Subjob *?*

[Kil'jaden]

I was told by a friend that if I wanted to be a strong warrior / paladin, what I would want to do is subjob as monk.

I dont understand the point of subjob.

If by the rule your subjob is always 1/2 your main job, then I guess I dont see the point in splitting off into a sub when I could level a war to 30, then go advanced job paladin. What would be the advantage of taking a sub of monk as opposed to going full war till 30?

Also, is it true that a paladin wannabe is forced to start in Sandoria because you have to start the 4 part Paladin quest at like level 10, or can I start in Windy and go to Sandy and start it at 30?

[Tokitoki]

Sub jobs give stat boosts to help you lvl along the way. You dont ahve to start in San D'Oria to do the quest you can go later. If you're going to be PLD sub WAR for provoke but MNK is fine for WAR sub. People usually dont pick someone up unless they have a sub job becuase thats the way people are. Itll benefit YOU to get a sub not the other players.

[Aniedi]

Yeah.

You sub a class for its traits/abilities/additions or whatever.
So at 30 you want to be a PAL/WAR, but its a LONG time to 30 unless you are super power leveler. Its not as long to 18 and having a subjob.

So you have to do research to see what would be a good subjob to have from 18 to 30.

It looks like with monk sub all you'd really get is Counter by that time.

With thief sub you'd have gil finder and Evasion bonus.

With samurai you'd have store TP and resist blind.

With ninja, stealth and resist bind.

[Macht]

You'll also get base stat boosts. So like subbing thf with war will give you a +1 dex, you also get the thf's gil finder, steal, treasure hunter, and sneak attack.

If you sub MNK you get a +1 STR and a +HP also MNK gets a Trait of HP Bonus so you get that also for even more HP, along with Counter Attack, Boost, and Focus. Having MNK subbed can help a warrior deal out much more damage in 1 hit. Using the Warriors Beserk ability and stacking Boost on it. Or even make up some of the loss of damage by having 1 of your attacks do better damage when using Defender with Boost.

EDIT:

All the above mentioned also requirs you leveling the sub past lv. 1...If you're expecting a lv. 1 sub to get all of that, otherwise the only bonuses you'll get will not be as worth it.

[Kil'jaden]

Thanks to all who replied, I think I have a better understanding now! I guess I just figured if I was gonna subjob it might detract and set me back some levels due to having to sub and start at level 1 again.

What is the level I should stop the sub job, say monk, and return to warrior?

[Rubik]

Depends on your plans. Optimally your subjob level is always half of your main job level. If you plan on eventually getting an advanced job at 30 you could level a job to 18, do the subjob quest, and get the subjob to 15. That way your subjob won't have to be levelled again until you reach 30 and get your advanced job. If you wanted to be as efficent as possible the job you use as a main to get to 30 would be the one that you plan to use as a sub for your advanced job. So, for example...

1. level a WAR to 18
2. Do the subjob quest
3. Set WAR as sub and MNK as main - at this point you are 1MNK/1WAR
4. Level MNK/WAR to 15
5. Set WAR as main and MNK as sub
6. Level WAR/MNK to 30 - at this point you are 30WAR/15MNK
7. Do the SAM quest.
8. Set SAM as main and WAR as sub. At this point you are 1SAM/1WAR
9. Before you need to touch the subjob again you will be 60SAM/30WAR

OR

1. level a MNK to 18
2. Do the subjob quest
3. Set MNK as sub and WAR as main - at this point you are 1WAR/1MNK
4. Level WAR/MNK to 30 - at this point you are 30WAR/15MNK
5. Do the SAM quest.
6. Set SAM as main and WAR as sub. At this point you are 1SAM/1WAR
7. Before you need to touch the subjob again you will be 60SAM/30WAR

The second scenario involves less switching but 'wastes' 3 levels of MNK

Make sense?

[Court]

I'm sorry I was too distracted by your signature to answer your question.

JESUS CHRIST.


And no, I'm not distracted by their cuteness.

/blind

[Kil'jaden]

Originally posted by Court
I'm sorry I was too distracted by your signature to answer your question.

JESUS CHRIST.


And no, I'm not distracted by their cuteness.

/blind

Oh, then what is distracting you? ^^

Also, Ribik, I appreciate your help! But I am curious, does the sub job and main job level at the same time? If not what do you do? There is a subjob quest?! Strange, I thought there was only advanced job quests...

Additional... you are saying I have to restart at lvl 1 like 3 times?!?!?!

[Court]

Edit: Ok maybe I'm being a dick.

Here's a slightly more tactful less abrasive approach: your signature is unecessarily large, and animated, and colorful. If you could like, take it down 50% size that'd be greatly appreciated.

For those of you that appreciate blue-haired 12 year olds with atypically sized bouncing breasts obscurely wrapped in giant ribbons please refrain from beating me unconcious with dragonball z collectors edition box sets.

[Cassidy]

Yes youll have to start as lvl 1 three times. Main and sub do not level at the same time.

You should be able to lvl war to 18 and do the subjob quest (search for info on it) and then sub monk (which is standard war sub), at this point youll have a 1 monk/1war, you can solo and lvl monk to 10 pretty easily in a day or two. If you never plan on playing monk again i would just got to 10 or 11, then go back to warrior and youll have an 18 war/ 9 mnk....from 20 - 30 on warr you monk sub will remain at 10.

Then do the pally quest and youll have a 1pld/1war, this will last until you get 60pally/30 warr at which point you will need to go lvl warr somemore.

[Kil'jaden]

Originally posted by Court
Edit: Ok maybe I'm being a dick.

Here's a slightly more tactful less abrasive approach: your signature is unecessarily large, and animated, and colorful. If you could like, take it down 50% size that'd be greatly appreciated.

For those of you that appreciate blue-haired 12 year olds with atypically sized bouncing breasts obscurely wrapped in giant ribbons please refrain from beating me unconcious with dragonball z collectors edition box sets.

:sweat:


Yes your being a dick. ^^

They are not 12 year olds, I find it strange you would come up with that number.............

Let me just acknowledge your attempt to be nice about it, thank you. I added them because I love how they are big <but not too big> and colourful and animated. I am sorry if you do not like them, I thought everyone would like them since it seemed an appropriate thing on a game forum. I also like the way they are made, one with bouncy boobs and the cute giant ribbons and the others with facial stuff, very xmasy and fun. <Beats you unconscience with dbz ce boxes> If they are really that bad I will take 2 of them off, like I had before...<no offense> Is it a speed issue for you? Like your on dial up or something? I have seen way bigger sigs than mine, with much... erm, more "interesting" content.

Also, does anyone else find that being made to go to level 1 essentially 5 times <each class seperately> seems a little excessive? Why cant they be leveled the same time and have the main go past the 1/2 way mark... It seems like a big, tedious bunch of busy work of a format. Dont get me wrong, i'll do it, its just i'm pretty sure here is a better way of doing this that they could have made.

[Rubik]

Well, avoiding the topic of the signature and getting back to the main reason for this topic...


When you start the game you can only have one job at a time. Your choices are thief, monk, warrior, red mage, white mage, and black mage. You can swap jobs whenever you want to. You could start a thief and level it to 70 if you wanted to. You could also start a thief, play it for a few levels, go to your mog house, drop the thief job and start as warrior. Your level changes to 1 because you have just started the warrior job. When you switch back to thief you will be whatever level you were when you stopped playing as a thief.

When you reach level 18 you get the option to do a subjob quest. When the quest is complete you have the same six job choices as before but now you can have two jobs at once. Your subjob can be any level up to half of that of your main job. You only get experience points for your main job. When you reach level 30 you can get advanced jobs. Just like the starting jobs you can work on as many advanced jobs as you want but you must do a quest to get each advanced job and you can still have only two jobs at a time. This is harder to explain than it is to illustrate.

Say you start as a thief. You play that thief until you hit 18 and then do the quest. You go to your mog house and set monk as your main job and thief as your subjob. Because you are a level one monk and it is your main job you will be a level 1 monk and a level 1 thief (this is the only time your main job and subjob can be the same level BTW). When you get to level 4 as a monk you automatically become a level 2 thief. As you continue to level your thief you will continue to regain levels in thief, up to the point where you hit level 36. From then on, unless you set thief as a main job, you will no longer level as a thief. To level as a thief you need to set thief to your main job and monk to subjob.

the key points
1. You can have as many jobs as you want
2. Before you do the level 18 quest you can only have one active job.
3. After you do the level 18 quest you can have two active jobs.
4. You can only get experience for whatever your main job is.
5. Your subjob levelcan only ever be as much as half your main job level
6. To level your subjob you must set it as your main job.
7. At level 30 you can do quests to get more jobs.
8. Jobs are jobs - there is nothing different about advance jobs other than you must do quests to get them.
9. Your main job limits your subjob abilities - for example, a WHM/WAR can not wear heavy armor but a WAR/WHM can.
10. Your subjob boosts your main job stats. A BLM/WHM has more MP than a BLM/WAR.

And yes - I am saying that you have to start at level 1 like 3 times - or more (if you want different jobs). This is more enjoyable than it sounds and keeps you from all of a sudden being a high level in a job you are just learning.

*EDIT* I responded to this topic right after I was looking at one where the person had no basic understanding of the job system. I apparently transposed that post into this one when I wrote this reply - sorry - you obviously understand more of the job system than this reply would indicate.

[AvengerXP]

I can't concentrate, you pick a subjob for...

(Looking at sig)

What the hell is that

Ok back on track you just level a couple after reverting to level 1 it's pretty easy to level at that point take 5 levels of monk it's worth it then...

(Looking at sig again in curiosity)

You really need to change that or you'll never be taken seriously.

[Rubik]

You really need to change that or you'll never be taken seriously.


followed up with...


FF XI Sexual Skillchain

Hardening -> Incurve -> Vibration -> Shock -> Burst -> Shrinkage.


;) :p

[KuroiOokami]

Hi Tsu! ^^

ƒmƒV

Here`s what I reccomend you do. Im not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but Ill post it anyway.

Keep on leveling your monk until lvl 18. At that point, if you dont already have all three subquest items, me and Xeno will help you get them ^^;

After you finish the subjob quest, start a war (yes, from level one, but it goes a lot quicker the second time and I can start another job to lvl with you if you want ^^;), and continue with the war until lvl 30. Then, since you want to become a Paladin, you have to do the quest. Xeno can give you the details about it later, since he`s done it. Im sure Xeno and myself can accompany you on the quest. And yes, you can do the quest at lvl 30, no matter which country you start in ^^

As for subjobs, yes, they are very important. There is no reason not to use one, because even if you wanted to be a pure warrior lets say, if you sub a monk you will have much higher hp and strength than if you didnt. Even if you wanted to stay a pure war and didnt want to use any of the monk`s abilities, the stat boosts are very important. Also, you dont lose any stats ^^;

So, hopefully Ill see you tonight ^.^

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[Kil'jaden]

Originally posted by AvengerXP
I can't concentrate, you pick a subjob for...

(Looking at sig)

What the hell is that

Ok back on track you just level a couple after reverting to level 1 it's pretty easy to level at that point take 5 levels of monk it's worth it then...

(Looking at sig again in curiosity)

You really need to change that or you'll never be taken seriously.

Hehehehehehehe kekekekeke ^^

Rubik - Thanks again for your detailing, its very helpful ^^

Hiya Ookami san, erm, kun! ^^ Thanks, I will do that, and i'm going on in a few minutes. My monk was going for NIN/MNK, and i'm making a War to be a PLD/WAR.

Hmm, so its looking like I need to go Mnk/War then Pld/war? What happens to the monk stats/ja/ws?? I hope it doesnt disappear, that would seem not only an incredible waste of time, but just silly too.

>>FF XI Sexual Skillchain

>>Hardening -> Incurve -> Vibration -> Shock -> Burst -> Shrinkage

Hmm... how about: Touching -> Licking -> Nipple Hardening -> Wetness -> Heat distribution -> Fast Rub -> Fast Caress -> Bumping -> Double Wammy ^^ Guys and Girls do it nice, Girls and Girls do it better ,,^^,,

[KuroiOokami]

Ahaha, dont worry Tsu ^^;;;

If you level a monk to lvl 18, and then switch to war and level to 30, you can switch back to monk any time you wish and it will still be level 18. It is possible to be level 70 in every single job (15 of them) on one character. However, that would take an insane amount of time and no one would ever do it ^^;

So all in all, you levels, ws, and ja are exactly as you left them when you switch to another job ^. ~

Oh and check your PM`s before you go on >.<


PS. Hehehe, I just noticed your "skillchain" - very nice ^^; And yes, I find that sig very distracting as well, but in a good way :p

[Kil'jaden]

So I would be:

Pld / War / Monk?

70 / 35 / 17.5?

Is that worth it?

[KuroiOokami]

Yes, that would be right. And yes, I think it is worth it. 1-18 isnt too much in the long run, and it`s fun to play more than one class. Besides, when you sub monk when you start your war, you dont have to worry about leveling your monk ever again, and it will always be good ^^; Same with war, if you lvl it until 30, you wont have to lvl it again until your pal reaches lvl 60.

[Rubik]

So I would be:

Pld / War / Monk?

70 / 35 / 17.5?

Is that worth it?


Actually, you would be

70PLD/35 WAR
or
70PLD/18MNK
or
35WAR/17MNK
or
35WAR/17PAL
or
17MNK/8PAL
or
17MNK/8WAR

at any given time ;)

[Kil'jaden]

Originally posted by Rubik


Actually, you would be

70PLD/35 WAR
or
70PLD/18MNK
or
35WAR/17MNK
or
35WAR/17PAL
or
17MNK/8PAL
or
17MNK/8WAR

at any given time ;)

:sweat:

So you cant have 3 jobs like pld / war / monk?

[Rubik]

Right - only 2 at one time (meaning you can have all the jobs but can only 'equip' two at once.

[Kil'jaden]

Originally posted by Rubik
Right - only 2 at one time (meaning you can have all the jobs but can only 'equip' two at once.

So if I start out as monk, then subjob war, get war to 30 and monk to 15, and decide to go pld, what happens to monk? Is the boosted stats, ws, ja, etc just gone forever <essentially wasting 18 levels, then another 15>?

[KuroiOokami]

Hehe Tsu, Im not sure if you get it yet ^.^;

In your moghouse, you have the option to change into any job you wish. Every time you switch jobs, all your stats, lvl, ja, ws, etc are saved until you choose that class again. So when you get your monk to 18, and switch over to a lvl 1 war, your monk will still be level 18.

However, if you equip the monk as a subjob to the lvl 1 war, the monk`s lvl will temporarily be reduced to half your main job`s lvl. In this case 1. So you will be a lvl 1war/1mnk. However, if you decide to switch back to monk, you will be a lvl 18 monk again, with all your stats, ja, ws, lv, etc ^^

Hope that helped Tsu. I can help you later if you still dont understand ^^ See you later today ^. ~

[Rubik]

Those abilities are gone for as long as MNK in not equipped. When you reequip MNK you ge them back for as long as that job is equipped. As far as your stats (eva, def, etc) I believe those are characteristics of your character, not your job. You should keep those stats regardless of what jobs you have equipped - EXCEPT you can never exceed the cap for your job level. For example, if you were a level 18 MNK and your EVA was at 35, when you became a lvl 1 WAR your EVA might go down to 10 or so because that is the cap for that level (I made the numbers up because I am not sure off the top of my head what the caps are). As your WAR levels and the cap rises you will continue to get back your stats.

[Kil'jaden]

Ok, I get that part, but what I really meant was:

From what it looks like I cannot have "active" PLD / WAR /MNK.... right? One of them will take the "offline" status if I am reading this right. Also - Your saying I "keep" the stats of monk <that was shelfed for PLD/WAR>?

But if its capped at base of lvl 1 jobs until it gets more levels, i'm essentially wasting time going monk because if I go PLD/WAR I can never use the skills, ws, ja, STATS that I got for having it as a subjob, actively. Looking at it makes me kinda wonder why anyone would waste time with a subjob that is going to be essentially "shelfed" and no use to you when you get your advanced job since you cannot have 3 active jobs....

Assuming i'm reading this right.

PS: I REALLY appreciate u alls patience and desire to hep me here. ^^

[Calianeri]

At any time you're only using the abilities of 2 jobs, that's correct. But it's not a waste to level up a third job if you are getting an advanced job, for a couple reasons.

First, you need a subjob from level 18 to at least level 30. Don't play without one, and make sure it is always maxed at half your main job level.

Second, that "extra" job can be swapped in any time it would be helpful to you or your party. Last night for instance, I invited a DRK/RDM to my party. However when we told him we were also looking for a second provoker, he offered to change to DRK/WAR. So I'm glad he had 2 leveled subjobs.

Third, leveling another job can help you raise combat/magic skills, which as others have said are shared between all jobs. I know some PLD/WARs on my server who have leveled WHM to raise their healing and enhancing skill levels. Then when they are playing PLD/WAR, they have access to those skills (possibly temporarily capped due to job level).

[Court]

Disclaimer: This scenario isn't the ideal way to build a character, simply an example.

If you understand everything up to your most recent question, scroll to the bottom part of this post.

Ok, here's a scenario that should answer all your questions:

You install Final Fantasy Online.

You run through the setup and create your first character: a Hume Warrior.

You go kill a few things and after a long time you hit level 18.

At level 18, you have a decision to make. Now available to you is a quest.

You proceed through this quest and two things are accomplished.

1: Your main job, warrior, can now become either a main job or a subjob.

2: There is an additional slot for your character's job. As you asked before, can you be a PLD / WAR / MNK. No, because you only have two slots that will ever be available to you.

Now, at this point you have another decision to make. As of right now, the visual representation of your character's job status would be something like this:

Main Job: [WAR]
Sub Job : [NONE]

Here's what happens.

Either slot can be filled with any base job. I don't want to confuse you, but keep in mind you could even remove warrior so it looked like this:

Main Job: [NONE]
Sub Job : [NONE]

Of course, I'm trying to keep this reasonably simple so let's say you leave the warrior right where it is:

Main Job: [WAR]
Sub Job : [NONE]

That's you right now. You're a warrior. Plain and simple.

Now I'll move on to your mog house.

You enter the mog house. Your moogle gives you a few options.

Ignore him.

Think of your mog house as a giant safe with different departments.

One is for your items.

One is basically a PO Box.

One is for job storage.

Here's a visual representation of the mog house job storage:

Level 1 - 17:

Main Job: [WAR]

Choose a base job to become from the menu:

[WAR] [MNK] [WHM] [RDM] [

Level 18 - 30 (I'll explain 30+ later):

Main Job: [WAR]
Sub Job : [ ??? ]

Choose a MAIN job to become from the menu:

[WAR] [MNK] [WHM] [BLM] [RDM] [THF]

Choose a SUB job to become from the menu:

[WAR] [MNK] [WHM] [BLM] [RDM] [THF]

Ok, this should make sense. I think you already understand this part but I'm making this very comprehensive so you can refer to it if you get confused.

At this point, being level 18, you can figure out what you want to do with your life, so to speak.

You can become a WAR/MNK or a MNK/WAR.

Both slots are open and you can make whatever you want. So we'll decide you suddenly get the urge to make a monk.

Ok, not a problem. You go through the menu, and choose Monk for your main job and WAR for your sub job.

Technically, your warrior is level 18, but now, he's level 1, just like your main job, which is a monk.

This is very simple. Since your warrior is a subjob, you gain the additional stats (like an extra point in STR, for example) that you had as a warrior at level 1.

Your monk is level, and gets all the normal stats she would.

A few rules:

1: Your main job is the only one that gains exp.

2: Your subjob can only be half the level of your main job.

These rules apply like this:

1: As you kill mobs, your monk levels up. Your warrior does not.

2: As your monk levels, your warrior's level cap rises.

2a: Monk hits level 6. Warrior is level 3.
2b: Monk hits level 10. Warrior is level 5.

Ok, since this just coincidentally flows from here I can continue this explanation with little complication.

Once your Monk hits level 30, your warrior is level 15. You're gaining stat bonuses from the level 15 warrior subjob and your monk has all his regular stuff.

At level 30, though, another option is open to you.

You can now access a quest, just like you could at 18, but this one opens the ability to have an advanced job.

Advanced job is simply a job that is not in the base classes. Don't think of advanced job as a new slot or some new ability. I think that's why you're confused. The menu I posted above doesn't change. Let's say you go ahead and run through the advanced job quest for the Dragoon class.

Nice. Now Dragoon is available to you. You head back to your mog house and this is what you see this time:

Main Job: [MNK]
Sub Job : [WAR]

Choose a MAIN job to become from the menu:

[WAR] [MNK] [WHM] [BLM] [RDM] [THF] [b][DRG]

Choose a SUB job to become from the menu:

[WAR] [MNK] [WHM] [RDM] [THF] [b][DRG]

There you have it.

Simple. Let's say you decide you want to be a dragoon now. Advanced subjobs are almost always main jobs. Generally people do not use advanced jobs in subjob positions so you can simplify it even more: The real question is what do you want to be, and what subjob will support it well.

So since you did the dragoon quest, let's just say you decide to be a dragoon. You're a dragoon.

You have a level 30 Monk in your storage, a level 18 Warrior in storage, and all the rest of the jobs are level 1.

You decide on a warrior as the subjob.

This is where you're questioning why in the hell anyone would spend all that time with the monk if they're just going to scrap it later. And yes, to confirm, if you put that monk in storage. You're not getting any benefit from it. It's in storage. That was the whole point of the analogy. You're not using it. So, if you pull that 18 warrior out, stick it in your subjob slot, you get the benefits of the warrior - some of them. Then, you pull out the dragoon in storage and stick it in your main job slot. Now you're officially a DRG/WAR. Hurray.

You now gain abilities from the WAR as you level the DRG. You might get to 40 with the dragoon, then switch back to leveling the warrior so you can keep it around half the level of your dragoon to keep up with the benefits.

So, to answer your question, there is no true point to having a subjob on your mainjob at 18 if you have every intention of pushing your mainjob prior to level 30 to your subjob slot, and putting your advanced job in the main slot. I know that was confusing but read it over a few times it should make sense.

The reason people often become WAR/MNKs or RDM/WAR is because subbing a basic job can be very beneficial for certain combinations. A red mage with a warrior subjob would be excellent, while a redmage isn't exceptionally great as a subjob to any advanced class.

Just an example. I hope this clears everything up for you.

Peace,

Court

[Kil'jaden]

Yea Court, arigato. That was helpful and I appreciate your time and effort in putting that together for me.... STICKY!

So essentially I should level my warrior to 30, then hit PLD. I am not someone who likes to waste time, and going back to 1/1 more than 2 times is just absurd to me.

I guess thats why I like Lineage 2 so much, you progress from level to level, at a certain level you have like 3 choices on job advancement depending on what profession you want, do the quest your now that job with all the hp/mp/levels/stats you had before plus the jobs add-ons, you just get kick butt new abilities available. Simply no mandatory time wasting to further make you stay in leveling hell forever.

Thanks again for your time!

[Court]

That's what I would recommend. Going to level 30 with your warrior to get Paladin. It's faster and you're not "storing" or "shelfing" any job you built up.

Your call :)

Peace,

Court

[Methos1226]

but just keep in mind that going from 18-30 without a sub is more difficult (sorry court, not as easy) then having a sub. that sub will boost your stats in many ways and make you more useful and attractive to pt's. Plus, going from lvl 1-10 isn't that bad for a subjob, i did it in about 5 hours.

keep in mind, if you are lvl 20war looking for a group and a lvl 20/10 war/mnk is looking to, the one with sub will get invite first. at least, that's what i've found, and i admit to looking for ppl like that myself.

[Court]

Why do you have to be a smartass, Methos?

He is absolutely right, Kil, but personally I would rather go right for the advanced class. It's the whole, starting over at level one and building to 20 that I would have a problem with, just to ditch it later.

Personal preference.

[Methos1226]

it's payback for "plethora". i was just kidding, so i hope i didn't piss you off.

starting from lvl 1 again does suck, but keep in mind Kil, having a few jobs built up gives you flexibility. i currently have 30rdm, 10whm, 5war, 18drg, 10drk. When i was doing my drg or drk in the low levels solo, i would use my whm as sub so that i could heal myself and go longer. Once i got to 10 and was joining pt's, i would use my war or rdm as sub depending on the pt need. I've been using drg/drk with the plan to go drg/rdm in the high lvls, but i just got samurai and now i'm gonna play with that a bit (supposed to fit well with drg, which i love)

lvling your second, and third, and fourth jobs do go quicker than the first time. especially if you can find someone to pwr lvl you a few. person in my LS got my from lvl 3-7 in about an hour

[Kil'jaden]

Again, I appreciate everyones input. I must say I would rather do the full 30 then paladin thing. As previously mentioned I dont like to waste my time regressing in levels when I can be building to a powerful goal, even if it means i;m passed up by people who believe a +1 in this stat or +2 in that stat will truly make any real difference (which it doesnt) thats what items are for (that you can wear at higher levels that you cant after regressed to a lower level).

I'm sure you all know I have 4 characters, 2 are mine, 2 are my sisters. Mine are the WTM and the MNK, while hers is the WAR, and the BLM. We level these guys relatively seperately, sometimes switching on and off, but generally try to keep it as hers and mine. I want a white mage, that will possibly go to WTM/BRD, and my War will go PLD/WAR unless I want to go SAM or DK. Anyway we shave seperate wants and we dont get alot of time to play. So I cannot invest all day or all night to play a game, level them up, subjob, relevel them up again, adv job, RElevel them up again.... its truly just bad character management, in my eyes. Sure those people who have just one character and want to try every job out on that one Content ID can, but I dont have that kind of time to waste. Thanks again for all your imput! ^^

[KuroiOokami]

Hiya Tsu ^^

If you really dont want to lvl a sub, Ill help you then.. ok? At least to 10 ^^

That way, you'll at least get party invites later on. Many people wont invite you later on (after20 or so) if you dont have a subjob :( So, Ill help you level a subjob, ok? ^.^