BLM/RDM vs RDM/BLK

[nervosa]

right now im a red/back just woundering what it would be like with back/red down the road, say like at lev 30.
what would be the pros and cons of each.
thanks to all that reply

[Jonnyram]

BLM/RDM has mad INT :)
Actually I get to be both. My main is RDM/BLM but when I am levelling my BLM, I always sub RDM because I haven't done anything with my WHM yet. I think I'm going to have to change that though because I get a lot of requests to sub WHM, even with my RDM now.

[Daxwells]

RDM/BLM would be better because there's no point in having a RDM as a sub and you get all nuke spells anyway. BLM/WHM would be better than BLM/RDM

[Jei]

redmage is a redmage. blackmage is a blackmage. no matter what sub job you use their characteristic still stay the same.

redmage is a supprting mage. our main weapon is not black magic. we mainly heal and support. We mainly attack with sword and can throw in black magics once in a while for some little damage boost.

blackmage is an attacking mage. well, not melee attack but magic attack. blackmage's power all rely on their magics. you are there to cast, nuke, shoot. Melee attacking damage for backmage is no help to the group at all.

[Daxwells]

off topic but, your in beta now? will there be a journal?

[Jei]

umm kind of... I really want to know how nice or bad people are in game. And come up with this little journal (I want to call it an observation tho :) )

http://ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15832

[Daxwells]

pretty good,alot of newbies.I thought you weren't supposed to post beta pics?

[nervosa]

thanks for all the input, i think my main job will always be red (well for this one) i like black but when im in a party and theres no healer i get to to be, i dont mind it but i keep thinking i sub white.

does there hapen to be a list of magics on this site and when you get them? that might help we deceide when ill see something from my sub

24red/10black everything my black can do my red can already do

[Daxwells]

here's a good list of all magics at this site. It's http://www.shadow-dragons.com/magic.htm

[Beany]

Main page of this site, right side, under "Magic/Song" ;)

[Daxwells]

but this ones less confusing.:biggrin:

[Dragongt]

I am thinking of going BLM/RDM and I heard so many bad things about this combo. Why is that?

This is what I am thinking:

I am going to use BLM as my main because I want to nuke my spell to the max. A RDM job abilities involves the following up to lvl 35 (sub-job):

Petrify Resistance Up (lvl 10)
Faster Magic Casting Time (lvl 15)
Added Bonus Magic Attack (lvl 20)
Added Bonus Magic Defense (lvl 25)
Petrify Resistance Up (lvl 30)

Now we compared this to a WHM as a sub-job:

Added Bonus Magic Defense (lvl 10)
Faster MP Recovery Time (lvl 20)
Automatic Re-generated HP (lvl 25)
Added Bonus Magic Defense (lvl 30)

Would a BLM/RDM be a lot more powerful in terms of dealing damage if it can get all the job abilities of the RDM? I might be missing something here but it seem to me that BLM/RDM would be the ultimate powerhouse in the game. I understand that BLM/WHM would benefit the group more with the extra healing but chances are that there are already about two or three others who can heal just in case the main healer can not heal.

Please comments on what you think about this.

[tazirai]

Absolutely nothing wrong with rdm/blm.
On my server its a common sight, i rarely see whm subbed when RDM is the main job. I do see it now and then , BUt really the majority are rdm/blm.
RDM is not useless as sub, its actually what alot of melees use when soloing and I know many , including myself that have a DRK or DRG subbed with RDM.

Hearing bad things abotu RDM with subs is not as factual as playing as one . You have to remember we will all have different experiences with this class.
two things matter.
If you have the game play it and see what works for you , use these forums as guide not law.
If you dont have the game you need to gain as much info as possible without auto agreeing to what any one person says.

Its up to you as the player to decide effectiveness
I sub RDM with DRG since I absolutely refuse to level up warrior, and have yet to be denied a PT , Granted my DRg is only 21 But ive been PTing since level 13 .
Its all up to you, not us , we are advice only .

[Daxwells]

people like me should just keep our mouth shut....thank you.



(I don't want a flaming to start here.......)

[Jei]

Daxwells >> I don't see you starting any flames o-O what's giong on?

[Daxwells]

out of what I've noticed here,alot of people who don't have the game get angry from comments like that.(nothing wrong with that comment,just some people take it differently)I've noticed threads getting closed that way and it wasn't even the thread starter's fault.

Just tryin to save a thread.:thumbsup:

edit: hey jei,if you ever play beta again,look up kevez,hes in our ls and hes starting a "beta" TWDM linkshell! join if you want.(once he makes it)

[DrMrLordX]

I'm not really sure why blm/rdm is less popular than blm/whm, but I have a few theories.

<for all comparison here of level 70/35 blm/rdm and blm/whm, I've used TaruTaru>
1). BLM/WHM has more MP, though only 18 more
2). Due to the damage cap on damage spells, the extra INT you get from RDM probably won't do you much good. But ya never know.
3). The blm/rdm at level 70/35 only gets 2 more points of INT over blm/whm
4). From what I've seen, BLM need to be reserved with how they cast their spells. Casting too often produces too much hate, and you may wind up with an injured or dead BLM(and nobody wants that). Fast Cast would let you sling nukes more frequently, but . . . is this really desirable?
5). blm/rdm gets 3 fewer points of MND at 70/35 than blm/whm. This combined with the fact that blm/rdm would be missing a whole bunch of useful little spells like Silena makes the blm/rdm a little less useful to the party.
6). few, if any, of the combat skills you would gain from the /rdm sub would help a blm
7). blm/whm gets Raise at 50/25, blm/rdm gets raise . . . never? 76/38? *P

Maybe the extra int, plus fast cast, would help a BLM that debuffs the enemy with spells like poison/bio/blind/etc every fight. I don't know how often BLM are expected to do this.

Side note: I just remembered that blm/rdm would get Gravity at . . . what . . . 42/21 blm/rdm? blm/whm won't get this I don't think. Gravity is fruity cool.

[MassaJJ]

when the cap goes above 70 you will probably have to rethink that list. I plan on being both whm and rdm I'm just gonna wait for rdm second because it'll only be really useful after the cap gets raised.

[Jonnyram]

BLM/WHM is more popular because it has access to the status recovery spells and higher level cure spells. When levelling my BLM support job, I used BLM/RDM for a long time, but when I got to around lv24/25, people stopped inviting me because I didn't have Protectra, Poisona etc.