Dragoon vs Dark Knight

[fatboy2]

I'm a dragoon fan and i'm going to be one but i just want to know right now whether i'm going to get creamed by a dark knight when pvp comes out. I heard that dark knights do a lot more damage in later levels.

[tomc1988t]

drk knights are hands down the best melee(ranger isnt melee) your wyrven could take care of some of the damage you dont do(they do 1/3 their masters damage) dragoons get penta alot earlier then dark knights get guilotine...


w/o wyrven most of the drgs ive grouped with are rather weak compared to my damage output tho -_-

[Jokerboy1]

There going to let people fight each other???? That would be too cool..

[tomc1988t]

lol ya pvp country v country style its not PK because you goto a diffrent realm..so you dont get Fcked trying to level up a low level ^_^

[fatboy2]

PvP sounds fun.

So basically we would still get our butts kicked if it were 1 on 1?

[tomc1988t]

that all depends..if the DRG is with HNM/NM drops and craft only stuff...and the drk is in generic equipment..then the drg would simply kick the drks ass......if the jobs are so closely damage wise and drk has edge with offense(small) and drg has edge defense (small)....with same equipment(except weapon (-_-;)....and drk had full spells and both had a good subjob that was fully leveld...then it would be intresting to watch ^_^

[Rawls]

i would think a pld and a drk would be cool to see too... def vs attack....

and speaking of pvp, a friend of mine had an idea of getting a bunch of nins together and running into a grp of people and all of them using their 2hr lol

[Riva]

At 45 Drks dont outdamage me, and they miss alot. Alot of them scream and cry they outdamage anything and everything. Some of them need to scream "uber" to make up for other shortcomings.

PvP isnt going to be one on one anyway. Don't base job choice on pvp, it isnt even in the game yet and no one knows for sure what it will be.

[Anaki]

im gonna be drg also im thinking of going drg/thf so i can use sneak attack at lvl 30+ and trick attack at very high levels and maybye if possible use suepr jump with it or that 5 times damage weaponskillim just thinknig of the dead rabbits

yes so does anyone know what pvp is ... its duels for gaining conquest points for areas it will mainly be sandoria and windurstians and bastokians all competeing over some land for crystal dominence

[fatboy2]

Okay, thanks for all the post. i kinda feel that dragoons have some sort of chance now. I thought they were complete wimps or something.

[tomc1988t]

riva we dont out damage you..because u have a weapon skill...our melee is stil stronger then yours.....and the thing about pvp and weapon skills is...u try to use penta i take 20 steps backwards..and all your tp is wasted.......^_^

[Riva]

thats why baseing any decisision on pvp is pointless

At the moment, melee cant hit moving targets very well at all in this game, so if if no changes are made, Blm and Rng will rule in a pvp situation

[tomc1988t]

ya i suppose you're right..and theif will get fcked!..because sneak and trick wont happen to easily XD

[Riva]

I can't even begin to imagine what pvp will be in this game, due to the current mechanics I listed above. I don't think S-E knows either, but they sold games with the promise of pvp. Frankly, after 2 years of DAOC, I can do without it. I think DAOC had it right early on, but totally screwed it up over time.

[SAVAGE]

PVP wont be 1v1, it would be STUPID to make it 1v1. Every melee would sub /WHM. Otherwise you wouldnt last. All casters and even rangers would get owned. PVP is party batles, its has to be cause 1v1 wont work.

Oh and tomcatt, that has to be one of the stupidest things ive heard, ill back up and youll waste TP. First off if he starts his penta, no mater wher you were to run he would hit/miss tha same as normal, that was just a retarded comment.

[Hinbin]

If a monster moves out of range between your "So-in-so is readying weaponskill" and when it actually activates, you lose all of your TP. So actually, it would be a legitimate and intellegent tactic.

[sonova]

drks with hauberks , peacock charms , lifebelts and sniper rings dont miss much.

and once they have guillotine you can pretty much forget about going toe to toe with them damage wise

btw i would love to see you sub whm for a 1 on 1 battle
if you are casting you re not hitting. and seeing how theres no complete heal in this game you re gonna be casting alot if you think you are going to use whm spells to stay alive against any decent DPS class

[tomc1988t]

dont forget sonova...if you try to cast against a dark knight you'll most likely be interupted in the middle of it.....;) umm i can settle this at my current level: 40...i have more defense AND more attack then dragoons at my level....with all our current armors and weapons :cool: ...I DID 300 DAMAGE TO A IT CRAWLER! and almost died from all the hate it got me :dead:

[The Heretic]

In my opinion...

With the Wyvren: Dragoon (slightly).

Without the Wyvren: Dark Knight (significantly).

PS: One thing im starting to hate about the Dark Knight population is how highly they think of themselves. Why dont you show me some solid evidence that a Dragoon with a Wyvren is doing less damage per battle than a Dark Knight, until then, shove your heads down a toilet.

[fatboy2]

That seems about right.

[KaworuNagisa]

PvP is in an arena based format.. Sorta like arenas from EQ. Nobody is going to run around and kill people -_-;

I don't understand why people keep spreading false information.

[Cryxen]

if dragoon subbed drk/pally or white mage thier wryven can heal them while they attack without it a dark knight would ready guillotine while a drg super jumps evades it hits the drk depending from where they land they could give a penta and inthe dark knight doesn't "TAKE 20 STEPS BACK" dragoon would definately get all hits in because drk's have crap evasion meaning dark knight would get OWNED!

[The Heretic]

*Scribbles down words on a peice of paper*

*Holds up the peice of paper to show the world*

It reads as follows: "Using red font in a forum is annoying and makes you look like a fool. Dont do it."

[Cryxen]

ok then no red font but it still doesn't change the fact the dragoon would kill the dark knight

[The Heretic]

Arent you a clever one.

[tomc1988t]

ya well heretic cryxen...judging by the stuff under your avatar..it looks like you've never played....and IF you have..i would like you to tell me what level dragoon gets better attack AND defense then dark knight..because right now at 45...i kill all the dragoons i group with in attack and defense~...and as for the drg/whm curing themselves....wyrvens arnt the smartest thing in the world moving wise...so they wont beable to escape dark knights weapon skills.....just pop off a wing of icarus get 100% tp kill the wyrven then go for its purple master.....OR i see the wyrven as a disadvantage~ Drain food ^^ and if u sub whm....it needs mp so aspir food too....i think dark knight would kill a dragoon actually :cool:

[Ariesknight]

Yeah whatever. One thing you fail to realise is that DRG/DRK are bascially equal. However the way in which we would win in PvP is through our Wyvern and abilities as the other guys have said. With a WHM sub we can heal our Status and HP without having to stop attacking. Giving us the advantage. Then u say pull of guillotine, well we dodge it with superjump, u now have 0 TP. We then pull of penta, ur evasion fails u and even if u try to back off or get lucky we'll at least land 3 blows and gain over 50% tp, giving us a tp advantage. Fair enuf u can cast drain, however everytime we skill we are curing ourselves remember, fast penta especialy with SAM sub and we are full healed fast. ok u can cure drain of wyvern but we dont need wyvern to survive. By the time u drain the wyvern we've either interrupted ur spell with an attack or get an advantage on u. If u try to aspir us we can use our other 2 jumps to evade it. U will eventually run out of MP. We will already have superjump and other jumps back by then. Dont forget out Wyvern will also have insta-regen from AF armour, so even if u drain he wont be dead. And if he dies we still have cure froM WHM sub so...it's gonna be close but in the end I think it's game to us.

[jdoe]

Weapon bash, bind, step behind target, soul eater + blood weapon... TP don't matter no more.

[fatboy2]

I think its hard to determine how the battle will go so just assume they're around even.

The bind and move behind opponent thing won't work because you can turn off lock target and turn around. Yes you can do that. From experience I know.

[tomc1988t]

soul eater+ blood weapon=mass ownage~!..i think pld V drk would more intresting to watch tho....drk tries to pull their 2hr..paladin uses theirs and dark knights 2hr dosnt have any effect~

[sonova]

ummmm

dude
subbing whm for wyvern heals is dumb.
seriously its one of the more retarded things i have heard to day
wow you get a 200hp heal with no cast time? right?

wrong
your wyvern has a cast time. its very possible to die before the wyvern breath resolves

and even if you do live its only 200-300hp

what the hell do you think 200-300 hp is going to be against a class thats probably hitting you for 70s- 150s?

really your ONLY hope against a drk is a full berserk penta hit while he is Last Resorted and your wyvern pulls out the right breath attack


you sub WHM you are giving the DRK a free frag

[Xephoid]

Well, I'm a lvl 53 DRK/WAR.

Let me give you my take on the situation.

Between lvl 49-59. DRG has the advantage in pure physical damage. This is entirely attributed to the Penta-Thrust WS. DRK doesn't get a multiple hitting ws until lvl 60, the guillotine.

at which point, everything being equal (equipment, sub, skill, luck), a DRK will win in PvP against a Dragoon.

Damage wise, Guillotine has an edge over Penta. DRK has the nod in term of pure physical damage.

2 hrs. Wyern won't live past round one. It's the first thing the DRK will kill. It's the only 2 hour ability any job has, that could be killed before it's becomes useful. While DRK's 2 hour is quite useful, as it's way of healing himself while causing damage, and can't be stopped from it's use.

Healing ability. Dragoon has no ability to heal himself. Subbing WHM isn't effective when DRG has no MP of it's own. A subed WHM has very little MP, not useful against a strong attack. Mean while, a WHM sub for DRK would have a fairly large pool of MP to work with (since DRK has considerable amount of MP of its own).

Move stopper. DRK has weapon bash and Stun. Dragoon does not.

DRK has magic. While not too strong, but it's better than no magic at all like DRG. Bind, Bio II, Drain, Aspir, Abs-stat are all useful. If DRG gets bound before both side could close within striking distance, the game is pretty much over. Gets bio'ed, nuked a few time with no ability to heal themselves puts them in a serious disadvantage.

Just my 2 cents. :spin:

[fatboy2]

I think you're right.

As much as I want to see a dragoon beating a dark knight I think the dark knight would definately win. I'm staying dragoon though anyways.

[Darkani]

See it like this.

Battle starts
DRG/SAM does Jump, High Jump, Meditate, gets in a few hits and TP is ready, does penta and the DRG should already be under half HP some more hits and jump should be ready again, after the jump penta again the drg can feel dead=) if he happen to get tp up its just to super jump. and hes tp is away=)

[ClydeArrowny]

DRG/WHM with drachen helm...when you have under 1/2 HP and cast a spell your dragon cures you.
DRK/whatever you have a bunch of good dmg abilities, can combine darkness with 2hr for major dmg+HP regen, drain to regen HP, aspir to steal mp from drg if it subs a mage.

Both have up sides to them, both can heal themselves, although personally I think drk has more going for it, however i dont think the PvP will be 1v1 but just some thoughts anyway

[sonova]

See it like this.

Battle starts
DRG/SAM does Jump, High Jump, Meditate, gets in a few hits and TP is ready, does penta and the DRG should already be under half HP some more hits and jump should be ready again, after the jump penta again the drg can feel dead=) if he happen to get tp up its just to super jump. and hes tp is away=)

hi
you realize that jump and high jump not to mention penta can miss right?

also you do realize that your wyvern has shit for HP and will die in probably 2 -4 hits from a drk right?

a duel with a drk will probably have him quaffing a fishkabob and switching on defensive while he kills your wyvern (or he could just sleep it), absorbing your lame meditate penta cheese (probably wont kill him) , switching on blood weapon , berserk , soul eater and going to town on your ass while you sit there and die realizing that using up all your gas in the opening 3 moves is not the key.

and superjump is not an attack, and while you are superjumped you can still be cast on so if you ever super jump the drk is probably going to take the time to drain/debuff you. GG pls come again

[sonova]

i think what alot of you are forgetting is that the DRG is not designed to be a 1 on 1 fighter.

you dudes who want to own up 1 on 1 when PvP goes live should respec to RNG or DRK now and stop asking assinine questions or making weak assumptions based on your limited experience/data

the DRG is simply not a duelist

[JexIntrepid]

I feel with Jump, High Jump, and SuperJump and Penta spam, Drg would do devastating dmg.

Not to mention, Drk have less accuracy, miss more often than Drg, and a Drk has just as bad armor as Drgs really, so whoever hits more will win. Perhaps at lvl 60+ Drks will kick ass wit Guillotine, but before then....Drgs will rule the land of PvP.

The wyvern sucks, no need to mention it, just as Drks magic pretty much sucks and no real need to mention it as well. Can't cast on someone who's so high up in the air, you can't see him. :):eek: where'd he go?

[Xephoid]

DRK has better armor than Dragoon. It can equip all heavy class armor. It only suffers defense penalities if DRK uses last resort or berserk or anything like that. Everything being equal (no buffs for debuffs, DRK will have more defense than a dragoon). DRK's fame for having weak defense stems from the fact that when they are in the party, the are breaking out all of these attackup/defense downs to do the extra damage, since the tank is there to make the defense penalty irrelevant. But they would have to be pretty stupid to lower their defense during a 1 on 1 fight. Ever see a DRK using any of those abilities while soloing anything that doesn't con too weak?

Dragoon as the advantage of 1 accuracy bonus, but DRK gets 2 extra attack bonus. So it's would take less gear for DRK to make up for the accuracy than for a dragoon to make up for the hitting power.

The truth is that penta, while powerful, isn't as powerful as guillotine. With DRK's extra defense, and higher hitting power, trading blows with DRK isn't going to go well for the dragoon.

Jump are a bonus for DRG, but if you have to choose betwen Jump or Magic, I'll pick magic. Jump once very 5 minutes is all nice and dandy, but I would rather drain your once a minute, healing myself and causing you pain.

[sonova]

I feel with Jump, High Jump, and SuperJump and Penta spam, Drg would do devastating dmg.

Not to mention, Drk have less accuracy, miss more often than Drg, and a Drk has just as bad armor as Drgs really, so whoever hits more will win. Perhaps at lvl 60+ Drks will kick ass wit Guillotine, but before then....Drgs will rule the land of PvP.

The wyvern sucks, no need to mention it, just as Drks magic pretty much sucks and no real need to mention it as well. Can't cast on someone who's so high up in the air, you can't see him. where'd he go?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA dude you have no clue what so ever.

1) jump and high jump can miss. Super jump DOES NOT DO DAMAGE HELLO??!!! it is not an attack atm. will this change? i dont know but even if it does jump and high jump only do max of 2x a normal hit with massive variation so its not that impressive. if nothing else this is the first sign that you have no clue

2) only one variant of DRG can do pentaspam , DRG/SAM and once you have used up meditate you are shit out of tricks not to mention you will hit for alot less since you have no berserk/warcry. kk thx

3) wrong boyo.... DRKs have fantastic armour compared to DRGs since they can wear plate armour. not to mention that their AF armour focuses skills and effects that are not dependant on a 2 hour resetting pet that only has approx 1/2 your HP?

4) hello life belt, 2x sniper rings , peacock charm , vassago's scythe ..... and DRGs base evasion isnt even that good so you are so wrong about DRKs missing alot

5) hi, you have no clue about super jump. while you are super jumped ALL spells can hit you. superjump only gives you immunity from physical attacks. all non physical attacks (spells , AEs , dragon/wyvern breath, some WSes) can still hit you believe me i have tried.

6) drks do not need guillotine to kick your drg ass. it just helps alot.
why in the world would you need a 4 hit WS to kill ppl when your normal hits are already connecting for 150+ a pop?

7) drks magic sucks? ummmm dude sleep is pretty good? bio2 and poison2 do continuous damage , cast relatively fast and are also relatively cheap to cast? Bind makes sure that you cannot escape his WS hits? explain to me how it sux really since in 1 on 1 the DRKs small mana pool isnt even a factor since they only need mana for what 4 spells?

heres 10 cents pls buy a clue

[SelfdestButton]

Two things:

1.) This whole flaming session between drks and drgs is bloody rediculous, and the stupidity flowing from some of your mouths is something people with permanent brain defeciencies wouldn't be envious of. The truth is, none of you really KNOW what would happen were a DRG and a DRK to engage one another, and the only real reason your pushing your "points" is to establish yourself as the overseer of your little realm, the enforcer of all things DRK/DRG. Ever stop to think WHY your arguing about this so fervently? Your pseudo nationalism is giving me a headache.

2.) The PvP will probably be like nothing you guys are envisioning at all. The main deficencies and strengths in any class while fighting monsters has alot to do with hate management. In PvP, were you to ignore that, half of some jobs strengths (eg. Super Jump) would be wasted and the game would be horribly imbalanced. What will probably happen is both parties auto engage one another, and that about it, you don't control your characters. They would function as if they were some monster on the field, pumping out its special attacks with the AI, and engaging the person with the most hate. Either that or something like it, I find it hard to believe that they would toss the entire hate strategic element out of the game. This entire arguing about whos better in PvP is retarded. In a PT the DRG looks over at the DRK and envies the death he can pour out, and the DRK looks over and envies the fact that the DRG can empty out his entire reportoire and Super Jump all the hate away.

[Corin Gedaliah]

Originally posted by SelfdestButton
Two things:

1.) This whole flaming session between drks and drgs is bloody rediculous, and the stupidity flowing from some of your mouths is something people with permanent brain defeciencies wouldn't be envious of. The truth is, none of you really KNOW what would happen were a DRG and a DRK to engage one another, and the only real reason your pushing your "points" is to establish yourself as the overseer of your little realm, the enforcer of all things DRK/DRG. Ever stop to think WHY your arguing about this so fervently? Your pseudo nationalism is giving me a headache.

2.) The PvP will probably be like nothing you guys are envisioning at all. The main deficencies and strengths in any class while fighting monsters has alot to do with hate management. In PvP, were you to ignore that, half of some jobs strengths (eg. Super Jump) would be wasted and the game would be horribly imbalanced. What will probably happen is both parties auto engage one another, and that about it, you don't control your characters. They would function as if they were some monster on the field, pumping out its special attacks with the AI, and engaging the person with the most hate. Either that or something like it, I find it hard to believe that they would toss the entire hate strategic element out of the game. This entire arguing about whos better in PvP is retarded. In a PT the DRG looks over at the DRK and envies the death he can pour out, and the DRK looks over and envies the fact that the DRG can empty out his entire reportoire and Super Jump all the hate away.

Agree. Honestly, who cares? Both Jobs are great at what they do--dealing damage. All this intarweb dick swinging is pointless.

[Dredge]

A! From level 1-49 a DRK and DRG are pretty equal.

B! From level 49-59 a DRG is significantly better than a DRK. Penta thrust totally pwns all the DRKs weapon skills.

C! From level 60+ a DRK is significantly better than DRG. Guillotine is slightly better than penta and the power of most mob's AE attacks makes it really hard to keep a wyvern alive. A dragoon without a wyvern is worthless. This cobined with the fact that a DRK gets soul eater, berserk and last resort, where a DRG only gets berserk tips the scale in the DRKs favor.

I'm not going to discuss PvP because no one even knows how PvP works. All I know is that a RNG will destroy everyone.

[JexIntrepid]

i guess i was wrong about superjump, however, i'm pretty sure that it'd save Drgs from Drk's physical dmg which is really the only thing that will hurt them.

As far as accuracy and missing, i don't know if you play Drks, but i've talked to plenty and even with those items, they claim to be as bad (or just a bit better) than Samurais when it comes to missing. Drgs have much better accuracy, and it doesn't really take much (spike neck, beetle+1, etc) to get your Atk equivalent to Drk's attackup.

No one does know what PvP will really include, but should it be an actual fight, i'm sure Drks wouldn't dominate as they claim they will so much. I feel it's a way for drk's to try n' justify their insecurity in joining parties, or their lack of getting into parties, so they pretend they'll own PvP. Heh, i wanted to become a drk, but i've gotten such a bad rep from some of them, i've been second guessing alot.

Maybe Drks do have slightly better defense than Drgs, however, to make an attack stronger than Drg's attacks, at lvl's 49-59 for example, they'll need to use LS, etc which won't help them at all.

Like i've mentioned before, guillotine may own, but if a Drg can superjump it, then it'll miss, and if the Drg follows wit pentaspam, i think they'll have an upperhand. Don't need to agree with me, and if you don't, please don't flame like a fag. (points to sonovan)

[Ruuk]

After reading all this its clear to me that 75% of the people that have posted dont have a clue about what they are talking about.

If you think this is going to be 1v1 pvp your wrong, and most likely havent played a pvp game before. I guess ill start with a list and cover points.

1. No matter which class is stronger with abilities, stats, gear ect. PvP ALWAYS comes down to player skill. The more skilled player at fighting other players will come out ahead just about every time.

2. No one knows much about pvp yet but you can make your own conclusions from reading different materials put out already, that not everyone will be able to pvp, you have to do a quest to become enable, my guess it will be in certain areas only, (probably in limbo) and if youv read anything on limbo the areas there are going to require a party so 99% your going to be with 5 or more people at all times.

3. Next retard that says "LLOOLOLOLZ if you kill the wyvern DRG is useless HURHUR", i hope you die from diaherria irl. While the Wyvern is an execellent damaging addition, its not going to break us if it dies. Lets see you kill my wyvern and assume im worthless as i poke you with a high damage lance and jump on your face. People that say this obviously have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to dragoons.

Lets recap shall we, Class and gear doesnt make you a good at pvp, its 95% skill 5% gear/class, im assuming there wont be much 1v1 going on at all, i know for a fact ill always be with my permagroup when in a pvp area. Gaggots who say "DRG without their wyverns are useless", are downys.

So basicly it isnt going to matter "which class can wtfpwn" the other, because the outcome will always be different per person/group and skillwise.

[Dredge]

OK, a DRG without a wyvern isn't useless. But if you think a DRG without a wyvern can equal a DRK when it comes to pure damage you're fooling yourself, especially after 60 when DRGs don't have an edge as far as weapon skills are concerned.

[Rico]

DRG and DRK are great damage dealer but if you saying who is stronger over what the job I personaly will the "top" best melee is Red Mage :) nobody can't stand a chance :)

[sonova]

i guess i was wrong about superjump, however, i'm pretty sure that it'd save Drgs from Drk's physical dmg which is really the only thing that will hurt them.

wrong

As far as accuracy and missing, i don't know if you play Drks, but i've talked to plenty and even with those items, they claim to be as bad (or just a bit better) than Samurais when it comes to missing. Drgs have much better accuracy, and it doesn't really take much (spike neck, beetle+1, etc) to get your Atk equivalent to Drk's attackup.

dude ..... you have 1 acc bonus trait thats only = to about 10-15 acc going by how the other bonus traits are calculated.

also are you fucking retarded? when ppl say they miss they are usually missing on IT mobs who are at least 4-6 levels above them.

try fighting evens and see how much you miss. unless you re limp dicked lamer who only fights ppl 5 lvls below you ......


Maybe Drks do have slightly better defense than Drgs, however, to make an attack stronger than Drg's attacks, at lvl's 49-59 for example, they'll need to use LS, etc which won't help them at all.

ummmm no they dont have to use that ... they could always use soul eater or get this ... not use a skill at all until they are assured the kill?

wow you have all the tactical aspirations of mouldy cheese


Like i've mentioned before, guillotine may own, but if a Drg can superjump it, then it'll miss, and if the Drg follows wit pentaspam, i think they'll have an upperhand. Don't need to agree with me, and if you don't, please don't flame like a fag. (points to sonovan)

hi, do you have force powers? cause you will need them to be able to activate superjump fast enough thru the lag , spam or any other bullshit since the jump abilities are not instantaneous.
even if you do pull it off so what? the DRK just chops you up again and i can assure you that his hits are going to be alot more painful than yours.
its not like the DRK commits suicide in shame just because his guillotine misses.

why dont you work on your tactics instead of wasting ppls time with your inane drivel?

[The Heretic]

I think this topic needs to be closed.

And for the record, I have the game, I play the game, I just dont update my info below my Avatar.

[tomc1988t]

well i do think this topic should be closed ;) .....PVP WONT BE 1v1 SO IT DOSNT MATTER WHO IS BETTER!!!..dont compare it for pvp..compare it with friend in grp with weapon skills and normal dmg.....and tanking abilitys :thumbsup:

[Apexx]

Xephoid is basically right on everything he has said...

If the Dark Knight has infinity gil to spend, he will be able to wear better overall equipment that will boost his attack and defense far beyond what a Dragoon can even try to equip. Even so, that requires multiple millions, which few NA players have I'm guessing.

However :: I have a Lv59 DRG now, and throughout every single PT when a DRK has "challenged" me for damage output, not one has come close yet. Yes, I understand Guillotine is a crazy good WS, however DRK is mediocre at best until LV60, and even so I am guessing they will all be too excited to have a useful WS that they will go crazy with Guillotine, much like I did when I first got Penta, that one of two things will happen...
#1 They will get themselves killed because they will have too much hate, and then complain to the tank how they can't take hate back from Last Resort SoulEater Berserk Guillotine every time they have TP...
#2 The PT has a smart member who realizes more multi-hit WS the PT does to the mob, more WS the mob does back, and make the DRK save TP until it is a killing blow, or @300%.

Either way leaving what the DRK has looked forward to for 60 levels, to be something not quite as useful as thought.

DRK are really good for farming in Beadeaux at least^^
GG?

[sonova]

yeah penta is abusive but when they get guillotine the competition is over =/

my point is that in a straight up fight max lvl drg vs max lvl drk there is really no competition.

those who think that their cheesy drg/sam penta spam is going to win them the day is going to get a sharp kick in the balls when they realize PVP is alot more complex than just going auto attack and clicking penta till it dies =P

[dworkin]

you guys keep up the arguing, cause really i find it very amusing. i just find it sad, that the most powerful damage dealer in the game, has thee most lamest adv job quest i have ever seen. i mean what a freakin joke! cause nothing aggros you at lvl 30 in palborough mines, an if so 2 hits an move on to boat, then spend 30 minutes killin mobs go meet zeid. ohhh wow soooooooo tuff. :p so talk all the trash you want, i know i didnt jus go the route of the easiest an quickest adv job...

[sonova]

i am drg?

easiest adv job ever is BST?
second is RNG?
3rd is DRK and PAL?
4th is brd just from the running involved?

[SelfdestButton]

Sonova, you desperately need to be brought down a notch. You also need to shut up, since your idiotic rambling is having adverse affects on the health of the people who go through the agony of reading your messages.

Are you that concerned about which class is better? Do you have some kind of problem? Dad's been abusing you? It's ok. I haven't been there but you know I can empathize.

Your piddly attempts at rhetoric are physically painful to decipher, stop trying to put some semblance of grammar into your writing. It's sad, and I despair of the human genepool because it has spawned something as phenominally dull as you. Don't reply, just go into a corner and console yourself in the fact that the black hole inside your cranium will soon swallow the rest of the universe.

[Hibiki]

why is this thread still alive?
I guess I have to add to it
when lfg: drg - compete w/ 2-3 other drgs
drk - compete w/ 20-30 other drks (98% of which are piss poor NA players that don't do anything but use soul eater)

[TBoTB]

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