Is this what the game will become ( Full og lamos )

[Bambam-Titan]

I just started Mining in bastok yestoday. and yes many PPL down there, but that is okay for me... If u spot one standing on a spot rdy for mining i just turn around to find another spot.

But my time in the mines i found out that many PPL realy dont care about you claiming a spot first they see you standing getting ready to dig and then they just runs over and takes the spot and runs agin....

Then i think to my self wery well if this is the way its going to be then we ned more mining spots in the mines...

What do you say to that.


Do FFXI ned more mining spots. i think i do

[Issaac]

Some people dont care. But i dont think we need more mining spots, this would only ruin the ore prices. We just need to get rid of those players.

[Bambam-Titan]

Originally posted by Issaac
Some people dont care. But i dont think we need more mining spots, this would only ruin the ore prices. We just need to get rid of those players.

I Agree but how *G*
i only know if it becomes more and more commin to do things like that...
it realy going to Suck go mining. And with the time you will become one your self *LOL* for the only reason all others are douing it.( its a shame )

[Kafeen]

Why do people have to be so greedy? They have as much right to be there as you do.

[dworkin]

yeah this is becoming a big problem in the mining aspect of the game. i havent seen it in the logging, or harvesting parts of the game yet. so thats a good sign. but what people are failing to realize is in that one dig, you can lose some very serious money. an that my friend is not cool.
second we shouldn't treat this like some NM witch is every man for them selves. but a mine point should be first come first serve. so jus move along. hell there are alot of mine points. there is really no need to steal them from other players.
really there is nothing we can do, but square should take control of the problem. once is a let it slide type thing. but after that why cant we lable it harrasment? is that not what it is?

[Canadianmonster]

I have mined in the past, and will admit my mining style is done in the same way that you described. Because of one simple reason, there is no in game rule that states if someone touches a “mining point,” they are entitled to its riches. The true rule to mining in the game is that the first person to break the ore from the earth should get the ore, because if you go by that logic of first person to the mining point, it will allow people just to stand there in front of the mining point waiting for it to regenerate within 15 minutes. I would encourage all players to not even try to follow by some made-up rule of conduct, even if it does sound to be very polite way to play. If you do, your only encouraging the outcome of mining, transforming into a boring waiting game, in which mines are full of people just standing there waiting for ore to regenerate. Go and make mining interesting for all players, by turning it into a competition in which players constantly keep moving if they wish to make any profit from their work.

There is one thing I must add, is that even if this method of mining seem insensitive, I will point out that the way people have tried to enforce this made-up rule of conduct is worst then their so called offence. I am speaking about those people who retaliate against those who do not follow the made-up rule of conduct, by following someone for up to an hour, through the mine, by using the “/follow” command. During this hour, they try to get back at the person, by constantly mining the persons mining points so they will just give up and leave. However, it does not end there, while doing this they continuously attack the person verbally and physically (which I mean in the FFXI sense of physical like poke and slap). I do understand why people try to use these methods of punishments on so-called “offenders” because it is good ways for making them feel, the same way you did. Still, the thing is the person who is the so-called offender did not follow you through the mine or constantly harass you in such ways. Furthermore what kind of person has an entire hour to waste, chasing a person through a mine, for the sole purpose of getting back at them for breaking a rule that does not exist?

[xarddrax]

Originally posted by Bambam-Titan
I just started Mining in bastok yestoday. and yes many PPL down there, but that is okay for me... If u spot one standing on a spot rdy for mining i just turn around to find another spot.

But my time in the mines i found out that many PPL realy dont care about you claiming a spot first they see you standing getting ready to dig and then they just runs over and takes the spot and runs agin....

I found a way to beat these claim jumpers at thier own game....put them on auto follow and while following keep scanning for mining points...as soon as the "Claim jumper" finds one...youll see it also and start mining before he can pull his axe out.
Some jerk off took a mining point i was about to mine, so i did the above mentioned technique......i got about 7 ore out of his 10 mine hits that followed...he wasnt too happy and called me a "Mine Follower" in /shout chat......lame. But hey...eye for an eye.

[Canadianmonster]

Your idea of following a person, is not eye for an eye. Because even if it was wrong, he only did it did it to you once, he did not follow around for up to an hour doing it, nor did he harass you while doing it. Plus isn't it kind of pathetic that you find it fun, to follow a person around a mine for over an hour. How much of a loser do you have to be, to find that in any way gratifying. Simply give up on this made-up way of conduct, and play the game the way it was suppose to be. If mining was ment to be done in the was you want it, the programmers would have set the game in such a way.

[Hadoken]

I have to agree. If someone "steals" a mining point out from under your nose and their motive is to make a profit, that's totally fine. If you steal someone's mining repeatedly for the motive of harassing them and pissing them off, that's not okay.

People should just use whatever method is effective for them when they mine. There's no reason to turn it into a moral issue and inflict rules on each other that just turn it into a boring game of standing around at a spot waiting for ore.

[TaipanX]

When I first started mining I stayed away from other people mining but I soon found out thats not how things work. It first started when this japanese guy would run up and say something as he started mining where I was. He did this 4 times in a row and I was like "Isn't that considered rude?" It happened a few times more and I just said forget it and now I mine where other people are. I wish it could be the same as when you claim a mob (name turns purple) but it isn't so if thats the way SE intended it and the way people play then who am I to argue. I just cant wait till I get to higher levels and can mine in other areas that might not be as populated as the one in bastok:sweat:

[Bambam-Titan]

Originally posted by Kafeen
Why do people have to be so greedy? They have as much right to be there as you do.

Do u understand what it is i am posting?
I am not a Greedy one.

I mean over and over i stand on a spot getting redy to Dig, i am not the fastest one but when im rdy to dig the person behind med just saw the spot and starts diging or take the spot from me and others is that Fair gaming? NO it is not.

[Canadianmonster]

I cannot believe you are so determined to stand by the made-up rule of conduct for mining. The reason why the programmers designed mining in such a way is to encourage competition; your argument is like a player at a basketball game complaining that someone stole his ball. It might make you feel upset that you where so close to getting some ore at the end of the day the conduct you are complaining about is something that is allowed. How can you think that you and those who believe in such a false rule of conduct have some right to determine how players in the game must conduct them selves? Even worst you try to enforce this rule that you have created, you are willing to break in game rules of conduct, which “do” exist by harassing players to a point that they leave the area or give in to your way of playing.

[Kafeen]

Originally posted by Bambam-Titan


Do u understand what it is i am posting?
I am not a Greedy one.

I mean over and over i stand on a spot getting redy to Dig, i am not the fastest one but when im rdy to dig the person behind med just saw the spot and starts diging or take the spot from me and others is that Fair gaming? NO it is not. From what I've seen points normally last for more than 1 dig anyway. If you want to make sure you get it first, be faster. Mining spots are there for everyone to use, there's no point crying about it because someone beats you to it.

[Desmar]

The way to fix it is to make mining points 'static' i.e. they stay, pickaxes dont break (only need one cost increases but they work like fishing rods in the stronger the pickaxe you have the stronger the ore). And then make ore in general alot more rare... I.e. 100 swings gets you 10% copper, 3% iron, 2% tin, .5% darksteel (in Zeruhn).

[dworkin]

you people are so sad to run up behind someone an mine a spot they are already in front of. an hell if there isnt no such thing as a code of conduct. i mean you ever read those damn rules? i mean f i wanted too i could have gotten about 100 members kicked off the game do to obsene names, an laungrage. but i also understand that we all play a style, an express ourselves via. those ways, an im all cool with that. but mine jumping??
sit there an think how the game would be if it didnt followed the code of conduct. your about too kill a nm, an out of the blue i came out of no where with "jump" not only killing your monster, but taking its rare drop.. i can go on, but i think i made my point.
the reason why i feel this way is i have dug up 8 straight iron ore without a break, i have dug up 2 straight plat ore. an not a single break. so yeah you can see why some of us might get pissed. so if you have to resort to stealing spots because your to slow, or because you have no f'in clue where others spots might be, maybe you should seriouly think of some other way to make money. or just simply pass an move on!

[xarddrax]

There isnt a real "Rule" for mining, but there is an unwritten rule and its part of the FFXI society. The same way a BST shouldnt bring the Kraken to the entrance of Qufim and release him, or a lvl 35 shouldnt train 50 Quadavs in Palbough mines to the entrance.... its common courteousy.

Thats why dickheads that steal mining spots should be punished. And since there are too many kids playing this game (and adults acting like children) certain unwritten rules should be punished when broken. And since we have no "policing force" for trivial matters like claim jumping. You have to take it into your own hands.

I'll tell you one thing, after i followed that guy around stealing his spots after he got mine (and it was for only about 5 minutes...not hours), he didnt claim jump me the rest of the night. So obviously he learned his lesson. And im not saying that claiming a spot is 100% cool (especially when the place is full), but when there are 8 people in Zeruhn and none of them are lower than level 28, it shouldnt be an issue claiming just one. After all, there are at least 12 spots that spawn ore in there.