[Kirsteena]

Originally Posted by Aeolus

Can you type what you said out again in non-lazy/normal english speak as I dont think I agree with your argument? Then again Im not even sure if I understand what your saying.

I'll second this. I'm feeling too bitter/snarky at the moment with something else that I don't have the energy to translate.

[Sevv]

OK, it seems that people want me to retype my argument so they can disagree. Originally BBQ had asked if Blood Finger Gauntlets had a noticeable effect over the Crimson Finger gauntlets. Mainly the argument was is 1 point of defense, 2 hp, 2mp, 1 Racc, 1 Ratt, and 1 Dark Magic Skill worth a extra 1.18M gil.

Now I responded with what, an old Ranger in my ls who had used both the NQ Crimson and the HQ Blood Finger Gauntlets had told me. He use to swear that he could really see a noticeable difference in the damage output from the HQ.

I also made a comment about the use of Crimson Cuisses (aka W. Legs). Some how the post was derailed and became a conversation about how priorities/use of the Crimson Cuisses should be used. Now for the rewrite of my argument for you Aeolus.


First let us look at the gear in question: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Crimson_Cuisses

The key reason people want this piece is the Movement Speed +12% . Now all the jobs who can use generally want this piece of gear (free striders). In most endgame shells priorities are set by how the gear would help the LS not someone's epeen. Red Mage, Paladin, Dark Knight, Ranger, Dragoon, Blue Mage, and Corsair can all use. Now if your ls is an End Game LS not just a Sky Ls the difference is bigger in the use.

Paladin should get these first, (within reason) Paladin tend to kite more then any other job listed. Yes I know Ninja's in ls kite mobs as well; hell I better know I'm a 75 Ninja. Paladins will be called upon to kite everything from Kirin to King Behemoth (not to count out the KSNM and Limbus versions of KB). Paladin's with Crimson Cuisses will kite a great deal better and will benefit from the movement speed +12% more then any of the other jobs.

Red Mages tend to in my own personal experience the second priority on the Crimson Cuisses. The reason that I have noticed and agree with is, the fact Red Mages are great kiters as well. Tho they may not kite in most ls regularly, a Red Mage kiter can save your ass. Red Mage with gravity on the target mob (non-resistant) and a pair of Crimson Cuisses, can tend to kite all day until the Ls arrives at the NM/HNM or regroups from a wipe, (yes I know that the Red Mage would have to survive the wipe in the first place).

Rangers and Corsairs tend to get a shared third or a third and fourth priority set up on these. Both of these job function similar in the need for these. Both Ranger and Corsairs being used to claim/pull in Sky/Endgame shells. In a pull the Crimson Cuisses will help ensure a safer pull for the Ranger or Corsair. Again in my own personal experience I have seen ranger be 3rd priority over Corsair. The reason I have seen being that our Rangers do most of the Claim/Pull, while our Corsairs are buffing.

Now there is always exceptions to priorities, like for instance your Paladin has just joined and your Ranger turned Corsair has been helping in the ls for years (it should go without saying, but had to state it). Or the fact your higher tier job causes a good deal of drama.



hopefully this was better for you.


Edit:

Oh and to Kristeena’s argument about the reason, BG/Gove/Siste/Fl all camp Tiamat. You couldn’t interpret my post saying that the Crimson Cuisses would be absolute shit, if the lacked the Movement speed +12%. They would be another Crimson Greaves, which not too many people care about. That’s what I was saying; also another big reason a lot of Ls camp Tiamat is the Herald’s Gaiters pull a good price when sold.

Here is the link to the BG post Kris was talking about: http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/vie...=18524&start=0

[Karinya]

Crimson Cuisses can't be worn by ninjas. How much kiting ninjas do or don't do has no relevance to what you should do with your LS's w.leg drop - you definitely shouldn't give them to a ninja (with no other jobs). (And by the way, I've known LS's that have gone something like 2/30 on w.leg; it seems to be his rarest drop, much rarer than osode.)

Ninjas have several +move speed options; paladins very few (maybe no other ones, I forget). That's why it's so useful for paladins - even though they may not kite often, when they do, it's better than almost any other single piece of gear in the game. Of course ninjas can kite many mobs. But I have found that having only ninja kiters makes the mages, rangers, chi blasting monks, etc. much more vulnerable. What passes for a high enmity setup among ninjas isn't quite in the same league as a kiting PLD's enmity setup (and unlike exp, the ninja can't make up the difference by dealing more damage). The PLDs may die more, but the BLMs die less, which can be a handy tradeoff.

The rest of the stats are really nothing to write home about, for any job. They will never be more than a minor boost over whatever else you would have worn in that slot. (The same is true of HQ vs. NQ abj pieces - if the cost of the cursed-1 is at all relevant to your level of wealth, get the NQ; you can always get another abjuration if you become richer later.)

[Aeolus]

End of the day BBQ's linkshells lotting system allows him to lot on them if they drop. They will have already defeated Kirin and will be able to do so again. No reason why any other jobs really need the Abj. first in this case. If the linkshell did actually prioritize jobs it would be worth arguing about.

[Grizzlebeard]

Originally Posted by Karinya

Ninjas have several +move speed options; paladins very few (maybe no other ones, I forget).

Which movement speed options do ninjas have out of interest other than their AF feet which only work at night compared to the paladin's choices of crimson legs which work all the time and caitiff's socks which are very restricted in their use? Both jobs can use powder boots but for the purpose of the discussion flee isn't really a useful kiting tool. Discounting flee items, both jobs have one movement enhancing item, difference is the ninjas is twice as fast but only works half the time.

Oh, and Sev's post was perfectly clear to me. Not sure what's with the snidy comments.

[Sevv]

Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard

Oh, and Sev's post was perfectly clear to me. Not sure what's with the snidy comments.

meh they wanted a wall of text so, I took more then 1 min. to type it up.