Questions about Convert

[sihtzu]

just some questions about Convert

before a Convert,astral rings & gold hairpins are switched in , do you switch back to your previous eq after the convert

will tarus need to get those hp to mp eq as well ?

Around what % of your mp should you convert at , when you are soloing/PTing

[Discordian]

This has been asked before. Its instant so its like Elemental Seal, pop. Done.

Before Convert (theoretical numbers pulled from my numpad)
527/630 HP
29/312 MP

After Convert
29/630 HP
312/312 MP

What it does is switch the values in the stats in an instant. If you have excess HP it gets discarded. When you do this immediatly drop a cure2 and a cure3 on yourself so that you won't die. If the team is doing their job right you shouldn't be taking damage anyways.

My tip is to time this AFTER a gob has used a bomb or started a Golden Rush because you will know that you have time to pull this off. Convert is awesome, keeps chains going, saves lives, ect.

If you want a better convert and have the extra packspace make a macro like this.

/p Converting HP AND MP !
/equip astral ring left hand
/equip astral ring right hand
/ja "Convert" <me>
/ma "Cure II" <me>

That way the extra HP that gets converted can be used to healing yoruself back up. Your next macro could be like this.

/ma "Cure II" <me>
/wait 5
/ma "Cure II" <me>
/equip Sand d'dorian ring
/equip someother ring

Then you are back at almost full MP and you have half of your HP back. Just takes two macros, easy to time. Very cool.

[Patchinko]

Does Convert bring on any hate at all?

[Apple Pie]

It creates just a small amount of hate but if a tank keeps locking mobs on her/himself, there's no problem using it even during the battle. Be sure to cast Stoneskin in advance.

[Discordian]

By the time you want to use convert, stoneskin won't help. It will be either timing correctly or moving away from the fight before convert.

I feel fairly safe in my parties, I don't smear myself with hate like suntan lotion. I do it in moderate doses. If Convert brings any hate, its very small.

[Maxim]

Stoneskin is important if there is any doubt that the PLD can keep aggro or if the monster uses an area attack. Dying with full MP is the worst way for a mage to die. When you're in cramped areas like Kuftal you can't stand far away enough to avoid the Crab's bubble attack thingy so Stoneskin has its uses.

Keep in mind that if you're Converting in the middle of battle it means you are desperate for MP. Obviously you're going to use a good portion of that Converted MP for Casting CureIV or CureIII on yourself, the tanks, or both. You can accumulate a lot of hate during that short amount of time so it's better to just spend a small amount of MP casting Stoneskin and absorb a bit of the monster's attack so you don't have to spend more MP healing yourself and risk dying. Dying with 75% MP isn't that fun either.

I almost never Convert in the middle of battle anymore (part of the reason is that I don't have to anymore). I only Convert during links where MP drains fast. SleepII gets you a lot of hate as well too, so Stoneskin up.

[Apple Pie]

I feel fairly safe in my parties, I don't smear myself with hate like suntan lotion.
So, you've never faced with the situation where 2 or 3 IT mobs linking either by accident or by puller's mistake.

In this situation, we have to make other 1 or 2 of them sleep and we have to kill them one by one but we are likely to use up all our MP during the battle and we're forced to use Convert.

As Maxim explains, SleepI/II generates the highest hate of all enfeebling magic spells and the hate lasts long. Therefore, it's not a good idea to cast CureIII/IV because it is hard for a tank to lock multiple mobs on her/him only with Flash (need 45 secs to recast) and Provoke (need 30 secs to reuse).

Stoneskin generates almost no hate but absorbs 250+ damage and 350+ damage with Phalanx at my LV. After I cast stoneskin and use convert, it is always a PLD that cast CureIII so that he/she can increase mob's hate on him/her. Also, most WHMs give me RegenII and that's it. We can just concentrate on Gravity, and SleepI/II to linked mobs.

We don't like to simply retreat by Escape or Teleport when we have other PTs around. It simply makes us MPKs if we run away and is something dishonorable for us.

[Discordian]

You are talking YOUR level, not my level. The group I'm with pulls well and smart. I hardly ever level with anyone else these days. If we have a problem its because a gob spawned while he was pulling it back. We can deal with that. 1 full blm, and 2 redmage with blm sub. We can deal with putting those to sleep and working on them one at a time.

Since I started leveling with this group I've had a very low amount of problems. Maybe I'm just confident but you'll know when to convert, maybe you'll have to ask the war to pull the enemy off you so that you can use it. Don't know. Then again, thats why we were given that awesome ability chainspell. Convert makes using that a real possibility when things go direly wrong.

[Apple Pie]

I'm not asking how gorgeous your group is with 1BLM and 2RDMs.

You said, "By the time you want to use convert, stoneskin won't help" against what I said in my previous post, didn't you?
there's no problem using it even during the battle. Be sure to cast Stoneskin in advance.
So what do you do if you face such a situation where you have to use convert during the battle? Do you still conclude stoneskin is useless?

I don't think what I'm doing only happens at my LV.

[Discordian]

I havn't found stoneskin a very heavy helper. I think Blink would work better. I have very rarely been under agro in these passed levels from 34-41, I've stopped casting stoneskin because Blink has worked like a champ when I've needed it to. Damage that comes to me it typicly area based damage. Its the warrirors that take almost all the damage in my parties.

I'm not attacking you or calling you stupid or anything. I just come from a different set of experiences.

[Apple Pie]

Well, Blink also works fine in that situation and I agree with you but I'll tell you what.

Blink doesn't work against area-attacking spells like Firaga. Also, it doesn't always carry into effect. I mean, even with Blink on, you may get hit since your two copies randomly catch their attack.

Sure, we should avoid making such a situation where we have to use convert during the battle. We have to find experienced people to have fun and safe leveling. Then, if the hate is completely on our tank, we're still able to cast high LV cures without any problems.

I just want to say stoneskin is useful in a lot of case and it's been saving my life a lot. That even lets us rest even though we are poisoned or get slip damage.

[Discordian]

Excellent. I might start using stoneskin again myself now that my enhancing is almost passed 100. I know about the blink not helping against area damage, thats why I pointed out that most of the damage I take is area damage in nature. I havn't had a great need for stoneskin anyways since I went Hume and have slightly higher defense and a goodly amount of HP to make a nice cusion.

[cyphermogul]

discordian..im glad ur not on my server

[Discordian]

Wonderful. We'll never meet then.

I convert a lot and I havn't died once and I have never taken a hit while doing it because I time the battle and read the logs. While I die one day? Probably and I won't cry about it or make a sad face either. Will I die while not using Convert. Probably and I still won't mind because that happens and its a game. Now that I have Refresh I can aford the cost of casting stoneskin and blink since I can get that MP back before the puller brings the next something in.

All I'm doing is posting what is working for me as a hume right now. If you disagree fine. You don't have to be negative about it, I don't have time, intrest, or taste for a negative flame war.