FF jp ver to US version

[Devjam]

Hello all ^^

i Have little questions....


1. if us version pc com out, its posibel to get from jp version to us version with your JP caracter? I dont wanna beginn from lv 1 T-T

2. I need real information that is 100%true


i thanks for any iformation ^^

arigatone... and maten^^

Devjam aka Devrim

[Jei]

1. as said in some interveiws, you can log in the same account using either jp client or us client. doesn't matter. you get in to same character on the same old server.
if that what you mean... Still we have to wait for world shifters if anyone wants to move servers.

2. beats me :P

[Asurasan]

I can't give you anything "without a shadow of a doubt", but I can give you what I "expect" will happen:

If Jei is right about the interviews, that in my opinion is about as close as a US player will get to being on a Japanese server (By logging onto a Japanese account).

But I doubt even this will be possible, correct me if I am wrong about this, but all input from clients goes to the server, then the other clients, including your own client.

So when you type, "Hello." and the info would go the the server first, then be sent to the clients as, <Your Name> says, "Hello".

But in the Japanese client, once again correct me if I am wrong, /say Hello would most likely give you an error message along the lines of, "/say is an invalid command." And that is really only the base of it. For instance, /ma "Cure" <t> (A simple macro to cast a cure spell on your target.) Because in the japanese version there is Kanji for all the spells, weapon skills, and job abilities. And well, that would be impossible to type into the US client. The Japanese client also prints things in Japanese... and the US prints things in English. So damage output, emotes, NPC's Speach, ect. would all be messed up.
^ ^ ^ ^
Could be wrong about every bit of that, but even if I am, I would still think this would hold true.

The US is going to be on its own, completly different servers, most likely in the United States. I doubt Sony/Square Enix would want to allow for any Japanese person who feels like he is getting the shaft on his (Insert reason someone would want to be on a brand new server) On our server, because who knows; several entire Link Shells might suddenly want to get the jump on a chance at a brand new server, to claim high level hunting grounds, camps, and such all for themselves... I think the US servers, will be strictly for people who own the US client; now if the aformentioned Japanese players/Link Shell want to import our client and play on our servers, more power to them. (After all, we did it to some of their servers)

Now, to sum up this entirely too long post for such a simple question (Sorry, some of this stuff has been nagging me for a while), In my opinion:

A. I dont think the US clients will be able to log onto a Japanese server/Japanese accounts.

B. I dont think people will be able to use WP's or be randomly placed on a server that is not of their client, (I.e. New Japanese players wont all be thrown on our servers because they will be lower in population, and vise versa incase of any new Japanese servers.)

C. I could be completly wrong about all of this entire topic, but this is just has typically been the case with most MMO's I have played (And I have played way too many *Cry*)

Please forgive any horrendous typo's and gramatical errors I made in this post, and once again, sorry for being long winded. :)

Ja na!

[Ryouga]

well i do't have a long responce like Asurasan >>; but i think that the different clients are given different ip's to ping to, to join the server...i doubt they would allow foriegn servers just for the select few that imported....Looks like you'll have to choose one or the other ^^;

[davidmmmm9]

I'm tired so I'll make it short.
The japanese version uses english to type as well, /say is /say. Commands and macros (except for the actualy name of spell, ja, or whatever) is in english. So the macro /ja provoke <t>; is /ja?@’§”_ <t>
Emotes, npc speech, battle messages, all that type of thing not typed by another player is installed on your hard drive, so it will be in your language even if the person who did /wave is in another.
So I really believe that I will be able to use my character on the japanese server with a US FFXI. I'm not sure if I'll still be able to type japanese, which would create a major problem, but I remember the US ceo saying something about wanting to bring the different countries together, being able to play with each other. And the possibility of the game doing some simple translations if you wanted it to. Like typing "yes" then hitting tab might make it come out as ‚Í‚¢?@(hai).
Just a possibility for the translation thing, would be mighty useful though.

And no one here can absolutely garuntee any of this unless they happen to work for squenix, so just wait a month and a half and hope for the best.

[John Doe III]

Originally posted by Asurasan
A. I dont think the US clients will be able to log onto a Japanese server/Japanese accounts.Ja na!

^Ja Ne(there is a difference..) lol The US clients will be able to log onto any server...as well as the JP clients logging onto a new US server. SE wanted everyone to play with eachother ..so there really isn't any reason why this shouldn't work out.

[Jei]

I was able to log in my japanese account with the Beta. The POL works perfectly, I get to send messeges to all my japanese friends in my friend list.
but when I try to get in FFXI it says the client won't allow me to go to the server I'm in.

So I'm truely 100% sure you can log in to anyworld with the retail one

[Asurasan]

Well, everyone seems to know better than I. I could understand why the beta will not let you log onto another server... So that really wondent be a definitive answer, I am sure they have the beta client working on strict paramaters to connect only to Cactaur or it might flat out, just not work, after all, arent the POL clients and the FFXI clients two different things?

So it could be completly possible to connect, though I still have my doubts that it will, to any server(US or JPN) with both clients.

If someone could find the links or something to this interview it would be nice :) . I understand if it was an older intervew and hard to find.

Sorry about the Ja na/Ja ne mix up, I honestly have only heard them used by other people. It always seems that they say Ja na, when saying Seeya to more than one person, and Ja ne, when its just one other person they are with. (Loves learning Japanese, please correct me more!!)

Thanks!

[Asurasan]

Ack, and sorry for the double posting, but I realised I had one more thing to say :(

Jei, you said you managed to get into your POL account with a Japanese account and send messages. Where you able to type Kanji or where you limited to english characters?

Once again sorry for posting 2x

[Macht]

Ok, just got the jist of what's going on in this thread.

For the answers yes, I've read as well many interviews and all that do say you can use the US version to login to your JP version character.

As for commands and such some of the ones I read on here are partly correct. They way it works though is the Client acts as a Translator converting data such as commands to one common command that the server understands. So for example with a command like /say. The client for the US version will understand these commands and convert that command to a code. Just as an example not exact to how they are doing but is following the same idea:

/<English Command> = <Binary Code>
/<Japanese Command> = <Binary Code>

So...
/<English Say Command> = Code (10000000)
/<Japanese Say Command> = Code (10000000)
/<English Attack Command> = Code (01000000)
/<Japanese Attack Command> = Code (01000000)

As you see the /<Command> can be anything as long as the games database has the proper code equivalent to send to the server so it understands the command. In this idea it allows that commands /Say could be /Jerk or /Sunny and they will both act as if they are say if the code equivalent exists and is equal to the Say Command code.

This is entire purpose of the client is just a big translator being <Human Language> to <Computer Language>. This is the point to that if developed enough you could actualy design so players can communicate to eachother in the other language or retranslate the others into their language. Of couse most On-The-Fly translators like that arn't developed enough to work effectivly all the time.

Anyway on the programming end there is no real reason that you can't do what your asking if the program has been developed enough to do it. So it really relies on the creators decision and as I understand from the interviews I read they were planning to have the US and JP players together so the only thing that the server would really see as a difference is the place the IP is comming from and the players account info.

Other then that when you log into the server or do anything using the US or JP version the server should recieve the same commands from either one. It's ONLY to the user that anything looks different.

[Jei]

the Beta didn't allow japanese input, sadly. It might be added in the retail, or it might not - -; I'm still waiting to see.

[SuperNick]

I'm curious to see how the servers will be, and what country they'll be in. Everyone seems to think they're going to be in Japan but i've read no solid evidence to say this.

I mean honestly, it's cool allowing us to play with JP players, but I know it's rather annoying (to both countries) to not be able to speak to one another.. Other than the small amount of US players that will be wanting to play with their friends, who is really going to want to play outside of their main language servers? Same goes for JP players..

If you speak both languages that's awesome, best of both worlds. :)

PS: hey, anyone know where Cactuar is located?

[Nagisa_Amano]

So far the way this could go: The NA client will be code in a way that when you create a new char, the server that will be selected will be English speaking servers ( the NA ones ) To be able to join a Japanese speaking server will be with worldpass at creation or with worldshifters only. The same could be the case for the japanese for them to access our servers would be with worldpass or worldshifters. That would avoid the problem of people ending on a server they cant communicate with other players.

So depending on the client you buy if it's NA or Japan you get on specific language speaking servers of that client and to gain access to one that not default to the client you need a worldpass or a worldshifter.

In my head that the best logical solution. Like some of you mention I dont have time to waste to learn to read japanese so I can enjoy the game

[Hachima]

A perfect example on why FFXI will work no mater what client you use is Tetra Master. Currently if you use a JP account with the US beta you maintain your collection from the JP game but you only get to join games with other US players.

The server that holds all the cards is universal. The chat rooms you are able to see are regulated by client only.

[MessiahX]

I have a question, when you WS will you be sent to another JP server? or to the new EN servers?

is there even going to be new servers for the NA release?

[Etra]

Originally posted by SuperNick
I'm curious to see how the servers will be, and what country they'll be in. Everyone seems to think they're going to be in Japan but i've read no solid evidence to say this.

Theres solid evidence. ^^;
The CLOSED Beta of FFXI was for testing connectivity to see if the lag between servers from Japan were ok with people playing in the U.S. (Theres a former Closed Beta tester in my LS, thats how I know XP)

And didn't SE already confirm at the Tokyo Game Show JP and EN would play together? o_o;

[Otaku~gamer]

Originally posted by Etra
And didn't SE already confirm at the Tokyo Game Show JP and EN would play together? o_o;

I heard this also and Im quite sure they did. Not sure why importers are worried about shifting to EN servers or new EN players being worried about starting in a server that has JP players.

If SE does what their goal is, everyone is going to be on the same servers no matter what. I like the idea of bringing the two cultures together even though ive seen the goods and bads of both.

This translation system has me thinking.

[Chuycobo]

There's a lot of flaws in this idea of a translating between Japanese and English. The biggest flaw is that any translation program has to understand what is being typed and I know very, very few people who type even half decently in the game. Always the excuse that "It's faster" but surely Square-Enix knows this and also knows that even if they try accomodating to bad spelling most people have their own version of it.

How can it work, then? How can American players who can barely speak English properly, let alone type it, be able to be randomly placed on Japanese servers? They won't. We Americans are known for our refusal to accept anything foreign (can't tell you how many times I'ver heard "This is AMERICA, speak our language. If you don't like it, GET OUT!") and being randomely placed on a server with primarily Japanese speakers will mean a guaranteed lost customer. It can only work if all American clients will automatically placed on American servers and the only way to go to a Japanese server is through a worldpass meaning you already know what you're doing. This will eliminate any potential alienation people might feel on either end because I don't know how new Japanese players will feel thrust into an English server either.

I predict very little intercontinental gaming for that reason. I'm sticking to an American server because I know very little Japanese and I would not be able to communicate with Japanese players even with a translation program because I too misspell things in random ways that can never be translated properly. If I ever do learn Japanse and am still playing FFXI I just might go to a Japanese server but not until then.

[Devjam]

so the best way is buy us version wait maybe 1-2 weeks and chekk what can i do....


i not want start with lv1 at us version that sucks a little

i invest many times in my jp cara ... if cant i jump from 10meter in a hole:biggrin:

but i think comes time comes a finaly way to make this^^


thanks for you all replys and sorry my english little poor ;;;


matane^^

[TheImpKing]

All right, hears some answers

In the new issue of EGM (November 2003), there is a feature section on FFXI. In this section, there is a short blurb on exactly what you guys are talking about. Ahem...

"These dedicated Japanese gamers will be in for an eye-opening experience when American players arrive, since gamers from both ends of the globe will be playing on the same servers. The two sides will be able to communicate using a set of predetermined, autotranslated dialogue choices, not unlike the system in Phantasy Star Online."

I've never played Phantasy Star Online, so I don't know how well this will work. Original dialogue with Japanese players seems out of the question.

Hope I've cleared things up!:thumbsup:

[Cron]

The two sides will be able to communicate using a set of predetermined, autotranslated dialogue choices, not unlike the system in Phantasy Star Online."
This was called WordSelect and it is already in the game ( in JP that is ).This means u can use basic sentance's wich are already writin and the system will Translate it by itself.It has worked great in PSO and i think the same will happen for FF11.However in PSO the 2 Sides never really had to deal with oneanother ( they staid on US server's or likewise ) so i think this might became somewhat of a Task for bolth.The only thing that i worry about is the fact of having people in this game for almost 2 year's now and other's need to start from Lv1.It will make alot of thing's very hard for some new player's and the frustration is Big if u only meet people with Lv70 Job's.Also the Gil situation on some server's is mildly said Insaine so i think costumer loss will be larger then people think.But to all HardCore Gamer's i can only say 1 thing

ENJOY A GREAT GAME:cool: