FFXIWiki Disscusion Thread - Final Fantasy XI :: Dreams in Vana'diel :: Community

IfritnoItazura · 02-22-2008, 07:05 AM

I had the impression that PiNG wanted the Wiki to integrate as seamlessly with the existing board as possible. In fact, I see that he deliberately redirects the discussion pages to the forums, going as far as automating thread creation for each wiki page.

Why would the Wiki portion need a different banner, if the goal to maintain the atmosphere of "part of the Dreams in Vana'diel" site?

Sevv · 02-22-2008, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by IfritnoItazura

I had the impression that PiNG wanted the Wiki to integrate as seamlessly with the existing board as possible. In fact, I see that he deliberately redirects the discussion pages to the forums, going as far as automating thread creation for each wiki page.

Why would the Wiki portion need a different banner, if the goal to maintain the atmosphere of "part of the Dreams in Vana'diel" site?

We still have a front page and with ping mia we have no banner, so I figured "hey why not show off some of the talent on the site until ping has the time to make a banner". Ping and myself have gone over the entire wiki thing, myself bringing a great many of the ideas and directions to the project itself. There is alot of things that will be changing once ping has the time to use the admin account to create a few new toys.

There will also be a special page made for the old banner once, Ping has created his so that your work will always be apart of the Wiki, thank you to those who are taking the time to make a banner, and I hope I answered your questions IfritnoItazura.

IfritnoItazura · 02-22-2008, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by Sevv

We still have a front page and with ping mia we have no banner, so I figured "hey why not show off some of the talent on the site until ping has the time to make a banner".

[ ... ] I hope I answered your questions IfritnoItazura.

Yes; in other words, you decided it needs a different banner from the rest of the site, for your own reason.

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/derail on

Instead of worrying about some banner, how about solid, detailed info on the policy, goals, and rules regarding the use of the wiki? More information on the integration existing between the forum and wiki would be nice, too, as well as any future looking statements from admins/PiNG regarding that aspect.

It's been weeks, and yet no solid info--I've been checking the wiki daily as of late, but it doesn't have so much as an instructional "How to add a page" of a page in it, much less anything indicating of a plan to go from empty to useful. How long before we get info on what this system is capable of, and what are we allowed to do with it?

It's great you talk to PiNG; now, talk to us. Info, please.

/derail off

Sevv · 02-22-2008, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by IfritnoItazura

Yes; in other words, you decided it needs a different banner from the rest of the site, for your own reason.

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/derail on

Instead of worrying about some banner, how about solid, detailed info on the policy, goals, and rules regarding the use of the wiki? More information on the integration existing between the forum and wiki would be nice, too, as well as any future looking statements from admins/PiNG regarding that aspect.

It's been weeks, and yet no solid info--I've been checking the wiki daily as of late, but it doesn't have so much as an instructional "How to add a page" of a page in it, much less anything indicating of a plan to go from empty to useful. How long before we get info on what this system is capable of, and what are we allowed to do with it?

It's great you talk to PiNG; now, talk to us. Info, please.

/derail off

You want detail, Ping doesn't want anyone editing the wiki but the team. Most people don't have permissions according to Ping, he wasn't even sure if the whole team had permisson to edit lol. Ping hasn't finished alot of the permissions in general so there is not much we can do, add in our work we haven't had a huge chunk of time to get everything sorted out. The goals have already been said that all of the stickies are going to made into wikis from the current site and the old site. The team and myself are starting to transfer stickies into pages starting this week, so there will be pages up shortly but please allow us some time to work.

I made a single post about a banner that has no effort used by myself but responding to your posts. You were offered a Wiki Team spot because I knew you would do the work, but you chose to decline it, and I hope that this is not so that you could sit back and take shots at the Team and Myself. Please feel free to voice any questions in a new thread.

Balfree · 02-22-2008, 08:28 AM

Im not gonna defend or stand by anyone's opinion here but please be corteous to eachother. Dont turn this into another meaningless fight where it ends in a locked topic.

Sevv · 02-22-2008, 08:35 AM

Since Ping has yet to fix permissions on the Wiki Discussion forum, this thread is going to be used as an informational and discussion thread.

January 20th 2008
* The Wiki is added to the site

January 30th 2008
* The Wiki team is finalized

February 17th 2008
* Most of the permissions are finalized

February 22nd 2008
* Wiki Team is given assignments to start the transfer of stickies to Wiki formatting

Basically we are still waiting on Ping to fix a good deal of problems to get the Wiki in full swing.

Edit: This Thread will be moved when pings fixes permissions.

IfritnoItazura · 02-22-2008, 08:57 AM

How do I keep my posts out of wiki?

Don't care about random discussions, but since I wouldn't have the editing rights to the info posts I've spend days and weeks to organize if wiki-fied, I'd rather not see any of them in the wiki.

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Thanks for the info on the status of wiki.

Originally Posted by Sevv

You were offered a Wiki Team spot because I knew you would do the work, but you chose to decline it, and I hope that this is not so that you could sit back and take shots at the Team and Myself.

My complain is lack of info from the team; that has been remedied.

Don't want to go into why I declined, but since you brought it to public, I'll just say I had my reasons. Still do. (Oh, "take shots" isn't one of them, whether you believe it or not--I'm reflexively critical, that's all.)

Sevv · 02-22-2008, 09:00 AM

Well the editing rights are off until everything is wikified but if you don't want any of your guides that you posted wiki'd then I'll make a post about in the Wiki Lounge. If you would like to send me a list of every sticky you have authored I will put it into the Forum for a hands off approach.

Feba · 02-22-2008, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by IfritnoItazura

Don't want to go into why I declined, but since you brought it to public, I'll just say I had my reasons.

Wow. You really turned that sentence around 360 degrees.

IfritnoItazura · 02-22-2008, 09:41 AM

Still badly phrased? lol. Oh well. Can't win them all.

Sevv · 04-13-2008, 06:06 AM

Updated News:

Ping still has yet to fix permissions, and we have been greatly limited to what we can post/fix/edit/etc. Some of the threads have been started to be worked on other haven't.

New Wiki Team Leader:

If anyone would like to apply for this position please PM Ping, with what you can bring to the table, the current team is up to you who you chose to keep and release the only ones who have actively put in work are, Lilithangel and BBQ, not calling the others out they have probably been busy. All the frame work and 90% of permission problems have been outlined and left in a thread to ping you will have access to.

Reasons for leaving:

Basically as some know there was issues with Admins/Mods harassing some of our more dedicated and older posters, this is something that I will not stand for. I have plenty of other things I can do with my time then trying to fix what I can for the site while Admins/Mods decide to harass our users. My over all presence will be less on the site from now on (some of you can celebrate now), atleast until there is a formal apology issued to the user. To the majority of the moderators, keep up the good work.

Fight the power, free the Taru

If needed you can reach me via Limitbreakradio forums.

for those of you who don't know this is the reason murphie left the site.

DakAttack · 04-13-2008, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by Sevv

for those of you who don't know this is the reason murphie left the site.

This = what exactly?

Kailea · 04-13-2008, 07:35 AM

people need to stop with all the wikis.... and just use the one thats been there forever....

Sevv · 04-13-2008, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Kailea

people need to stop with all the wikis.... and just use the one thats been there forever....

Actually the wiki here was an organized way to keep the information from our sticky threads clean and easy to look up outside the messy threads. Wiki is commonly used.

IfritnoItazura · 04-13-2008, 05:09 PM

Actually, the wiki here apparently started as PiNG's attempt to better the site, though I've no idea what his initial ideas were exactly.

Shortly after, it somehow turned into an ill conceived, half-baked idea of doing "yet another database" wiki--after that idea bounced around in public, people pointed how unnecessary it was, so the idea morphed into some sort unwieldy amalgamation of "wiki for each sub-forum", "wiki-fy stickies", and other miscellaneous little ideas.

All that, without access rights for people--basically, taking the tools of wiki and ignore its ideal of "let everyone work on it to improve its quality."

The first generation of wiki attempt was doomed from the start by its ignorance of what makes wikis work and its shifting, ill defined goals. Let's hope the next generation of wiki leaders are a bit less blind.