rdm/thf any good??

[711rocks]

i was wondering if rdm/thf would work any good, does anyone have any ideas on it??

[Maxim]

When soloing for money, THF sub is great. In groups, there are better subs to help support your main job.

[711rocks]

yea i thought it would be usefull since you would have lots of cash for all the scrolls and stuff, plus you'd be good at dodging and stuff but whatever lol. also, does anyone know if rdm/ran would be good?? that would be cool lol stay back and use good ranged attacks for damage while you can cast the support and dehabilitating spells to help everyone else, but i dunno if you mp would suck from it

[Cometgreen]

Having the extra dex and agi from thf would certainly boost the fighter side of the rdm, and I agree that it's great for solo. Unless you're going out for notorious monsters or are looking for a hardcore lvling group, you shouldn't have too much trouble getting an invite. I'm a rdm/war and I've yet to see someone care or say it's bad in a pt; they see me as a versatile paladin of sorts. :)

Rng, imo, is one of the worse options for subs. I'm pretty sure weapon skills of the sub don't affect the main, so all you'd really get is an agi boost. You'd be a little better with a bow, but not much. You may also get some of the tracking abilites of a rng, but I'm not sure about that.

Cometgreen

[711rocks]

oh ok so screw rng lol but i just saw a thread about subbing ANY melee and how it sucks, hope not tho

[Cometgreen]

Subbing a melee job is great for soloing and good in parties at lower lvls. But after a while, your sword skill is pushed back more and more and you get less and less hits, so the melee sub is being wasted. I really wish SE would give Rdms an A- in 1h swords.

There are quite a few rdm/nin out there, which sounds reasonable because you get more dex and, if you want, can dual wield.

Cometgreen

[711rocks]

yea ninja could be a cool sub, the 3 jobs i wanted to lvl were thf nin and rdm andyway thats cool

[Rava]

I really wish SE would give Rdms an A- in 1h swords.

given the redmages spells, don't you think that would be a little overpowered?

[Apple Pie]

Let's take a look at some stats between RDM/BLM and RDM/THF.

RDM57/BLM28 Tarutaru : STR 42, DEX 51, AGI 52, HP 690, MP 604
RDM57/THF28 Tarutaru : STR 44, DEX 53, AGI 53, HP 719, MP 530

Things to know
2 STR = 1 Attack
2 DEX = 1 Hit Rate
2 AGI = 1 Ivasion

Is there any big difference in Melee ability between RDM/BLM and RDM/THF? I don't think there is any. In fact, I prefer RDM/BLM when I go raising some weapon skills alone. Extra 66MP makes a difference to me since I can cast two more CureII. There are also a lot of useful skills (Elemental Seal) and spells (Aspir, Warp, and so on). I only choose RDM/THF when I go making some money for Gilfinder and Treasure Hunter ability.

As for the sword skill between "A" and "B", there isn't much difference in Hit Rate since 5 skill = 1 Hit Rate. We often have a worrior to do Shield Break after LV55 and our sword doesn't miss so many times in this case.

I think the main reason RDM sword is weaker than PLD's is mostly because we cannot equip what they can do. At LV60, PLD can use Bastard Sword (D:43) while RDM can only use Saber (D:36). 7 point difference in damage makes a huge difference especially when we face with very tough++ mobs. PLD's sword is weaker than other attackers like DRK, RNG, and SAM but ours is much weaker and doesn't help to kill mobs faster as a result.

Some may say, "Hey, we have En- spells don't we?" but when we face very tough++ mobs, additional damages caused by En- are often half-resisted. I (LV57) used Enthunder on Robber Crabs (LV64 - 67, weak against Thunder) in Terrigarn but I got something like 7 - 7 - 7 - 14 - 7 - 7 for Enthunder while it is usually 14 - 14 - 14 - 14 - 14 - 14 on weak mobs.

Anyway, after LV41, we really don't have enough time to melee... That's a big problem. What is worse, no one thinks of us and invites as an attacker because there are better attackers like RNG doing 1,000+ damage with Sidewinder... However, I'm fine with current status. I believe Red Mage is basically a mage.

# Edited: STR for RDM/BLM and RDM/THF was opposite.

[711rocks]

oh ok i spose ill also lvl up blm then, but now you got me wonderin lol would whm be more usefull??

[Azael]

If you want a proven PT reliant job than go RDM/BLK or RDM/WHM

for soloing you can do whatever,

/NIN is a viable option for subbing i hear but we will have to see how it pans out in the endgame.

also, all these questions are answered in the RDM sticky, please read it.

[Wafflesrevenge]

I got 22rdm, 16thf, & 10blm honestly when grouping and the like rdm/blm all the way. BUT getting thf to 15 will make you a nice chunk of gil and to top it off while farming stuff rdm/thf rocks! You got the heals/spells/slight meele abilities & gilfinder/steal/(treasure hunter @ 30rdm)

So honestly I recomend you level either whm/blm & thf up :)

[711rocks]

ill work on all of them then lol, gonna take a while, spose that will be worth it tho, change for whatever the party needs

[ingus]

hmm, my RDM is 53 and around L30 i had a subbed Nin 15, it was fun for a while but i soon grew out of it. Nin isn't bad when you are soloing stuff even or lower than you, but since RDM's sword skill isn't all that hot, and have low dex, in group situations where you will fight VT or IT mobs Nin sub just doesn't work. sure your en-line of spell will do double damage because of 2 swords, but you just won't hit.

when soloing, i see no reason to take Nin sub over Thf sub. sure nin has 2 attacks and looks cool, but none of the other Nin job traits will help you one bit. nor does the Ninjutsu because on low lvl mobs you really don't need to blink/invis. so bascially you are trading away Treasure hunter, Gil finder, Steal, Flee and Evade Bonus away for just another weapon in your off hand. seems like a bad trade to me ;)

[711rocks]

thanks everyone, maybe nin wud be a cool sub if u equiped a weapon for stat boosts or somethin, like a rod for magic bonus' or a dagger for the high lvl ws that steal mp, would that work??

[Karinya]

Originally posted by Rava


given the redmages spells, don't you think that would be a little overpowered?

No, because we don't have the STR to back it up. We'd still have most of our melee damage coming from En spells (which don't do more than 5-6 per hit - and that's if they're not resisted). We'd at least be able to occasionally hit with the En spells though. :rolleyes:

It seems that SE doesn't want red mages to be able to attack at all against ITs (we don't even have an evasion reducing spell or an accuracy increaser), even with a melee sub. I think this is going a bit far. I think RDM should have a choice between melee sub, and a more frontline role (Galka and Elvaan would be better at this), and a mage sub and backline role (Tarutaru would be better at this).