[Takelli]

I cant see any of the "sets". When I try to, I get a little box saying "Upgrade to pro today!" with Photot Bucket under it... :/ I see the ones that Phanex posted...

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I don't see stuff for people that shoot things. >.>

[Ziero]

Originally Posted by Phanex

I think your either looking at the wrong armor or just not understanding me. I'm not saying you get one piece of armor like the one with spikes and upgrade it to the mage hat armor, Each set has a lvl 1 and at least a lvl 3 from the pics I saw. Not all are connected either. If you looked at the ones I had in my post and flip threw them one at a time in progression you should see what we're talking about.

Doesn't help the model is looking different ways a few times, but Phase 3 and 4 should be a good sample.


Kinda like the Salvage armor I guess, sorta...

Except I am looking at the right armor and I do understand what you are talking about. I just disagree that these armor sets have any kind of direct progression. Each piece, even of the same set in the same color (i.e. Light melee red set) looks too different from each other to be a progression. One piece gains something while another piece gains something completely different, that doesn't say progression to me.

Taking the Masks in the light melee white set for example, you have one that's basically a Weskit head reskin. Another which is the same thing, only with tassels on the side and the same pattern as the first one. The third looks almost like the first one, in that it's the exact same model, it just has a different pattern on it then the other two. And the third is a reskinned Nin AF mask which has nothing in common with the previous three.

And I doubt SE would add over 100 different armor sets, just to have most of them become outdated pieces of gear because you can progress past them. Taking Salvage gear as the example again, all the dropped parts are reused models, since you progress past them to make something new. Mythic and Relic weapons are treated the same. The base versions are all reused models and the final product is something new.

To me, these pieces are a sign of an attempt to give players "customed" armor. We get something, it may not be an actual piece of armor itself, and can then choose which of the four pieces we want to make it look like. This may be through Augments or crafting or even those odd stoves in the original update teaser.

p.s. Rngs will most likely get the light armor melee set. Spikes are optional.

[Malacite]

Originally Posted by Ziero

Yes, you are. Seeing as none of these pieces have anything even remotely in common with Odin or Alexander. Odin has his gear, two Abjs sets, two specific armor pieces and two unique weapons, these pieces will have nothing to do with him. And Alexander has absolutely no cross symbols on him and is a dark grey/blue, which none of these pieces even come close to mirroring.

If I had to wager what Avatars we would be getting, smart money would be on Atomos and "Light Ixion" would be the wild card. Odin and Alex are finished with, we won't be seeing either of them outside of ToAU any time soon.

Yeah 'cause I must be totally imagining that Holy Cross at the end of the staff. The multiple eye-like things and coloring hint very much @ Angels & UFO's though...

And I still say that Scythe fits right in line with Odin's color scheme. We'll know soon enough though, 12 days to go.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I'm guessing stats for all the new stuff haven't been dug up yet. I tried to read the thread over on BG, but I felt my brain trying to make an exit from my skull after about the 3rd page of skimming.

[Malacite]

Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten

I'm guessing stats for all the new stuff haven't been dug up yet. I tried to read the thread over on BG, but I felt my brain trying to make an exit from my skull after about the 3rd page of skimming.

I liken BG to Fallout 3; skimming the vast nuclear wasteland in search of whatever you can find to survive (or in this case any info)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Its just te lack of avatar and sig size standards on top of a lack of info that really wears on me. Just looking at the forum itself is a violation of my retinas' rights.

[Malacite]

Really? What gets me is the undue elitist venom that gets spewed on every post if it doesn't adhere to their insane doctrines.

God help you if you ask an honest question and they jump on you for it.

[Ziero]

Originally Posted by Malacite

Yeah 'cause I must be totally imagining that Holy Cross at the end of the staff. The multiple eye-like things and coloring hint very much @ Angels & UFO's though...

And I still say that Scythe fits right in line with Odin's color scheme. We'll know soon enough though, 12 days to go.

Except Alexander has absolutely nothing to do with crosses in any way. There is not a single one on him anywhere. And while the Scythe may "fit" with Odin's color scheme (because silver and gold are so rare of a combo, mirite?) *A* Scythe has nothing to do with Odin. Not to mention the fact that the Scythe has the same exact cross as not only the staff, but of all the new armor sets as well. My guess is that all this new gear, including the white weapons, the staff and the scythe, come from new WotG endgame events. And potentially at least one new (i.e. not Odin or Alex) Avatar.

p.s. This spear does actually come from Odin, notice how it's "color scheme" doesn't match his. But since he actually uses that type of spear, it makes sense for him to drop it. It does not make sense for him to drop a Scythe.

[Malacite]

Alex has always been a holy/divine entity. He's even referred to in the game as "The Light Divinity" and is revered by the people of Aht Urhgan as their God, much like Odin was to the Ephramadian people.

Or did you miss that part? Also look at Odin again; Odin, his weapon & his horse all have at least some black & gold (or a very dark grey at any rate) color scheme going on. Yes, his armor is mostly white with Gold Trimmings but there's a lot of black too. Sometimes I wonder about you...

[Armando]

Yes, his armor is mostly white with Gold Trimmings but there's a lot of black too. Sometimes I wonder about you...

Oh come on.

1) Every plate armor - it doesn't matter the color - is black in between the plates.
2) Alexander isn't even white. And he certainly has no blue in his designs. None of the weapons is stylistically similar to Alexander nor Nyzul's architecture.
3) You've never been in a position to wonder about anyone.

[Ziero]

You do realize that you can have a "Holy Divinity" without referring to crosses right? Many religions around the world worship and follow numerous "Holy Divinities" and yet there are many who are not represented by a cross. Please show me how in any way shape or form that Alexander has any link, relation or even hint at being connected to a cross to represent his "Holy Divinity". Because, and this is something you're seemingly ignoring, the cross is not a holy symbol to Aht Urhgans. If the cross represented Alexander, and the Aht Urhgans worshiped him, how come there are no crosses anywhere in the Empire or on Alexander?

And I love how you totally write off the fact that Odin's armor, including the pieces he drops, are predominantly white. Not black. All while ignoring the facts that A) He never has a Scythe B) The color of the Scythe doesn't matter for Odin since his main weapon (the spear) is red C) the scythe has the same exact cross symbol as not only the White staff, but also the melee armor sets which are clearly not Aht Urhgan designs.

Right now the only arguments you have for Odin and Alexander being related to those weapons is that the cross is kind of a holy symbol to western cultures and the scythe kinda sorta almost has Odins lesser colors. Meanwhile the arguments against you are numerous, varied and pretty much flat out clear. And yet you're questioning me? I'm pretty much convinced you're trolling at this point since it's the only explanation that makes sense.

[Armando]

Please show me how in any way shape or form that Alexander has any link, relation or even hint at being connected to a cross to represent his "Holy Divinity". Because, and this is something you're seemingly ignoring, the cross is not a holy symbol to Aht Urhgans. If the cross represented Alexander, and the Aht Urhgans worshiped him, how come there are no crosses anywhere in the Empire or on Alexander?

Careful there. Alexander is chock full of Christian references. Radiant Sacrament, Divine Spear (hi2u Lance of Longinus), Void of Repentance, Gospel of the Lost and Divine Judgement - in which he says ΩΩΩΩΩΩΩ, in all likelihood a reference to the phrase "I am the Alpha and the Omega." Anyone that's done CoP knows Alexander certainly isn't the Alpha, but he seems to think of himself the Omega (or he just wants to imply the end is near.) Also, Russia had three Czars by the name of Alexander, and that could also give Alexander some Catholic connotations.

They likely don't use a cross anywhere to avoid bringing real world religion into their fictional world and also avoid some controversy, but I'll be damned if Alexander's divinity doesn't have a strong Christian flavor to it.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by Malacite

Really? What gets me is the undue elitist venom that gets spewed on every post if it doesn't adhere to their insane doctrines.

God help you if you ask an honest question and they jump on you for it.

Well, there is that, I just file it under general stupidity.

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Odin might have his own gear set, but what he does not have is his own avatar batter rewards. He may appear as an NM or Einherjar boss, but he does not have his own BC.

Fenrir made his debut in a Rank 10 Windurst BCNM and no avatar battles come to be without some link to Windurst, with the one exception of Bahamut thus far. He is not challenged for the power to summon him, but he does have his own rewards like every other avatar before him.

Now, who was in left in charge of overseeing these little rips in time-space that Alexander and Odin left behind. .Who's going to go insane with power in a forthcoming expansion chapter?.

Doesn't mean ASA is a requirement to challenge the new avatars, because that's clearly not the case for Windurst Rank 10 and Fenrir. Just saying the ASA events might set challenging Odin and Alexander in motion based on SE's past actions of connecting things with Windurst. Shantotto could be the device since SE loves to adhere to their themes. You don't leave little threads open like they did in ToA without eventually addressing them in some fashion.

If there was any kind of gear that would epitomize Alexander, it wouldn't exactly be a weapon, it would be armor. A breastplate would totally be in-theme. It might or might not be related to Alexander, but I can't fault Armando for thinking it could be.

Some of us look for heritage behind gear. You got people on BG that thing the Magus Hat from AMK is from Donald Duck in Kingdom Hearts when we all know that came from the classic FFs. FF III in particular (and for the love of God, I mean the actual FFIII, not FFVI). The heave armor head piece from AMK also had origins in FFIII.

There are loads of references in FFXI to other FF games in both gear and story. I wouldn't put it past SE to eventually let us have a BCNM with Gilgamesh and have "Battle on the Big Bridge" playing in the background. If fact, I'd totally resub if and when that happened just to do it.

[Malacite]

Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten

If there was any kind of gear that would epitomize Alexander, it wouldn't exactly be a weapon, it would be armor. A breastplate would totally be in-theme. It might or might not be related to Alexander, but I can't fault Armando for thinking it could be.

Eh not necessarily. There are plenty of Christian & Catholic references involving the Sword as well (hi2u Sword of Michael)

And Alex, IIRC, does talk about "cleansing the land" so to speak (or at the very least is driven to have it out with Odin and assert his "Divine Superiority")

I don't want to start a huge debate about this but God is one vengeful dude.