PKs. Most people seem to range somewhere in the middle.

Tobold
01-29-2004, 05:52 AM
I think the trick is to carefully chose your audience. I've performed a marriage with my friar in the Cathedral of Albion in Dark Age of Camelot, in front of nearly the whole guild. But that was an announced event, and everybody knew it would be role-playing with no xp to be gained.

But walking up to a stranger and starting role-playing with him is like throwing a baseball in his direction and expecting him to play along. Most of the time the other person will be confused, or simply not be willing to play along. It is a wasted effort.

Making cheesy macros is not role-playing, it is just annoying. Role-playing requires creativity and people that are willing to play along. Might be hard to find in most online RPG games, but better to do a long search than trying to impose your minority view on the majority.

Desmar
01-29-2004, 08:01 AM
"Provoking <t>" macros suck... Well sometimes you need just function... And roleplaying is good but you need to keep things so JP's can understand them too (unless you refuse to party w/ JP's).

I would rather someone have an utterly useless provoking macro than someone just provoking and all of a sudden a monsters at our door and gets 2 free hits while we get our $hit together.

And the "I hate cheesey macros its not RP"

That ones open to arguement... Also sometimes people look to find people w/ similar interests. And using a "SSJ Mithra macro" they might be looking for people w/ interests in DBZ.

There are several reasons to play this game, if their reason and your reason aren't compatible... Don't bother them... Odds are they won't bother you.

Desmar

aszid
01-29-2004, 09:13 AM
i'm not really a RP'er... and i don't really have anything against RP'ers either.

however... some RP'ers that i have come across basically are rude and arrogent. essentially refusing to communicate with me unless i play a role as well. now, like i said i have nothing against RP'ers, however anyone that tries to force others to conform to their standards, i do have something against.

as long as you're nice to all the earth folk, then keep enjoying it!

LillithNura
01-29-2004, 08:40 PM
Well heh I have learned to mix RPing and non RPing......and it is kind of funny :p all my macros are RP dealing with the darkness in my soul and the Dark crystal and people seem to like them, and I RP my mithra quite well from what my LS members say :)

exp: Darkness from within my soul, form my scythe's blade!
(Shadow of death)

and I dont care if others RP or not, if I am talking to a non RPer I mix my RPing with normal talk and they are fine with it that way.