RDM/SMN, SMN/RDM, or RDM/BLM?

[Daxwells]

I was wondering...Which is better:
1.red mage/ Summoner
2.summoner/ red mage
3.red mage/ black mage

Please post your opinion. Thanks ( especially Jei and tazirai )

p.s.: Red mage must be in your choice.:thumbsup:

:) :biggrin: :)

[vissione]

Originally posted by Daxwells
I was wondering...Which is better:
1.red mage/ Summoner
2.summoner/ red mage
3.red mage/ black mage

Please post your opinion. Thanks ( especially Jei and tazirai )

p.s.: Red mage must be in your choice.:thumbsup:

:) :biggrin: :)

I say RDM/BLM is more useful because you get BLM's escape plus the ability to cast it quickly. It'll be great when you're venturing far into a cave or something and can't remember how to get out or are too lazy to walk all the way back, so you just teleport back home.

As a RDM/SMN you get insane MP, but your SMN abilities are useless... so it's like being a super pure RDM unless you spend lots of time leveling your SMN to get their abilities... plus you'll be used to calling them out, casting their abilities, calling them back, and continuing to heal and buff. :p

As a SMN/RDM you'd mega buffer and extra MP to keep your summons out a little longer since whenever you get to use refresh and convert (when the level cap is high enough) you could enjoy the freedom of keeping your SMN out for extended periods, even if it's just for show.

I like RDM/BLM and I plan to be one, but the other combos are nice too... depends on how you want to play, plus you can have all 3 arrangements ready so you can switch your play style whenever you want.

[Daxwells]

Thanks for that, I believe your right about Black mage as a sj.


But I plan having a summoner as sub just for the massive MP.

Thanks for the info vissione. It helps alot :thumbsup:



Oh yeah, any more opinions?

please post:) :biggrin: :)

[Jei]

I posted some of my opinion about sub job for RDM before :) check out this page

http://ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10424&perpage=9&pagenumber=5

for addition, about RDM/SMN
your SMN beasts won't get useful abilities until mid 20. So if you want to /smn i recommend you do it adter your RDM reach 50.
50rdm/25smn you will atleast get the MP refresh ability.
I personally can't switch myself to rdm/smn howevery. /whn and /blm got a lot useful maigcs that can be a super life saviour in the use of RDM.

[Daxwells]

It's good to hear a opinion from "master Jei" the legendary Red mage. I understand that black mage is probably the best sj,

But I want to be a sj Summoner for a coulple of reasons:
1. Final Fantasy isn't Final Fantasy without Summoners
2. I want Ifrit because he help me so much in Final Fantasy X.
3. Last, The massive Mp gain! I heard it triples your MP!( rumor, correct me if I'm wrong.)


Thank you Jei for your opinion:handsdown

please people post more opinions:thumbsup:

p.s: Jei , I decided to be a Red Mage because of your journals:) :handsdown :)

[Daxwells]

Also, something for people to think about:biggrin:

What do you think about soloing with RDM/Theif
or Theif/RDM?


Is that a good Idea for collecting gil, Rare Items,
And/or Treasure Chest.

Please post your opinions, thanks

:) :thumbsup: :)

[Nameless]

THF is the sub-job for soloing for money/items or what not. But if you're like me you're lazy and would rather just get a THF friend to get the keys for you :spin:. But I would level THF pretty high if there is a level cap and you hit it, just so you can get a lot of money and good items.

[tazirai]

Hey
Ill tell you my experience as rdm/smn sj
I have normally a level 34 rdm/17blm
But for kicks one i decided to raise summoner to level ten .
DUDE this is where it gets crazy
my level 10 summoner as sj gave me 6 more points than
my black mage.
SO im assuming that i will get more over time once i level some more ..
Heres my plan use the rdm/blm combo till i get more summons and some AF. I willnot do the whm thing i want killing power.
Now once i get red mage AF i will switch to summoner Blm more mp that way and then raise summoner to 32 .
After that I will do summoner RDM to get the AF for summoner...
I think it ok to be different ,, In the JPN version I pt with the same folks ALOT and they are cool with what i choose so will most people be I think.
If not they are jerks .
As for other classes rdm war i sgood 1-20 and 40+
You dont have to be back up healer and your PT is experienced and know good tactics you will do well.

[Nameless]

Although I hate to do this, I checked the stat calculator to see what stats might be. The reason I hate this is because skills determine a lot of stuff and so does equipment, so I thought I'd put up the stats to compare.

HUME(because that is what I'll be)
I put in level 40 for no reason
RDM/BLM
lvl HP MP STR DEX VIT AGI INT MND CHR
40 604 308 35 37 33 35 42 39 36

RDM/WHM
40 615 298 36 35 34 34 39 42 37

RDM/SUM
40 594 319 35 36 33 34 41 41 38

There is a boost, but it just doesn't seem like it's enough, and I put in Tazirai's levels with BLM and SUM and the BLM sub had more MP, which why I don't believe the stat calculator. Personally from seeing this I'm leveling all three to 32, and will probably just make a THF friend like I said. But from the stat calculator's lie I'm making a guess my MP will be really high with Summoner, and to have MP regen will help much.

[tazirai]

Originally posted by Nameless
Although I hate to do this, I checked the stat calculator to see what stats might be. The reason I hate this is because skills determine a lot of stuff and so does equipment, so I thought I'd put up the stats to compare.

HUME(because that is what I'll be)
I put in level 40 for no reason
RDM/BLM
lvl HP MP STR DEX VIT AGI INT MND CHR
40 604 308 35 37 33 35 42 39 36

RDM/WHM
40 615 298 36 35 34 34 39 42 37

RDM/SUM
40 594 319 35 36 33 34 41 41 38

There is a boost, but it just doesn't seem like it's enough, and I put in Tazirai's levels with BLM and SUM and the BLM sub had more MP, which why I don't believe the stat calculator. Personally from seeing this I'm leveling all three to 32, and will probably just make a THF friend like I said. But from the stat calculator's lie I'm making a guess my MP will be really high with Summoner, and to have MP regen will help much.



Nameless I too think the stat calculator is wrong Ill post my current levels with pics

[tazirai]

heres shot of me with current hp as of last night

Level 33/10
as summoner sj have not took screenies of level 34 yet..

As you can see
it says my hp is 470 and mp is 291

according to Stat-calculator my stats are
Lvl 33/10
hp 237
mp 165

That is just not right
http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=150586

[tazirai]

As level 33/16 rdm/blm

Hp is 476 mp = 278 normally 270 with the boiled egg +* mp and +8 hp.

stat calculator says 244 hp / 150 mphttp://www.ffxionline.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=150590

[Nameless]

Thanks for the info and pics. That's why I hate the stat calculator a lot of people base opinions off of it and it's wrong. I'll definetley level SUM now for massive MP boost.

[Gak912]

Uh.... it helps when you put your race in the calculator, rather than leaving it as "No Race". The calculator shows HP/MP similar to your RDM (when you put in a race :rolleyes: ). You have to take into account any equipment you have that may alter HP or MP, as that would make it different from what the calculator says. Anyway, sub jobs don't really mean much difference in the way of HP or MP, but it is all about the abilities you obtain from them.

RDM/SMN might have some merit at lv50+, as you will have Auto Refresh passive ability, and with Garuda, you could use the ability to cast blink on all party members (blink allows you to evade a few attacks). This might be ok with friends or parties that aren't standard level up PTs. But typically, most people sub WHM or BLM for the status-curing (-na spells) and escape, respectively.

Granted, I'm not an experienced RDM, but I don't think SMN is a terrible subjob once RDM is 50+. Subbing SMN is definitely about the summons' abilities and Auto Refresh, rather than a slight amount of higher MP than BLM sub. A safe bet would be to use BLM though, as escape is helpful when combined with RDM's 2 hour ability, and dezone is useful for solo.

[Daxwells]

I believe tazarai is right about the stat calculator, It's just messed up...
As for the black mage, it seems
most of you people would rather have that as a
sub job.

I think I will go with Red mage/Black mage
until my Red mage reaches 60+.
Then I will switch to my summoner
and get it up to level 40+.
then make the summoner my sj.(60/30) Is this a good idea or should I stick with Black mage



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[Jei]

:o
If you want an accurate status calculator, better try Banana.
http://www.at.wakwak.com/~beatnic/download.htm
It not only tells you status... there's tons of useful information such as timing till ships arrive, moon, season, race suites and stuff. I don't know how they link it to the game really.

[Daxwells]

That calculator is great!:thumbsup:
the only thing is that you need is to
translate with babel.altavista or something.
otherwise, it's better than the one here.

[Azrael deFenris]

Well... I would like to use but have no idea what the hell the site says...

[Maxim]

Wow, that program is great Jei. O.o

Lately I've been really afraid to start PTs myself because I can never think of good renkei combinations, but now with that program I won't have to worry since it'll just list all them after inputting the weapons, and even says what type of renkei it is too. I wish I knew about it sooner. :)