Need to get the Japanese CDs

[SuperNick]

I have an account I got from a friend, but I don't have my CDs yet.. I ordered from Himeya and it's going to take like 2 weeks apparently!

Would anyone on a fast connection or maybe has a server with the FFXI Japanese CDs on I could download from? Saves me waiting weeks to play a game i'm desperate to see...

Kind regards

[Typ0 Ex0r]

That's Piracy....so no. And that's 6GB of memory, no one has links to that. Now, if you DID order it, it'll take 7-10 days. Next time track it.....

[SuperNick]

I fail to see how it's piracy by trying to obtain software I am legally authorized to use, considering I have a valid cd key and account to use. If you'd look up piracy, you'd know this.

I also don't see the trouble in finding it on some FTP somewhere if someone has a really fast upload speed; hell some people could upload it in an hour.

Next time you post to me, please don't assume you know everything and what you think is the truth.

[GeekRock4Life]

ffxi is 6gigs?

[Bishop]

It's 4 cds. BBut thats still big enough. Supernick, you fail to understand that no all of us have a 10mbit connection so we don't have "really fast upload speeds." Yea some piraters do have those types of connections, but most of us have 56k, cable, dsl, at most t1.

It is considered pirarting btw. You are only allowed to have backup copies of a game you already have. And as I see it, you don't have the game in your hands yet. All you have is an account that a friend gave you.

[SuperNick]

No. Get your facts straight before you presume i'm only interested in a bad nature. Frankly, I find your ignorance insulting.

Piracy is the unauthorized usage or distribution of software that is copyrighted and/or patented.
Distribution on a piece of softare is the activity of selling goods, and i'd in no way be misusing the software given as i'm granted access to the EULA by having ownership of an account.

I was only asking for a bit of help with someone with a fast connection (yes more people than you think have them, America is not the only country in the world) and had no intentions what so ever to try and get around buying the software.

Unkind regards

[Typ0 Ex0r]

Originally posted by SuperNick
Piracy is the unauthorized usage or distribution of software that is copyrighted and/or patented.
Unkind regards




That's exactly what your doing. You have a account, but want to download the CD's? How will you get the CD key, hmm? You already stated that you do not have the game yet, but you say that your not trying to get around buying it. You said that you had already bought it, so that sentence was irrelevant. Your trying to pirate FFXI, so please stop bullshitting us, thank you. Could a mod close this? Thank you. (Also, you should probley make a sticky about how pirating is bad, and what the results are)

Edit: Also, PlayOnline accounts are free.....so your line about having one is also irrelevant.

[SuperNick]

That was the worst post i've ever read, I feel watching the grass grow would've made me more intelligent.

A few things you should've considered before flailing your ignorance:

1) I had already stated i've ordered from Himeya, but alas it's going to take a long while to arrive at my house.

2) To be a software pirate, you have to have or do one of the features that constitutes the aspect.
Based on your logic, someone is a murderer because he owns a gun.

3) If I wanted to be a real software pirate, do you actually think I would come to some forum and ask random people if they'd help me with my piracy? No, I figured hey what the heck it's going to take ages for my copy to arrive, I may as well see if there are any nice folk out there that could lend a hand and let me play this amazing looking game.

I also figured i'd break down a part of your post considering how terribly idiotic it really is, I honestly can't make much sense of it.


Piracy is the unauthorized usage or distribution of software that is copyrighted and/or patented.
Unkind regards



Originally posted by Tano
That's exactly what your doing. You have a account, but want to download the CD's?

I fail to see how I am illegally using or distributing software in any way shape or form. Based on what i've read from the EULA, an account gives you full access to usage of the software therein. You already knew that, since you shot your mouth off so quickly

The rest of your post I don't really have to comment on because it really has no bearing and is only the fault of your own for not bothering to read.

It's clear what kind of users browse this forum now.
I tried to ask for a bit of help, and a few jerks with little clue on life thought they seen a prime chance to make a flame.

[SuperNick]

Originally written by Tano
Edit: Also, PlayOnline accounts are free.....so your line about having one is also irrelevant.



PlayOnline registration - Register a new PlayOnline account using an unused POL CD-key.


Thus having access into the EULA or having the software.

Thanks for your observation though, but hey no flame there either.

[Typ0 Ex0r]

If you had purchased the game, it would come in a week, as it says on the receipt when you actually order from Himeya. Now, your insults aren't helping your situation any, and from what your describing, you are the idiot for not knowing it's piracy.

Reguardless if you have an account or not, you are getting the software ilegally, which is piracy. And I believe you decided to insult the people that had replied, because we are not idiots. It's a week, so sit back and wait, cause your not getting a 6GB download off a FTP.

[Typ0 Ex0r]

Originally posted by SuperNick
Thus having access into the EULA or having the software.

Which you don't have, seeing as the beginning post was about how you couldn't play, you don't possess the software.

[SuperNick]

So now you've resorted to trying to take my posts out of context to try and flame them. Maybe that works elsewhere, but you just make yourself look worse.

You've really stated no ways in how I am breaking any laws at all, you just seem to try and flame for the hell of it where ever you think you can. All you say is "YOU'RE BREAKING THE LAW MAN!!!". You seem to think there is only one way to do things and the ways they haven't heard of or don't understand are illegal.

I mean you even tried it again:

Thus having access into the EULA or having the software.



Which you don't have, seeing as the beginning post was about how you couldn't play, you don't possess the software.


You tried to say FFXI accounts are free, when they aren't. You need to possess the software OR (or being the key word you missed earlier) have an account to register, and having one places you into the EULA.

I really can't understand how you can call anyone an idiot, all your posts don't even make sense. You just take key sentences out of context, try to flame them and end up contradicting yourself to all hell by showing yourself up as someone who can't even read.
You just say I am trying to get software illegally without stating why or how it's illegal. I've stated why it's not illegal, and given my father's studies in law (and yep i've asked him about this already, given as I don't want to break the law) i'm perfectly in my rights.
You seem to have this idea that if something isn't from the original source, it's illegal.

Take my advice man, don't try to flame anymore. Maybe you can flame poor defenseless people who simply wanted to post a welcome message or ask for some help, but this one you're just making yourself look even worse.

You have no grounds to insult me on, no grounds to disagree, and no grounds to prove anything.

[Bishop]

First of all, he said POL acounts are free, not FFXI accounts. He also wasn't flaming anything up. There was no obscene or foul language used or any personal attacks directed towards you. On the other hand, you have called both of us ignorant and have insulted us. If anyone was trying to flame this up, it would be you.

If you own the game, you can make 100 backup copies of the game if you wanted to. You don't own the game yet.

Piracy is the unauthorized usage or distribution of software that is copyrighted and/or patented.

Whoever lets you download the game will already break the law because he is distributing the game to you, an unauthorized person. So maybe you might not be breaking the law IF what you said was true about pirating, but whoever sends you the files still is breaking the law. You don't even own the game yet. Not only that, it would be unauthorized usage since the account wasn't yours to begin with. All you have is a friends account that doesn't even belong to you and could be stolen for all I care.

I would also like to comment on the fact that you think everyone is "ignorant" and thats not just reffering to this post.

[SuperNick]

I don't know how it works in your world, but you can't accuse someone of a negative nature and not expect them to get angry about it. You can't say he's being friendly and not really flaming me, or are you just trying to do that so you can look cool that you're ever so civil?

Secondly, the account is mine now, I take ownership, it belongs to me. Enough said there, don't presume what you don't know.

Thirdly, distribution of software is construed as the sale of the software. I see no sale going on here.
As the law states, "the commercial activity of transporting and selling"

I also wouldn't be considered an unauthorized person, given I am now in the license agreement of FFXI by holding ownership of one of their goods.

Lastly, if people try to flame me on things they have no idea about in the slightest (as you've demonstrated Bishop by thinking you're only allowed to make copies if you own the game) yes I suppose I am going to consider them ignorant.

[Bishop]

Originally posted by SuperNick
I don't know how it works in your world, but you can't accuse someone of a negative nature and not expect them to get angry about it. You can't say he's being friendly and not really flaming me, or are you just trying to do that so you can look cool that you're ever so civil?

Secondly, the account is mine now, I take ownership, it belongs to me. Enough said there, don't presume what you don't know.

Thirdly, distribution of software is construed as the sale of the software. I see no sale going on here.
As the law states, "the commercial activity of transporting and selling"

I also wouldn't be considered an unauthorized person, given I am now in the license agreement of FFXI by holding ownership of one of their goods.

Lastly, if people try to flame me on things they have no idea about in the slightest (as you've demonstrated Bishop by thinking you're only allowed to make copies if you own the game) yes I suppose I am going to consider them ignorant.

I never presumed. I only said things that you didn't clarify enough. You never said you took full ownership of the account. I only mentioned that the acount could be stolen for all I care, but I never said the account WAS stolen. That was your presumtion there.

According to you, distributing software would mean sales. Thats what you meant. YOu know what, I don't want you to presume anything, so I'll just quote you on that.

Thirdly, distribution of software is construed as the sale of the software. I see no sale going on here.

So you're saying I can download games for free and it's legal? No sales going on there! Thats total bullshit.

[SuperNick]

Why do people conveniently read what they want then twist it to their own post?

As I've said, IN MY VERY FIRST POST:

I have an account I got from a friend


Not shared, not borrowing, GOT FROM A FRIEND.

Also as for my presumption, I never made one. I disregarded your comment on the account being stolen, as it was just stupid.

You did presume something wrong though, it was that I didn't own the account, you said it yourself, so how can you even deny it?

All you have is a friends account that doesn't even belong to you


I also never said you can download games since it's not sales, another twist by you. I can't blame you though, you couldn't comprehend what I was signifying by that comment, so i'll tell you in this situation. It's the authorized usage of installation files, so long as you have an account..

Without an account or CD key, the software won't do you any good, will it? So how could you be a pirate with software but no account. It's not as if you can be an account pirate.

Here's an example of how this is done daily with lots of MMORPGS, take Neocron. You buy a CD key and account on the website, you download the installation from various hosted FTPs by people and companies. Is this illegal then? I guess you'll say no because it's endorsed by the company, not because you're really thinking. Something not endorsed is not something illegal.

You should stop trying to base your posts based on what you want to read and understand; you just make yourself look silly.

PS:

With your attitude around here, you won't get any help. I'm just going to ignore your posts.

[Angler]

"Software Piracy" is making a copy (or copies) of software in which you do not have a license to. In each box of Final Fantasy XI, the EULA covers ONE installation of the software. Each EULA is "unique" to each copy of the game, granting ONE license to use the software (under the terms of the EULA) on ONE computer (not TWO). Asking someone for a copy of their FINAL FANTASY XI CDs is asking someone to perform software piracy, as then the license would then be broken the minute you possess it.

Please note that most software EULAs have a line that says something like "You may not rent, sell, copy or otherwise distribute this software unless all materials contained with this software, including this agreement, are forwarded to the new owner."

It doesn't matter if you have a copy of the game on the way or not. You are asking for someone to make a copy of their software, breaking the license agreement which they agreed to. That is software piracy.

I am closing this topic because what you are asking for is still illegal (no matter how good your intentions) and we cannot tolerate such at FFXIOnline.com.

Angler