I've decided... unless

[Sirius Black]

Now, I know this isn't exactly the strongest sub job for a SAM, but tell me what you think. For a long time I was thinking about being a Red Mage (mostly cuz I liked them so much in other FFs) but most people seem to think it's a bad combo for a SAM. I still want that White Magic though, so I think I should be a SAM/PLA no wI know it kinda defeats the conventional uses of a PLA since you lose his super job ability, and I wouldn't have taunt. Between his defense and a Sam's though, I would have a pretty decent character there. Plus the SAM abilities should make up for the PLA crappy strength. Plus I would have that little bit of White Magic that and just enough MP to pull it off in a pinch that I would feel pretty confident. I realize soloing isn't very easy or even probable in this game, but I don't like being 100% reliable on others, because I do like going on my own sometimes. Plus I think I would still be reasonably useful in PT I know I wouldn't be as good as a full PLA/WAR because no taunt or a SAM/WAR, but I think it would still be ok. Feel free to put me in my place :) thanks

[Sirius Black]

No one knows? I was kinda considering SAM/THF but I heard the new patch made thief a crappy sub job. I don't know, what do you think:

SAM/PLA
Level: 70
HP: 1296
MP: 76
STR: 67
DEX: 64
VIT: 69
AGI: 54
INT: 58
MND: 62
CHR: 62

SAM/THF
Level: 70
HP: 1278
MP: 0
STR: 65
DEX: 69
VIT: 65
AGI: 59
INT: 62
MND: 58
CHR: 58

The PLA gives stronger stats (minus DEX & AGI) so it would make a stronger character plus it has white magic. However, I think the THF would give better abilities unless the sneak attack stuff really did get worse in the new patch. What do you think?

[Irinicus]

I apologize for straying off topic, but I have to ask if you are a Harry Potter fan. your user name is the name of his Godfather.

[Sirius Black]

Yes I am a Harry Potter fan...... Remus was already taken.

[Irinicus]

It is sad what happens in Book 5.

[Rurouni_Kenshin]

ok well i dont think a good sub job for samurai would be paladin because samurais dont use magic and if u have magic and use it its gonna be very weak but on the other hand i think samurai/theif sounds good because i think when u get to like level 50 u get triple attack (too lazy too check) that will help u alot with ur renkei and u get the agility and and evasion stats and moves along with theif so i recomend theif too u. But remember samurai were made for there renkei not for anything else.

[Sirius Black]

Well, I've considered so many classes and finally come down to these, and I've now decided on Samurai/Thief for sure. I really considered Warrior and Monk, but I like the Thief abilities more. Than some strength and hp. Plus the EVA and AGI is nice too. Thanks for your help. Also, what is triple attack?'s at 55 btw. Will the lvl cap go to 110?

Yes OotP was sad. However, I really liked it, ESP... spoilers: Fred and Georges Flight.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by Rurouni_Kenshin
ok well i dont think a good sub job for samurai would be paladin because samurais dont use magic and if u have magic and use it its gonna be very weak but on the other hand i think samurai/theif sounds good because i think when u get to like level 50 u get triple attack (too lazy too check) that will help u alot with ur renkei and u get the agility and and evasion stats and moves along with theif so i recomend theif too u. But remember samurai were made for there renkei not for anything else. lmao i swear i was reading one of my posts there for awhile - and no you can't sub thief and have tripple attack - for the record friend PTd with sam/thief last night and apparently it blew.:thumbsup:

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by Nodachi
lmao i swear i was reading one of my posts there for awhile - and no you can't sub thief and have tripple attack -

ahh here's why i thought i was reading my own post - way to use my words and still get it all turned around there matey :sweat:

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=162801#post162801

P.S. Note the lazy bit in my original post - :sweat:

[Sirius Black]

Warrior is SO boring, yes their stats are good but they can't do anything cool...

-Taunt- Awesome! If you feel like being the party member that stands around taking hits.

-Berserk- Boring.... and I'm sure it probably makes almost NO difference.

-Defender- Same as Berserk only... lamer.

-War Cry- Well your already taking the damage you may as well get it over fast and up your homies stats.

-Aggressor- It's not like your trying to evade anyways.

Thief's Triple Attack >>>>>>>> Warrior's Double Attack

[Sirius Black]

The Thief on the other hand:

-Steal- Always a favorite (even for Celebs like Winnona Rider, or really high leveled ones like Martha Stuart)

-Surprise Attack- Fighting dirty is fun too :)

-Flee- The coolest FF ability (Next to Mug) if something is weak and a waste of your time... Leave! If they are going to kill you... Leave!

-Feint Attack- EXTREME DAMAGE while being cheap

-Pick Pocket- Everyone loves GIL!

-Hide- You never know.

Plus the Job qualities are WAY cooler:

Evasion UP!
Evasion UP!
Evasion UP!
Resist Gravity
Treasure Hunter
TRIPLE ATTACK!

Warrior:
virus resist

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by Sirius Black
Warrior is SO boring, yes their stats are good but they can't do anything cool...

-Taunt- Awesome! If you feel like being the party member that stands around taking hits.

-Berserk- Boring.... and I'm sure it probably makes almost NO difference.

-Defender- Same as Berserk only... lamer.

-War Cry- Well your already taking the damage you may as well get it over fast and up your homies stats.

-Aggressor- It's not like your trying to evade anyways.

Thief's Triple Attack >>>>>>>> Warrior's Double Attack lol no offense but i think you're just lying to yourself to make yourself more conffidant in your decision. point and case would be - Tanking is a hell of a lot more fun than just sitting there and hitting imo, unless you're a thief (main and performin gbackstabs and what have you). Beserk? usless? pfff - the only thing bad about beserk is how much it lowers your defense. but beserk should be casted just before every WS you do - you'll find that in later levels especially it boosts WS damage significantly. Defender? same thing? double pfff - when you can't shake the hate you've caused from your renkei damage and are worried your mages MP is gona run short nothing is nicer to have on hand than defender which can buy you a few more turns in some cases. as for the others you won't be subbing them and using them for awhile. and if i'm correct in that thiefs tripple attack is a level 50 passive ability you would have to be a level 100 sam lolol just in order to use it. but i don't see how war is more boring than other melees which have less abilities than it. i'm sorry i'm not meaning to come off as attacking you or your thread for say it's just i feel some things are being said which arn't true.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by Sirius Black
The Thief on the other hand:

-Steal- Always a favorite (even for Celebs like Winnona Rider, or really high leveled ones like Martha Stuart)

-Surprise Attack- Fighting dirty is fun too :)

-Flee- The coolest FF ability (Next to Mug) if something is weak and a waste of your time... Leave! If they are going to kill you... Leave!

-Feint Attack- EXTREME DAMAGE while being cheap

-Pick Pocket- Everyone loves GIL!

-Hide- You never know.

Plus the Job qualities are WAY cooler:

Evasion UP!
Evasion UP!
Evasion UP!
Resist Gravity
Treasure Hunter
TRIPLE ATTACK!

Warrior:
virus resist

sorry i'm getting nit picky but virus resist is about as good as gravity resist lol. and i'd rather always have more str with atk up than i would gamble with sams so so agility on their dodging ability.

[Rurouni_Kenshin]

lol sorry nodachi guess ive been reading too many of ur posts and if u read this clear ur pm so i can mail u

[Sirius Black]

More than anything, I wasn't trying to talk myself out of it, I was trying to provoke someone into telling me good things about the WAR... And it worked. Thank you. I really have come a long way. I wanted to be a Red Mage for a LONG time but after all the "good at everything, master of nothing" sunk it I gave up on that. Im wondering, what makes SAM a better Tanking class than the Paladin? Because I was considering that as well. Also, I was thinking about a Dragoon but everyone says the Wyvern is the only cool thing and that Jumps in XI are a joke. Have you had any experience with them? I'm trying to figure out a job that all partys are impressed by, a job that is a good fighter, that PT's won't just except but want. What do you think?

[FeralisCallidus]

I'm being a Sam/Thief because warriors are overused. =\ Every time you make a thread 'What should my sub class be?' (in reference to being a tanker) it is nearly ALWAYS 'WARRIOR MAN BC IT HAZ TAUNT AND BOOSTS STATS IT PWNS ALL OTHRS HANDS DWN' The hell with that. I'm going my own route. All warriors can kiss my ass.

[Rico]

Yeah I am chossing my own path I'll be Samurai-Monk I thou I thought Warrior is the best (Which it can be) I'll choose the path of Monk ^^

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by FeralisCallidus
I'm being a Sam/Thief because warriors are overused. =\ Every time you make a thread 'What should my sub class be?' (in reference to being a tanker) it is nearly ALWAYS 'WARRIOR MAN BC IT HAZ TAUNT AND BOOSTS STATS IT PWNS ALL OTHRS HANDS DWN' The hell with that. I'm going my own route. All warriors can kiss my ass. hey i don't give two shyts what yeh do - but when you're not getting into PTs dun change your sub to war and claim you always wanted it from the beginning.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by Sirius Black
Also, I was thinking about a Dragoon but everyone says the Wyvern is the only cool thing and that Jumps in XI are a joke. Have you had any experience with them? I'm trying to figure out a job that all partys are impressed by, a job that is a good fighter, that PT's won't just except but want. What do you think?
Jumps are awsome in the sense they deal pretty good damage and build TP quicker than waiting for each attack, however i can't speak for their effectivness when subd =\

as for this - "I'm trying to figure out a job that all partys are impressed by, a job that is a good fighter, that PT's won't just except but want. "

it may be said some of the newer expansion jobs "impress people more" but it's really just a passing thing - they will all be held in the same light as the starting jobs in time. really no particular job impresses people. what people desire and what truely impresses people in this game when it comes to partys would probably be quality of equipment, like "Wow he has the + 1 moded version of that sword." or "wow that food she eats is expensive." and the other big factor is how well you play and maintin your role during a PT. those are the things that make people hold you in higher regard - not so much jobs.

::EDIT:: P.S. I love your sig and avatar Rico - SNK- Forever! lol:thumbsup:

[Sirius Black]

All I can say is that you have been extremely useful thanks for all your help... However now to pester you (or anyone else) more:

1. When I said Dragoon and Paladin, I was considering them as main jobs, not subs. I heard Jump sucked in this game though.

2. I don't understand the difference between Renkei and WS?

3. I assume that arrgoed(sp?) monsters are ones that will attack you unprovoked, and that hate just makes the monster want to attack that person. Is there anything more to this?

4. I don't really understand weapon leveling... at all.

5. By interesting, I more meant what class will make partys say "Hey wanna PT with us?"

6. The main reason I want a thief is that I prefer DEX & AGI to STR & HP is this stupid? Do DEX and AGI make a difference?

7. Does INT determine anything other than BLK magic strength?

8. I like the 2 handed Katana but a lot of people are saying spear is better for higher lvls why is this?

9. What's the lvl cap right now for the JP edition? Because shouldn't I EVENTUALLY get triple attack as a passive abililty (lvl 55 btw)

10. Is the Samurai job hard to obtain? Is it like the DRG where you NEED a party or like the DRK where you can solo?

11. And my last stupid question (for now) I want to be a Hume, but after looking at the stat calculator not sure how much I trust it but Elvaan have more HP and STR, but Hume have more DEX and AGI... again I guess it's How usefull is accuracy and evasion in this game?

Thanks for your time.

[Lone Dragon]

Some of your questions are statements and the others I just don't know the answer to,
so I'll just answer the ones I'm more sure about.

#2: WS' are Weapon Skills, Renkei is when you combine multiple weapon skills.

#3: Besides the different things that can add to hate, not really (that I know of anyway.)

#4: You use something, you gain points. :p
There are caps at each lvl and depending on your job,
one skill type may be higher or lower than others
which will give you a higher or lower cap.
For example, every job can use a 1h Club
(at least one weapon per job it seems :x),
but Paladins have the highest skill grade in it,
so they have the highest skill cap.

#5: Basically, if you fit a role well, you get in.

#6: Its not stupid. :/
Dex/Agi always make a difference,
but they REALLY make a difference when you’re a Thief.

#7: I’ve heard it affects the strength of White Magic power, but I’m not sure.
The whole thing has been bouncin’ around. ._.

#9: The cap was just made lvl 70, there is a quest you have to do to get past lvl 65.

#11: Do whatever you want. Don’t think about stats (unless you’re a galka and want to be a mage. :x)

[Rico]

Originally posted by Nodachi

::EDIT:: P.S. I love your sig and avatar Rico - SNK- Forever! lol:thumbsup:


Thanks man ^^ I got alot of fighting gif types with Kyo and lori on it ^_^ AIM me and ill send them to you anytime ^_^

[Tsikuro]

Originally posted by Sirius Black
Warrior is SO boring, yes their stats are good but they can't do anything cool...

-Taunt- Awesome! If you feel like being the party member that stands around taking hits.

-Berserk- Boring.... and I'm sure it probably makes almost NO difference.

-Defender- Same as Berserk only... lamer.

-War Cry- Well your already taking the damage you may as well get it over fast and up your homies stats.

-Aggressor- It's not like your trying to evade anyways.

Thief's Triple Attack >>>>>>>> Warrior's Double Attack

As a warrior, it's MUCH better to leave taking hits to the monks... and warrior's AGI isn't really low--they dodge pretty damn well if you're elvaan, and AGI is also one of those crucial stats as a WAR because you definetely don't want to be taking all the hits when solo'ing, it helps, for sure. Make sure te monk in your party is taking the hits at all times-they make great tanks at first!!:biggrin: And use berserk, it DOES help, most monsters you fight at one point take your HP down to red, +3-10 damage can make a HUGE difference... er... doing like 15 damage a hit at lv.19 is awesome, so if you get a +5 bonus on that it helps...alot. Anyway i have alot to say but i can't seem to put it into words, so wathever, you get the picture :thumbsup:

[Sirius Black]

Thanks for all your help... All of you. One more question though, well really more of your opinion I guess. For just a Samurai/Thief, which race would be better? Hume... or Elvaan? Oh one last thing (in this post I promise) kinda complex:

You can equip items that will change your stats yes? Such as rings and what not? What are all/how many different things can you equip? Are there items that will lower hate? (since I'm not really a Tanker with THF, and SAM AF adds it... not to mention WS etc...) Or any other ways to lower hate or other items etc... you think would be beneficial to a SAM/THF?

DOMO ARIGATO

[RedTalon]

Hume or Elvaan? Well if you went hume you would do a bit less damage, but end up hitting more oftend. If you did Elvaan you would hit for slighty more but hit less (also have more hp). Overall there is little difference, because as elvaan you will be hitting of for more yes but end up missing one that the hume might have hit there for evening out the total damage.

But I suppose at higher levels the elvaan would begin to pull ahead a tiny bit. So if you are all about stats then go elvaan.

What I recomend though is do which ever race you think looks coolest. I am willing to sacrafice some extra damage if I think I look cool doing it. PLus to me when you dodge an attack (will be doing more of as hume), it just cool sort of like an extra hit in. Although in the long run it probably does not matter.

[John Doe III]

Originally posted by StarvingArtist
Of course it's still up to you on how you want to play and do your job. The SJ is to "support" your main and help improve your performance and role in a PT. If the PT next to you is the same level and are killing the same monsters faster than your PT, you might want to think about why that is.

This is the best thing i've heard in this topic :thumbsup: . Who cares what people are going to be just play how you are suppose to play and everything will be good.

Originally posted by Sirius Black
For just a Samurai/Thief, which race would be better? Hume... or Elvaan? Oh one last thing (in this post I promise) kinda complex

Heh..Just had to say this.. I still wouldn't choose Thief as your sub. I'm at level 27 Thief right now and inless your level 50 you wont get much out of it as a Sub Job. The best thing you can do with a Thief is Sneak and high damage in Renkei's, but i'm not sure you can perform that great with it as your sub. But I wouldn't try it as my sub anyways..to high.

[Beany]

I agree, THF wouldn't be a good overall support job for SAM, especially at the beginning. The THF job doesn't really become useful until LVL15(when they can use Backstab), so you would have to be SAM LVL30 main job to get anything out of your THF support. On top of that, your Backstab ability is severely neutered since THF is support instead of main. With THF support, your Backstab only amounts to a critical hit, which is more or less 2x your regular damage. With THF main, that damage becomes almost 4x-5x your regular damage.

As for best race for SAM/THF, I think Elvaan would make a better class since they are have more HP and generally stronger than Humans in melee class. The HP actually will not matter that much since you probably won't get attacked much because of your lack of a Taunt ability, but better safe than sorry I suppose ;)

Of course, this is all up to you what you want to do ;) Play what you like, experiment, and just have fun :biggrin:

[Urza4n]

Since people mentioned weapons here, I have a little question :

If you start out as Samurai with a Katana , but then decide to switch to a spear, will it be hard ? Do you have to fight for a long time with it to get good WS ?