Summoner class?! .... –³—?....

[Awntawn]

So basically... The people with the most spare time to play the game and meet the prerequisites to gain summoner without a wink can now completely stand as gods among newbies and some more busy people who will undoubtedly never be able to live the experience...?

So what do you think... Required level 60? Required level 70 after new caps? And any melee classes prepare to train ur mage all the way up cuz warrior summoners don't make much sense...

I'm actually NOT looking forward to summons... How will the people who first land in valkurm feel when the person they're partying with calls a 15 feet tall fire demon out of the blue? ...

... Did I post this in the wrong place? Sorry bad habbit, go ahead and move it... So pissed at the fact I didn't notice... :mad: Pissed at the fact that there's something this 133t now that I'll never be able to reach :mad:

[Sheila]

http://www.finalfantasyxi.org

too late, I personally also dont think Summoners belong in this game at all, but oh well.. Im sure it will be "balanced" somehow.

[FalnRedemption]

Funny, you say that summoners shouldn't be in this game, but yets, its a Finaly Fantasy game. But i guess thats your op so i shouldn't say your wrong.
And i dont thing that the requirments are to high, seeing how they plan to go all the way to lvl 250 for each class when they get done with all the expantions.

[tongyang]

Originally posted by Awntawn
So basically... The people with the most spare time to play the game and meet the prerequisites to gain summoner without a wink can now completely stand as gods among newbies and some more busy people who will undoubtedly never be able to live the experience...?

You're assuming that Summoners will work like previous FFs. I don't think this would be the case. In my opinion, summons will simply be like the ancient magics. (Huge MP cost, super long cast time, long refresh time).

So what do you think... Required level 60? Required level 70 after new caps? And any melee classes prepare to train ur mage all the way up cuz warrior summoners don't make much sense...

So how is this different from a mage class trying to level up classes like Ninja or Dragoon? I never had a melee job ever (only leveled up white/black/bard), and I'm now trying to level ranger. Trying to level sub jobs (thief/war/drk) for the main ranger job is just as hard as getting a high mage job. (At least mages get in PTs easily)

Besides, if you wanted to be a summoner (or that magic is your thing), you should have leveled up a mage job already?

I'm actually NOT looking forward to summons... How will the people who first land in valkurm feel when the person they're partying with calls a 15 feet tall fire demon out of the blue? ...

I don't think Ifrit will be available as from lv 15-20. (It will probably be at least 35-40 range). But anyway, here's your answer: the summoner will probably be dead from too much hate rate. Want to summon one more time? Sorry, the enemy will attack you so many time your casts will be interrupted.

... Did I post this in the wrong place? Sorry bad habbit, go ahead and move it... So pissed at the fact I didn't notice... :mad: Pissed at the fact that there's something this 133t now that I'll never be able to reach :mad:

Don't worry, this post at the right place :)

[Yuna]

from what i think
summoners will be the hardest class to play... most probably the requirements will be low (LV40 or so) but the quest to activate the job will be hell

also, if you really do need to defeat the beast you want to summon, then most probably you'll need an alliance which will be a pain again...

but that should make this job a real prize and rare in the FFXI world. i can't wait to play it

"Summon Cactuar: 10,000 needles"

and where are the damn samurais???? they should have put them instead of ninjas.

[Talis]

Yeah... right.. Samuris instead of Ninjas?

Ninjas are way better and fit into continuity better.

[Yuna]

then this game is losing it's japanese spirit;

[Cedric-Archaon]

Umm...if I'm not mistaken, the word for samurai is used as the warrior kanji, so what would they name samurai anyway?

[dbeeo]

no, samurai is not same as war.

war is ?íŽm but samurai is •?Žm.
+ samurai will suicide if they lost in battle :sweat:


btw, i have a strong believe that there will be samurai since when i try to equip double sword in my equipment it told me that i need to have a double sword ability :biggrin:

[Cedric-Archaon]

Ah, close. ><

Anyways, the double sword ability is for ninja, dbeeo.

[Tomoh]

I would love it if one of the requirements for the summoner is a very high level RDM! RDM has been a labor of love. Average at everything specializing in nothing. No one but myself to blame for the choice. I know that rest of you would bitch if this became the case. But hey, I can dream...:)

[Staccato]

Everyone seems to be thinking Summoner will own everyone else backwards.. I'm sure Square will Balance it out somehow :\

[Awntawn]

the thing is... it has to own or else it won't be worth it :sweat:

[tongyang]

Originally posted by Awntawn
the thing is... it has to own or else it won't be worth it :sweat:

Maybe it won't own? And maybe it won't be worth it? ;) Why does it have to own anyway? ;)

[Awntawn]

Originally posted by tongyang


Maybe it won't own? And maybe it won't be worth it? ;) Why does it have to own anyway? ;)

If that's the case then you won't be hearing any more dissatisfaction from me :thumbsup:

[bladeblaze]

Well, so that everyone gets the best of both ends they should have summoner requirements to be lvl 50 white/black/red mage and then go through a gruesome quest in order for your character to be able to select summoner and have that job pwn :P

Hopefully they won't do that or else lots of people won't be happy :P Like the red mage job.. summoner job might also be another labour of love ^^ It doesn't have to completely own.. just fun right? errr... :P

[Staccato]

it can not own and be worth it perfectly well; did square say officially that it was a lv60job?

[Oro]

I hardly think Square are going to flop the summoner job, I have my own speculations on how it will work, and im sure it will be fine.

I also agree in the sense its going to have very long charge times with a massive hate rate, has anyone consider BST style skills to be a importance? or is that way off? What of the 2hr? maybe something like summon immediately? Time will surely tell, no doubt it will be rewarding.

Tomoh - Heh I actually hoped there would be a high RDM requirment, lets see how many people use them after that :spin:

And I also agree in wondering where a Samurai might be, I want that job in there, would suite an Elvaan more than a Ninja would

[Sheila]

Originally posted by bladeblaze
Well, so that everyone gets the best of both ends they should have summoner requirements to be lvl 50 white/black/red mage and then go through a gruesome quest in order for your character to be able to select summoner and have that job pwn :P


More like no, most people have lives. The quest alone is enough IMHO.

[Skye]

Originally posted by FalnRedemption
Funny, you say that summoners shouldn't be in this game, but yets, its a Finaly Fantasy game. But i guess thats your op so i shouldn't say your wrong.
And i dont thing that the requirments are to high, seeing how they plan to go all the way to lvl 250 for each class when they get done with all the expantions.


THis is just my opinion, THere are always ppl that thinks this game will go up to 200 and stuff. But i dont think this game will even crack LV 100, even if it will, i dont think it ll go to 200....

As Before , long ago, Square had planned on release a new MMORPG on 2005 (well it was news before the Square combining with Enix thing, so as of now i do not know).. If FF XI goes up to LV 250.. and that 2 months and more it breaks 5 LV, it will still be going and going even till 2008.

again, thats just how i see it. who knows, maybe it will go to 2008 lol

[Ryouga]

Originally posted by Awntawn
the thing is... it has to own or else it won't be worth it :sweat:

Trust square, theyre professionals...they'll make sure to do a good job before releasing it :)

[Awntawn]

Hmm... If the ninja is as badass a warrior as the summoner seems a mage, then I may well try THAT out :thumbsup:

... Unless of course the requirements are insane :mad: I hope it either has a taunting ability or is not expected to take damage cuz I wanna sub DRK if I be one :P

[ninjaturtle]

The summoner will prolly be a powerful class but they definately wont be too powerful. I think that its just gonna be a pet class and they probably wont have any kind of attack or defence skill, they will probably have to rely on having a summon to protect them at all times. And during a fight, if the pet gets too much hate and is killed, i think that the hate would be connected to the summoner causing the monster to attack it and it would die real fast. Thats what i think will happen. No spells for the job and extremely low stats all around. And one more thing the job will probably have a few generic summons, which wont be all that great, and then have a large variety of hard to get special summons like iffrit and carbuncle.

[dbeeo]

how bout each summon cost 100+ mp???

[bladeblaze]

Hmmm.. i think i posted this a while ago but if you try and search players up by their lvl it only goes to 99 max.. and seeing how its much harder to reach another level ever since 50.. im quite sure 99 is enough hehe ^^

Most people have lives.. true ^^ But we're talking about FFXI here hehe ^^;

[Xuande]

Here's my take on how the summoner will be (This isn't fact of course, just how I think it'll be implemented)

First of all, the summoner is absolutely useless except for its summons and its subjob. It's not a perfectly good mage to boot, as in previous FFs, infact it can't cast magic at all (except for subjob). It also does mage-like physical damage. Now, the subjob, assuming it chooses WHM which is the obvious choice, puts it at about the level of a same level red mage, minus the fact that it's missing black magic and physical attack. Now, also throw in the fact that summons will probably have significantly high level requirements. They're not going to give a summoner ifrit at level one, just like a white mage doesn't get raise2 at level one. I wouldn't put it beyond them to make the first summon available at level 40, and even then, a weak one (that has to be quest activated). So,...

A) Before the summoner gets a summon, it's a totally undesirable job to party with. Who would pick a summoner in their party when productive party members exist? I think it's going to be incredibly hard for low level summoners to find parties (assuming the above ^^;).

B) Even when the summoner gets impressive summons, I don't see them being significantly more powerful than simply another group member would have been. If the summoner is basically useless except for the summon, the summon takes their place in the party. So you still have a 6 person party.

The only real advantage I see is that summons can be sacrificed as meat shields and no one dies. The advantage over the beast master is that summons can be cast and don't need to be trained. So I think this would be fairly balanced.

Things don't have to own to be worth it. The novelty of summoning is good enough for anyone to want to play this class.

[ninjaturtle]

The summoner would have to get its first pet before lvl 10 otherwise it would have to have some other kind of power (which i doubt it will have) to hold it over until its first summon. Maybe each city has a 5-10 level quest that may take one or two hours of running around the kingdom gathering items or something like that.

[Takato]

I would like to be a summoner when it comes out just because I enjoyed them in the other FF's. I got my WHM up to 57 almost 58 so hope that is like the only requirement. It is probably possible that you might have to have a high lv beastmaster since your summon is a tamed beast. I hope info on the quest is released in a month or so because once Im at lv 60 with whm I be lving bst just incase its a requirement. :p Beast is still kinda fun though just no pt invites and such.

[Seph]

Im wondering if you need both the WHM to be lvl 40 and the BLM to be lvl 40 in order to open the summoner quest. Wanting to know so we can get started on the requirments. I remeber Farplaner posted something on the summoner quest saying that there is black and white orb. That you need Whm 40 or Blm 40. Seeing if the OR is definite TT i hope so lol. Thx

[tongyang]

That is just a rumor anyway. No guarantee if that is just someone who has a lot of time on his/her hands ;)

[Tomoh]

I would love to see a LV40 RDM as a requirement:) May be even LV 50.

[Guerilla_Radio]

It's best to just reserve judgement on the summoner class before more info comes-out. For all we know, they might start out with a summon like Carbuncle (or an unconfirmed Chocobo, Fat Chocobo, or Moogle), in the same way that BM's start with stone.

Not to nit-pick, but yes Awntawn, this appears to be posted in the wrong place.:sweat:

[Takato]

Yeah to many rumors, lol the newest one I heard was that there is no requirment for summoner and all u do is the quest. Sigh hope info on this becomes clear soon I want to be ready for it.