01-08-2003, 03:34 PM | #1 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 69 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 788 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 788 Donate | Opinion on either BM/WM OR BM/RM Well I know I want to be a BM for sure but I can't decide for a Sub class. I want it to be a mage but....I can't decide between WM or RM. Red mage ahs continual casting (Cast without delay) and WM has like heal party and Magic Dmg increases. The WM has better spells then the RM though so spellwise I'll be weaker if I choose the RM. One last factor is onvolved passive abilties. The WM has only one or too I really like yet the RM has magic Dmg increase like twice and Some other stuff as well. The thing I heard though red mages suck so raising it too a high level may be hard >.<. :confused: Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks In Advance.
-BB  | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-08-2003, 03:38 PM | #2 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 102 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 363 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 363 Donate | Ok i dont have the game but i would say BM and WM , Why? because since red mage i think is a combination from both BM and WM it has some spells but not as good and even if you can hit with greater damage it wouldnt really matter if you would have healing and black magic for you to cast to your apponent, i would go with BM and WM of course BM to fight battles with and WM to cure yourself or party members, atleast i think its still a better choice than RM, hope it helps | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-08-2003, 03:58 PM | #3 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 346 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 417 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 417 Donate | Anything (besides maybe BRD) sub RDM is probably a very bad idea. Remember that subjobs are half the main job level (if even that), so you get half the magic you would if your main job was RDM. Plus, RDMs get about half the magic of each kind (black and white). So that's three quarters of all the magic you could learn made inaccessible. Plus, with a BLM main, all the black spells from the RDM sub become redundant. So that would make it 1/8 of all the total magic you'd get from the RDM sub ... ouch :dead: ; you could enable yourself to use much more magic by other, easier methods. 
Ille deus Morpheus non est Morpheus de Matrice, sed Morpheus, deus somni et mutantis! | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-08-2003, 04:05 PM | #4 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 86 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 104 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 104 Donate | i would go for BLM/WHM...but IMO it's expensive to play a class that has spells to cast...
for melee classes, you can purchase armors, weapons..and sell them back to AH after you can use or find better ones
you can't do that with the spells you learned. once you learned the spell paper is gone...and at higher level one spell might even equal to a piece of armor...
i would still choose BLM/WHM other than others although i'm having financial problems right now with my BLM/WHM...   (?L¥ƒÖ¥?M) | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-08-2003, 04:06 PM | #5 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 69 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 788 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 788 Donate |  Thanks everybody. Well I guess if 3 people say so.... ^_^ but anyways The expansion is confirmed so I won't invest much in WM because Summoner will be my main class when it does come out  | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-08-2003, 04:27 PM | #6 (permalink) | | Veteran Member Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,670 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 2,047 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 2,047 Donate | well, ill just add on to what other ppl said. If you sub whm, instead of rdm, you will get better passive skills, and higher MP (whm has more mp than rdm)
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WHM-12, BLM-7, WAR-7, MNK-5, RDM-5, THF-1 | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-08-2003, 05:18 PM | #7 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 352 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 489 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 489 Donate | I'm going to be Black Mage/White Mage. Maybe you can be too, because the only good thing about Red Mage is the delay casting...we really don't need it much because we stand back and press buttons. Hehe! | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-08-2003, 08:10 PM | #8 (permalink) | | J...atatouille Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 8,338 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 5 Thanked 137x in 107 Posts Gil: 31,927 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 31,927 Donate | RDM is the second best sub jobs for BLM and WHM. The best sub for BLM still a WHM and WHM best sub us BLM
Good thing about sub WHM is, as a BLM you naturally have tons of MP to spent (ESP Taru) In an emergancy and in down times you have more then enough MP to heal your mates. white magic also has several spells to protext your such as blink or stoneskin.
RDM ability to cast instantly is a super ability (2 hour re use time) and you won't get that if you sub RDM.
RDM level 15 got a fast cast ability which reduce you casting time. You can use that ability subbing RDM. It's not bad, and kinda fun too if you want to try. There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot,
but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence
transform a yellow spot into the sun.
- Pablo Picasso | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-08-2003, 08:30 PM | #9 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 300 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 415 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 415 Donate | What about a bard sub-job for mage? You wouldn't get any or much mp, but it would add a whole other ability. Most of the songs are stat boosting/buffing/healing so it could act as a second healer. With a black mage main-job, you could sing a song at the beginning of the battttle, and thenfocus entirely on b magic. With a whm main-job, you could be a double healer. Sing a song, and then hal as normal. So any opinions on the idea? Would one main-job alone supply you with enough mp? | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-08-2003, 08:42 PM | #10 (permalink) | | J...atatouille Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 8,338 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 5 Thanked 137x in 107 Posts Gil: 31,927 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 31,927 Donate | BRD is there to be main job really.
With BRD as sub, you ...
- get low CHR. So your music won't last long and won't be effective.
- can't equpt instruments. You sing with your voice. Again the timing will last very very short. And the range becomes shorter.
- can only have 1 music effects instead of 2.
As a caster it is better to sub for more MP. Even better to sit and heal MP instead of wasting time re-singing your song. (I tried sub my 40WHM with a 20 BRD once, and trust me I'll never do it again)
For tank type char i got no idea..... never group with any tankers with sub BRD before, not have even seen any of them once. There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot,
but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence
transform a yellow spot into the sun.
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