How often does Double Attack Work?

[Lone Dragon]

I doubt its all the time, every time.

50%? 40,30,20?

[Nerv]

I'd say maybe 30-40%

With war/ninja sometimes even 4x hit :biggrin:

[Somajan]

Pretty high. For me it's been pretty consistent at about 70%. A lot of times I'm getting quadruple hits as well.

[Trapezius]

uh huh...right...and i get septillian hits in a row :P just messing

impossible to get 4 hits in a row no matter what in one attack

if you mean double attack twice in a row then ok, I've gotten seven doubles in a row before. your chances at double attacking go up with level i think...not sure, but I get around 80% with two one handers, but 60% with my two hander. It depends on the ranking for the weapon or the skill I think...

I'm thinking a lot lol:sweat:

well, let that sink in and then figure it out

[Somajan]

Yeah I was referring to two double hits in a row, unless I'm a thief with triple hit and counter.

[Izual]

Actually you can get 4 hits in a row with one attack, but only if you're using a h2h weapon. Of course, you have to consider the normal 2 hits of a h2h attack as only one attack, so it's just a technicality anyway :)

[Trapezius]

As I said before, Grapple (h2h to you) will only add one more hit, so the max is three. you can only get 4 if your a thief because of triple attack and counter, that's the ONLY way.

[Izual]

You're right, my mistake. I thought I had seen someone do 4 attacks in a row with a graple weapon, but it was actually double attack and counter together:)

[Lone Dragon]

Simple. War/Nin, Nin/War, and Thief/Nin should be able to and can (from what I've heard) get extra attacks per weapon from their respective attack skills.

So it is possible for a Thief/Nin with the Triple Attack and Dual Wield abilities to hit 3 times for each weapon for a total of 6 hits in a single 'turn'.

Grapple is a SINGLE WEAPON, which is why you will only get one extra attack from DA (or two in the case of a Thief with TA.)

[Frozen Flame]

Originally posted by Trapezius
As I said before, Grapple (h2h to you) will only add one more hit, so the max is three. you can only get 4 if your a thief because of triple attack and counter, that's the ONLY way.

{Lies}

I saw a warrior in AF, with nin sub dual axes, attack 4 times in a row, dual wield two hits, double attack will make both axes attack twice. 4 in a row :D

[Nameless]

WTF

You just revived a year old topic.

...Why?

[ddg]

To clear things up:

When a warrior/ninja is dual wielding axes or swords, each has a chance to double strike. This can lead up to four consecutive hits as I've had several times, and witnessed several more.

Double strike seems to kick in more for single handed weapons then for two-handed. That may just be the delay making it seem less.

[Frozen Flame]

Also if you dual wield A Joyeous and a Ridll, they occasionally attack twice without double attack and dual wield, combine them with war double attack, dual wield, and the dual wield enhance earring and belt, and with haste. @_@ I think it would be able to do up to 6

[imac2much]

According to testing from a JP site dedicated to this kind of stuff (http://pamama.hp.infoseek.co.jp/FF11kensyou/kensyou7-7.html), apparently the DA% is between 10.49% and 12.16%. (Thanks to Apple Pie for the link)

This seems about right to me. 70% DA is ridiculous. Joyeuse itself has a DA proc of 50%, so with Joy + /war that would be over 100% (which is obviously not the case).

[Mookie]

apparently the DA% is between 10.49% and 12.16%.

That sounds more like Double Attack % when weilding a 2 handed weapon.
When I go out as WAR/NIN duel weilding Axes my Double Attack fires atleast 25% of the time, and I dont even have the AF boots yet.

And yes a WAR can hit 4 times when duel weilding. I call it a Double-Double Attack :handsdown

so with Joy + /war that would be over 100% (which is obviously not the case)

/WAR definatly do not Double Attack as often as a WAR main. I have seen other jobs going /WAR Double Attacking and it might fire once or twice a fight, where I get one almost every other volley of attacks.

[Armando]

10-12% sounds fairly close to me...it's pretty sporadic, sometimes I'll get off a couple of Double Attacks in a row, sometimes I don't, but I don't think I DA 1 out of every 4 hits. And yes, it is very possible to score 4 hits in a row by doing Double Attack with each hand. I bet it's a rewarding feeling, lol.

[Ozymandis]

Did they research how much WAR AF boots add to Double Attack percentage?

[modnar]

This was a year-old post, so it is most likely incorrect. But I will ask non-the-less.

Question:

Monk/WAR can get 4 hits with both fists landing twice due to Double Attack (True or False)?

[Tokitoki]

True.

And if you think 2x Double Attack is rewarding, watch a THF do 2x Triple attack :p thats 30% TP right there

[Armando]

@Modnar:

False. Claws/Baghnakhs/Cesti/Patas/Katars/Knuckles/etc are a single weapon (they just happen to strike twice,) and as such you can only double attack once with them, with the right arm if I'm not mistaken. It is however possible for a MNK/WAR to do score 4 consecutive hits if both Double Attack and Kicking go off in the same round of attack, and 5 if the MNK is being attacked and Counter happens to go off immediately after his/her own attack.

@Tokitoki:

Yeah, I'd imagine so, but as a 30 WAR I won't be seeing that for a while, unfortunately ^^;

Question: A THF/WAR with both Double Attack and Triple Attack would have higher chances of scoring more than one hit per round of attack, since either Double Attack or Triple Attack could go off, right?

[Lmnop]

seems to be yes. But they can't go off at the same time. I believe triple attack over rides double attack so no quad hit or 6 hits that way. /nin though......

[Armando]

I thought so. Yeah, I know they don't overlap, else THF/WAR would be even better than THF/NIN in terms of damage over time, since they'd have a smaller delay and still have the chance to strike 6 times, as well as being able to have Berserk up. Still, it'd be interesting to parse the damage of THF/WAR vs THF/NIN at high levels. Erm...back on topic. When dual weilding, you're twice as likely to Double Attack in that round of attack since you're holding two weapons, but if you divided the number of swings that double attacked by the total number of swings, it'd probably be 10-12%. I've never dual weilded before though, so I could be mistaken.

[Lmnop]

When dual weilding, you're twice as likely to Double Attack in that round of attack since you're holding two weapons, but if you divided the number of swings that double attacked by the total number of swings, it'd probably be 10-12%. I've never dual weilded before though, so I could be mistaken.

Think about the basic game mechanics in this department without double attack: Greataxe attacks once in the time that axe attacks twice. With that in mind, yes % of double attacks is technically the same between Greataxe and axe but axe is still getting double benefit. The trade off for checking opponent's defense twice is getting double benefit out of all traits and attributes I guess (accuracy+10/axe for instance).
@50, 2 axes should now have a clear advantage in the double attack realm.
.......did any of that make sense?

[Arkadya]

@Armando.

You are wrong. HtH does indeed attack twice, and as such, can have double attack go off on each hit. I am rather fond of my 5 hit rounds (2 hits, 2 double attacks, and a kick)

[Karinya]

Originally posted by Lmnop
Think about the basic game mechanics in this department without double attack: Greataxe attacks once in the time that axe attacks twice. With that in mind, yes % of double attacks is technically the same between Greataxe and axe but axe is still getting double benefit. The trade off for checking opponent's defense twice is getting double benefit out of all traits and attributes I guess (accuracy+10/axe for instance).
@50, 2 axes should now have a clear advantage in the double attack realm.
.......did any of that make sense?
This is true, but incomplete. Great axe also does (about) twice the damage and gets twice the TP per hit, so each double attack GA gets is worth two axe double attacks. Therefore double attack benefits both equally - axe gets more double attacks, but great axe's double attacks do more damage and give more extra TP. It's the same reason criticals (other than Sneak Attack) benefit both equally - axe has more criticals, GA has stronger criticals. (Sneak Attack clearly benefits GA more - but if you're subbing THF you can't wield two axes anyway).

Also, double attack can work during weaponskills, and again gives more damage to GA. It's even possible (although pretty rare) to get double attacks on *both* hits of Sturmwind, which does crazy damage.

The ability to wield two acc+10 axes is an advantage of war/nin, as is the haste from DW2, but against some monsters you'll lose more damage from high monster VIT than you gain from DW2 haste and even the +acc weapons. (DEF works as a percentage so it hurts both equally, but STR-VIT is a straight addition/subtraction per hit so it affects low damage, low delay weapons more) Plus that's two *specific* weapons, only usable in a narrow level range and then they get obsolete.

Also, of course, if you're using GA you can sub something besides nin, which may give you more benefits. So it really depends on what level you are, what you're fighting, and who you have in your party, and possibly even your race.

[Arctyc]

(DEF works as a percentage so it hurts both equally, but STR-VIT is a straight addition/subtraction per hit so it affects low damage, low delay weapons more)

You know how long I've been trying to find a way to explain this property concisely? Thank you! XD

[Patchinko]

According to tests done for the Dengeki Playstation FFXI World Guide Vol. 2 (link (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4840225036/qid=1098931317/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/249-1393734-4147502)), double attack rate was 9.3% (93/1000 hits double attacked) and the AF added 1.6%, making it 10.9% (109/1000).

That gives me a little under 1% chance of double attacking with both hands when I dual weild... and it's happened very infrequently, maybe twice, in the 9 levels since I became able to use Dual Weild, so that's probably about right.^^;