Question about Gobs & Bomb Toss

[Aeynrieus]

I was told a couple of things last night that I find to hard to believe. I was partied up in the Valkurm Dunes killing Hill Lizards & Gobs (was a great party, too). We were fighting an Ambusher and he was beginning to ready Bomb Toss so I started to run to get out of the splash area. After the fight I was asked why I did that I said I was trying to avoid being hit. They said, you need to circle the enemy to do that. That, in itself baffled me. One of the guys said that he did that and he didn't get hit. I went back and checked the log and sure enough he got hit same as everyone else. Then they said that by circling the gob you can make him get hit by his own bomb. Again that didn't seem to be true.

Can anyone confirm this? I will admit that I am new and certainly haven't battled as many gobs as most people have. If it does indeed work, it would seem to be a pretty serious bug as something like that could unfairly turn a battle in a party's favor (not that most don't mind). Or is this just another case of perpetuated misinformation?

[Strata Sphere]

NOT true!

[Kafeen]

Then a golbin throws a bomb one of two things can happen.
1. He throws it and hits the whole party.
2. He drops it, causes very little damage to you and lots to himself.

[Kurgan]

I'm wondering if hitting it at the right time while it's readying the bomb toss is what causes it to drop the bomb and severely hurt himself. Kind of like interrupting a magic cast.

[Tokiwong]

I think it is random :)

[OnimeNoKyo]

From what i have seen (i'm a mage so maybe a fighter can be more accurate than me), for the goblin to get hit by his own bomb, the person holding the aggro has to go as close as possible to the goblin. Making him drop the bomb and get hit as much or even more than you or the rest of the PT (dmg you take could also depends on your resist to Fire, i think).

Again, this is from what i have seen as a Mage. A fighter class like a WAR or PLD could be more accurate on this manners, since they are the ones getting hit most of the time and the target of this bombs.

[Sent]

I think the only thing that might affect the bomb is shield bash maybe, I personally think it is random.

-Sent

[Aeynrieus]

Ok, thanks guys. That's pretty much what I suspected.

[Telona]

Certain weapon skills (flat blade, smash axe, brain shaker) can interrupt bomb tosses and probably some other specials, but I also think whether they kill themselves with it or not is random.

[FenerManiac]

It works 80% of the time for me.

The one that holds the agro at the moment of Bomb Toss has to circle around the Gob, he will drop the bomb then and will hit himself more then he will hit the party.

It coulde be random as some said but I am always getting hit when I do not circle. When I use this trick he drops the bomb at least 80% of the time.

[Gman]

I heard doing any weapon skill during a certain point in the bomb toss delivery will make the Gob drop it. Although sheild bash, Flat blade, etc will cancel it altogether.

[Telona]

Interesting, maybe I'll try to do some testing when I get a chance. No doubt bomb tosses are what makes fighting goblins such a pain in the rear.

I was reading a thread on here that was discussing partying in Batallia, and basically noobs (which I admit I am still) were crying that goblins were too tough and the experienced players were saying that they're great xp and that's where I picked up the thing about WS interrupting them. Tried it last night and my smash axe worked beautifully, but 5 seconds later he just did it again and so it really didn't matter that I interrupted him once, in that case anyway. Having a way to influence the bomb dropping would seem to me to be a much better option, since the party seems to take less damge.

[Rayne]

Originally posted by Gman
I heard doing any weapon skill during a certain point in the bomb toss delivery will make the Gob drop it. Although sheild bash, Flat blade, etc will cancel it altogether.


The above quote is true. Doing a weapon skill while the gob is preparing to toss the bomb will make him drop it. Requires good timing. Also using any weapon skill/spell that will stun the gob will make him cancel it all together.

[Taurius]

What works best to prevent a bomb from going off is to use Weapon Bash or Shield bash. It's best to have 2 melee/tanks that can cast that skill when going against any mob that does suicide attacks. Works great against bees, gobs, and bombs. Weapon bash and Shield bash is very underused. Most ppl don't realize what's it good for. Whenever a mob is casting a spell/skill that takes a few seconds to perform, using Weapon or Shield Bash will stop it from happening. Of course timing is crucial. And it doesn't work all the time. That's why having 2 players that can cast Weapon/Shield Bash helps to make sure the mob gets stunned. Trust me you'll need good players that know how to use those skills when doing Genkei 1. Bombs and Exos suck with their 1 hit kill attacks >,,<

[Pai Pai Master]

i'm not sure how it works, but i remember getting a hella lot of EXP in shakhrami because nearly every goblin i fought killed itself that way :sweat:

[Osir]

Just Throwing my 2 cents in.

Me and my buddy were messing around and we think that throwing a provoke when the gob is preparing bomb toss will "encourage" him to drop it.

We've experimented with it , and I'm pretty confident it works. Its even saved us from a FAR too powerful gob attacking us.

Just trying to help.

[Hotspot]

Through all the levels it seems to be random... tried to provoke thing, didnt work in Altepa. Usually just good to have someone to stun (ie flat blade, tachi: hobaku etc.). As the only sam last night I was pure stun and only let 3 bombs off all night (one died unfortunately.. but the freak bomb hit the group for 237 ; ; )

[reshi]

wowow
it sound like bomb toss is very horrible!
im glad i didnt experince that yet
iz their a LVL when they do it?
cuz thees thugs and tinkers dont do it, or at lest not to me

[Pai Pai Master]

any goblin has the Bomb Toss ability.

i really don't think it becomes a very devastating attack until you fight goblins in level 15+ areas though, but that's just me.

[Hisdon]

this'll work about 75% of the time but I havn't done it in a while. WHen the gob starts droppin the bomb, mages get far back, melee, get as close as you can to him, this'll cause it have more chance to drop it on himself.

[tazirai]

suicide bomb toss is random.

BUT mage type gobus will drop the bomb more often than melee gobus with high defense.
also an other easy way is to use sleep or sleepII spell when hes charging up.

mages if youhave access to stone skin and sleep is recycling . raise it and all whm need to have bar fira to lower the damge.

also on fire days bomb toss will do more damage and gobus will be less likely to do suicide toss.

hope that helps some.

[Niexist]

I spent a while figuring this out, it seems it doesn't work 100% of the time, so there is some random roll involved.

Basically, all that is required is that the goblin turn 180 degree's. The best way we found to do this was to have a second provoker waiting for him to ready bomb toss. in this way we were able to do 200 exp goblins in valkrum without a very strong party at around lvl 15-16.

[Satyricon]

Umm, doubt this works, I have seen the goblin pull Harlem Globetrotter and throw that bomb behind him to hit the rest of the party. Also, when he drops the bomb, the amount of damage it does is based on his hp. So if he drops that thing near the beggining of the fight, expect some big damage.

[Russta]

If the person the bomb is aimed at runs one way and the other frontliners run the other, only the person with the hate will get hurt by bomb toss. Just make sure the tank doesn't run in the direction of the Mages.

I've heard plenty of rumours of stopping bomb toss, one being to run away then start running back just as he is about to release it. I don't think any of them work and it's just based on some kind of random roll. The Stun WS, Weapon/Shield Bash, Sleep and Lullaby all can definitly stop it though. In the days where Yuhtunga was a good leveling spot I got pretty good at stopping the bombs with Lullaby but you can't take a moment to think about it or it's to late.

[Hisdon]

statistically, it's dropped the bomb more when the melee bum rush it in my testings...but that's jus me

[Ghostraven]

Things that have worked for me in my experience with gobs:

-Shield bash / Wep bash
-"Stun" Blm/Drk spell
-weapon skills with stunning attributes (flat blade, tackle)
-charging the gobs LEFT arm when he is about to throw the bomb (melees crowd him basically)
-Bar fire

[allizard]

Monk's Shoulder Tackle also is a Stun skill and will always stop Bomb Toss.

But I notice the increase frequency when I was in Lower Def Tower. Gob will use Bomb Toss like a few seconds later. I don't think there are anyway to make them drop. It all seems too random.